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Ireland (Historical Counties) => Ireland => Derry (Londonderry) => Topic started by: killin09 on Tuesday 12 March 13 06:33 GMT (UK)
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I am researching my ancestors named Lurting who in the 1700's lived in Tamlaghtard /Magilligan Co.Derry.and were quite a prominent family at this time. I have copies of the wills of John Lurting dated 1733 and his son Henry Lurting's will dated 1786. I believe they were not a very big clan. In the 1800's they were in Newtown, Limavady and were called Lurton. The family seemed to have moved to Coleraine, or that district, as in 1868 Wm. Lurton my G.Grandfather married a Nancy Gibson there.( I believe his brother Henry, also married a Hessey Campbell in Coleraine in 1857.) I notice on Wm's. marriage certificate that his father, James Lurton was a solider, so maybe the family moved around Derry? --- I also found a record of a James Lurton born Magilligan 1782 who was also a solider and I wondered if he might be Wm. Lurton's Grandfather?
I would appreciate hearing from anyone who has come across these surnames in their reseach, or anyone who can give me any advice or help.
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Hi,
On 2 Feb 1759 John Lurting, son of Henry Lurting and his wife Rebecca, was baptized in Magilligan Church of Ireland. In the 1740 Survey of Protestant Householders there was a Mrs Lurting living in the townland of Carnowry.
I think that I have further information in my notes which I will dig out later.
Regards
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Thank you so much Kingskerwell for your prompt reply and the information of John's birth in 1759. I would be most grateful for any further information you may have in your notes.
I believe the Mrs Lurting living in the Townland of Carnowry is Catherine Lurting widow of John whose testament is dated 08/01/1733 and mother of Henry and Catherine.
I did find a burial in April 1749 for a Sarah Lurting wife of Henry and believe she could have been his wife before he married Rebecca.
Thank you again, your help is much appreciated.
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I'll also have a look in my Coleraine files but in the meantime a few bits from www.familysearch.org:
William Lurton (c1791-1866 Limavady district) https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/FRPV-82Q
Anne Lurton (c1820-1877 Limavady district) https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/FR18-83B
Henry Lurton, son of James, m.1857 Coleraine district to Hessy Campbell
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/FGC6https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/FR18-83B-L67
William Lurton, son of James, m.1868 Coleraine district to Nancy Gibson
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/FGZP-NLC
James Lurton (born c1782 'Derry') Chelsea Pensioners' Service record
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/FGZP-NLC
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Did your family leave the area by 1901? There's only one Lurton, a William Lurton, in 1901 and 1911 census-
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Londonderry/Benone/Doagh_s_Lower/1523435/
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Londonderry/Benone/Doaghs_Lower/594399/
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A Henry Lurton mentioned here- bit confusing as is says "Transcription of 1761 Militia List continues as follows:" and then "A Regiment of Foot arrayed in 1756"
http://www.torrens.org.uk/ListArchives/4qd-bannvalley/2002-May.txt
This may refer to the same source-
http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/read/ADAIR/2005-02/1107653017
Elizabeth Lurting of Tamlaghtard, daughter of Lt.John, married 1808 William Wilson:
http://thepeerage.com/p51658.htm
Maria Lurting married 1828 James Reynolds:
http://familytreemaker.genealogy.com/users/r/e/i/Carol-A-Reigard-OH/PDFGENE14.pdf
http://genforum.genealogy.com/reynolds/messages/11985.html
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Hi,
Two more baptisms for Children of Henry Lurting and his wife Rebecca.
24 Sept 1760 - William
20 Nov 1762 - Catharine
Regards
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Thank you for all the information.
I replied straight away to your question of "Did the family move away from Ireland", But unfortunately I do not see my reply posted and I fear you may not have received it?
The family appear on the 1881 census living in Johnstone Scotland. They have though changed their surname to Norton. Only Thomas Norton b. 1875 Ireland, my husbands grandfather, is at home with his parents. Their eldest son is on a later census as Robert Lurton Norton. I have never been able to find a birth record for Thomas.
It appears that there was a big exedous from Ireland as also in Johnstone are Nancy ( nee Gibson) parents Thomas Gibson and Dorethea Kant Nancy's brother Samuel Gibson and his wife.
It's looking very much as if the Lurtings/Lurtons were military people as Wm Lurton has on his marriage cert' of 1868 that his father James Lurton was a solider and if, as I am beginning to believe, the James Lurton b. Magilligan 1782 was his grandfather, he was a Chelsea pensioner. WO97.
I did write to Bobby Forrest after hearing he had written a book on Scots/Irish origins and he informed me that the Lurtings/Lurtons were a small clan. He also told me that the C of I Tamlaghard (Derry diocese) records are on Microfishe in PRONI BAP 1817-18 1831-9 MAR 1820-6 1832-4 Burials 1824-9 1832-4 1837-44 1844-1961.
Do you know if the Mormon Chruch would have a copy of this Microfishe? If they do, I could send to Salt Lake City for a copy to be sent to the Wellington Genealogy Department , where I could then go and look at it.
Thank you so much for your help
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I did write to Bobby Forrest after hearing he had written a book on Scots/Irish origins and he informed me that the Lurtings/Lurtons were a small clan. He also told me that the C of I Tamlaghard (Derry diocese) records are on Microfishe in PRONI BAP 1817-18 1831-9 MAR 1820-6 1832-4 Burials 1824-9 1832-4 1837-44 1844-1961.
Do you know if the Mormon Chruch would have a copy of this Microfishe? If they do, I could send to Salt Lake City for a copy to be sent to the Wellington Genealogy Department , where I could then go and look at it.
The church records are on microfilm (not microfiche) in PRONI and you can check the online LDS catalgoue for holdings.
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Since starting my research for the Lurtings of Magilligan I have discovered that James Lurton b. 1782 Magilligan my G.G.Grandfather enrolled in the 21st Regiment of Scots Fusiliers on 11/02/1808 in Londonderry. He was wounded in the Left knee on the 08/01/1815 at the battle of New Orleans and was given a medical discharge on the 25/06/1817 in Valenciennes, Northern France, due to the fact that he was unable to march in consequence of this wound.
He returned to Magilligan where he married Agnes Canning and their children James b.1826, Jane b.1826, William b.1829, John b.1831, Ann b.1833 and Henry b.1835 can be seen on the 1841/51 census's living with various relations and neighbours. I can only presume that James and Agnes are dead.
I can not find any trace of their marriage or their deaths, although I have applied to LDS for a copy of Drumachose C of I records from 1804, Microfilm No. SLC496750 to be forwarded to my local library. I had also searched the LDS catalogue for the Tamlaghtard C of I PRONI MIC 1/86 records, as I feel this may hold more Lurting/Lorton names or give me more information. Unfortunately I was unable to find a copy of this record in the LDS catalogue. As I am unable to visit PRONI I wonder if there is any other way I could view this record?
At the moment I know that John Lurting married Catherine Cust and his Testament of 1733 left his estate to his son Henry and daughter Catherine. John died in 1736 and the Mrs Lurting living in the townland of Carnowry on the 1740 Survey of Prodestant Householders is his widow Catherine.
Henry's first wife was Sarah who died in 1749, there does not appear to be any children from this marriage.
Henry's second wife was Rebecca and their children were Lt. John b.1759, his daughter Elizabeth married William Wilson in 1808.
William b.1760 I believe is the Flax grower on the 1796 List
Catherine b.1762, could be the Miss Lurting, who married Alexander King in Magilligan in 1785.
Henry and Rebecca also had a Mary Ann, Martha, Henry, and two daughters named Rebecca who died, one in 1768 and the second in 1770.
I believe that James b.1782, William b.1791 d.1866 in Limavady aged 75. and John b.1809 could be the children of William b.1760.
Not sure where Maria Lurting b.1803, who married James Reynolds in 1828 and John b.1813. her brother fit in but they could be the children of Henry Lurtin of Keenaght on the 1831 census. Maria and John can both be seen living together on the 1841/51 census's. Maria a widow on the 1851 census and John aged 38 still unmarried. I have found a death record for a John Lurton in 1874 but do not know if this is John b.1809 or John above b.1813.
William Lurting b.1817 is, I believe, the son of William b.1791. ---- He married Ann Cust b.1819 in 1848. Their first child Mary Lurting b.1849 married George Leek in 1874. George later became the Nationalist M.P. for Derry.
William and Ann had two more children Catherine Jane b.1851 and William b.1851. This William can be seen on the 1901 and 1911 census's a bachelor living at Lower Doaghs Magilligan.
I did see on the 1831 Census for Dunboe, a James Nurtin 23, Ballyhachet, Glennaharry and a John Nurtin 24, Ballyhachet, Magilligan and wondered if this could be my G.G.Grandfather and his brother John b.1809, especially as on the 1841 census there was only a John, no mention of a James. I presume they were flax growers.
James and Agnes's eldest son James b.1826 married a Rosanna in Newtown, Limavady in 1850. I cannot find any record of their daughter Jane b.1826. Their other children, William, John, Ann and Henry Lorton all married in Ireland but went over to Ayrshire in Scotland in the early 1860's and 1870's. Although the surname was changed to Norton over the years, they all continued to name their children James, John, William and Henry. and it continued so until the mid 1900's.
Although my line from William b.1829 is Episcopalian, maybe through his wife's side, I did notice that his brothers were R.C. As was the William on the 1901,1911 census's. I am therefore a little concerned that the C of I records from Drumachose and also the PRONI MIC 1/86 will not be of any help to me, as I believe they are mostly C of I records. I understand that in the late 1700's and early 1800's it was not unusual for the different denominations to intermarry?
I will be grateful to hear of any help or advice I can get on tying up the loose ends of the Lurtings from around 1780 to 1840. Or if anyone can spot glaring mistakes I have made.
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Killin09,
I just came across this old thread as I am beginning to carry out some research.
I'm also trying to trace the Lurtings: Elizabeth, daughter of Lieut. John Lurting, married my ancestor William Wilson (whose forebears I have so far been unable to trace.) Many thanks for your contribution which will, if correct, take the Lurtings two generations further back than I had been able to find anywhere else.
You mentioned that you had copies of the wills of John & Henry Lurting: I would be fascinated to see these if possible.
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Hi,
I do not know where you live but if you can visit PRONI in Belfast there is a folder, T1021 (1-32), which contains notes of the Lurting family of Magilligan from the year 1625. It was compiled by Lorton Alexander Wilson, a Fellow of the Society of genealogists and a founder member of The Irish genealogical Society. He compiled a folder of one branch of my family and it is packed with information.
Regards
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Thanks for your response. I've seen a bit about L.A. Wilson's work, and have been meaning to go and look at his notes; but I am living in the U.S. for now, so unfortunately it will have to wait.
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Hi,
For some information about Wilson see https://sites.google.com/site/irishberrygenealogy/lorton-alexander-Wilson . You could always contact PRONI and ask for the cost of a xeroxed copy of
T1021 (18). I don't think that it would be too expensive.
Regards
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Hi, my dad was called Thomas Norton he lived in Johnstone, and as far as I know his ancestors were from Northern Ireland his father was William Norton, he was named after his great grandfather Thomas Norton, at one point the name changed from Lurton.