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Hi,
Joseph dexter was born in Fintra sometime aound the 1840s. He married Annie Hall in county clare in 1866, had some children, was a land agent and a JP in clare.
He was named in a list of JPs published in 1893.
His wife was a widow in 1911.
No reference to any dexters in the 1901 census as far as I can see. Maybe they travelled somewhere? I would be very grateful for any clues about where i might search for him.
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I can find no widow Dexter in the 1911 Irish census. Can you please give more details so that we can help you.
1866 marriage- https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/FGD7-DB8
Joseph (1867) https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/FPYH-XB6
Helen Frances Mary (1868) https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/FPDD-QJ9
William (1870) https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/FPYH-JR6
John Reber (1871) https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/FPTK-CJV
son (1874) https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/FP98-LQW (mother Annie Atkinson Hall)
daughter (1875)- Fintra is her birthplace on certificate not her father's- she was born elsewhere in Co. Clare
Gerald Richard (1886)
Added- more details found in your previous topic-
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=637936.0
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She was in England, living with her son William Edgeworth Dexter, his wife and family in Ealing. William was not at home on the 1911 census date, seems to have travelled a bit, but he was still around.
Fintra is listed as "fathers birth place" on the familysearch birth index of the daughter born in 1875....
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Even though the LDS database has a space in their extracted Irish births form for father's birthplace there is no such information given on the actual birth certificate. When a child is born somewhere other than the family residence the birth certificate lists the date and place of birth and also the father's name, occupation and usual residence. Instead, for some reason, the LDS form put the father's residence under father's birthplace which is incorrect.
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Thats a terrific piece of info. Thank you very much. so the last daughter was born in Fintra in donegal then? Or is/was there another Fintra in Ireland?
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There's a Fintra Beg and Fintra More in Ennistimon registration district/Poor Law Union (Kilfarboy civil parish).
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Wonderful, they are much more likely, I wondered why they would have gone to Donegal!!
There's a Fintra Beg and Fintra More in Ennistimon registration district/Poor Law Union (Kilfarboy civil parish).
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Hello,
Annie is a widow in 1901 in Dublin (http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Dublin/Rathmines___Rathgar_East/Charleston_Avenue/1291686/)
regards
heywood
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That is wonderful information. Thanks to your help I now have a much better idea of her family circumstances.
Much appreciated!
Hello,
Annie is a widow in 1901 in Dublin (http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Dublin/Rathmines___Rathgar_East/Charleston_Avenue/1291686/)
regards
heywood
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Could someone please advise - are Irish death records complete? if there seems to be no record of Joseph's death 1893-1900 in Ireland is it more likely that a) he died in another place, or b) might his death in Ireland just not be recorded for some reason?
That is wonderful information. Thanks to your help I now have a much better idea of her family circumstances.
Much appreciated!
Hello,
Annie is a widow in 1901 in Dublin (http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Dublin/Rathmines___Rathgar_East/Charleston_Avenue/1291686/)
regards
heywood
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Could someone please advise - are Irish death records complete? if there seems to be no record of Joseph's death 1893-1900 in Ireland is it more likely that a) he died in another place, or b) might his death in Ireland just not be recorded for some reason?
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civil BMD records are complete and the online index on FamilySearch covers all Ireland up to 1921 - but like any set of records there can be mistakes, omissions or indexing problems.
Shane
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Hello,
Where/ when did Annie die? Do you have an obituary or burial details?
Heywood
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seem to remember Co. Dublin. - maybe Dún Laoghaire - 1930s?
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seem to remember Co. Dublin. - maybe Dún Laoghaire - 1930s?
Yes,Shane I found it. Just wondering if Annie was buried in family grave or if there was a mention of Joseph in an obituary.
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I had assumed that Joseph died in County Clare, he was still listed as a J.P living in Ruan in 1893.... I assumed that after his death Annie then moved between at least two of her children, in Dublin and England.
There was a big dexter family in Co Kerry with some Josephs, but i havent connected him to them yet....
I havent found an obit for Annie,
Is there an online source for dublin burials / cemeteries?
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Is there an online source for dublin burials / cemeteries?
One major Dublin Cemetery has complete online records - Glasnevin, there are quite a few others in the city and county, although very few in the city were still in operation by the 1890s. I would suggest following up on Annie first to see if there's a newspaper death notice for her, and also try to figure out where she's buried. Could be where Joseph is buried also, or he could be mentioned on the headstone ...if there is one... Where there any Dexter children or other family in Ireland when Annie died ?
see : Dublin Graveyards (http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,501983.0.html) (RootsChat Resource Topic)
It looks to me that that Joseph didn't die in Ireland, either that or he possibly abandoned his family (like one of mine did - left wife and children and went to Australia, never to be heard from again..) , or maybe died at sea ?
Have you worked out a timeline for Annie - i.e. dates, locations etc. I believe you mentioned she moved to England for a time ?
p.s. I had a quick search for a J. Dexter burial in Glasnevin in the late 1890s, early 1900s but no results.
Shane
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Annie Atkinson Hall was born 1846 in melbourne to Joseph Hall (from lurgan) and an untraceable mother in 1846. Annie named after her granny, Josephs mum Anne atkinson.
Joseph returned to ireland 1853 with a new wife ellen bindon, bringing a "miss hall" with him, must have been annie although the age is wrong. They settled in Clooney near Ennis,County Clare. Joseph was among other things a JP.
Annie married Joseph Dexter in county clare in 1866. Joseph was a land agent and a JP!
1869- 1893 they were registered in various directories in Ruan, Miltown Malbay, Carrigpatrick.
Had at least six children, maybe as many as nine.
1901 Annie is a widow living in Charleston Ave, Rathmines and Rathgar with Brendan MacCarthy her son in law, her daugher Eleanor and a younger daughter Hilda. Brendan was catholic, the others were baptist, C of E and 'protestant episcopal'.
1911 living in Ealing with son William Edgeworth Dexter and daughter in law And their four children
1929 returned on a boat from sth america with Dublin Son in law Brendan and daughter Eleanor
1930 and 31 registered with William Edgeworth in Windmill road Harrow in England
1932 died in Dublin with Brendan and Eleanor.
You can see why I get confused!!
I will see if I can find an obit or a will for her, no luck so far!
I appreciate your interest very much. Thank you.
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Annie's Will will be in England-
1932 DEXTER Annie Atkinson of 241 Windmill-road Ealing Middlesex died 30 January 1932 at Desmond Sandymount-avenue Dublin Probate London 25 February to Gerald Richard Dexter manager. Effects £829 17s 8d.
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The freebmds website covering England as far as they have gone have death dates for several Joseph Dexter between 1893-1913, allowing for the approx. age , the locations were Barrow , Boston, Kettering,Loughbro, Northampton, Nottingham, Poplar, Rugby, Wandsworth. Could your Dexter be one of them?
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Joseph was a land agent and a JP!
1869- 1893 they were registered in various directories in Ruan, Miltown Malbay, Carrigpatrick.
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I can add a listing to that... he also appears in Thom's 1899 as a magistrate in Co. Clare as follows :
Joseph Dexter, Carrickpatrick, Miltownmalbay.
Trade & Street listings etc can be a little slow to update in directories, but I think it's more likely that lists of officials would probably be at least reasonably up-to-date.
He's not listed as a Co. Clare magistrate in the 1904 listing.
Shane
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This death notice would imply that he was still alive in 1900 and living in Fulham.
Irish Times
Saturday, 30 June 1900
DEXTER – In Dublin, John Reber, second surviving son of Joseph Dexter, JP, late Co. Clare and Mrs Dexter, 8 Bishop’s Terrace, Fulham, SW. “Blessed are the dead who lie with the Lord.” New York papers please copy.
Can't find a death notice for Joseph but still looking.
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not sure I read that as saying anything specific about Joseph - other than the fact that it doesn't say Joseph & Mrs. Dexter of.... and mentions Joseph was previously in Co. Clare - maybe I'm being fussy, but I think it depends on the punctuation!
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If he had died before his son John, they would have said 'the late' Joseph Dexter. I could be wrong, but I would interpret that notice as saying that Joseph and Annie are living in Fulham at the time of John's death.
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I think the working is a bit vague - to me 'late of xxx location' means he used to live there, 'late Mr. YYY of xxxx' means he's deceased. Not sure what they used if he was deceased and formerly lived at xxxx ?
meant to post this death reference earlier... the location (North Co. Dublin), doesn't really fit, the age is wrong - but the timeframe is about right ...
Name: Joseph Dexter
Date of Registration: Jan-Mar 1898
Age: 30 (est. yob 1868)
Registration district: Balrothery
Volume: 2 / Page: 312
It's remotely possible that the age was mis-recorded, or the mis-indexed ... might be worth eliminating if nothing else...
S.
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Annie Dexter is listed as a widow in 1901 Dublin.
Gerald, 14 yrs is a visitor in Fulham in 1901 in the home of John C Cormack.
Gerald marries in 1908 in London
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Might be worth following the New York lead in John's obituary.
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Irish Times
Saturday, 30 June 1900
DEXTER – In Dublin, John Reber, second surviving son of Joseph Dexter, JP, late Co. Clare and Mrs Dexter, 8 Bishop’s Terrace, Fulham, SW. “Blessed are the dead who lie with the Lord.” New York papers please copy.
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just wondering about something - that means the timeline is a little different than we mentioned earlier - Annie is in Dublin in 1901, but based on that article at least she, and possibly Joseph, were in London in 1900 - so :
1869- 1893 they were registered in various directories in Ruan, Miltown Malbay, Carrigpatrick. (Clare)
1900 - Bishop’s Terrace, Fulham,London
1901 Annie is a widow living in Charleston Ave, Rathmines and Rathgar ....(Dublin)
1911 living in Ealing with son William Edgeworth Dexter and daughter in law And their four children
S.
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You're all amazing!! I leave the computer for 12 hours and by the time I return you have added such a lot, my head is spinning!! Thank you very much for your efforts. I will put my thinking cap on this weekend and try to make sense of everything that you have found.
Is there any particular reason that the new york papers copy the death notice?
This death notice would imply that he was still alive in 1900 and living in Fulham.
Irish Times
Saturday, 30 June 1900
DEXTER – In Dublin, John Reber, second surviving son of Joseph Dexter, JP, late Co. Clare and Mrs Dexter, 8 Bishop’s Terrace, Fulham, SW. “Blessed are the dead who lie with the Lord.” New York papers please copy.
Can't find a death notice for Joseph but still looking.
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They did have a son Joseph in 1867, so this could be the same Joseph.
Too many josephs in this family!
I think the working is a bit vague - to me 'late of xxx location' means he used to live there, 'late Mr. YYY of xxxx' means he's deceased. Not sure what they used if he was deceased and formerly lived at xxxx ?
meant to post this death reference earlier... the location (North Co. Dublin), doesn't really fit, the age is wrong - but the timeframe is about right ...
Name: Joseph Dexter
Date of Registration: Jan-Mar 1898
Age: 30 (est. yob 1868)
Registration district: Balrothery
Volume: 2 / Page: 312
It's remotely possible that the age was mis-recorded, or the mis-indexed ... might be worth eliminating if nothing else...
S.
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We can narrow it down to a two year period 1899-1901.
I'm afraid I have no idea about English geography, so the English locations mean nothing.
I appreciate your advice!
The freebmds website covering England as far as they have gone have death dates for several Joseph Dexter between 1893-1913, allowing for the approx. age , the locations were Barrow , Boston, Kettering,Loughbro, Northampton, Nottingham, Poplar, Rugby, Wandsworth. Could your Dexter be one of them?
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I had a look earlier at FreeBMD for deaths between 1890 and 1901 - I think most of the ages at death dont work out ...some are young children, most seem to be too young to be your Joseph
The only older entry is this one...
Quarter/Year : Sep 1899
Name : Joseph Dexter
Age : 78 (c1821)
Registration district : Kettering
Volume : 3b / page : 111
Kettering registration district is in Northamptonshire, and seems to be located north-west of Northampton - could possibly be on the way between London and Hollyhead ...
Shane
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re-read your 1st post in this thread...
....born in Fintra sometime around the 1840s...
so add this death :
Quarter/year : Mar 1895
Name : Joseph Dexter
Age : 54 (c1841)
Registration district : Wandsworth (London)
Volume : 1d / page: 523
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Gerald, 14 yrs is a visitor in Fulham in 1901 in the home of John C Cormack.
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p.s. Wandsworth is only about 2 miles south of Fulham...
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As he is registered with Thoms as still living in 1899 this couldnt be him, could it?
re-read your 1st post in this thread...
....born in Fintra sometime around the 1840s...
so add this death :
Quarter/year : Mar 1895
Name : Joseph Dexter
Age : 54 (c1841)
Registration district : Wandsworth (London)
Volume : 1d / page: 523
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Gerald, 14 yrs is a visitor in Fulham in 1901 in the home of John C Cormack.
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p.s. Wandsworth is only about 2 miles south of Fulham...
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directory entry could be slightly out of date... have to clutch at straws with this guy!
plus the location is so close to Fulham, where Annie is mentioned living in 1900
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OK, I will clutch at the straw and see where it leads me! Thanks again,
directory entry could be slightly out of date... have to clutch at straws with this guy!
plus the location is so close to Fulham, where Annie is mentioned living in 1900
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sorry.... hold off on that Joseph, I may be able to eliminate him. There's a Joseph Dexter of matching age/yob not too far away in London on the 1891 census - born Leicestershire...
He's not with family so might be difficult to follow, but I'll see if he seems to vanish - could be the Joseph that died 1895
English census information is Crown Copyright, from www.nationalarchives.gov.uk
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Thanks, I have only guessed at Joseph's D.O.B, assuming that he was about the same age as Annie. i will have to wait to confirm his age on his marriage cert. Once that is done I will be in a better position to identify him on a death cert. I will have to write off for the marriage cert soon!
I had a look earlier at FreeBMD for deaths between 1890 and 1901 - I think most of the ages at death dont work out ...some are young children, most seem to be too young to be your Joseph
The only older entry is this one...
Quarter/Year : Sep 1899
Name : Joseph Dexter
Age : 78 (c1821)
Registration district : Kettering
Volume : 3b / page : 111
Kettering registration district is in Northamptonshire, and seems to be located north-west of Northampton - could possibly be on the way between London and Hollyhead ...
Shane
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no sign of that Joseph that I can find on the 1901 census - so think he's the one that died.
worth try - we ruled out a possible match. So barring serious indexing error it seems to me that there's no death in Ireland, England or Wales. You need access to ScotlandsPeople website (subscription) to to check deaths in Scotland.
marriage cert may only say 'full age'... so 21 or over...
S.
English census information is Crown Copyright, from www.nationalarchives.gov.uk
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I had discounted that chap because of 1891 :-\
Is there no help available from Clare resources? You would imagine that there would be an obituary in his own place?
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I have looked at the clare library resources, but I only found him in the directories.
I dont think the Clare Champion is available online, I will investigate online access to the irish times.
I had discounted that chap because of 1891 :-\
Is there no help available from Clare resources? You would imagine that there would be an obituary in his own place?
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Thanks for your help. My tree already has a few dead ends, this might just have to be another one.
On the bright side I have SO much more than I did a couple of weeks ago, its all wonderful.
no sign of that Joseph that I can find on the 1901 census - so think he's the one that died.
worth try - we ruled out a possible match. So barring serious indexing error it seems to me that there's no death in Ireland, England or Wales. You need access to ScotlandsPeople website (subscription) to to check deaths in Scotland.
marriage cert may only say 'full age'... so 21 or over...
S.
English census information is Crown Copyright, from www.nationalarchives.gov.uk
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Hi, I am a direct relative of Joseph Dexter. He moved to England and re married. His son was my Grandfather Gerald Dexter who had four children three girls and a boy (Frank), my father. Would love to hear from you.
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Excuse the delay in responding, I havent checked this site for a while ....
I would be very grateful for info on the date of Joseph Dexter's move to England and his date of death as well.
Do you know where the divorce would have gone through the courts?
Cheers,
Cathy
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I presume there was a divorce ....?
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Hello, I think there was some confusion in the last couple of postings. I am from the same family. Gerald Wiliam Edgeworth Dexter was born to William Dexter on 29 May 1903, not to Joseph Dexter who was William's father. William did re-marry.
Further, from the family notes, on Joseph Dexter (notes courtesy of Frank Dexter):
"There is no record of the death of Joseph Dexter. Family legend has it that Joseph drank away the family fortune and emigrated to Australia. It is known that on 7th March 1896 a person named John Dexter from Tipperary died in Melbourne Hospital, he had arrived ... on the ship Ormuz, his Australian occupation was listed as "shepherd" and he was described as "single'. Was this Joseph Dexter having deserted his wife and family?"