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General => The Common Room => Topic started by: tancor2 on Saturday 23 March 13 16:43 GMT (UK)
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I am trying to trace the parents of my 2xGGrandmother
Her name was Mary Ann Ebbethite she was born in 1826 in Flamstead Hertfordshire,her occupation was a straw plaiter,she married Thomas Lovett in 1846 in Hemel Hempstead, they then moved to Colne lancashire
I have been trying for many years without success to find her parents,maybe someone will read this and be able to help.
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Have you got a copy of her marriage cert?
If not, that would be one step you could take, as will hopefully give er fathers name and occupation
Apr/May/Jun 1846
Hemel Hemstead ref 6 709
Thomas Lovett and Mary Ann Ebbethite on same page
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I have not got a copy of the marriage certificate,maybe i will start with that thanks
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1851 census has this family:
Reference HO107, Piece 1715, Folio 226, Page 14
Picotts End, Hemel Hempstead
Ebbethite, William Head M 72 Ag Lab b Hemel Hempstead
Ebbethite, Dinah Wife F 63 Plaiter b Hemel Hempstead
Ebbethite, John Son M 33 Ag Lab b Hemel Hempstead
Edwards, Emmanuel Grandson M 19 Ag Lab b Hemel Hempstead
Edwards, Eliza Granddaughter F 15 Plaiter b Hemel Hempstead
Maybe it's Mary Ann's family?
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1851 census has this family:
Reference HO107, Piece 1715, Folio 226, Page 14
Picotts End, Hemel Hempstead
Ebbethite, William Head M 72 Ag Lab b Hemel Hempstead
Ebbethite, Dinah Wife F 63 Plaiter b Hemel Hempstead
Ebbethite, John Son M 33 Ag Lab b Hemel Hempstead
Edwards, Emmanuel Grandson M 19 Ag Lab b Hemel Hempstead
Edwards, Eliza Granddaughter F 15 Plaiter b Hemel Hempstead
Maybe it's Mary Ann's family?
Funny but this family in 1841 could be possibly:-
William Rowland 60
Dinah 50
John 20
Daniel 15
Residing at Precotts End Hemel Hempstead
Census ref HO107/441 / 7/8 / 10
Their is a Mary Rowland b c 1826 with a Smith household on HO107/441/ 2/4/ 3 Hemel Hempstead
Keyboard86
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Going slightly of topic here, but this article was interesting:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ebelthite
So we could be looking for Hebblethwaite?! ;D
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Hi again not certain of course of Rowland family, but how many Dinah/ Williams are there in Herts?!
Emmanuel Smith aged 9 with Eliza aged 4 parents William and Sarah at Boxmoor, Hemel Hempstead another to throw in the mix! Census ref for 1841 HO107/441/ 7/58 / 19
Come on KG on me mobile just say yeah or nay!
Keyboard86
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Well, there is also a Dinah & William Clark!! ::)
Living at Little Munden in 1841 - HO107, 437, 3, 19, 8
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Hi tancor
Welcome to Rootschat & I do feel so sorry for you with a name like that in your ancestry :) only because I have almost the same. ;)
My Grt Grt Grandmother was Eliza Eppthite born 1812 in Rickmansworth, spelling also found as Eppathite, Hippathite, Hibbathite, Ebelthite, that's apart from the ones on the link posted by KGarrad. I have even seen a reference to it having been Evilthrift at one time.
I did send for Eliza's marriage cert in the hope that it would give me a clue as to her father but guess what, no father mentioned on the cert, so I am none the wiser. :'(
Unfortunately I don't know if our ancestors are connected but there is a chance so I shall follow this thread with interest & if I can offer any help I certainly will.
Maddie
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Hi, I think I have found your Mary Ann & it looks like the 1851 census posted for William & Dinah is correct.
From Family Search there is a baptism at Box Lane Independent H/H for Mary Ann Ebithite on 25th June 1837, parents William & Dinah, actual birth date is 10 July 1826.
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/V5V9-XTD
I can't find her in the 1841 yet though. ???
Maddie
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Thanks to all who have replied,i have not been able to find her on the 1841 census but the the names of William and Dinah found by you in 1851 look worth investigating,i have also found the name spelt different so it is hard to know if i have the correct spelling thanks again for all your help.
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i have also found the name spelt different so it is hard to know if i have the correct spelling
These people were Agricultural Labourers, and therefore probably not literate?
So I don't think they were too concerned about spellings! ;D
The registrar, priest, vicar, or whoever jost wrote down what they thought the spelling could be ::)
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I'm sure you are right about the reasons for the spelling KGarrard but oh it has made it difficult to research these folks. ;) Even trying to say the name with a Hertfordshire accent. :D
Regarding the 1841 census that keyboard found, I tend to agree that it is the same family in Picots End as on the 1851. According to Family Search (& another source) William & Dinah did also have a John & Daniel. Why the name should be Rowland though is a complete mystery.
Maddie
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I think it happens a lot that the people were not literate and the people writing down the names as you say spelt them as they thought they should be spelt.
i find it interesting that in the 1841 census you have the family living in Picots end,because this is were my 3GGrandfather lived and it was his son Thomas that married Mary Ann Ebbethite so it is looking as if William and Dinah could be the missing parents,do not know anything about the reason for the name Rowland
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I'm sure you are right about the reasons for the spelling KGarrard but oh it has made it difficult to research these folks. ;) Even trying to say the name with a Hertfordshire accent. :D
Thanks Maddie - you have just made my point (not that saying you are illiterate! Far from it!!)
My surname is Garrad, not Garrard! ;D
Which just proves how easy it is to get a name wrong ;D
People are forever getting my name wrong ::) , so maybe I am more aware than most of surname variations? ;D ;D
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My apologies KGarrad :) & I do agree with you over spellings & pronunciation of names as my maiden name was forever being pronounced wrong. :)
tancor, as both of your families were in Picots End it is looking good but where was Mary A. ??? Perhaps she was the Mary Rowland with the Smith family. :-\
Maddie
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I believe I have just found the connection to Rowland although I haven't yet worked out why :-\ but on Family Search it would seem that William Ebithite who married Dinah was the son of William Ebuthite & Susannah c1775 in Hemel Hempstead, this couple also had a daughter Ann baptised in 1777, the fathers name is William Ebuthite or Rowland on the record. ???
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/NB7L-V5D
More mysterious than ever. :o
Maddie
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Hi just posting these for ref later on tonight:-
1861 Census
William EBBTTST 82
Dinah 72
Jane A Edwards 6 Great Grandaughter
Residing at Picotts End
RG09/838/89/9
1861Census
John Ebethight 42
Sarah 41 wife
Residing Chapel Street
Census ref RG09/838/40/21
1871 Census
John Ebithite 52
Sarah 57 or 51?
Jane Edwards 16 Niece
Residing at Chapel Street
Census ref RG10/1386/48/33
Keyboard86
Who and under what surname did John marry?
Keyboard86
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From Free BMD this looks like a possible marriage for John Ebbethite to Sarah Bowman Sep qtr 1839 Hemel Hempstead. I hadn't noticed that he was married in the 1851 until I looked again & wife Sarah isn't with him in the 1841 either if the 1839 marriage is correct. :-\
Maddie
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Found Sarah in the 1851, HO107/1715/169/47. Chapel Street.
Sarah EBIGHTHITE with 2 daughters, Sarah & Susannah A.
What a name........... ::)
Maddie
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Deaths, March qtr 1870
Hemel Hempstead district vol 3a, page 295
Ebethite, Dinah age 82
Also
March qtr 1875
Hemel Hempstead district vol 3a, page 333
Ebethite, Sarah age 59
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Hi again, this could be Sarah with young Sarah in 1841:-
Sarah HELLITHORT 25 Not born in County
Sarah 8 months
Residing with Jonathan and Susannah Smith and family at Prescotts End, Hemel Hempstead
Census Ref HO107/441/ 7/3 /1
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I agree with you keyboard :), wondered about them myself. The image even looks as if it's Hellithort, perhaps Sarah had a rotten cold the day the enumerator visited. ;D
Yet another strange spelling to throw in the pot. ???
Maddie
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Thanks once again to everyone for all your help,i do feel we have the right parents in William and Dinah now my next task is to try and find Dinah maiden name.
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Hi
This is a good possibility for their marriage. ;D
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/N28D-TLZ
Maddie
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Thanks Maddie followed your link and found Dinah Palmer and they married in1803 in Hemel Hempstead
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;D
Great stuff, here's another one for you, https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/JWNC-Q31
Family Search has very good coverage for Hertfordshire so hopefully you should be able to find more for your Ebbithite, Ebithite Ebuthite, etc. :D
Maddie
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I like to be able to find all births and deaths i have tried all spellings for William surname on the 1837 -1916 deaths but can find him it must have been after 1861 as he was in that census aged 82 any ideas what to try next thanks
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Hi I've had that problem with him as well!
Also whos children are the Edwards on 1851/61 with William & Dinah?
Keyboard86
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William died Dec qtr 1863, on Free BMD it is indexed as E* Hemel Hampstead, I found it by just searching for William died 1863 in H/H. If you look at the original image it is very hard to read but I do have the record from another source too. :)
Haven't looked at the Edwards family as yet. ???
Maddie
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Thanks again thats brilliant years of being unable to find information,now in 2 days on Rootschat brilliant if i have other things i need to find and i am having difficulties will use Rootschat again
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Hi again, glad we have been of help to you, to clear up the Edwards children the marriage looks to be Henry Edwards to Sarah Ebbuthite 1829 Flamstead, Herts, (14th April 1829) in Dec qtr 1856 Hemel Hempstead Sarah re-marries a Joseph Wilson he is on 3a 437 Sarah on 3a _27 they can be found in 1861 at Cherry Bounce, Hemel Hempstead RG09/838/5/3 Joseph 63 Sarah 51 with children Louisa Edwards 12 and Henry aged 9, I also see in 1851 their is a George Edwards aged 22 with Thomas and Mary A Lovett he was shown as nephew, he was born 6th March 1829 christened 25th June 1837 Box Lane Independent father Henry Mother Sarah.
Any more help we can give give us a shout ok!
Keyboard86
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Hi
I'm also pleased we have been able to help & thank you keyboard for sorting the Edwards out. :)
If you should happen to discover why William Ebuthite the elder was alias Rowland do please let us know, I am intrigued.... :D
This thread has also given me some fresh names to look under for the baptism of my Eliza in Ricky although I have a feeling I still wont be able to find her. ::)
Maddie
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Hi, I too am interested in William and Dinah as they are my 4th great Grandparents via their daughter Elizabeth Ebuthite born 1805 .I am trying to establish Williams date of birth and parents .The census in 1851 and 1861 date his birth approx 1779 . I do think the Rowland name has some link to the mystery and that the 1841 census it his him and Dinah living with the surname Rowland ,especially as their neighbours are the Allums who Elizabeth marries a Allum (Richard Allum b 1805 ) added to that are the siblings Daniel and John in the 1841 census .
On familysearch I have found this for an Ann born to parents William and Susanna which gives the fathers name as Ebuthite or Rowland
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/NB7L-V58 .
William and Susanna also have a son William born in 1775 https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/J734-957 .
The only thing is that this does not tie in with the census dates of birth for my William
Then there are these few ones with the Rowland as a middle or first name that may be linked ..
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/NR45-FQ4
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/JQTY-NRM
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/J74V-XWG
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after the success with Mary i am trying to find my 3xggmother who was mother to Marys husband Thomas he was born in France and his mother was French all we know about her is that she was called Clotilde we do not have a surname she married George Lovett from Hertfordshire, her death certificate shows she died in Hemel Hempstead and from her age at death we worked out she was born about 1802 in or around Calais in France, does anyone know anything or where to find french records my problem i myself do not understand or speak french, so would need a site that would translate into English.
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There are no national databases of French births :-\
You have to go to the relevant local authority.
You would be best to start a new thread in the "Europe" board?
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I have put Europe board in search it comes up did you mean Europa which is not what I want so how do put a new topic on the Europe board.
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Click on where it says "Forum" on the dark brown strip just above these replies.
Then scroll down, quite a long way, till you get to the "Europe" Board.
you should then be able to click on Start a new thread, or similar.
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Thanks found it.
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Put it on Europe board and in just a few hours i had all the information i was looking for including my 4x grandparents. after years of not being able to find the french link i got amazing info from the people contributing on Europe board.
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Told you!! ;D ;D ;D ;D
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Thanks for suggesting I put it on Europe Board.