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Scotland (Counties as in 1851-1901) => Scotland => Lanarkshire => Topic started by: Drop Bear on Monday 25 March 13 06:23 GMT (UK)
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With the kind help of the wonderful daval57 and Kay99 I have taken this branch of my tree to soaring new heights. I cannot express how marvelous the people are on this forum and the kindness that is shown to help others.
I know this may not be a straightforward and simple question, but how do I go about finding out where my Great Great Grandparents are buried.
This is what I know;
James McFarlane married Agnes Mitchell 14th July 1871 at 88 Main Street Wishaw after Bans according to the Forms of the Church of Scotland.
What religion does that make them?
Agnes died 9th May 1892 at 47 Flemington Row, Cambuslang
James died 9th June 1921 at 94 Lightburn Road, Cambuslang
James's father William McFarlane died 9th July 1892 that is all I have on him except that he was born in Lanark, Glasgow and the family were all born in Wishaw.
Does anyone have any idea where they would have been buried with the limited information I have?
Kindest regards
Liz
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Leave me alone! :D
Kidding.
Try this....
http://www.southlanarkshire.gov.uk/info/648/death-funerals_and_cremations/143/bereavement_services-burial_and_cremation/8
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Hey daval57, you should have been asleep hours ago ::)
Again, thank you for your wealth of knowledge. I got half way through filling out the request form and it will not accept my details as I live in Australia, by the postcodes it looks like they only do the lookups for UK residents. Hopefully someone may be able to help through the forum.
Kindest regards,
Liz
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Just send them an email......
bereavement.services[replace with 'at' symbol]southlanarkshire.gov.uk
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Hi Liz,
good morning from sunny Wishaw! It's just above freezing point, so that's good enough 8)
If your ancestors were "Church of Scotland" that would have made them Presbyterians.
I have some of the burial records for Cambusnethan churchyard and cemetery, Wishaw.
If you could suppy maiden surnames of McFarlane wives I could perhaps find some burials for you.
I did find this one -
MARY A. McFARLANE, Cambusnethan, aged 18 months.
Parents - James McFarlane & Agnes Mitchell.
Buried in the old churchyard on 3rd December 1877.
There are quite a few McFarlane burials, if you recognise the following wives let me know -
These 4 were all married to men called William McFarlane. Jane Kay. Ann Gilmour. Margaret Allan. Margaret Sharp.
These 2 were married to men called George McFarlane. Ann Mauchline. Ann Meechan/Machan. (I wonder if this is just 1 person and bad spelling?).
Also have Joseph McFarlane & Janet/Jessie Waugh.
Lodger.
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Once again Lodger, you are amazing.
Jane Kay married to William McFarlane are my Great Great Great Grandparents
Ann Machan married to George McFarlane are my Great Great Great Great Grandparents (parents to the above William).
Mary is mine, she would have been my Great Grand Aunt.
Thank you also for clarifying the religion.
Kindest regards,
Liz
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Liz, another instalment.
This is taken from the Plot Book for the old churchyard at Cambusnethan. The plot book only begins about 1875 -76, before then the gravedigger kept it all in his head - who was where within the plot and who went in last, all that sort of stuff. By luck, there are Day books (like diaries) from about 1861 for the adjoining new cemetery, and these include burials in the old churchyard.
However, this is the record for a McFarlane plot which I am now convinced is the right one for you, despite the strange names! The entry for William in 1892 clinches it. It also gives us the name Joseph to work on, Joseph being a very unusual Christian name (for a Presbyterian, it was thought of as being too Catholic) in those days.
The last recorded owner of the plot was Mrs McFarlane, 134 Stewarton Street, Wishaw.
In the South lair -
(all dates are of burial)
JOSEPH McFARLANE, 40 years. 4th September 1895.
HUTCHISON McFARLANE, 9 months. 10th October 1896.
In the Centre lair -
JANE McFARLANE, 76 years. 11th July 1888.
JANET S. McFARLANE, no age given. 13th December 1928.
In the North lair -
AGNES McCREADIE, 3 years. 29th September 1888.
- - - - McFARLANE, aged 3 weeks. 7th January 1889.
WILLIAM McFARLANE, aged 81 years. 12th July 1892.
ROBERT McFARLANE, aged 26 years. 3rd November 1898.
HUTCHISON McFARLANE, aged 17 months. 28th June 1895.
WILLIAM McFARLANE, aged 74 years. 19th December 1919.
Unfortunately, no headstone has survived for this plot.
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Thank you Lodger
The last recorded owner of the plot was Mrs McFarlane, 134 Stewarton Street, Wishaw.
In the South lair -
(all dates are of burial)
JOSEPH McFARLANE, 40 years. 4th September 1895. Son of William McFarlane and Jane Kay
HUTCHISON McFARLANE, 9 months. 10th October 1896.
In the Centre lair -
JANE McFARLANE, 76 years. 11th July 1888. My Great Great Great Grandmother Jane Kay
JANET S. McFARLANE, no age given. 13th December 1928.
In the North lair -
AGNES McCREADIE, 3 years. 29th September 1888.
- - - - McFARLANE, aged 3 weeks. 7th January 1889.
WILLIAM McFARLANE, aged 81 years. 12th July 1892. My Great Great Great Grandfather
ROBERT McFARLANE, aged 26 years. 3rd November 1898.
HUTCHISON McFARLANE, aged 17 months. 28th June 1895.
WILLIAM McFARLANE, aged 74 years. 19th December 1919. Son of William McFarlane and Jane Kay
Just have to work out who the others are
Liz
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There are quite a few McFarlane burials, if you recognise the following wives let me know -
These 4 were all married to men called William McFarlane. Jane Kay. Ann Gilmour. Margaret Allan. Margaret Sharp.
These 2 were married to men called George McFarlane. Ann Mauchline. Ann Meechan/Machan. (I wonder if this is just 1 person and bad spelling?).
Also have Joseph McFarlane & Janet/Jessie Waugh.
Lodger.
Lodger, I'm not sure if I have missed something here, it is obvious by the information you have kindly supplied regarding William McFarlane and Jane Kay that they are definately mine. You also mention here George McFarlane and Ann who are also mine. Do you have further information?? ;D ;D
Liz
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Oops, sorry timed out while posting and put up the same message twice
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There are quite a few McFarlane burials, if you recognise the following wives let me know -
These 4 were all married to men called William McFarlane. Jane Kay. Ann Gilmour. Margaret Allan. Margaret Sharp.
These 2 were married to men called George McFarlane. Ann Mauchline. Ann Meechan/Machan. (I wonder if this is just 1 person and bad spelling?).
Also have Joseph McFarlane & Janet/Jessie Waugh.
Lodger.
Again as everything is falling into place, I have a note from a while back but not 100% confirmed that William McFarlane, the above mentioned son who died in 1919 was married to Margaret Sharp.
Liz
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OK, here's another load of McFarlanes, all related in some way.
Extracted from the Day Book, all the following are buried in the old churchyard of Cambusnethan.
JOSEPH McFARLANE. Pauper, Wishaw, aged 59 years, married.
Parents - George McFarlane & Ann Mauchline.
18th February 1864.
MARY McFARLANE. Wishaw, aged 14 years.
Parents - Joseph McFarlane & Janet Waugh.
16th DEcember 1863.
JAMES McFARLANE. Joiner, Wishaw, aged 38 years, married.
Parents - Joseph McFarlane & Janet Waugh.
11th January 1866.
ALEXANDER McFARLANE. Tailor, Wishaw, aged 26 years, married.
Parents - Joseph McFarlane & Janet Waugh.
1st July 1872.
AGNES HARRIS. Housewife, Wishaw, aged 37 years, married.
Parents - Joseph McFarlane & Janet Waugh.
1st February 1881.
MARION HARRIS. Wishaw, aged 6 months.
Parents - Thomas Harris & Agnes McFarlane.
7th August 1865.
MARION HARRIS. Wishaw, aged 11 weeks.
Parents - Thomas Harris & Agnes McFarlane.
17th March 1881.
JANET HARRIS. Wishaw, aged 13 years.
Parents - Thomas Harris & Agnes McFarlane.
14th September 1875.
JOSEPH HARRIS. Wishaw, aged 13 months.
Parents - Thomas Harris & Agnes McFarlane.
3rd December 1877.
I would imagine that all of the above are in the same plot and this is what the Plot Book has, but of course it only begins in the 3rd quarter of the 19th century.
The owner is listed as Janet Waugh. (Joseph's widow)
In the South lair -
- - - - - Harris, no age given. 3rd May 1886.
William Dalziel, aged 3 years & 6 months. 8th May 1886.
John McFarlane, aged 66 years. 5th July 1898.
In the Centre lair -
Agnes Harris, no age given. 1st February 1884.
Marion Harris, aged 11 weeks, 17th March 1881.
Robert Dalziel, aged 59 years, 30th June 1900.
In the North lair -
Janet McFarlane, aged 85 years, 25th January 1892.
Christina Dalziel, aged 90 years, 28th May 1938.
To complete the Harris line, here are 2 entries from the new cemetery records for plot E930.
THOMAS HARRIS. Stocktaker in steelworks. Wishaw, aged 24 years, unmarried.
Parents - Thomas Harris & Agnes McFarlane.
6th July 1896.
THOMAS HARRIS. Coalminer, Wishaw, aged 61 years. Widowed.
Parents - John Harris & Marion Calderhead.
26th December 1900.
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I'm not finished yet, it's a blizzard outside right now anyway!
From the Day Book.
AGNES FALCONER. Wishaw, aged 34 years, married.
Parents - William McFarlane & Jane Kay.
Interred in the old churchyard on 4th April 1874.
GEORGE FALCONER. Wishaw, aged 9 days.
Parents - William Falconer & Agnes McFarlane.
Interred in common ground, 2nd April 1874.
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From the Day Book -
JAMES McFARLANE. Weaver & pauper, Wishaw, aged 74 years, married.
Parents - George McFarlane & Ann Meechan.
Interred in the old churchyard, 26th November 1875.
JANET McDONALD. Housewife, Wishaw, aged 86 years, widow.
Parents - George McFarlane & ann Machan.
Interred in the old churchyard, 21st June 1879.
Because of the date of burial for the above Janet, I found a plot to match!
Plot owner listed as Janet McFarlane.
In the South lair -
Margaret McDonald, aged 68 years, 4th May 1887.
In the Centre lair -
Janet McDonald, aged 81 years, 21st June 1879.
George McDonald, aged 83 years, 25th February 1905.
In the North lair -
Ann Hunter, aged 75 years, 6th April 1904.
That, you will be happy to hear, is everything I can find!
good luck with your research.
Lodger
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Sorry, thought I was finished but I'm not ::)
Here is a picture of the McDonald - McFarlane headstone. It has the following inscription -
"Erected by Janet McFarlane in memory of her husband James McDonald who died 13th February 1854 aged 54 years. Also Joseph McDonald her son who died 25th May 1853 aged 13 years. Janet McFarlane who died 18th June 1879 aged 86 years. Ann McDonald died 3rd April 1904 aged 75 years".
On the other side of this stone is the following inscription -
"George McDonald died 23rd February 1905 aged 83 years. His wife Margaret Baillie died 1st May 1887 aged 68 years".
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O.K. so I have sifted through the wealth of information that Lodger (a huge thank you) has kindly supplied and verified the ones that are definately mine and will continue to pursue the rest as I believe most are somehow related but I am still in pursuit of my Great Great Grandmother Agnes McFarlane, maiden surname Mitchell. ???
Agnes died 9th May 1892 at 47 Flemington Row, Cambuslang
Lodger, please do not think I don't appreciate what you have supplied as without your help I would not have had ANY of the burial information you gave. You are a credit to the Rootschat community ;D
Kindest regards
Liz
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No sooner said than done 8)
I found her in another plot, no Day Book survives for the old churchyard from mid-1881 until 1906 so she didn't show. This time I searched by date and I'm sure this is her. She is in another McFarlane plot in the old churchyard, there was a headstone back in 1983 when I transcribed the stones but it was very badly broken and almost illegible even then, so it will have completely gone by now I expect.
Anyway, the plot owner is listed as Isabella McFarlane. 3 interments in the Plot Book, all in the south lair.
ISABELLA MITCHELL, aged 55 years, 22nd March 1881.
AGNES McFARLANE, aged 44 years, 11th May 1982.
ISABELLA PRENTICE, aged 4 years, 15th November 1893.
found the entry for the 1881 burial in the Day Book, just before it ends in the middle of the year.
ISABELLA MITCHELL, housewife, Wishaw, aged 55 years, widow.
Parents - James McFarlane & Jane Prentice.
Old churchyard, 22nd March 1881.
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Jings, Crivvens, help ma Boab etc.
I just popped in to see how this was going. I see I'm not needed any more! :D
Well done Lodger. You must be well pleased Liz.
Dave
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Jings, Crivvens, help ma Boab etc.
I see you are still getting the Sunday Post, Dave. You are still needed and heeded.
Tom
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ISABELLA MITCHELL, aged 55 years, 22nd March 1881.This is My Great Great Great Grandmother
AGNES McFARLANE, aged 44 years, 11th May 1982. This is my Great Great Grandmother( I think you meant 1892)
ISABELLA PRENTICE, aged 4 years, 15th November 1893.
found the entry for the 1881 burial in the Day Book, just before it ends in the middle of the year.
ISABELLA MITCHELL, housewife, Wishaw, aged 55 years, widow.
Parents - James McFarlane & Jane Prentice.
Old churchyard, 22nd March 1881.
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Lodger, seriously I am sitting here with tears in my eyes. I cannot thank you enough. After I posted my message, I started on the Mitchell side and found the documents I have for Isabella with parents of James McFarlane and Jane Prentice so not only did you find my Great Great Grandmother, you found her mother as well. I had her death as 20th April 1881 and her burial confirms this.
I am so grateful
Liz
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Hi daval57,
Are you awake then ;D :P
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I'm awake. Sometimes I'm pleased to be awake at this time of the morning. Not today though, cos once again, I've not been to sleep since yesterday morning.
:(
Very glad your research is going well.
Dave
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Thank you Dave, you had a big hand in this too you know ;D
What you all don't know is that the line I have just started as mentioned above with my Great Great Great Grandmother is a doozy. She had 15 children. So keep an eye out for posts on "Mitchell" as it should be fun (not) as they went to New Zealand and Canada and all over the world it seems. I will concentrate my efforts in Scotland first though. :o :o
Liz
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Hi Liz, I was At Cam'nethan old churchyard a couple of days ago, here are what's left of your family gravestones.
I will have to post them one at a time because of the size of the files. The first 3 are of what little is left of the Mitchell & McFarlane stone.
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This shows the stone's position in the churchyard. Almost as far away from the old ruined church as it could be, this area in the foreground was an overflow - extention probably opened early 19th century.
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This shows the position in relation to the McDonald & McFarlane stone.
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Dalziel & McFarlane stone
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Dalziel & McFarlane position in churchyard, it was a substantial obelisk but has been vandalised.
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This is a tiny stone recently uncovered after an old yew tree was cut down, you can see where I had to pull away the stumps and dig one of them out, so the inscription is not on my 1983 list. Which means I'm still finding new inscriptions 30 years on.
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McFarlane & Waugh
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Position of the McFarlane & Waugh stone. The line of trees marked with an X was the end of the churchyard until the small extention where the Mitchell/McFarlane plot is situated, was opened.
When I transcribed the stones in 1983 there was a nice pathway just to the left of those trees which has now been grassed-over.
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The churchyard in Edwardian times, not much has changed ::)
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and another view :o
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Lodger, a huge thank you to you. You go above and beyond and back again.
Apart from the Dalziel clan I can pretty much say that all of the above records and photos belong to my family.
As usefull as all of this is I have spent the past couple of days putting the pieces together. They add up except for one minor technicality and I'm not sure how to resolve it.
This side of my family consists of Mitchell's and McFarlanes. A McFarlane married a Mitchell and a Mitchell married a McFarlane so they are all related. (Confusion abound for quite some time for me)
James McFarlane married Agnes Mitchell (My Great Great Grandparents)
James's parents are William McFarlane and Jane Kay
Agnes's parents are Thomas Mitchell and Isabella Bryson McFarlane
That's all good, no issue.
William McFarlane married Jane Kay (My Great Great Great Grandparents)
William's parents are George McFarlane and Ann MACHEN/MACHEN
Agnes's parents are George Kay and Agnes Grey
Here in lies my dilema;
James McFarlane married Jane Prentice (My Great Great Great Great Grandparents)
James’s parents are George McFarlane and Ann Meechan
I have James’s Death Certificate, it gives his Mother’s maiden name as MEECHAN
You have thrown in a burial of Joseph McFarlane with parents of George McFarlane and Ann MAUCHLINE
What was Ann maiden name?? Machen/Machen/Meechan/Mauchline. Are they one in the same person or completely different women??
Are James, William and Joseph brothers, because if they are that gives me the Harris’s you have listed as well. There is probably a simple answer to this but my head is about to explode. And as I pointed out before it makes James my 3 x Great Grand Uncle, and my 4 x Great Grandfather.
Need a lie down now
Liz
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Hi Liz,
Old parish birth records for James, William & Joseph.
James. Barony Glasgow, February 1802.
Geo McFarlane and Ann Machen, Calton, had their 6th child born 23rd, bapt 27th named James.
Death records say mothers maiden is Meechan.
William. Barony Glasgow. August 1810.
George McFarlane & Ann McFarlane, Calton, had their 10th child, born 5th, bapt 19th named William.
Witnesses Peter Weir and John Machen (another relation?).
Death records say mothers maiden name is McMahon.
Joseph. Barony Glasgow. September 1804.
George McFarlane, Cotton Spinner, Calton & Ann Machen had their 7th child born the 13th, bapt 23rd named Joseph.
Death records say mothers name is Mauchlin.
I think Ann Machen/Machan/Meechen/Mauchlin/McMahon are the same person.
William's son, George, married James' daughter, Margaret, on 9 Sept 1870.
It says " cousins " on the marriage cert.
The Dalziel clan are from Joseph's daughter, Christina, who married Robert Dalziel on 30 Dec 1864.
Steven.
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Thanks for that Steven,
Meechan/Machen/Machan I can see could be the same surname. I have doubts about McMahon and Mauchline though. As requested in my e-mail, if you have those documents could you be so kind as to e-mail them to me ;D ;D I have Jame's death certificate.
I do see how everyone fits in but I need to be sure in my own mind. I don't want to add people just for the sake of it. The photos that Lodger posted and kindly marked show a close proximity of the burial sites, that could be a clue. (That's also probably why Lodger did it ::)) Even to the point that the one that shows the distance of Isabella's stone in relation to the McDonald one, behind Isabella's is one of "Prentice". Isabella McFarlane's mother was Jane Prentice.
I had noticed the marriage of Margaret and George and I wasn't going to persue that because Margaret is the child of Jame's second marriage to Janet Somerville (Sommerville) and Janet is not directly related to me BUT her daughters husband is. Gosh, again, I need a lie down.
Kind regards,
Liz
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Hi,
My name is Brenda and I live in Nova Scotia,Canada.I have been reading your posts and my GGG Grandfather was William McFarlane who married Jane[Jean]Kay.I think your GGGGrandfather and mine were brothers :) :) .My GGGrandfather was Joseph McFarlane who married Euphemia Sneddon who died in 1895.I am so interested in your information as I am going to Wishaw and taking my 82 yr. old mother on William McFarlane side[her GG Grandfather]in May of this year.I am so thankful I can take her to to grave yard and she is so pleased that I have found this info.I would like to chat sometime about the records you have.Thanks again!!
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Hi Brenda,
Welcome to Rootschat.
A few entries in the Cambusnethan burials records, a sorry tale really. (These are the good old days of Victorian values that a certain recently deceased British Prime Minister wanted us all to go back to!)
AGNES FALCONER, housewife, Wishaw, aged 34 years, married.
Parents - William McFarlane & Jane Kay.
buried in the old churchyard on 4th April 1874.
ANDREW FALCONER, Wishaw, aged 27 days.
Parents - William Falconer & Agnes McFarlane.
Buried in common ground on 1st April 1865.
STILLBORN MALE FALCONER, Wishaw.
Parents - William Falconer & Agnes McFarlane.
Common ground on 21st November 1865.
MARGARET FALCONER, Wishaw, aged 5 days.
Parents - William Falconer & Agnes McFarlane.
Common ground on 10th December 1866.
GEORGE FALCONER, Wishaw, aged 9 days.
Parents - William Falconer & Agnes McFarlane.
Public ground on 2nd April 1874.
I hope you enjoy your trip to Wishaw, bring plenty of warm clothes! The old churchyard is in a sorry state, my advice is be very, very careful. If you go Monday - Friday the lads in the little gravediggers office there are very helpful.
Lodger.
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Hi Brenda, welcome to the weed garden ;D
Funny, I have just started the Joseph McFarlane and Euphemia Sneddon part of the tree. So far I have their marriage, both their deaths and Euphemia's birth along with 10 children.
I have sent you a PM so we can compare notes and I can verify.
Kind regards,
Liz
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Lodger, again thank you, they are mine.
Have also sent you a PM.
Liz ;D