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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => England => Essex => Topic started by: Jean M on Monday 06 June 05 16:56 BST (UK)
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Hello searchers
I am following a trail for Richard and Ann LADELL, her maiden name was CAMPLING Both born in Norwich, Norfolkca. 1830
Living in Essex by 1900.
West Ham and Leyton locations.
Proprietors of a tobaccanists
Is anyone working on these family names? I would be pleased to exchange history details.
Jean M
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Dear JeanM
Richard Stephen LADELL , son of Robert Stephen LADELL and Susannah TILLETT Married Nov 12th 1826 Norwich, St Peter Mountergate.
Robert died Islington 1857
The 1881 Census shows "Susan"LADELL in the Balham Workhouse , she died in that same year-according to BMD.
I am not sure who is the father of Robert LADELL.
Are you a relative of this branch of the LADELL family?. My wife is a LADELL hence my interest.
I have a family tree for Richard S LADELL- not sure who compiled it.
Andys
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Dear Andys
Your reply is much appreciated. I have the dates of Kate Anne LADELL* 1855-1945 = Frederick HADLOW 1851-1923 (Frederick Hadlow was my gt grandfather, maternal line)
Kate Anne Ladell's father Richard S. LADELL b. Norwich ca. 1830.
I would like to find a link to Kate's siblings and so far I have these, all baptised in Norwich.
Henry Robert b. 1853
Kate Anne 1855*
Minnie Sophia 1857
Frederick Samuel 1860
Maud Victoria ?
Arthur 1863
Emma M 1865
Alice Maud 1873
Would be pleased to forward a ged.file to you and receive anything further that you know of LADELL family.
Jean M
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Greetings
You may be interested in the following detail. A Richard Ladell and a Sarah Ladell were both witnesses to the marriage of my ancestor William Cross on 7 January 1773 in Sprowston & Beeston, Norfolk.
Interestingly, William,s great grandchild, Rosa, married Arthur Campling about 1870.
Hope this adds to your knowledge base.
RitaM
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Greetings RitaM
Your info received on LADELL's is much appreciated. A bigger picture beginning to appear with recent help. The trail for the CAMPLING link is also emerging - so your message doubly welcome. Will keep in touch.
best wishes
Jean M
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Hello again Jean
Further to our recent messages, I have just been looking a little closer for the Ladell link to my family. I find that my ancestor, Ann Davy, had a sister Sarah who married a Richard Ladell of Rackheath on 12 October 1772.
Regards
RitaM
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Hello RitaM
Good to hear from you. That is very interesting news. I am just deciphering a Will for Richard Ladell of Postwick, Norfolk. written 1816 and administered in 1823. Jane, his widow is the beneficiary and a mention of a freehold property in Bofield, Nr Norwich.
Do you know anything of Richard and Jane?
best wishes
Jean
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Dear Jean M
I have been researching the Ladell families of Norfolk for some years, so it was with great interest that I found your enquiry.
Acording to my notes, Richard Stephen LADELL married Ann Campling FOULSHAM ON 16 Febuary 1851 at St.Augustine, Norwich.
The 1851 census shows both of them at Church Lane (St Saviour's parish) Norwich.
Richard Ladell. Head. Married. age 21 Warehouseman for shawl manufacturer, born Norwich.
Ann Campling Ladell, Wife, age 20, born Norwich.
Because RichardStephen is not on my direct line (as yet) my information on him is limited however, my next note at the time of the 1881 census shows him at 517 Hackney Rd, Bethnal Green (parish of Christ Church, Hackney) together with Ann C, son Arthur N, and daughters Emma M and Alice M.
I also have a brief outline of his will (he died 28 Dec. 1887 at Banstead Surrey, showing one of the exectors as his eldest son Richard Foulsham Ladell of Norwich.
I can follow the son Arthur Norman's line down to the present day and know personally, Richard Stephen and Ann's great grandson Brian John Ladell who lives about five miles from me.
I do have other information on this family, and would welcome exchange and additional info.
I research LADELL, back from my mother in law Betty Ladell who is the last Ladell of her line which although deeply rooted in Norfolk somehow landed in Colchester around 1870.
Is any of this of use to you?. If so I will be glad to hear from you. M.
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Dear Margaret
Delighted to receive your message this morning and hear of the link to the
LADELL family. The filed messages show some of the progress. There has been several jumps forward. I shall be pleased to forward details and exchange further with you.
Jean M
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Hello,
I have just joined. I hope the following is helpful. I am related to the LADELL family, as follows, and so would like to know more about them:
My Mother's name was ROOT (it was ROOTE in the 19th century).
Her line goes back to THOMAS ROOTE (1804-1857), a Windsor Chairmaker in Shoreditch, and to his Father a WILLIAM ROOTE (dates not certain), at one time a Doorman at the East India Company in Leadenhall Street, City of London, and later a Labourer in Hackney.
One of Thomas Roote's daughters, MARIA ROOTE, married ROBERT LADELL at St.James parish church, Shoreditch, Middx on 12 September 1866. He was then 26, a bachelor, a Furniture Broker. She was 28, spinster, no employ given. The groom's Father was given as ROBERT STEPHEN LADELL.
She died aged 53 on 13 August 1892. They were then living at 10 Marion Square, Bethnal Green.
He died, if I have the right man, on 7 February 1909 at Shoreditch Infirmary, and was given as a Marble Polisher.
The ROOTE's were also marble polishers and stone-masons.
I have copies of the marriage, and death certificates referred to above.
MARIA ROOTE was born c.1837. She was baptised at St.Leonard's, Shoreditch on 2 July 1837. She was one of 14, possibly 15, children. Her Mother was MARY ELIZA SIMMONS (c.1811-1866).
In addition, the book by Pat Kirkham, Rodney Mace and Julia Porter, 'Furnishing The World: The East London Furniture Trade 1830-1980 (London, Journeyman Press, 1987), says that R.Ladell & Son of Hackney Road were specialising as debt collectors to the furniture trade (p.15). This looks likely to be the family with the tobacconists in Hackney Road?
I plan next week to check this in the 'Furniture Gazette' at Colindale.
Any other information on the families would be very much welcome.
Best wishes.
DrJRS
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Hi Jean,
I'm new to this. I posted a reply with LADELL info today - not sure if it goes to all on the list? Best wishes. DrJRS.
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Hi. DrJRS
I was very interested to read your details of Maria Root, the first note I have of her is the 1861 census 8 Bristow St. Shoreditch. The ladell's arrived from Norfolk and were freemen of Norwich.
Do you know of any children born to Robert and Maria?. I have not yet been able to pin-point any to date (but I do have note of three children registered in the Bethnal Green district who's parents I don't yet know).
Kind regards M
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Dear M,
Many thanks for your reply.
For some reason, my notes show that I was not able to find Maria ROOTE on the 1861 census. I must look again.
Alas, I have not found any children yet, but mean to look.
I will be glad to share the certificates I have, if this would help you.
These are:
Maria Ladell (as she then was, of course): death, 13.8.1892 (reported by Robert Ladell, widower, of 10 Marion Sq., Bethnal Green).
I do not have her birth, which preceded the beginning of registration, but I do have a baptism entry.
Robert Ladell: death, 7.2.1909 (reported by S.Tunstall, Sister, of 2 Carmathen Street, Islington).
Harry Robert Ladell: birth, 21.12.1853 (at Coslany in the County and City of Norwich, in Sussex Street, St.Augustine's, Norwich).
Harry Robert Ladell: death, 10.6.1902 (reported by A.C.Ladell, Mother, of 18 Brierly Road, Leytonstone).
Ann Campling Ladell: death, 30.1.1905 (reported by A.H.Pipe, Son in law, of 23 Worsley Road, Came [?] Hall).
And the following, which are either definitely or possibly related, but which I have not been able to connect properly:
Bertie Gordon Ladell: death, 14.7.1890 (reported by A.M.Ladell, Mother, of 50 Wetherell Road, South Hackney). [A brother of Harry Robert Ladell, it seems].
Richard George Ladell:death 21.8.1904 (reported by H.Ladell, Mother, of 2 Brand Street, Islington). Son of George Ladell, a cab driver.
Emma Ladell: death, 8.4.1897 ay Hackney Union Infirmary. Wife of Harry Ladell, Traveller, of 431 Kingsland Road, West Hackney. The wife of Harry Robert Ladell, above?
Edwin Stephen Ladell: death, 16.7.1`889, son of Alcie Maud Ladell, domestic servant (reported by A.M.Ladell, Mother, of 50 Wetherell Road, South Hackney). An illegitimate daughter?
I would be very grateful to hear from you and if you have sorted out the line I'd love to have details.
Best wishes. Dr.JRS.
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Dear Dr.JRS
Many thanks for your latest response you have really set me a task, but here goes.
Robert Stephen LADELL Born C1895. (no idea when he died) Carver & Gilder, admitted Freeman of the City of Norwich 1826.
Married 1826 Susannah TILLETT at St. Peter per Mountgate, Norwich. Susan died 1881 Bethnal Green area. Children:
A-1. Richard Stephen LADELL born C1829 died 1887 Bansted Surrey. admitted Freeman of the City of Norwich 1850. Married 1851 Anne Campling FOULSHAM born 1820 died 1905. See below B
A2. Susannah LADELL born C1827 (assume dead by 1831)
A-3. Susannah LADELL born C1831. No other information at present.
A-4. Robert LADELL born C1840 died 1901 Shoreditch. Married 1866 Shoreditch Maria ROOT (1839 - 1892)
A-5. Sarah LADELL born C1843 Married 1864 George Thomas TURNSTALL
Children of Richard Stephen and Anne Campling LADELL:
B-1. Richard Foulsham LADELL born 1851. Died 1909 Married Mary Louisa (surname unknown ) Admitted Freeman of the City of Norwich 1874 Children see below C
B-2 Harry Robert LADELL born C1853 died 1902 Married 1880 Emma(surname unknown) Only one known child, Albert Stanley LADELL born 1892.
B-3. Kate Ann LADELL Born 1855. No other knowledge at present.
B-4. Samuel Frederick Spring. LADELL born 1859. Died 1876 age 17.
B-5. Arthur Norman LADELL born 1861. Died 1929.Married 1886 Margaretta Sachwell Children see below D
B-6. Emma Martha LADELL born 1864. Married 1899 Albert Henry PIPE.
B-7. Alice M. LADELL born C1870. Married 1899 George James SKINNER. Children see below E
Children of Richard Foulsham and Mary Louisa LADELL:
C-1. Hugh Marston LADELL born 1879
C-2. Ethel Mary LADELL born 1881 Married 1923 Thomas HANNANT
C-3. Richard Geoffery LADELL born 1886 Died 1967 Admitted Freeman of the City of Norwich 1907
C-4. Margaret LADELL born 1889
C-5. Katherine May LADELL born 1893
Children of Arthur Norman and Margaretta LADELL:
D-1. Claude Sachwell LADELL born 1887 died 1964. Married 1925 Gladys HUGHES
D-2. Gladys Annie LADELL born 1889. Married 1913 Frederick B ADAMS
D-3. Arthur Randolph LADELL born 1892 Married 1920 Constance DUGARD. One known child, Michael John LADELL born 1926.
D-4. John Francis LADELL born 1893 Killed in action France 1916Died .
D-5. Norman Robert LADELL born 1901 Married 1940 Constance H SADLER. Children see below F.
Children of Alice M LADELL. Fathers name unknown.
E-1. Edwin Stephen LADELL. Born and died 1889
E-2. Bertie Gordon LADELL. Born and died 1890.
Children of Norman Robert & Constance LADELL:
F-1. Belinda Margaret LADELL born 1941
F-2. Brian John LADELL born 1945
F-3. Jane F LADELL born 1947
F-4. Joanne K LADELL born 1950
Finally in response to your other queries:
23 Worsley Road is CANN HALL Leytonstone.
I have a note of Maud Victoria Ladell born 1881 in the Hackney registration district. The 1901 census shows Maud Ladell age 19 Frame Maker living in the parish, of Cann Hall Essex. However I haven’t yet assigned her to a family as I don’t yet know who her parents were.
I’ve always assumed that Alice was the youngest daughter of Richard Stephen and Anne Campling Ladell, however I accept Anne C would have been 50 and it now seems improbable. Back to the drawing board.
I have notes on George Ladell father of Richard George.
The 1901 census shows him as a widower age 69 Cabman. Also living at address is Harriett Henderson , Housekeeper age 34 ad her two children. George seems to have married his housekeeper Harriett Henderson in 1902. age at death given as 82, making him born C1829, four years out from 1901 census date
And lastly, Jean Bennett very kindly pass on to me a copy of the 1861 census showing Maria Root so I’m unable to pass it to you without her authority, but you could try asking her here through the chat line.
Good luck M
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Dear Margaret,
You are a fifty five gold star top super angel!!!! MANY thanks for all the time and trouble, and all the information, which is fascinating. I am so VERY grateful. I'll explore the 1861 link, too.
I have also discovered another Roote relative today, who I'm going to meet tomorrow. He has other other material, and we will share.
I'll keep you in touch on this. I think I did sned my geneaology report on the Roote's? But if not, I'll gladly do this. It has a lot of information. If you'd like copies of any certificates which I have I'll gladly send these.
All warmest wishes & many thanks again. John.
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Hi to Rita M.
re your earlier messages: " You may be interested in the following detail. A Richard Ladell and a Sarah Ladell were both witnesses to the marriage of my ancestor William Cross on 7 January 1773 in Sprowston & Beeston, Norfolk.
Interestingly, William,s great grandchild, Rosa, married Arthur Campling about 1870. Hope this adds to your knowledge base. RitaM
Further to our recent messages, I have just been looking a little closer for the Ladell link to my family. I find that my ancestor, Ann Davy, had a sister Sarah who married a Richard Ladell of Rackheath on 12 October 1772. Regards RitaM
My records show that the marriage witnesses are certainly Richard Ladell and his bride Sarah Davy who were married at Rackheath in 1772
Sarah was buried at Salhouse 1795, Richard buried at Salhouse 1802. They had 8 known children.
Could I ask if you know of another Sarah Davy who married Edward Ladell at Rackheath in 1804 ?. I assume this entry relates to her.
Rackheath - 5 July 1803 Sarah Davy daughter of John and Ann (late Porter spinster) age 19 was baptised.
Regards M
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Dear M and Dr.JRS
I have been absent from the desk on a brief holiday and just read through your latest postings. Good news and delighted to hear from you and see so many new LADELL's to work through. I shall be back to discuss when I have opened the family file.
best wishes
Jean M
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Jean,
Good to be in topuch with you and others!
Just half an hour ago a relative [not a Laell] suggestedo me that the Laells married the Kell family (1881 census). I have not yet tired to check this. Best wishes. John.
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Hi.
Hope this helps. Regards M
Caroline Elizabeth Cross married Richard Henry Ladell 1873
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Hello,
It is amazing what you have discovered! I am very grateful to be shown this. If therer is anything I find I will post it immediately. All good wishes. Dr.JRS.
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Dear Dr JRS
Its not really amazing, just a collection of facts recorded over 10 years or so. I've almost a thousand people on my LADELL families database and still adding to it. I particularly interested to tracing/joining the families up prior to 1750 and its not proving easy. Happy hunting M.
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Hello Margaret
I have been catching up with the recent exchanges. I shall be pleased to forward the 1861 census of Bristow Road to Dr John RS.
Do you need a further copy?
Jean
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No thanks Jean, I still have the information your kindly sent before.
Please be aware that I have today been "told off" about posting a copy of the 1881 transcription (that I cut and pasted from my LSD disks.
So it may be best to type it out from your copy. Sorry to be have to be such a spoil sport. Happy hunting. Maggie.
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Dear M
Thank you for your message. It is so very easy to be carried away with the enthusiasm. The reminder to be careful when forwarding data is much appreciated.
Jean M
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Hello Searchers
I am looking for descendants of William John Simpson LADELL (born c 1854/5 in Walsinghan co Norfolk, son of Richard Ladell and Elizabeth Agatha (Simpson)). He was a Surgeon and was living in Islington in 1901. He married Charlotte Bertha Catherine Jacoby in 1877 and their known children were
Ernest William Julius Ladell 1878
Sarah Bertha Violet c 1880
Robert George McDonald 1881
Doris Elizabeth M 1884
William R S 1887
Francis Herbert H 1888.
William senior died 1915 aged 60. My connection is through Charlotte Bertha.
Thanks for help.
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Dear cjfc
I have been in contact with decendants of your branch of the Ladells.
If you could email me on stewartandy2@aol.com I will give you the details.
All the best Andys
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Hi,
I wonder, are you still actively engaged in researching the LADELL family in Norfolk? By chance, I came across a Sarah LADELL, mentioned in the Will of Charles LAYTON, squire of Cantley & Reedham, who died in 1823. He was born about 1775 at Clippesby and was never married. But there appears to have been some sort of relationship between him and Sarah which broke down, as private letters were mentioned and he wished to nullify an agreement to settle £60 per year on her!
I am still wrestling with the text's difficult handwriting, but eventually I may be able to quote more precisely. Was this Sarah the daughter of Robert & Sarah LADELL, baptized 27 May 1781 at Gimingham? Any information on her would be much appreciated. It all smacks of Jane Austen...
Ian
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Hi. Yes I am still very interested in the Ladell's. Jane Austin, yes very.
I think you are probably correct in Sarah Ladell bapt. 1781 Gimingham.
Her widowed mother Sarah died in 1823 and I have a copy of her 6 page will. Mother was very concerned that the £1000 that was due to her from her fathers will would be passed on to to her daughters Sarah bapt 1781 and Charlotte bapt. 1789 Charlotte had married William Green at St James Paddington in 1819 but Sarah remained unmarried at the time of her mothers death.
Sarah later married George Giles a fish merchant of Yarmouth and Norfolk RO has a marriage settlement document relating to them.
Sarah would have been 52 at the time of her marriage (of convenience) but lives alone according to the 1841 & 1851 census. I have not managed to find her in the 1861 but there is a death registered at Yarmouth for a Sarah Giles in 1862. I have not yet found her will.
George Giles is listed in the 1841 at a different address to his wife and again in 1851 when he has a live in housekeeper.
If you find out any more I'd be most interested.
Kind regards Maggie.
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Maggie, Here is my transcript of Charles Layton's will, drawn up 17 June 1822 (proved at London 22 Oct 1823):
"... And whereas I sometime since voluntarily entered into Bond or Obligation to Sarah Ladell for securing to her an annuity or yearly sum of Sixty Pounds for her life and have now reason to believe that she was undeserving of my bounty and that the payment of the said Annuity cannot be legally enforced It is therefore my wish and I direct my Executors hereinafter named to resist the payment of the said Annuity in case the same shall be demanded and to defend any action or other proceedings which may be brought or instituted for the recovery thereof. And in case any such action or other proceeding shall be brought or instituted as aforesaid then I direct my Executors to open peruse and use as they shall think fit or be advised certain letters or other papers relating to the said Sarah Ladell which will be found in my Iron Chest and upon the cover containing which there is an Endorsement stating that the same are referred to in my Will but in case no such action shall be brought as aforesaid then it is my express desire that the said letters be not opened..."
Make of it what you will, but I fear that it does not seem particularly favourable to the lady's character. As Charles was born about 1775 and Sarah about 1781(?), they both appear to have missed out in the marriage stakes - so it could hardly have been a youthful. passionate affair. It might have come about with the object of producing a direct heir for the Layton fortune (which ended up as a Trust for a nephew). Maybe Sarah had proved too old to bear children?
Hope this speculative 'gossip' may be of interest.
Ian
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Hi Maggie,
I've been catching up on these Ladell threads, it's been really interesting.
My grandmother was Maud Victoria Thomson - Nee Ladell.
Her father is Harry (Henry) Robert Ladell, mother: Emma Ladell – Nee: Bright
MV was - as I said - my grandmother ( Married – I believe to William Dalrymple Thomson, though I’ve never been able to verify it, though she has a confirmed marriage to William Henry Sheerman in 1902) and lived with my family in Newcastle under Lyme until around 1965 when she moved into a warden attended council bungalow nearby. I still live in Newcastle under Lyme.
The attached photograph shows her on the step of her bungalow with her eldest daughter – Phyllis ( My aunt ) and my cousin Robin Circa 1966/7.
I have found the information quite useful, even though I had already found most of it, it’s good to see and hear about others researching the family and I’d be happy to pass on what information I have if anyone needs it.
Best regards.
Barry Cornes
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To Jean M
I see you have Coppin in your list of names of interest - are they from West Ham area? My husand's mum was a Coppin.
Regards
Diana
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Hello searchers
I am following a trail for Richard and Ann LADELL, her maiden name was CAMPLING Both born in Norwich, Norfolkca. 1830
Living in Essex by 1900.
West Ham and Leyton locations.
Proprietors of a tobaccanists
Is anyone working on these family names? I would be pleased to exchange history details.
Jean M
Hi
A lady I used to work with was researching the Ladells She had hundreds on the tree in fact they have meetings in Norfolk and Canada from time to time Several of them lived in Colchester and were Coachbuilders including a Richard and a Christmas Ladell who had a quite large house on Easthill Colchester
One of them was a very famous artist as you probably know so yes try the colchester records as they were definately related to the norwich people
Regards
Ronnie
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Hi - I picked up your message today.
I don't think I can help you directly but you may be interested in the following:
Richard Ladell and Elizabeth Agatha Simpson were married 30th Sept 1841 at St. Peter Mancroft Church in Norwich. A gravestone in Bradfield Congregational churchyard identifies Caroline Harriett [relict] of the late Groom Lane died 1869 and Richard ladell, her eldest son, died 21st April 1883 aged 68 years. Elizabeth Agatha was the youngest daughter of Capt John Simpson.
I cannot find a link between Elizabeth Agatha Simpson or Captain John Simpson, both of North Walsham in Norfolk, and the Simpsons which are my interest (Benjamin 1760, Benjamin Zmas 1813, Joseph 1815). The interesting aspect is that Groom Lane was a very close personal friend of Benjamin 1760 and Joseph 1815)
If you can throw any light on this I would be very grateful. PS I live in Sheringham Norfolk
Regards
Tony Randall
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Baptism. 14 Dec.1819.St Nicholas North Walsham. Elizabeth Agatha dau of John Simpson Capt. in Royal Marines and his wife Harriot. DOB 13 Dec 1819.
Does this help at all.
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I wonder if anybody could assist me. I am researching Early Essex Photographers and noticed that ‘margaretedah’ mentions
A-1. Richard Stephen LADELL (Married 1851 Anne Campling FOULSHAM)
The PhotoLondon website has a Richard Stephen Ladell -
Biography: Ladell, Richard Stephen. Born in 1830. Studio: 335 City Road, Finsbury 1876 - 1877. Successors to G J Atkins; succeeded by S W Saunders. Bill of sale September 25 1876 £130, at 83 Newington Causeway, Southwark. Died in Epsom 1888.
Is this the same person and did he have any connections with photography? Also a daughter Minnie Sophia Ladell (born 1857) is not mentioned as one of his children?.
Regarding their daughter
B-3. Kate Ann Ladell Born 1855. No other knowledge at present.
I believe that she and Frederick Hadlow (born 1851 in Reigate, Surrey – died 1923 in St Albans) were together.
I cannot find any details of marriage, but they seem to be a couple and had 4 children.
It would seem that Frederick Hadlow who was a Photographer in Reigate (c. 1871) was previously married to Ada Lancaster (born 27 Dec 1855 in Oxford Street, Southampton). He is shown as marrying her on 29 May 1874 (The Register Office, Stockton, Co Durham). He is resident at Denmark Street, Linthorpe as Studio Photographer. Ada’s father ran a Photographic business in Grosvenor Street, Chester. They may have had a child, as an Ada Lily Hadlow is shown later as being born on 29 March 1875 in Durham, Yorkshire.
The next time I can find him is 1881 in Mile End, Stepney as a Photographer Operator, with his wife Kate (born 17 Dec 1854 in Norwich, Norfolk – died 1945?). He goes on to run a photographic studio in Barking Road, Plaistow. Between 1877 and 1881, they have 4 children - Kate, Rose, Daisy and George Frederick. By 1891 he has given up photography and is now a General Labourer and later a Saw Mill Labourer in West Ham. I think he may have died in St. Albans in 1923, but do not know what happen to Kate after 1911.
I would appreciate it if anyone can confirm Frederick Hadlow marriage to Kate Ladell, also her father’s connection to running a photographic studio. I can supply more detailed notes to other researchers if this would assist them.
Regards Bobfilm :)
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Hi. These are the notes from my database. He seems to have had a very checkered employment, not able to stick at anything for to long. However, I have not been able to find any mariage between Kate Ann Ladell and Frederick Hadlow.
Minnie Sophia Ladell born 1857 Shoreditch R.Dist. married James Leach in 1876 in the Bethnal Green R.Dist. They had children. Florence B 1877, James H 1879, Elizabeth 1883, Arthur 1886, Kate 1888 and John 1890.
Hope this helps.
Richard Stephen LADELL.
Bapt. 7 June 1829 St Peter Parmentergate Norwich. Richard son of Robert & Susan Ladell Carpenter
1841 census: Rose Lane Norwich. age 12 LADELL
1851 census: Norwich. age 21 Warehouse man.to shawl manufacturer.
1861 census: 8 Bristow Rd. Shoreditch Middx. Clerk in shawl manufacture LIVING AS SEPERATE FAMILY BUT AT SAME ADDRESS as parents Robert Stephen & Susannah Ladell and their children
1881 census: 517 Hackney Rd.Bethnal Green Middx. age 52 Tobacconist LA-DELL
present at the marriage of Arthur Norman Ladell in1886
Will states occupation as: Tobacconistm rent & debt collector & Jewller.
Marriage info. taken from Free BMD
Admitted FREEMAN OF NORWICH Dec1850, Manufacturer.
Biography - Ladell, Richard Stephen - Born in 1830. Died 1888. STUDIO: 335 City Road, Finsbury 1876 - 1877. Successors to G J Atkins; succeeded by S W Saunders.Bill of sale September 25 1876 £130, at 83 Newington Causeway, Southwark.Died in Epsom 1888.OccupationsPhotographer [List all] <http://82.109.94.204/photolondon/pages/search.asp?search=listing&oid=1&occ=Photographer> 1876
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Thanks for speedy reply
Regards
Bobfilm :)
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Matrgaretedah
https://www.facebook.com/groups/204040569927596/?fref=nf
Someone is looking for family of John F Ladell they have his medals follow the link to the genealogy group page & you'll find the post regarding the medals
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Apparently family has been found :/ sheesh I'm too late it seems :)
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AussieGenealogy
Margaretedah
Many thanks for the news of the medals awarded
to John Francis LADELL 1893-1916
son of Arthur Norman and Margaretta LADELL
and this forwarded link
https://www.facebook.com/groups/204040569927596/?fref=nf
With help there should be a little more to add to the history
Regards
Jean M
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Good afternoon searchers.
Following some long trails I can add to the LADELL (CAMPLING) Family, West Ham
together with an updated biography of Frederick HADLOW 1851 - 1923 born Reigate.
Best regards
Jean M
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I wonder if anybody could assist me. I am researching Early Essex Photographers and noticed that ‘margaretedah’ mentions
A-1. Richard Stephen LADELL (Married 1851 Anne Campling FOULSHAM)
The PhotoLondon website has a Richard Stephen Ladell -
Biography: Ladell, Richard Stephen. Born in 1830. Studio: 335 City Road, Finsbury 1876 - 1877. Successors to G J Atkins; succeeded by S W Saunders. Bill of sale September 25 1876 £130, at 83 Newington Causeway, Southwark. Died in Epsom 1888.
Is this the same person and did he have any connections with photography? Also a daughter Minnie Sophia Ladell (born 1857) is not mentioned as one of his children?.
Regarding their daughter
B-3. Kate Ann Ladell Born 1855. No other knowledge at present.
I believe that she and Frederick Hadlow (born 1851 in Reigate, Surrey – died 1923 in St Albans) were together.
I cannot find any details of marriage, but they seem to be a couple and had 4 children.
It would seem that Frederick Hadlow who was a Photographer in Reigate (c. 1871) was previously married to Ada Lancaster (born 27 Dec 1855 in Oxford Street, Southampton). He is shown as marrying her on 29 May 1874 (The Register Office, Stockton, Co Durham). He is resident at Denmark Street, Linthorpe as Studio Photographer. Ada’s father ran a Photographic business in Grosvenor Street, Chester. They may have had a child, as an Ada Lily Hadlow is shown later as being born on 29 March 1875 in Durham, Yorkshire.
The next time I can find him is 1881 in Mile End, Stepney as a Photographer Operator, with his wife Kate (born 17 Dec 1854 in Norwich, Norfolk – died 1945?). He goes on to run a photographic studio in Barking Road, Plaistow. Between 1877 and 1881, they have 4 children - Kate, Rose, Daisy and George Frederick. By 1891 he has given up photography and is now a General Labourer and later a Saw Mill Labourer in West Ham. I think he may have died in St. Albans in 1923, but do not know what happen to Kate after 1911.
I would appreciate it if anyone can confirm Frederick Hadlow marriage to Kate Ladell, also her father’s connection to running a photographic studio. I can supply more detailed notes to other researchers if this would assist them.
Regards Bobfilm :)
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Hi JeanM
Thanks for message. Would appreciate any update you can share.
Regards
Bob
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For bobfilm,
Hello Bob.
Pleased to hear from you. And if I may, do your ancestors or the locations
have a significant link to my families??? Do please say?
Briefly, My maternal Great Grandparents
Frederick HADLOW 4 April 1851 - 22 August 1923 b. Reigate. Died St Georges Cottages, Harpenden.
Studio Photographer
and often away from home, particularly the popular seaside holiday locations.
His Parents George and Sarah HADLOW, Boughton under Blean, Kent later Reigate.
Marriage 29 May 1874 at Stockton Register Office = Ada LANCASTER b. Southampton
27 December 1855 - 24 February 1917 Keighley, West Yorkshire
Her father Edward LANCASTER 1823-1883 Artist/Studio photographer mainly
Grosvenor Street, Chester and Birkenhead, Liverpool. But also itinerant in Oxford, London
Over a few years I have worked together with with Marjorie and Emrys Williams, they had
published a two-part history of the LANCASTER's in Chester. They both became much involved
in the meetings and archives connected with Historical Section, Royal Photographic Society, London.
The LANCVASTER family of eight had been 'hands on' in the earliest steps into the art of portrait photography. The significant descendants were at the forefront when they had emigrated first to Sydney, NSW and later to Perth, Western Australia
The legitimate daughters....(1) Ada Lily 29 March 1875 Co. Durham (my grandmother)
and (2) Kate (Kitty) 23 October 1876.172 Great Titchfield Street, Soho, London W
Family breakup
At first anor no clear reason. by 1876/1877. Fred and Ada had separated.
Looking deeper I must presume with the introduction of Kate Anne LADELL
made the deep rift.
At this point Ada (LANCASTER) HADLOW chose to abandon her children.
they always stayed with Fredk and Kate. In a small gift book an entry
has Grandmama LADELL 1st March (Kate's mother). The young one would have
accepted Kate as their mother..
Kate Anne 17 December 1854 b. Norwich- 28 October 1945, 19 Batford Road, Harpenden.
Kate's Father Richard Stephen Ladell ...... resident in Hackney, Studio 335 City Road.
fairly closely possibly a link through photography and social contact.
Step Family: the subsequent Census records Kate Anne HADLOW
Although Marriage of Kate = Frederick, not found so far.
The Census 1939 they did claim to have been married
Rose HADLOW b, Eagle Street, City Road, Hoxton - 13 September 1877 - December 1943
Daisy HADLOW 27 July 1879 - 1968 Putney,
George Frederick HADLOW 1881 Mile End Old Town - 1966
As you had noted there were further studios in and around Plaistow, Custom House,
West Ham and Barking
This is a long saga which I hope does not make your head spin?
There are one or two examples of photographs in the cabinet format and the popular
carte de visite.
until next with news rom you
regards
Jean M