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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => England => Leicestershire => Topic started by: sylcec on Thursday 14 March 13 12:31 GMT (UK)
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I have found listed on Google Books: "History of Breedon-on-the-Hill: Church & Village with views" by F Taylor, pub. 1906, by Bemrose & Sons Ltd of Derby & London. I have not yet been able to find a digitised copy. Would anyone have a copy of this or be able to consult one for me? (I am in Sydney, Aus). Thanks in anticipation.
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I looked around last week when post went up & couldn't trace a copy so left it a week incase anyone else could help.
so - copies not available as far as i can see but have you seen this site:
http://www.rutlandchurches.co.uk/#/breedon-on-the-hill-leicesters/4536538499
there are also other books available it seems. see also:
http://www.benefice.org.uk/breedon_church/the_breedon_story/index.php v. detailed!
Diddy
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Thank you so much for taking the trouble to report these links to me. Indeed as Brian Williams states, there are few people who write about Leicestershire who fail to mention Breedon on the Hill. However, they all write about antiquities, destruction of the priory or the wonderful church.
What I am hoping to find is more a bit of social & occupational history from the 17th to 19th centuries. A recent contact has a letter written in 1846 by my ancestor to his sister (her husband's ancestor) which I have transcribed. In the last sentence he says: "... Houses at Breedon are of very little value - Kinseys house now stands empty besides a many others Breedon has become a very poor place as the Lime trade is about done away with."
Sylvia
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Hi Sylvia, british historical newspapers online has some little snippits ie about a soup kitchen / horticultural society with winners names / liberal meeting about home rule/ Barrow Hill lodge sale /family announcements etc.
do you have any particular names i can check?
also next time in L'boro library i can see what books /pamphlets they have.
Diddy
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Hi
I lived in Breedon for ten years and have some old photos. As I understand it, the Shields family came from Scotland with just a handcart and started the lime kilns. the family is still in the area with David Shields (1 of 4 brothers) owning a large gareden centre in the village, the Shields family started to quarry limestone which has some unique properties, they went on to own most of the property in the village from Breedon hall to small cottages. We bought our cottage from 1 of the brothers.
There was a pub called the Lime Kiln, another called the 3 Horseshoes and one called the Hollybush.
Our house appeared on the enclosure map circa 1750 which is in the church. the church is on the top of the hill above the village. It was said that everytime the villagers tried to build the church at the bottom of the hill, the devil carried the stones to the top.The church is quite famous being of norman origin, there are ancient earthworks around the hill and that witches used to meet up there! it is said that there is nothing between the church and moscow and on a clear day you can see for miles.
Breedon quarry is now owned by Bardon Hill Quarries, there is a large hole with a cliff face some 200 feet high. there have been suicides from the top.
Although the village is in Leicestershire, the post code is Derby DE73. I recently visited the leics record office and some of the surrounding parishes of Worthington and Cole orton are tied in with Breedon if you are searching records.
There are also stories of lay lines that cross in the village, where there have been some nasty road accidents .
There are people in the village who may be able to help you more, but I shouldn't put their names in the public domain.
hope I haven't waffled
Carolmc
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Diddy and Caroline - thank you both for your messages.
1) I do have a subscription to the British Newspaper Archives, and through the auspices of the National Library of Australia and State Library of NSW, I also have on-line access to their e-resources which include subscriptions to many other newspaper and journal digitisations. (Far more than many folk in the UK get - we are very fortunate here!)
2) Family name was LEAWOOD - a friend went to the LRO and photographed some wills, admons and inventories. Edmund, who died 1718 seemed to be quite a well off farmer, inventory valued at almost 380 pounds. This seems to have dwindled by mid century, and the Leawoods are not mentioned as owning land in the 1759 Enclosure Act, though Joseph stands for parliament in 1775. Also have on order from Notts Uni archives decd estate docs for John Leawood, who d. Notts 1783.
3) I believe that all descendents bearing the name are through the natural son of JL who d.1800. Family moved to Castle Donington.
Caroline - your 'waffle' was fine - from such do we find our family histories. As you can see, if you had the energy to read all above, I too can waffle on! I think I need to find and view a copy of the enclosure map. Is this on-line, do you know?
Cheers, Sylvia
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Hi
I lived in Breedon 1984/1994, the enclosure map was in the church then, knowing how the church feels about artifacts, I guess its still there. There is a junior school (St.Bardolphs) in the village, but prior to that there was a Victorian school for boys which was a business making coffins when we left. Behind our house, a little up the hill was another school building, now a private house.
You could try writing to the Parish Council.............
Try Ebay, there are quite a few postcards of Breedon, including the lock-up.
regards Carol in somerset
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Hi. will have a look in the library - if they don't have map/copy there may be something in one of the breedon books.
Diddy
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Leics library catalogue online has:
Leicestershire Enclosure Acts Volume 1;: Arnesby 1794; Baresby & South Croxton 1794; Bruntingthorpe nd; Breedon Tonge & Wilson 1759; Billeswell (Bill) 1786; Barkby (Bill) 1778; Billesdon 1764; Belgrave and Barkby (Thurmaston) 1762; Burton Overy 1765; Croft 1779; Dunton Bassett 1796; Diseworth 1794
book availalbe at Record office. so if i don't find a copy of map you might be able to get them to PC you a copy of map.
Diddy
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Hi thanks again for your interest and assistance. S
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my friend, one of the family historians at L'boro library is going to the leics record office tomorrow armed with details of the enclosure book of maps to hopefully bring back a P/C for me. I will then be able to either send it to you or email it through.
also looked in L'boro catalogue to see what they have and a look in the archive room:
Church mags
Archaeology form leics society
Book about excavations of the hill
Sale catalogues
Maps 19/20 c
School engraving c1750
tombstone index.
from tombstone index there are 7 for leawoods which I have transcribed. if you PM me your email i will send through.
Diddy
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Right not so good from leics record office:
*the book of enclosure acts is very fragile but also does not include the maps but is only writing (although very interesting apparantly!)
* the Record office does however have lots of maps including an enclosure map for the Breedon /Tonge area dated 1761 - suspect this is the one you mean. the BAD news is that its so big its impossible to PC. (I always have a camera with me but don't know whether this would be allowed/possible option)
my friend however was pleased to have helped as he says hes learnt a lot about what the record office has!
so it looks like the only option is to look in the church & see if photos can be taken? might be worth contacting the church - they may have produced some smaller versions for sale for visitors?
Diddy
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dont know whether this will be helpful or not - National archives have some manuscripts relating to the Breedon area:
http://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/A2A/records.aspx?cat=056-de311&cid=-1#-1
Administrative history:
The Greys have been prominent in Leicestershire since the 15th Century, when the manor of Groby came to them through marriage with the Ferrers family. Their seat was at Bradgate Park until 1854, when the new Bradgate House was built near Markfield. Extensive estates were held in Leicestershire, though the Breedon estate was sold in 1873 and the remainder, in the Charnwood area, after the Great War.
Contents:
The collection is made up of three main deposits and two smaller ones. This deposit consists of title deeds and relevant papers from 1415-1894 for the estate, mostly relating not to the Greys themselves, but to tenants and sub-tenants. Among these papers, which as yet are retained in their original bundles, are some probate and parish papers, mostly of Groby Peculiar Court. The series boasts a fine group of maps of the Breedon estate for the pre and post enclosure period (1758-1761) and various other plans and maps for the estate, 1774-1859.
full details given on NA site. maps again available at Leics record office.
Diddy
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Thanks again for your persistence with this.
The papers that you referenced at the National Archives are not there but at the LRO!!
"Reference DE311
Covering dates 1415 - 1894
Held by Leicestershire, Leicester and Rutland Record Office
Extent 804 files [that's a lot of files!]
Source of acquisition SCHEDULE of documents and papers deposited on permanent loan in the County Record Office, Leicester, by Mr. S.M. Woodrow of Messrs. Woodrow and Aysom, Solicitors, Leicester, with the consent of Mrs. Grey.
Creators Grey family, Earls of Stamford and Warrington
Arrangement It should be noted that these maps have specific numbers different to the reference number that must be quoted if they are to be accessed."
This looks far too hard! Even if the 'right' map is there, again it might turn out to be far too large to photograph - most maps tend to be very large.
On balance therefore I think that I have now obtained all that can reasonably be accessed. I do have quite a nice description from White's History Gazetteer and Directory of Leicestershire..... etc for 1846 which I downloaded from Google Books, so will 'call it a day' and get writing on this. Thanks again. Sylvia
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hello :) I hope you don't mind me resurrecting this thread but I was wondering if anyone could help with information on the Leawood family. My ancestor is Joseph Leawood Hollingsworth, born 1792 in Breedon-on-the-Hill.
The problem is that the surnames Leawood and Hollingsworth have become interchangeable for the family! Everything points to his father being William Leawood Hollingsworth. His birth date is 1775 but that means that when he marries Joyce Throne, he's 16 and she's 25! They married on licence. I've got a copy of the parish records but it doesn't have any other notes.
I think that the Hollingsworth connection might be William's mother Catherine Hollingsworth but it doesn't explain where Leawood comes from - I would imagine if he was illegitimate the vicar would have mentioned this, which makes me wonder if I'm going down the wrong lines.
Any help to steer me in the right direction would be much appreciated!! :)
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Hi I can check this week in loughb library. Local prs
Diddy
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Thanks Diddy :)
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What I am hoping to find is more a bit of social & occupational history from the 17th to 19th centuries. A recent contact has a letter written in 1846 by my ancestor to his sister (her husband's ancestor) which I have transcribed. In the last sentence he says: "... Houses at Breedon are of very little value - Kinseys house now stands empty besides a many others Breedon has become a very poor place as the Lime trade is about done away with."
Sylvia
I have just seen this post and and wonder if the location of "Kinseys house" is mentioned in the letter. My wife's maiden name is Kinsey and her family originate from Breedon on the Hill and her father was born in nearby Ashby.
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The marriage licence gives William's age as 18 and Joyce as 21, although it may have meant 21 and upwards.
You have probably seen the will of William Leawood in 1787. He named his son as William Leawood Hollenworth and his brother as Joseph Leawood as the sole executor. Joseph also signed the licence.
David
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been to library this morning.
IGI has williams marriage as William Hollingsworth = Joyce Throne 30/3 1792 Breedon,
Baptism: William Hollingsworth s/o Catherine Hollingsworth (no father given) 15/10/1775 Breedon
Possible Marriage? Catherine Hollingworth = Thomas Fawdrell 22/4/1778 Breedon so maybe Williams father?
Baptism: Joseph Leaward Hollingsworth 28/10/1792 Breedon s/o Richard & Ann but also checked local PR and found entry for Josephs baptism 28/10/1792/ Father unclear - thought originally said william but might have been
expecting that because of your post.
Marriage: Joseph L. Hollingsworth - Elizabeth Loebb? name diff to read. 9/6/1811 Castle Donington. Marriage by licence. Both signed. Witnesses: Mary L. Holligsworth & Thonas ? I have picture of entry.
Also got some pics of IGI entries and Leadward entries in memorial tombstone book. Please send email by PM and I will send to you.
Diddy
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Catherine had another child before she married Thomas Powdrell. Probably Powdrill because the marriage was witness by Henry Powdrill.
After each of the children, there is something else, but I can't quite make it out.
David
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Thank you so much for all of your help. :) So it looks like William might be the red herring then and Joseph's father is Richard, which explains why the ages don't quite match when presuming William and Joyce are the parents!
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I think the father of Joseph in 1792 was a shortened version of William (Wm) - attached, together with the full first name of William's baptism in 1775, which is less clear than the one in 1777.
I suspect that William was the son of William, as mentioned in the will, and Catherine was his mother. Either William was already married or he just didn't marry Catherine. William may have taken care of his son when Catherine married, if not before.
I should have mentioned that the child baptised on 24 Aug 1777 was Ginney, but I can't find anything else about her.
David
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I think Ginney may possibly be Jane Hollingsworth (if the name is transcribed correctly - I don't have the original), who married Samuel Collier in Breedon on 18 Oct 1798. The groom's parish is Melbourne, Derby, where I believe Catherine Hollingsworth and her family are from.
However, I can't make out the writing after the name either!
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I think you are right about Ginney because William Leawood was a witness at her wedding.
Also, Catherine Powdrill's age on burial in 1833 ties in with a baptism in Melbourne in 1862.
You may have the following, but I think Samuel Collier died in 1803 and Jenny Collyer married Thomas Beighton of Ticknall on 4th December in Melbourne.
In 1841, she is Jane, a widow, age 60, in Ticknall with Lewis Beighton 26, James Beighton 23 and Edmund Colyer 13.
In 1851, she is Jenny, a pauper widow in Ticknall, age 70, born in Breedon, with sons, Lewis and James.
Lewis died in 1858 James was still in Ticknall in 1861, but I can't find any more about Jane/Jenney.
David
David