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Title: Second opinion required, please.
Post by: patty38 on Tuesday 02 April 13 16:33 BST (UK)
I am trying to find a birth/baptism record for my 2 x gt. g.father Francis Eeles (spelled many different ways) he was born in Melbeck Park/Feetham/Gunnerside, Yorks about 1808 fathers name James (from marriage, birth certs and census info.)  The only record I can find is for a Francis Eil baptised 11May 1806 @ Low Row, formerly Smarber Hall, Swaledale father James Mother Ann.
The spelling of Eeles varies so much it is very hard to pin down correct info, but I have checked that the places mentioned are all in the same area and am wondering if this is my Francis. Do you think i'm correct, can anyone offer a 2nd opinion or any ideas on how to confirm it.
Any help would be appreciated, thanks in advance.
Pat
Title: Re: Second opinion required, please.
Post by: lizdb on Tuesday 02 April 13 16:44 BST (UK)
Some ideas:
DId James and Ann baptise any siblings of Francis? Can you follow them and see if there is any confirmation that they are the same family?
Can you find when James/Ann died? Did they leave Wills - if so does it mention their son Francis and does the info tie up with what you know of 'your'Francis?
When you say you have found this baptism, have you actually been through the PRs for all those neighbouring villages and this was the only one you found, or is it just something that has popped up from site transcribing some PRs? In which case yours may be there somewhere, but just not one that has been transcribed!
Title: Re: Second opinion required, please.
Post by: patty38 on Wednesday 03 April 13 20:27 BST (UK)
Hello, thanks for your answer. Yes I have found other siblings baptisms but can't take them any further as  the name dissapears, I couldn't find any wills or probate  and this is the only Francis with a surname that sounded remotely like Eeles that I could find anywhere in the relevant district. All I know for certain is that on Francis' marriage cert. his father is down as James and there it stops.  Maybe I'm clutching at straws but everything else I've tried had come up nil.  Anyway I'll keep searching and thanks again for your help another opinion is always welcome.
Regards Pat.
Title: Re: Second opinion required, please.
Post by: lizdb on Thursday 04 April 13 07:35 BST (UK)
So, were the other baptisms of children of Jane and Ann also clearly Eli?
Title: Re: Second opinion required, please.
Post by: patty38 on Thursday 04 April 13 15:26 BST (UK)
Yes all baptised at the same church with the same parents names and the surname EIL (this is a very weird spelling that I havn't seen before). They were John 1793 James 1795 Nancy 1798 Mary 1801 Jervas 1803 and Francis 1806. The only reason i thought the name might be mis-spelled is that I can't find any of them anywhere else.
At last have found a Jervas on 1851 census under EELES and year and place of birth match  also marriage in 1842 under EELES which looks promising.
Title: Re: Second opinion required, please.
Post by: Pinetree on Thursday 04 April 13 16:17 BST (UK)
I think I can see a possibility for Jervas transcribed as Jervis Sills (looks like Eills on image) in 1851 Middlestone and Westerton, Durham age 48 b. Swaledale with wife Eliz and lodger Geo Maudling.

Pinetree

 :D guess we were typing at the same time.
Title: Re: Second opinion required, please.
Post by: patty38 on Thursday 04 April 13 16:33 BST (UK)
Thanks Pinetree, is the 1851 census Piece 2385 Folio 25 Page 9 if so found another version with name EELES and wifes name Elizabeth matches up with 2 names on marriage record in 1842.
Pat.
Title: Re: Second opinion required, please.
Post by: Pinetree on Thursday 04 April 13 16:43 BST (UK)
Yes that's the one. Did you find him in 1861 too? Now a widower Jervis Eals boarder with James and Mary Ann Gibbon in Ferry Hill, Durham b. Melbeck.  Piece 3617, 94, 24.

Certainly looks good in terms of name spelling and places to tie in the baptism for Francis I would think.

Pinetree
Title: Re: Second opinion required, please.
Post by: patty38 on Thursday 04 April 13 17:13 BST (UK)
No I missed that one  ::)  (its all the different spellings) but will look it up, thanks.
I'm getting a good feeling about this being the right family it just shows never give up hope.
Many thanks again
Pat.
Title: Re: Second opinion required, please.
Post by: patty38 on Sunday 14 April 13 13:53 BST (UK)
Just like to say a big thankyou to Lizdb and pinetree for the ideas and census information sent in reply to my question. Have found possible birth record plus name of mother and marriage of parents thanks to your help and further searches ongoing.
Regards
Pat.

 
Title: Re: Second opinion required, please.
Post by: Pinetree on Sunday 14 April 13 14:32 BST (UK)
Glad it's starting to fall into place Pat.

Pinetree  ;)
Title: Re: Second opinion required, please.
Post by: rumpled on Tuesday 16 May 17 15:16 BST (UK)
I am a descendent of Francis Eeles (slightly different spelling) My info has him born 1801 in or near Smarber.
I am new to this forum, not sure how to give viewing access to the family tree, but happy to share.

Also have BDM records from Grinton parish published in 1905. Has records from 1640
Title: Re: Second opinion required, please.
Post by: anniecat on Sunday 09 December 18 15:50 GMT (UK)
There are two Francis Eeles (of various spellings) born a few years apart.  [Information according to my family tree....]  I am sure they will be related in some way.

A relative of mine (William Pedley) married Ann Eele in 1818 at Grinton St Andrew.  Ann is sister of the Francis born 1806 in Feetham, children of James (a miner) and Ann.  Francis was a grocer who married Mary Simpson in 1832 Auckland St Helen and then Ruth Fawell in Q3 1848 Auckland.  William's children Isabella and William Pedelty are with Francis in the 1861 census.

The other Francis Eele was born c 1801 at Smarber.  He married Mary Milner in 1826 Grinton St Andrew and had 10 children and was buried at Gunnerside in 1852.