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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => England => Gloucestershire => Topic started by: Earlsdau on Sunday 24 March 13 13:30 GMT (UK)
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Why is Gloucestershire conspicuous by its absence with online parish records? Is this simply because none of the main transcribing groups (FindMyPast, Ancestry etc) have yet got around to tackling them or have the records been vetoed by local historical groups? I have found some stuff on FamilySearch but for Gloucestershire it seems particularly inadequate and incomplete. Censuses have been the only useful bit so far but that is limited.
So frustrating in this day and age. I hate having to pay researchers to look up basic information which I can have the pleasure of seeking out. It's different when one hits a really big brick wall having to pay for research, that's quite acceptable, but not for everyday 'bread and butter' parish look ups!
Any suggestions or tangents that I don't know about or haven't come across?
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Hi,
I am a member of both Glos Family History Society (GFHS) and Glos Archives (GA) and do volunteer lookups for anyone on RootsChat.
Just post your data request.
Victor
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I forgot to mention that you can find, online, post-1837 BMDs for Gloucestershire at:-
ww3.gloucestershire.gov.uk
Victor
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Thanks for your very kind offer :D
Post 1837 GRO stuff is easy, although nowhere near as good or as informative as parish records, IMHO. Problem with GRO data is there are no guarantees that you are getting the correct person when there are several people with the same name in a similar time period or area, except through intense cerebral deduction and sometimes trial and error. What I love about being able to see original parish records is seeing all the other clues like witnesses, signatures, spellings of names, out of parish details etc.
For Gloucestershire it's now before 1837 where I am needing information. What the GFHS has is so limited in the years available on CD or PDF (ie. if one can't visit their facility).....nothing before 1800! :(
I'm assuming that to do lookups, you mean you are able to access pre-1800 Gloucestershire records?
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Hi,
If you look at all my 1,605 posts you will see that they are all lookups etc. I have never personally requested data on this site. Once again, just field your data request and I will endeavour to do a lookup for you during my twice weekly visits - Tuesday & Saturday.
I also hold quite a lot of Gloucestershire data at home.
Victor
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Although coverage for Glos is still patchy, don't forget http://www.freereg.org.uk/ Also, a site which is often recommended here if you are searching in the west of the county: http://www.forest-of-dean.net/
Jane
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Hello,
Gloucestershire is very far a way for me. Would you be able to do look ups for me?
I need help in finding a burial for Jame Gwynn who died on 21 Oct 1942 at The Infirmary Eastington, Gloucestershire, Aged 18 years old. His home address was 6 Woodcock Lane, Gloucestershire. His Occupation: General Labourer..
I have had help from a local Priest from the area and he has suggested St. Cyr's churchyard, in which case the details of the person, but not necessarily of the grave will be recorded in the Church burial registers.
There is also the possibility that a burial could have taken place at St. Michael and All Angels, Eastington or possibly at a non-conformist Church, the only one of which had a burial ground in Stonehouse was the Congregational Church in the High Street (now demolished).
I phoned Gloucester City Council for Gloucestershire burials & Cremations and they checked Tredworth Road Cemetery & Coney Hill Cemetery - James Gwynn not found.
They suggested I should call Gloucestershire Family History Society for help.
I spoke to a lovely lady from their and she said that because he died in Eastington and lived nr Stonehouse, I should try the churches for Stroud. As there are no cemeteries covering his area.
Just to be able to locate his grave would give great relief to my aunt.
If you could help with this research you would be making a little old lady very happy.
If I am able to help you in anyway. Please let me know. I live in Dagenham, Essex. I often go to Newham, Havering & Barking & Dagenham Archives. If I can assist you in these areas please let me know.
Thank you for your time.
Angie
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Can you tell me whether the GFHS PDF/CD's are as universally comprehensive for pre-1837 Gloucestershire Parish BMD's as the advertising makes out?
While I make up my mind about whether I purchase them, considering the short number of years covered, may I ask whether you could look up something for me?
Would it be possible to do a lookup on whether a Phillip and Charlotte BURBRIDGE (nee Fellsteed) who married on 17/08/1801 in Didbrook had a daughter named Jemima baptised in Winchcombe on 1/08/1824? FamilySearch do not list a Jemima as one of their children. The children listed are Sarah bapt. 16/05/1802 Didbrook; Esther 10/11/1805 Toddington; Richard 9/02/1808 Toddington; Phillip 30/12/1810 Toddington and Leigh 1/11/1812, Toddington.
Also............as I cannot find the information anywhere else.....Charlotte's parent's names? Charlotte FELLSTEED was born circa 1784 in Prestbury, Gloucestershire.
I won't push the envelope and ask for more....lol.
Many thanks.
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Hi Angie,
Source: Glos Archives (GA) P316 IN 1/40, St Cyr, Stonehouse, Glos GL10 3QP
James GWYNN of Stonehouse buried October 24th, 1942, aged 18 years.
I can't sort your 2nd data request now, but will do a few lookups at GA on my next visit and get back to you.
p.s. I can find NO record of a FELLSTEED marriage in Prestbury prior to Charlotte's birth in 1784.
Baptisms at St Andrew, Toddington
Phillip & Charlotte BURBRIDGE, a Cordwainer of Toddington:-
25/06/1815, Charlotte
06/07/1817, Harriet
29/08/1819, Simeon (son)
Baptisms at St Peter, Winchcombe
Phillip & Charlotte BURBRIDGE, a Cordwainer of Winchcombe:-
07/04/1822, Caroline Amelia
01/08/1824, Jemima
30/12/1827, Ann Maria
Victor :)
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The baptisms I have listed are those shown on the CD 1813-1837, so you'll have to wait for the earlier baptisms until I next visit GA.
Kindly list me a fresh request of your outstanding data requirements as the paperwork is now running to 4 pages and just confuses me.
Victor
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One parting shot - a Phillip BURBRIDGE married Jane ARNOLD @ St Peter, Winchcombe, 8th November 1834, by Banns.
1841 Census for Winchcombe & Sudeley Manor, conducted 6th June 1841
Sudeley Tenements
Philip BURBRIDGE, 30, Ag Lab
Jane BURBRIDGE, 25
Ann BURBRIDGE, 5
Jane BURBRIDGE, 4m
Hailes Street
Philip BURBRIDGE, 60, Shoemaker
Charlotte BURBRIDGE, 55
Ann BURBRIDGE, 14
Simeon BURBRIDGE, 20, Ag Lab
Victor :)
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Many thanks Victor for the info so far!
Those children born in Toddington between 1815 and 1819 fill the gap nicely between the earlier children also born in Toddington and the later ones born in Winchcombe.
The Phillip BURBRIDGE married in 1834 will be the son of Phillip and Charlotte judging by the age. Therefore one of the earlier 'batch' of children which tends to confirm those names on FamilySearch but if you can verify them on the database you have, that would be great.
So you couldn't find a marriage of FELLSTEEDS in Prestbury? Perhaps they had moved from where they first lived. Without a computer program to find them I guess that means one has to trawl through village after village of names to locate them? Is that something you can do or can you give any advice to me as to resources where I can look.....remembering I am not in the U.K?
(I say it again, a computerised transcribed system is a massive boon to this kind of research when one is doing it from a distance. Gloucestershire needs to get with the times.).
Again many thanks for those names, so far Victor!
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Hi Angie,
I had hoped that you would give me a fresh list of your data equirements in your last reply? This post is now running to 4 pages and I can't see the wood for the trees!
My thoughts on the marriage of Phillip & Charlotte BURBRIDGE, nee FELLSTEED at Didbrook on 17/8/1801 is that marriages generally took place at the bride's parish, so I could check to see if I can find a baptism for Charlotte there. Phillip's abode was Toddington at the time of the marriage.
I don't think I need to check the baptisms of Sarah, Esther, Richard, Phillip or Leigh as you already have these dates.
I found 2 further marriages which may be of interest:-
Thomas BURBRIDGE of Toddington married Ann LEA at Toddington, 16/2/1805 by Banns.
Elizabeth FELSTEED married James INGRAM at Boddington, 14/12/1760.
Victor
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Hi Victor,
Were you speaking to Angie or to Earlsdau?
I'm more than happy to supply you with a fresh list of requirements if it was me.....lol!
Thank you again for those two marriages....I'll do some checking now as to how they may connect with the family.
Earlsdau
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Hi,
Sorry to you both. It has only just occurred to me that there are 2 RootsChatterers on this post. If either of you require further lookups, NOT research, I shall be happy to oblige.
Victor
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Leigh BURBRIDGE m. Jemima GARDNER @ St Peter, Winchcombe, 14th April 1836, by Banns.
Phillip BURBRIDGE m. Jane ARNOLD @ St Peter, Winchcombe, 8th November 1834, by Banns.
Thomas BURBRIDGE of Didbrook m. Jane BARNETT @ St Peter, Winchcombe, 14th March 1833, by Licence.
Thomas BURBRIDGE of Didbrook m. Ann LEA @ St Andrew, Toddington, 16th December 1805, by Banns.
Ann BURBRIDGE m. Job TAYLOR @ St George, Didbrook, 12th May 1834, by Banns.
Elizabeth BURBRIDGE m. William GREEN @ St Peter, Winchcombe, 5th August 1828, by Banns.
Mary BURBRIDGE m. George GRIMMETT of Buckland @ St George, Didbrook, 12th December 1824, by Banns.
Victor
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Hi Victor,
I am based across the Irish sea, and have come across this thread while searching for a confirmation of a Gloucestershire birth/ baptism.
Could I please ask you to verify/ confirm
John HARVISON, * 14 Apr 1765 Coates, Gloucestershire
for me, please ?
Apparently, John, and for unknown reasons, resurfaced in Caistor, Lincs in later life. He is one of the riddles in your parts of the realm.
Your help is much appreciated.
Thanks & Best Regards,
Gernot
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Hi Gernot,
Welcome to Roots.
You should really have posted your data request under Gloucestershire Lookup Requests. Never mind, I have your data request, but I am unable to do a lookup for a while due to just coming out of hospital after heart surgery, and I am convalescing at home at the moment.
Just bear with me and I will do the lookup as soon as I can and get back to you.
Victor
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My husband has been researching in Gloucestershire for many years and I have always envied him the large number of records on line.There are ideas on the Gloucesteshire board on this site.I cannot remember the exact names of sites he used but I'm sure if you Google ...Gloucestershire parish records you will find all you need.Obviously I don't suppose all places are fully covered but I do know he found a very large number from a wide area of villages.I think one site was called All the Cotswolds.You could also google your own village names to see what records are available.Also Free Reg which is part of FreeBMD may have covered your area.Try Genuki as well.
There are lots of records out there and The county is one of the best for on libe records.
Ringrose
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Hi Victor,
thanks, and yes - not new to family history - have been on this for the past 25 years, strictly privately, I am indeed new to at least Gloucestershire and "roots".
I am sorry, I shall try to catch up with things.
Take all the time you need to recuperate. I can wait. Thanks for offering to verify "my" John Harvison.
Father and mother should be: John & Mary (unless Mary had already died by or before April 1765 - which may explain John's move to Caistor, Lincs - which I find to be quite a drastic distance in those days).
Thanks & Best Wishes,
Gernot
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Hi Gernot,
Source: Glos Archives (GA) PFC 92 IN 1/2, St Matthew, Coates, PRs.
The above source reference is the actual Parish Register and I could find NO entry of a baptism for John HARVISON, 14th April 1765. There is NO baptism entry between November 1764 and December 1765.
Coates is a very small parish.
Victor
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Hi Victor,
Thanks very much for checking. Interesting that he's not listed at all. I guess, it's back to Lincs for me then, and double-check the baptisms there. Caistor, Lincs, is where this John ended up at around 1797 - which still doesn't explain the move of his parents from Tetney, Lincs to Coates, Gloucestershire. I guess, I should double-check into Stow, Lincs...
There is a wee hamlet, Coates-by-Stow, just outside Stow... I wonder if the parish priest/ curator got carried away when he wrote down Gloucestershire in the baptism record of John's son, also called John.
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Hi Victor,
I have been looking for a baptism around the Gloucester area for a William Player born about 1793 according to his age on this death certificate. His year of birth had been about 1800 on the censuses. Other than Gloucestershire for his place of birth per the 1851 census, the 1861 census has St. Nicholls Gloucestershire.
Many thanks.
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Hi Julie,
There is no record of a baptism for William Player at St Nicholas, Gloucester 1790-1802.
I did find a marriage which may, or may not, be relevant.
A William PLAYER of Tetbury married Betty BROWN at St Matthew, Coates, Glos 25th June 1786, by Licence.
Victor
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Hi Julie,
There is no record of a baptism for William Player at St Nicholas, Gloucester 1790-1802.
I did find a marriage which may, or may not, be relevant.
A William PLAYER of Tetbury married Betty BROWN at St Matthew, Coates, Glos 25th June 1786, by Licence.
Victor
Hi Victor,
Many thanks for your time. I will have a look around with the information and see if anything crops up. :)
Julie
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Please can you help me to find my 2x Great Grandmother. Her name was Charlotte Duncan and she lived in Stonehouse. Her death in 1912 is given as Stroud. I would like to find out where she is buried but I'm having no luck. I'd be grateful for your help. Thanks.
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Hi Fiona,
The burial records for St Cyr, Stonehouse are held at Glos Archives (GA), and on my next visit I'll check the microfiche record for you - PFC IN 1/19 3 refers.
Victor
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Hi Victor
Thanks so much. What other cemeteries are there around Stonehouse that I could check, just in case she's not buried at St Cyr's?
Regards
Fiona
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Hi Fiona,
The only other possibility that I can think of is St Lawrence, Stroud, and I'll check there if I don't find the burial at St Cyr, Stonehouse.
Victor
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Hi Fiona,
Re: Charlotte DUNCAN, d.1912 Stroud 6a 337 Sep Qtr, aged 75
I have checked the St Cyr, Stonehouse, Burial records and there is NO trace of Charlotte's burial.
I also checked the St Laurence, Stroud, Burial records for 1912, but these are still held at the parish church.
Please see my PM (private message) for contact details.
Victor
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Hi Victor
Thanks so much for your efforts. I will contact the PCC and see what she has to say. I suppose it it entirely possible that she was buried elsewhere as she was not originally from the Stroud/Stonehouse area. It would have been nice to have "closed off" on Charlotte as she had a pretty eventful life that took her from Hampshire to Malta, India, London. Her first husband married her bigamously in Malta, but that's another story. Again, many thanks.
Regards
Fiona
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Hi Victor
After your email I wracked my brains and then wondered if she had been buried in Surrey with her husband, James, who died in 1902. This proved to be the case and I found her burial record in Richmond in the same grave as James. Thanks again for your efforts and apologies for not using my brain earlier!
Kind regards
Fiona
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My husband has many villages in Gloucestershire which are in his family history.A few years ago I was quite envious of all the records he found on line away from the paid sites.I find very often if you google parish registers and the village name you may be lucky.I was surprised therefore when you say so few records.by using the villages as a starter point you often get directed to other sites like ukga.org and I can remember at one time quite a few Pallot registers were on line and you turned the pages of the actual register.Itmight. Have been a site called Archive.org.
Also googling a village with a surname and the word genealogy gives you new areas to look at
It is a case of looking sideways and perhaps not worry too much about the paid sites although they help.
Ringrose
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http://ww3.gloucestershire.gov.uk/
I get error Under Construction
Mick
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Hi,
I am a member of both Glos Family History Society (GFHS) and Glos Archives (GA) and do volunteer lookups for anyone on RootsChat.
Just post your data request.
Victor
Hi Victor
My ancestor who called himself William Walkley, was apparently born 1849 in Rodborough although I cannot find direct evidence of this. He sailed to Sydney on the 'Eastern Empire' in 1862 at age 12 with his mother Eliza Pearce then 41, elder brother thomas 14 and younger sister Mary 10 and all were registered in the immigration records as hailing from Chalford. His death certificate (in Sydney) cites his mother, Eliza Pearce, only. I cannot discover from online sources who his father was. There does not appear to have been a marriage although there seem to be lots of William Walkleys around Stonehouse, Stroud etc at that time. Suspecting an illegitimate family for poor old Eliza that she finally decided to take away to Australia (where I am) but would be grateful for any help you could provide to confirm this.
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Hi,
Welcome to RootsChat.
I have checked the Gloucestershire BMD Indexes, http://ww3.gloucestershire.gov.uk/bmd/, and there is NO sign of births for William, Thomas or Mary.
I am, therefore, unable to locate their mother's maiden name or the preceding marriage.
Victor
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Maybe this family from 1851?
Class: HO107; Piece: 1964; Folio: 372; Page: 5
Chalford, Bisley, Gloucestershire
Pearce, James Head M 58 Servant b Bisley
Pearce, Eliza Wife F 28 b Bisley
Pearce, William Son M 1 b Bisley
Pearce, Thomas Son M 3 b Bisley
Under "Name of Street etc", against Thomas, is "1 House Union"?
Chalford parish was formed in 1842 out of Bisley parish.
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Hi,
A James PEARCE married Eliza BUTT at the Register Office, 1849 Stroud 11 499 Mar Qtr. Register Office marriage certificates are not available for transcription at Glos Archives.
I couldn't find William or Thomas' birth entries.
Victor
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Thank you very much Victor and KGarrad. The Bisley family looks very promising. I will have to think on it and go back to verifiable scratch (which at the moment I think is only the death certificate and coroner's report.). There is another lead in 1871 for a family in Bermondsey, Surrey showing Eliza married to Charles Pearce and William Walkley as a stepson which confuses me. So its possible the William on the boat in 1862 may not be my William. But he had to get here somehow and the boat family is the only relevant record and with good dates. Maybe the Bisley dad died.
Quite overwhelmed by your kindly assistance. Thank you again.
Maree
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Hi Maree,
With regard to the family on the Eastern Empire in 1862. That family is one of mine and William was my great-grandfather on my dads side. His mothers name was Eliza Butt and his father was James Pearce. The family came from the Bisley, Stroud area of Gloucestershire. William I know a bit about and as far as I know he never called himself Walkley. His father may have died sometime between the birth of the youngest child Mary and the 1861 census. James is listed in the 1851 but not in the 1861, although the rest of the family is and Eliza and her eldest son were supporting the family as umbrella handle turners. I believe that this occupation was a very poorly paid one. They may have had family who emigrated to Australia earlier on and I think that their circumstances could have been the reason that they decided to come to Australia in 1862.
There is a William Walker on the same trip of the Eastern Empire, but, his mother seems to be a Dinah Walker aged 35 with four children, William aged 14, Janet aged 12, Margaret aged 6 and Christina aged 4. They are listed under Wives and Families of Persons Resident in Colony. Their person in the colony seems to be a James Walker.
I hope this helps a bit. I still have a lot of questions about this family. I would love to know when Williams dad James Pearce died for instance.
Anyway let me know if I can help.
Gail :)
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Hi Again Maree,
I hope that you are still interested in this query. It is really interesting. I said that James Pearce married Eliza Butt and had William, Thomas and Mary. Now I find that a John Butt married a Maria Walkley on the 30th Sept 1832 in Bisley, All Saints. I have no idea what relationship this couple may have to my James and Eliza Butt. For further information on these Bisley Butts see the following link.
http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/read/GLOUCESTER/2000-05/0959076483. Posted by another person interested in the name.
Gail
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Hi Gail,
Source: Glos Archives (GA) - PFC 47 IN 1/10 5, Entry No 847, All Saints, Bisley, Marriage:-
John BUTT, of this parish, Bachelor, and Maria WALKLEY, of this parish, Spinster, were married in this church this 30th day of September, 1832, by me Thomas KEBLE, Vicar.
John BUTT signed and Maria WALKLEY 'X' her mark.
Witnesses: 'X' the marks of Thomas & Ann WALKLEY
Victor
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Victor would you have the marriage of Benjamin Green and Sarah Bond 1855 Cheltenham? Please
louisaS
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Hi Louisa,
Unfortunately this marriage took place at the Register Office in Cheltenham, and these records are NOT available to the general public, only parish records are readily available.
GRO 1855 Cheltenham 6a 666 Jun Qtr refers.
You can obtain a copy from Gloucestershire Registration Services at a cost of £10.
http://ww3.gloucestershire.gov.uk/bmd/MarriageSearch.aspx
Victor
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Hi Victor,
Thanks for the marriage of John Butt and Maria Walkley. Pity it does not give parents names. I can't connect this family to mine yet. ???
Every little bit of info helps though.
Thanks again,
Gail
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Thank you very much Victor I followed your instructions and did notice it was registry office.
I know Benjamin Green was in gaol twice, What did he do!!
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Hi
I'm looking for information on my ancestors in Gloucestershire... I live in South Africa, so look-ups are quite difficult at times!
If you could please, please do a look-up for me, Victor, I am looking for the marriage certificate of Joseph Johnson and Ann Keller. They were married March 1841, according to FreeBMD, in Bristol. The listing is in volume 11, page 183. I'm dying to find out who Joseph's parents were, as I haven't been able to find his baptism listed.
I hope to hear from you! :)
Zoe
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Hello
I was just looking through your post. If anyone is interested, I have George Burbridge, born 1838 in Winchcombe in my family. He moved to Staffordshire and married my GG Grandmother, Mary Ann Shirley. At least I think they married, I haven't been able to find a marriage, but I really think this is the same George.
He died in 1870 in Tipton, Staffordshire. He left one son, George.
I am happy to supply any other information if you need it.
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Hello Gail, Have just read your post re Maria Walkley marriage to John Butt in 1832. I have been tying to find her since it seems forever and today I found a marriage announcement for her. If you haven't found her parents they are Thomas Walkley & Ann Cratchley. I have not been able to find any census records for etiher Maria or John. Hope this helps.
Regards,
Seraphic