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I've been on the search for my Cleary family from Whitechurch, New Ross, Co. Wexford. I recently got into contact with some distant relatives who we all share the same great great great grandparents, Patrick Cleary (died 1907) in Whitechurch and Elizabeth Mary Cleary (nee Doyle) died (1941). I have her obituary where it lists that she came from a very popular well known family. My great grandfather, Pierce Francis Cleary (1892-1963) and his sister Marcella Hanlon (Cleary) seem to be the only siblings that came to the Chicago. Pierce moved back to Ireland once his wife, Helena passed away (1960). He also remarried a Margaret before he moved to Ireland. Everyone else (Simon, Willie, Phillip, Helena (Lena) stayed in Wexford. I found a 1933 wedding picture of Willie and his wife Bridget online, but nothing else.
I know Helena Cleary married Myles Roban of Enniscorthy. I would love to find more information on Patrick and Elizabeth Cleary!
Brittany
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Does anyone have any contact information on how I can go about getting records from a church or cemetary? It is believed that most of my family are buried at Whitechurch Cemetary, and most of the masses were held at Ballykelly Church.
I've come to a huge road block on my Great Grandfather's side. I know there are still cousins that live in Ireland as most of the family never came over to the U.S.
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Availability of burial records depends on the denomination and individual church. Few RC parishes kept death/burials in the registers in the 19th century. If headstones still exists for the plots these can sometimes give useful details, but there's no centralized web-site that covers these. I'll have a quick search and see if any photos or memorial inscriptions for Whitechurch are online anywhere..
A number of Co. Wexford parish records are available on microfilm from LDS. You can usually order these through one of their Family History centres. The pay-website at RootsIreland is adding transcripts of Co. Wexford parish record, but only have about 4 parishes so far - none for New Ross area that I know of.
see : Introduction to Irish Records (http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,442233.0.html)
Shane
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Is this your Cleary family on the 1911 census return ?
Cleary household, Whitechurch townland (http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Wexford/Whitechurch/Whitechurch/688047/)
All born Co. Wexford, Elizabeth is listed as age 46 (c1865) and a widow. If her age is accurate then her birth might just have made the start of civil records, which means there may be a birth cert...
First step though would be the marriage of Elizabeth and Patrick to establish their father's names and where they were living at the time.
Have you located Patrick and Elizabeth on the 1901 census return already ?
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seems to be the same family in 1901 - same townland as 1911, Elizabeth listed as married, but no sign of husband Patrick at home... :
Cleary household - 1901 (http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Wexford/Whitechurch/Whitechurch/1800188/)
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Yes that is my family! I actually have the obituary of Elizabeth Cleary and Mass Cards for William Cleary, Elizabeth Cleary, Patrick Cleary (died in 1907) and James Cleary (died in 1974). I do believe James is the son of Walter Cleary, but I'm not sure.
I can't find a marriage record for Patrick and Elizabeth Cleary. Their first child was Mary in 1880, so I can only assume they got married in 1879-1880.
They also listed two other boys in 1901 and 1911. Patrick and James. I can only assume they died because no obituaries list these brothers. Pierce and Marcella are the only two siblings that came to the USA. Everyone else stayed in Whitechurch or Enniscorthy.
Phillip Cleary married Ciss Keane/Kane from Moneytucker (but I have no idea what Ciss stands for) nor can I find any marriage records. They resided in Whitechurch and their family home burnt down in 1942 (i found it online). They took in Mary Molloy (nee Cleary) son, Patrick, who died in the fire.
Walter Cleary maried Mary Doyle. I do believe they had a bunch of children as I found birth records for 11 children with the last name Cleary, and mom's maiden name Doyle in New Ross from 1929-1944. But I dont know if its their kids.
Simon Cleary, no idea on anything on him (born in 1897).
Lena Cleary married Myles Roban of Enniscorthy.
Elizabeth Cleary's obituary said they were a very popular and well known family. They had servants and maids listed on the census records. but I can't find anything more.
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I had a quick look for a possible marriage on the BMD Index, but didn't find anything promising so far... Doyle is a very common surname which can be a problem.
The Church and graveyard in Whitechurch townland are Church of Ireland.
Whitechurch townland was in the the RC parish of Suttons, and the parish church was at Ballykelly as you mentioned. There is currently a graveyard behind the church, but it doesn't appear to be that old - no sign of it on c1900 maps..
Shane
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Here is Elizabeth Cleary's obituary from 1942:
The death occurred at her residence, Whitechurch, New Ross on Sunday, 2nd inst., of Mrs. Elizabeth Cleary, relict (??) of the late Patrick Cleary, an extensive farmer, well known in public and sporting life, and a member of widely connected and very popular family. The deceased, who posessed many intellectual gifts, was connected with well know families in the counties of Wexford and Kilkenny. She was sister-in-law of the late Right Rev. Monsingor (sp?) Cleary, P.P. of Petaluma, California who returned to his native place near Raheen, Adamstown some twenty -five years ago where he died. She was also a cousin of Rev. J. Meaney C.C. Kilkenny. Many members of the families of both herself and her husband have been well known in the public, professional and commercial life. She was held in great esteem by all classes and creeds. She passed away after receiving the last rites of Holy Church with exemplary resignation and religious fervour. Her family have been the recipients of the deepest sympathy. The funeral to Whitechurch Cemetary on Tuesday after Office and High Mass in Ballykelly Church was attended by a huge gathering of people from the New Ross, Ennniscorthy, Wexford and Kilkenny districts.
The chief mourners were - Mssrs. Walter, Simon, Willie and Philip Cleary (sons), Mrs. L. Roban, Enniscorthy (daughter), Mrs P. Cleary, Whitechurs; Mrs. W. Cleary, do; Mrs. W Cleary, Killesk (daughters-in-law), Mr. Myles Roban, Enniscorthy (son-in-law), Master Patk. Molloy and Niss Nannie Molloy (grandchildren), Mrs W. J. Rochem, Royal Hotel, New Ross and Mr. Wm. J Roche, do; Mr. Patrick Cleary, Ballyanne (niece and nephews); Rev. J Meaney, CC Kilkenny; Miss B. Meaney, C.C. Kilkenny; Miss B. Meaney, Ballilogue; Messrs Patric James and Con Meaney, do; Robert Barron, postmaster, Campile and ?? Barron, do.
I can only assume that "do" after each person's name, means "ditto"? I've been able to depict some of the relatives. I tried searching for Patrick's brother who was the Monsingor, but no luck on the first name.
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....The funeral to Whitechurch Cemetary on Tuesday after Office and High Mass in Ballykelly Church
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I can only assume that "do" after each person's name, means "ditto"?
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yes to do. = ditto
The sound like the Church of Ireland graveyard was used, even though your Clearys were RC. If was common to share graveyards, especially older ones. Unfortunately this means there may not be nothing included in the church records, as they usually online include those for thier own denomination - i.e. Church of Ireland.
As well as Whitechurch being the name of the townland your Clearys lived it also the name of the civil and Church of Ireland parish for the area. The Church of Ireland parish church was often located in a townland with the same name as the parish - as in this case.
Ballykelly townland is immediately north of Whitechurch townland.
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Thank you :). If someone was a Rt. Rev. Monsingor back in the day, they would not have been married? Elizabeth was the sister-in-law of the late Right Rev. Monsingor (sp?) Cleary, P.P. of Petaluma, California who returned to his native place near Raheen, Adamstown some twenty -five years ago where he died. She was also a cousin of Rev. J. Meaney C.C. Kilkenny.
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links to c1900 maps of the location mentioned :
Ballykelly RC Church (http://maps.osi.ie/publicviewer/#V1,670625,621323,7,9)
Whitechurch - CofI church & graveyard (http://maps.osi.ie/publicviewer/#V1,670828,619341,7,9)
There are no Cleary household listed in Whitechurch townland on Griffith's valuation (dated 1853 for this area), but there are two Doyles - a Philip Doyle leasing a house, offices and land of 88 acres from a William Glascott. 88 acres is a quite a sizable farm. (offices is the term used on the returns for outhouses, workshops, stables etc).
Also in the townland is a property consisting of a house and yard listed to 'John Doyle & Samuel Burchill'. Same immediate lessor as the Philip Doyle property.
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Maybe its Elizabeth's father? Elizabeth and Patrick owned a farm, per the 1901 census (and other records we have found)
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There's also a listing for a Philip Doyle in Whitechurch townland on the Tithe records with 39 acres. There's no obvious date listed on this entry, but these records date from between about 1823 to 1837. This may be the same Philip as shown on Griffith's Valuation, or possibly his father.
see Philip Doyle, Whitechurch townland (http://titheapplotmentbooks.nationalarchives.ie/search/tab/results.jsp?surname=Doyle&firstname=&county=Wexford&parish=Whitechu*&townland=Whitechu*&search=Search)
Might be connected your Cleary/Doyle family - given the location and occurrence of Phillip as name of one of Patrick and Elizabeth's children.
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I wonder if there is a relation. I noticed on the 1911 Census there were Cullertons listed on their as well as farm servants. Looking at this link you just sent me, there was a Cullerton farm as well.
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I scrolled back a few pages on the Tithes, and spotted a date in the declaration page beside a map - 16th day of October, year of 1833 See following reply...
see : Whitechurch & Dunganstown - Tithes (http://titheapplotmentbooks.nationalarchives.ie/reels/tab//004625730/004625730_00282.pdf)
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That 1833 date I mentioned is incorrect, it applies to the previous parish in the list - the declarations come after each set of listings.
Here's the correct one for Whitechurch parish - much earlier date of 28th August 1824
Whitechurch tithes (http://titheapplotmentbooks.nationalarchives.ie/reels/tab//004625730/004625730_00282.pdf)
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I dont even understand that or the photo:) Picture of the farm land? Sorry I'm new to all this ancestry and geneology stuff. I dont really understand griffiths, and the like.
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Are there any other websites that offer marriage records? Trying to find Patrick & Elizabeth's marriage, hoping to get their fathers names/mothers names
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Given age listed for Elizabeth I would expect that the marriage was well after the start of civil records in 1864, so should appear in the BMD Index, which is available on the FamilySearch website. The references on the Index can be used to order a research cert which would include the details I mentioned earlier. Father's names and occupations are on civil marriage certs - details of mother's are not included.
RC Parish records often dont include father's name - depend on the date and parish involved.
see : Details included on a Civil Marriage Cert (http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,433042.0.html)
The pay-website I mentioned doesn't include records for Suttons RC parish at the moment (which is the RC parish for Whitechurch, Ballykelly etc ).
The marriage may be listed under a variation in spelling of their names, making it difficult to locate, or possibly somewhere outside the area.. making it more difficult to spot in the listings.
Shane
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So I found this:
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/FY3K-1NR
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/FY32-QQS
Marriage record for an Eliza Doyle (which she went by) and a Patrick Cleary in 1875. The "digital file" has the same number. I'm assuming this is the marriage record.
But that would put her being only 10 years old. Did they really marry that young? in 1901, she was 36 per the census. Her daughter, Mary was 18. Mary was born in 1880.
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Nevermind, just found another marriage record for Eliza Doyle in 1880. That has to be when they got married. Makes sense. But no Patrick Cleary marriage record for that time. Only in 1875
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that's the problem with Doyle - very common surname in the east.
I was focusing on the Cleary name instead, but no prominsing matches in the the area that I found. Will try again later..
Cant think of any obvious alternate surnames or variations at the moment - other than maybe Clary ?
Elizabeth's age is fairly consistent on the two census returns, so I think probably accurate..
10 sound a little young for a marriage... I was thinking just before 1880 was a likely timeframe..
S.
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The two marriages referenced in 1875 are completely different volumes and page numbers. These would have to be the same if they had married each other.
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Phillip Cleary married Ciss Keane/Kane from Moneytucker (but I have no idea what Ciss stands for) nor can I find any marriage records.
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found a possible Probate calendar entry for one of your Clearys .. name and address are familiar ...
Deceased : Philip Cleary
Address : Whitechurch, New Ross, Co. Wexford
Date of Death : 11 May 1958
Date of App. : 21 May 1960
Date of Grant : 28 May (1960 ?)
Grantee : Mary Cleary (Wd.)
Assets : £ 434
Registry : W/ford. (Waterford)
matches up with this Index record :
Name : Philip Cleary
Event Type: Death
Quarter and Year: Apr - Jun 1958
Registration District: New Ross
Age: 57 (est. year of birth 1901)
Volume 4 / Page 373
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A Philip Cleary and a Mary Kane both have same volume and page number for a marriage in the Enniscorthy Registration district in 1940. Moneytucker would be in Enniscorthy Reg district. 'Ciss' was a type of 'pet name' - could have been used with any first name
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Wow!!! You are amazing!!! Thank you! Where did you find the Marriage record between Phillip and Mary Kane? Is there a link?
I noticed on the marriage record that ther was a Mary Kane and a Mary Keane. Could be either one, I guess right? I've seen records that he married a Keane and a Kane.
Also since that info you have above, if Mary was the grantee of Phillip, its safe to assume she was still alive in 1958, correct?
Anything on a Simon Cleary?
Also per that link, Willie Cleary married Bridget/Brigid Colfer in 1933. But I can't find any kids on them. Elizabeth Cleary's obituary said they were from Whitechurch.
or a death of a Mary Molloy (nee Cleary). She died before between 1924-1942.
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I noticed on the marriage record that ther was a Mary Kane and a Mary Keane. Could be either one, I guess right? I've seen records that he married a Keane and a Kane.
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....Where did you find the Marriage record between Phillip and Mary Kane? Is there a link?
I noticed on the marriage record that ther was a Mary Kane and a Mary Keane. Could be either one, I guess right? I've seen records that he married a Keane and a Kane.
here's a link to the marriage Index record for Philip Cleary's marriage :
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/FYKP-1ZV
Two records appear on the Index with the same references, i.e. year/quarter, registration district, volume & page - one for a Mary Kane (https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/FYKT-TZJ), the other for a Mary Keane (https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/FYKT-N4H) - probably her name was indexed twice for the same marriage, as these are effectively just variations of the same name.
A cert from the GRO would give you the rest of the details. See :
Ordering Certs from GRO Roscommon (http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,599538.0.html)
Details included on a Marriage Cert (http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,433042.0.html)
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Also since that info you have above, if Mary was the grantee of Phillip, its safe to assume she was still alive in 1958, correct?
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Yes
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Anything on a Simon Cleary?
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There are a number Simon Cleary BMD references with New Ross as the district. Links to search results dont work any more on FamilySearch, but if you select the BMD Index (https://familysearch.org/search/collection/1408347) on FamilySearch, enter firstname Simon, surname Cleary, click the 'Any' option, and enter New Ross in the 'Any Place' field, and click search - you will see a number of Births, Marriages, and Deaths in the area, that would be would considering for your Simon
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Also per that link, Willie Cleary married Bridget/Brigid Colfer in 1933. But I can't find any kids on them. Elizabeth Cleary's obituary said they were from Whitechurch.
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Details or searches for living, or possibility living, people are not permitted in posts, but you can search the BMD Index yourself for possible children of children of Willie and Bridget, and order certs to check if they match. Narrow down your search by mother's Maiden surname, and registration district (e.g. New Ross for Whitechurch) to reduce the possible matches.
Shane
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Thank you again!
I know William and Bridget (Colfer) are deceased. If they had children, there is a good chance some of them are still alive as they got married in 1933, or they may have just recently passed. But again, Bridget is a common name, as well as Cleary in the Wexford area. I have William's mass card identifying his death.
I found another family tree identifying that a Simon Cleary married a Catherine Gannon, but the dates don't seem to match up. (They have the same other relatives on their tree, they just haven't contacted me back). I dont think its the right Simon, as it may be Patrick Cleary's brother, or cousin.
Oh how I wish my grandmother was still alive so I could ask some more questions!
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A Simon Cleary died in the New Ross Registration district in 1958 with a suggested birth date of 1898 so that could be your Simon. A Simon Cleary has same volume number and page number as a Katie Gannon for a marriage in New Ross area 1st Quarter 1895 so that is probably the one you found.
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Yes, thank you. I did find that one, as he's the only Simon Cleary from New Ross that died after 1933 (he was pictured in a wedding photograph at that time) and his mother's obituary in 1942 lists that he attended. I did put that as his date of death.
Was it common to only list children that actually attended the funeral/mass in obituaries? My great grandfather, Pierce and his sister Marcella, were in Chicago. They didn't fly back for Elizabeth Cleary's funeral. I just wonder if there was a falling out with the family as they were the only 2 siblings that immigrated to the states.
I also found a military death record for a Patrick Cleary in 1916 from Wexford. I do believe that's another sibling of Pierce's. Especially since he was listed in the 1911 census. I also found a James Cleary death record in 1914, another sibling. I just don't know if Patrick and/or James immigrated, or if they also stayed in Wexford.
The Cleary family really is a puzzle, but so interesting since they were a popular family back in the day. Thats why I'm trying to find out about all my great aunts and uncles!
Mary Cleary (another sibling) married a Michael Molloy. They had Patrick Molloy (he died in 1942 in a fire) and Nannie Molloy. I can't find anything on a Nannie Molloy. I'm not sure if its another pet name or if Nannie was her first name.
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Yes, thank you. I did find that one, as he's the only Simon Cleary from New Ross that died after 1933 (he was pictured in a wedding photograph at that time) and his mother's obituary in 1942 lists that he attended. I did put that as his date of death.
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just to note that the online version of the BMD Index only covers up 1958.
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Oh, I didn't know that. Thank you. So he could have lived a lot longer, as his approx age in 1958 was 61.
Thanks for that.
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I wrote another post below, but hoping that maybe someone can help me find more information on them. According to Elizabeth Mary Cleary (nee Doyle) obituary, she came from a well known and popular family. See obituary below:
The death occurred at her residence, Whitechurch, New Ross on Sunday, 2nd inst., of Mrs. Elizabeth Cleary, relict (??) of the late Patrick Cleary, an extensive farmer, well known in public and sporting life, and a member of widely connected and very popular family. The deceased, who posessed many intellectual gifts, was connected with well know families in the counties of Wexford and Kilkenny. She was sister-in-law of the late Right Rev. Monsingor (sp?) Cleary, P.P. of Petaluma, California who returned to his native place near Raheen, Adamstown some twenty -five years ago where he died. She was also a cousin of Rev. J. Meaney C.C. Kilkenny. Many members of the families of both herself and her husband have been well known in the public, professional and commercial life. She was held in great esteem by all classes and creeds. She passed away after receiving the last rites of Holy Church with exemplary resignation and religious fervour. Her family have been the recipients of the deepest sympathy. The funeral to Whitechurch Cemetary on Tuesday after Office and High Mass in Ballykelly Church was attended by a huge gathering of people from the New Ross, Ennniscorthy, Wexford and Kilkenny districts.
The chief mourners were - Mssrs. Walter, Simon, Willie and Philip Cleary (sons), Mrs. L. Roban, Enniscorthy (daughter), Mrs P. Cleary, Whitechurs; Mrs. W. Cleary, do; Mrs. W Cleary, Killesk (daughters-in-law), Mr. Myles Roban, Enniscorthy (son-in-law), Master Patk. Molloy and Niss Nannie Molloy (grandchildren), Mrs W. J. Rochem, Royal Hotel, New Ross and Mr. Wm. J Roche, do; Mr. Patrick Cleary, Ballyanne (niece and nephews); Rev. J Meaney, CC Kilkenny; Miss B. Meaney, C.C. Kilkenny; Miss B. Meaney, Ballilogue; Messrs Patric James and Con Meaney, do; Robert Barron, postmaster, Campile and ?? Barron, do.
The last paragraph is torn but I think it mentions all of the priests who attended...
,,,,,,,At the Office and High Mass Rev Canon Redmond, P.P, Horsey presided,
I also found a wedding picture of Elizabeth's son, William Cleary from 1933 online by googling some of the family. http://homepage.eircom.net/~horeswoodns/memorylane11.htm
Obviously they were well known, due to having a wedding photo in the family history section of the school's page. No one just puts a random family up.
I have found all the siblings due to the 1901 and 1911 census. What i'm really looking for is records on Elizabeth Mary Doyle and Patrick Cleary. Their first daughter was born in 1880, Mary. I can't find their marriage record. Elizabeth was born around 1862-1865 and Patrick around 1852.
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On Familysearch.org I found this:
Name: Patrick Cleary
Event Type: Death
Quarter/Year : Oct - Dec 1907
Registration District: New Ross
Age: 57 (est. year of birth 1850)
Volume : 4 / Page: 435
How do I go about trying to order the birth certificate or death certificate? Will/Should they list the parents names?
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death certs do not include details of parents, except sometimes in the case of death of children when a parent is the informant. Civil registration of births started in 1864, so no birth cert will be available for this person.
The place of death, occupation of the deceased, and details of the informant can provide clues to help establish, or rule out, a connection.
see: Ordering Certs from GRO Roscommon (http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,599538.0.html)
Details included on a Death Cert (http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,433043.0.html)
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Ok thanks. Since its just an estimated birth year, is it even worth trying to obtain a birth certificate? I haven't found any birth notice/record yet on him.
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Ok thanks. Since its just an estimated birth year, is it even worth trying to obtain a birth certificate? ....
not - unless you think his age at death might be overestimated by 14 years. The year of birth is based on reported age at death - might be worth checking who that is. A close family member is possibly more likely to be accurate.
I would start the search based on the approx. 1850 date of birth and try to match that up in parish records, comparing against details from his marriage cert and other clues - e.g. census.
I've seen ages out by 10 years, but not as much as 14, but the problem is if the age is unreliable then you would need some other clues to see if this is the James Cleary that you are actually searching for...
Have you found this James on the 1901 census ?
His location might help - he may be nowhere near Whitechurch (New Ross district covered a wide area )
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Ok thanks. Since its just an estimated birth year, is it even worth trying to obtain a birth certificate? I haven't found any birth notice/record yet on him.
very few Wexford parish records online a the moment so not surprising there are no baptism matches showing up for the 1850s.
I would treat any later record giving age or date of birth as an estimate..the source you need is a birth cert or baptism record.
p.s. One detail to bear in mind is that New Ross district also covered parts of Counties Kilkenny and Carlow.
link to additional thread : Doyle/ Barron (http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,645543.0.html)
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Hi there, Hope you dont mind just stumbled across this thread. I also have been having struggles with the Doyle name, so common in Wexford!! Ive hit a brick wall at my Great Great Grandfather Thomas Doyle and seem to be stuck for the past number of years!! No idea when he was born or died, who he married or if he had more children other than just my Great Grandad. I just know his name was on my Great Grandfather Patrick Doyles Marriage Cert to Elizabeth Barnewell in 1911. My aunt believes that my relatives are buried in whitechurch, whether that's correct or not im unsure. My relatives would have come from Horetown in Foulksmills, and I'm Just curious as to whether the whitechurch area would be near the Foulksmills area? And any idea how to narrow down the Doyle name, I just seem to be coming across alot of irrelevant info. I did strangely enough stumble across a photograph of a man named James Barnewell, no idea if he was a relative of Eliza or not but had an uncanny resemblance to my Grandfather and even my own Dad!! Strange the things you would find! Any help or advice on getting passed a brick wall would be great if you have any! cheers!
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http://www.distancesfrom.com/
re distance from Whitechurch, New Ross to Foulksmills, the link calculates 23km. :)
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I've been on the search for my Cleary family from Whitechurch, New Ross, Co. Wexford. I recently got into contact with some distant relatives who we all share the same great great great grandparents, Patrick Cleary (died 1907) in Whitechurch and Elizabeth Mary Cleary (nee Doyle) died (1941). I have her obituary where it lists that she came from a very popular well known family. My great grandfather, Pierce Francis Cleary (1892-1963) and his sister Marcella Hanlon (Cleary) seem to be the only siblings that came to the Chicago. Pierce moved back to Ireland once his wife, Helena passed away (1960). He also remarried a Margaret before he moved to Ireland. Everyone else (Simon, Willie, Phillip, Helena (Lena) stayed in Wexford. I found a 1933 wedding picture of Willie and his wife Bridget online, but nothing else.
I know Helena Cleary married Myles Roban of Enniscorthy. I would love to find more information on Patrick and Elizabeth Cleary!
Brittany
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Hi bmk923
I am related to you. My grandfather is Walter Cleary and my grandmother Mary Doyle. They had 7 children: Patrick Cleary He died in his 40's. Margaret (Peggie)Cleary she is still alive and lives in Ballykelly just outside New Ross. James (also died in his 40's) and Joseph ( also died in his 40's) They all resided in New Ross. Then there was Elizabeth Cleary she married Barry Goodland and moved to England. She is still alive. Then my mother Mary who married Michael Lanigan in 1955 and moved first to England and then to Australia wher my brother Michael and myself still live. Sadly my mum passed away in 2012. She always used to talk about "aunt Ciss" which I think is a diminutive of Cecilia. She used to help out my grandmother and my mum loved her dearly. Then the last child was Simon or "Sim". He lived into his late 40's early 50's. Aunt Lena was my grandfather's sister. She was nvolved in the Republican movement and I beleive she spent some time in Kilmainham jail Dublin. Uncle Willie movedo Fremantle in Australia which is why you cant find him. Hope that helps. Please chat back we must be third cousins or something. Regards Mary
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Hi there, Hope you dont mind just stumbled across this thread. I also have been having struggles with the Doyle name, so common in Wexford!! Ive hit a brick wall at my Great Great Grandfather Thomas Doyle and seem to be stuck for the past number of years!! No idea when he was born or died, who he married or if he had more children other than just my Great Grandad. I just know his name was on my Great Grandfather Patrick Doyles Marriage Cert to Elizabeth Barnewell in 1911. My aunt believes that my relatives are buried in whitechurch, whether that's correct or not im unsure. My relatives would have come from Horetown in Foulksmills, and I'm Just curious as to whether the whitechurch area would be near the Foulksmills area? And any idea how to narrow down the Doyle name, I just seem to be coming across alot of irrelevant info. I did strangely enough stumble across a photograph of a man named James Barnewell, no idea if he was a relative of Eliza or not but had an uncanny resemblance to my Grandfather and even my own Dad!! Strange the things you would find! Any help or advice on getting passed a brick wall would be great if you have any! cheers!
This thread is about the other Whitechurch, the one near New Ross.
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Hi I’m a Doyle from Foulksmills, and my family all came from Foulksmills, a lot still alive today, if you want I could try find some info
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Welcome to RootsChat, steph1012 :)
My relatives would have come from Horetown in Foulksmills...
I’m a Doyle from Foulksmills, and my family all came from Foulksmills...
Horetown North (and South) on the outskirts of Foulksmills.
https://www.townlands.ie/wexford/shelmaliere-west/horetown/horetown/horetown-north/
https://www.openstreetmap.org/relation/3241558#map=12/52.3215/-6.8393
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Hi I’m a Doyle from Foulksmills, and my family all came from Foulksmills, a lot still alive today, if you want I could try find some info
Very kind of you to offer. But this is a different Doyle family and location that in the original query that started this all off. If the poster you are replying to is still around, I think it would be best to start up a new thread to pursue this. Just my opinion.