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Daniel Collingwood, Edward Henry's GREAT GREAT Grandson
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{Where they weep and suffer and sin no more }
Old Hong Kong
DEATH AND BURIAL OF EDWARD HENRY COLLINGWOOD 24th October-1878
Inscriptions for cemetery sections 17-47
... of given rows and columns within each section. "Inscription" shows the text copied from the inscription on the gravestone. ...
Edward Collingwood/ carpenter British ship Dhaewar/ born at Blackway/ died at Hong Kong 24th October 1878/ aged 51 years/ this stone is erected by his/ shipmates as a mark of esteem where they weep and suffer and sin no more. 29---/01/20- Edward Collingwood/ carpenter British ship Dhaewar/ born ...?
https://service.mail.com/dereferrer/?target=http%3A%2F%2Fgwulo.com%2Fnode%2F8741&lang=en
List of Burials ordered by Name
... a note of the Plot for a given grave, you can look up its inscription. See the pages listed in the menu at the top-left corner of this ... Collingwood Edward 1878-10-24 51 5930 29---/01/20-
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?(Born Blackwall aged 61-)
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Tuckers Court Alley was at the most southern end of Dingle Lane and Dolphin Lane. Adjacent to Tuckers court in proximity to the Poplar Workhouse was an open sewer running straight into the W.India dock. This 'open' sewer was a link to the 18th century and endured the name "Rolling Turd Alley"
From here it was just a short 10mins WALK to West India Docks and the famous ship building DUNBAR WHARF in Fore Street (now Narrow St, Limehouse and the infamous Ropemakers Fields) where Edward Henry and his dad (John the ropemaker) WORKED as a shipwright, probably until Duncan Dunbar died in 1862. It seems from here Edward moved to Cawdor Street closer to the East India Docks where he could embark on his many ship voyages.
http://www.british-history.ac.uk/report.aspx?compid=46471
Dingle Lane and Dingle Lane School (demolished).
Dingle Lane, to the east of No. 30, was one of the ways from the High Street to the Isle of Dogs until the southern part was removed by the construction of the West India Docks. There was some building along it by the early eighteenth century, (ref. 357) and in the early nineteenth century Tucker's Court (begun by Thomas Hale) and Dingle Court were built on its south side. (ref. 358) They consisted of a double row of 14 back-to-back two-storey cottages, each with two rooms and a kitchen or scullery.
http://www.merchantnetworks.com.au/periods/1800after/1800dunbar.htm
Edward and John were very well paid in the employ of Duncan Dunbar.....nb shipwrights the ships tariff of 64 shares divided among crew...remnants of days of (piracy?). A ships carpenter below 1st mate was the second best paid job on ships compliment.
The great ship builders of the 17th and 18th centuries came from Durham and Scotland. The Collingwoods of Durham were mostly sea farers, 'MASTER MARINERS' AND ship builders and came to London after the English Civil WAR...A line of Collingwoods held office as The High Sheriffs of Northumberland, more research is needed to find our connections here.
BUT one thing stands out...the early Collingwoods of the 15th to the 18th centuries, the Williams, the Johns and Edwards all seem to be wealthier than their later shipworking descendants.
They came to London and spread throughout the World and some made money from legal or illegal piracy/privateering. There is scant evidence that this 'bounty' the pirates share has been used to finance the apprenticeships of their descendants and many traditions of the Golden Age of the Pirates have been carried down through three centuries into the shipping industry ! The pirates 'code' of sharing the bounty and helping those on board that become retired through ill health or injury lends this tradition as a forerunner to today's unions! How else did they make the money in those days for highly skilled training of shipwrights and in some cases the financing of 'Victuallers Stores' and Inns around the Wapping and Ratcliffe areas of Stepney? How did they form the 'closed' shop of the father to son in the Dock Trade and the Guilds of Shipwrights, Sawyers, Cordwainers and Ropemakers?
Admiral Nelson utilized Swedish ropemaking techniques to be used in the roperies of Limehouse and a contingency of Swedish volunteers enlisted on Nelson's ships at Trafalgar to maintain the correct application of roping....there is something quite intriguing about our historical past in the ship and dock trades, my research may take me further...
Daniel Collingwood, Edward Henry's direct Great-Great-Grandson
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http://www.oldbaileyonline.org/browse.jsp?id=t18480515-1350&div=t18480515-1350&terms=EDWARD|HENRY|COLLINGWOOD#highlight
EDWARD HENRY COLLINGWOOD. I am in the employ of a shipwright I was employed in taking some copper off the ship Earl Grey, belonging to Mr. Duncan Dunbar—I threw the copper on the punt—I can swear to all this copper, except two pieces—it came off that ship—two of these pieces in particular I can swear to, and the other I have no doubt of—they were all in the punt, which was under the ship's acting as a stage for me to work at the vessel—I know this piece by my own marking on it, and this one by its acting as a brace under the pump case.
http://www.british-history.ac.uk/report.aspx?compid=46508
Edward Henry's father was John Collingwood, 1776 - 1821.
..he was only 45yrs and i believe he died from a lung related illness from his trade as a ropemaker?
John Tucker's whitelead paint yard was almost within the ropeyards .Ropes were
tarred for protection against seawater and the mills were within the
same 'yards.' Most industry workers died of lung diseases especially
those involving tarring and whitelead paintmaking. I'm only guessing
but at around 1810 the rope industry was tough and i think John took
work close to his home in Tuckers Court Alley where his son Edward
Henry also grew up and worked as a shipwright. Edward moved closer to
the East India Docks so that he could embark to sea from there working
on ships and to escape the perils his dad endured with dangerous
chemicals. Edward was 4yrs old when his dad John died in 1821. He moved to No.6 Cawdor St, WHICH is covered by the entrance of the Blackwall Tunnel Approach, A12 (part of the old
Brunswick Rd, that runs to my dad's last home in St Leonards St. E3
As far as i can deduce Edward moved from Cawdor St, to Ellerthorpe St, which was cleared in 1951 for the new Lansbury Market project. Ellerthorpe St continued on from Ricardo St,THROUGH TO THE CURRENT market entrance.
His children, ie my Great-grandfather, Alfred Daniel,b 1846 were i believed born at Tuckers Court Alley.This place was close to the Poplar Workhouse and was also home for some rough 'Irish Cockneys'.
My grand father Alfred Daniel, b 1879 was never seen by his grandfather Edward Henry who died in Hong Kong the year before he was born, 1878. I am trying to establish the Collingwood connections with historical events eg the English Civil War, The High Sheriffs of Northumberland, Trafalgar, the pubs around Wapping, and the possibility that some may have sailed on pirate ships including Captain William Kydd.
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Edward Colliness
John Collings.
Seafarers
These are two members of William Kidd's crew. I make no excuse or fanciful claims that any of our ancestors sailed with Kidd but many so called pirates were in fact hired as privateers, a legal term used to plunder for the Realm. Family men and fathers and sons or brothers often joined up for a chance to make a one off trip to a fortune !
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/handcousins/message/6821
Most people were illiterate and couldn't even spell their own names. Seafarers, EMBARKING
on a get rich quick journey with promises of a share of the 'bounty' of a PRIVATEER, often did so with a certain amount of caution should their captain (and therefore , crew) be outlawed?
IT wasn't unusual for crew to enlist using a synonym or a slight change of name, just in case they jumped ship in some obscure port or transferred to a homeward bound ship?
Most people that could not write or spell often used 'x' or partial spelling of the name!
Collingwoods, Collingsworths often shortened to plain Collins or Collings.
I have never heard of Colliness, this name is rare, yet an Edward Colliness and John Collings sailed with KIDD? Were they brothers or father and son? Was Collings really John Collingwood that married Mary Barker at St.Dunstans, in 1697 ?
Did he change ship and return to England by request of KIDD for those that feared prosecution? There is evidence that some of the crew changed to a plundered Danish merchant ship off the West Coast of Africa after KIDD killed John Moore with a wooden bucket, in disgust at Kidd's crime (for which he was eventually hanged)
Did he witness the execution of KIDD at Wapping in 1701 ?
Many fanciful questions but with more research we may learn more.
I believe that John Collingwood that married Mary Barker at St.Dunstans, in 1697 ndand was the first of the Collingwoods to be mentioned at St Dunstons a may be John the Sawyer's (1737-1796) grandfather (the father is listed as an upholsterer), the missing link?
Edward Henry's GREAT GREAT Grandfather could have sailed with William Kidd, got his pirates 'share' and profited to good purpose.
Edward Henry is my direct GREAT GREAT Grandfather ....and we can dream, as they must have done ?
http://brethrencoast.com/bio/William_Kidd.html
http://www.nintendoplayer.com/Pirates!/realpirates.htm
http://www.thewayofthepirates.com/famous-pirates/william-kidd.php
enjoy...Daniel
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THE HIGH SHERIFFS OF NORTHUMBERLAND from the 11th century
to the present day
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/High_Sheriff_of_Northumberland
1544 Sir John Collingwood of Eslington Hall
1551 Sir Robert Collingwood of Eslington Hall
1568 Cuthbert Collingwood
1580 Cuthbert Collingwood
1647 Edward Collingwood of Dissington Hall
1697 Edward Collingwood of Dissington Hall
1725 Alexander Collingwood of Little Ryle
1761 Alexander Collingwood of Unthank Hall
1766 Henry Collingwood of Cornhill
1787 Edward Collingwood of Chirton Hall
1793 Henry Collingwood of Liburn Tower
http://www.british-towns.net/sh/statelyhomes_album.asp?GetPic=48
1824 Edward Collingwood of Dissington Hall
1832 Henry John William Collingwood of Liburn Tower
1844 Edward John Collingwood of Liburn Tower
1919 Edward Gordon Collingwood of Dissington Hall
1937 Edward Foyle Collingwood of Liburn Tower
Researchers tracing back our line of Collingwoods may find this helpful
Sir Daniel Collingwood of Brandon
http://books.google.co.uk/books?id=-RtNAAAAMAAJ&pg=PA17&lpg=PA17&dq=Sir+Daniel+Collingwood&source=bl&ots=4sJnAmf48I&sig=WKBQPuEIK4nbcJsP2ujU87wW99A&hl=en&sa=X&ei=oRhrUYvYNMiV0QXopICQAQ&sqi=2&ved=0CC8Q6AEwAA#v=onepage&q=Sir%20Daniel%20Collingwood&f=false
http://books.google.co.uk/books?id=k9wKAAAAYAAJ&pg=PA336&lpg=PA336&dq=Sir+Daniel+Collingwood&source=bl&ots=5U9Yr5vR8p&sig=DwSBuM-96dy_3F8e7GV9u4wUPyY&hl=en&sa=X&ei=oRhrUYvYNMiV0QXopICQAQ&sqi=2&ved=0CD0Q6AEwAw#v=onepage&q=Sir%20Daniel%20Collingwood&f=false
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Edward John Collingwood1
M, #360705, d. 20 February 1895
http://www.thepeerage.com/p36071.htm
Edward John Collingwood married Anna Burdett, daughter of Arthur Burdett and Anna Ripley, on 23 August 1842.1 He died on 20 February 1895.1
He lived at Churton House, Northumberland, England.1 He lived at Lilburn Tower, Northumberland, England.1
Citations
[S47] Hugh Montgomery-Massingberd, editor, Burke's Irish Family Records (London, U.K.: Burkes Peerage Ltd, 1976), page 182. Hereinafter cited as Burke's Irish Family Records.
http://www.british-towns.net/sh/statelyhomes_album.asp?GetPic=48
The High Sheriffs of Northumberland from the 11th century to the present of which 16 Collingwoods held office between 1544 to 1937
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/High_Sheriff_of_Northumberland
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I have been trying to establish how my G-G-Grandpa, Edward Henry Collingwood died and have not had a lot of success except his demise and burial in Hong Kong. What follows is supposition...I have heard of stories that he died at sea and probably did, however, his job as a shipwright would have took him to all sectors of ship maintenance including upkeep of timbers, decking, outboard rigging, fixtures and repairs to the hull. He could have been working on the outside of the hull suspended by rope-tackle or a safety harness.
IF this was emergency repairs and out at sea he could have slipped his harness into the sea and drowned but the question remains...how did he get recovered by his shipmates. Unless he was still attached to ropes and they pulled him in,either dead or died later.
If they were well out at sea, say, more than 4 days from port, then most likely he would have been buried at sea. We know he was buried in Hong Kong, so the ship was either close in to port or actually in port.
IF hull-ship repairs are not too urgent they are usually done when port is reached.
I believe he died in port by falling into the sea whilst repairing the hull. He could have been fatally injured while falling from his harness. He may simply have died through sickness or ill health?
It may have been some time before his body was found floating in the Hong Kong harbour.
Lastly...his closest shipmates, possibly two and the First Mate would have passed the news on to his family in person many, many months after his death when the ship arrived back, if it did. Maybe a couple of his 'mates' embarked back to England on another ship to give the news to his children* living at Blackwall, Ellerthorpe St?
The last port of call for the Dhaewar may not have been Hong Kong. Either way ships sailing to the Middle and Far east would have been on a round trip of 12 -18 months or more if sailing to the newest colony, Australia, especially if transportees (prisoners) were on board?
*I believe Edward's wife,Ann Merritt died in 1876 ? His son Alfred Daniel appears to have been by now, the head of the household at 11, Ellerthorpe St or Dee St at this time.
This could explain the theory that he died in 1880...the delay in getting news back home?
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A charming and wonderful account of the Blackwall Frigates: by Basil Lubbock of hurried journeys and of the quest for adventure and the lust of gold. The Dunbar ships and Money Wigram.
(click at bottom of each page to read more)
Dicky Green.
The famous Dicky Green, the elder of the two
brothers, R. and H. Green, was an example of the very
best type of private shipowner. His name was known
and revered in shipping circles all over the world.
The bronze statue before the Public Baths in the East
India Dock Road stands as a proof of his popularity in
Blackwall. His charities indeed were wholesale. He
was a bit of an invalid from birth and thus left a great
deal of the practical side of the business to his brother
Henry, who had been trained both as a shipwright and
a seaman. Thus Dicky Green had more spare time,
and he delighted to wander about Poplar, his favourite
hound. Hector, at his heels and a crowd of ragged street
urchins in his wake. He always wore waistcoats with
very capacious pockets and from one of these pockets he
was wont to distribute sixpences to the old people at the
almshouses, whilst from the other he produced sweets for
the children. In his charities and philanthropic work
he worthily upheld the name of his father George, to
whom Poplar was indebted for Green's Sailors Home,
the Trinity Schools, the Trinity Chapel and the alms-
houses, to mention the chief only of his gifts to the East End.
http://www.ebooksread.com/authors-eng/basil-lubbock/the-blackwall-frigates-bbu/page-8-the-blackwall-frigates-bbu.shtml
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Joseph Somes was one of the promoters of Lloyd's
Register. In his old age he was partnered by his sons,
and the firm at his death disguised itself under the name
of the Merchant Shipping Company.
T. & W. Smith.
In the history of the Calcutta and Madras
passenger trade, T. & W. Smith, of Newcastle, rank on
an equality with Green aud Wigram.
The firm was founded as far back as the beginning
of the nineteenth century by Thomas Smith, one of
the Smiths, of Togstone, in Northumberland, who,
having served an apprenticeship with a Newcastle
ropemaker, eventually, like George Green at Blackwall,
married his master's daughter and succeeded to his
business. This example of the good apprentice had
two sons, Thomas, born in 1783, and William, born in
1787. The elder joined his father as a ropemaker,
whilst the youngest was apprenticed to William Rowe,
at that time the largest shipbuilder on the Tyne.
108 THE BLACKWALL FRIGATES
In 1808, the year William Smith completed his
apprenticeship, Rowe launched the largest ship ever
built on the Tyne— H.M.S. Bucephalus, a 32 -gun
frigate, measuring 970 tons.
Two years later old Thomas Smith bought Rowe's
business and, taking his two sons into partnership,
founded the shipbuilding firm of Smith & Sons, though
he still continued the ropemaking business with his
eldest son.
The Smiths had not been long in the business before
they turned their attention to the bu'.lding of Indiamen,
at that time almost the monopoly of the Blackwall
Yard. Curiously enough, their first Indiaman was the
Duke of Roxburgh, of 417 tons burthen, built to the
order of their rivals, Green & VVigram.
She was followed by the George Green, also to the
order of the famous Blackwall firm and launched on
Boxing Day, 26th December, 1829. This ship, accord-
ing to a contemporary account, was considered the finest
passenger-carrying merchantman ever built on the Tyne
at that date and the equal of any London-built ship.
She measured 568 tons burthen on a length of 135 feet,
was "frigate -built" and "fitted up with much elegance
for the carrying of passengers." Her life, however,
was a short one, as she was lost on her way to
London from the Tyne. Smith's next Indiamen
was the Duke of Northumberland, of 600 tons burthen,
launched 28th February, 1831. It was soon after this,
however, that the Newcastle firm commenced running
ships of their own to Madras and Calcutta in competition
with Green and Wigram.
(click the Nos. at bottom of each page to read more)
http://www.ebooksread.com/authors-eng/basil-lubbock/the-blackwall-frigates-bbu/page-8-the-blackwall-frigates-bbu.shtml
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(1876–1944) married (1912) Dorothy Mary Thynne née Warner (d.1944). Educated at Eton College, he went to Canada in the gold rush in 1897, and came home round Cape Horn as an ordinary seaman. This was the experience which informed such fiction as Jack Derringer: A Tale of Deep Water (1906), set on a ‘Yankee hell-ship’ with much unconvincing dialect. The first hundred pages or so read like an essay about life at sea; then Lubbock remembers that it is a novel and adds a villain and a heroine. In the second part the hero falls overboard and has some adventures in the company of a cowboy before settling down with his pure woman. Deep Sea Warriors (1909) is similar. Lubbock later fought in the Boer War and the First World War, in which he won the MC, and published a number of non-fictional works about maritime history. He was a keen yachtsman. The writer Percy Lubbock (1879–1965) was his first cousin.
http://www.archive.org/stream/blackwallfrigate00lubb2/blackwallfrigate00lubb2_djvu.txt
http://archive.org/stream/colonialclippers00lubbrich/colonialclippers00lubbrich_djvu.txt
Read more: http://www.answers.com/topic/basil-lubbock#ixzz2Rt383LNZ
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The 19th century stevedores and dockers picked their gangs consisting of eight men. They would converge on the dockside and the 'ganger' would pick his men using his experience. Edward Henry would have seen this process many times not knowing that his decendants, the Alfred Daniels, 1st, 2nd and 3rd, would all become stevedores !
Here, Basil Lubbock describes how ships crew were 'hand' picked in similar fashion and how the crew joined the 'pecking order of 'perks'
pages 66-68
66 THE BLACKWALL FRIGATES
The chief officer was allowed 2 firkins of butter, 1 cwt.
of cheese, 1 cwt. of grocery, and 4 quarter cases of
pickles as extra provisions ; the proportions of the other
officers being on the same scale as the wine.
The captain was given two personal servants; the
chief officer, second officer, surgeon, bosun, gunner and
carpenter were each giv^en a servant. No wonder that
the Merchant Service was sought after by the highest
in the land.
The Foremast Hands of an Indiaman.
The crew of the Thames are not yet on board,
though they had been chosen before she hauled out of
dock. The business of signing on had been carried out
on board, for the day of shipping offices had not arrived.
The time — 11 a.m. — had been posted up in the main
rigging, and when the hour arrived there were perhaps
two or three hundred men on the docks ide. Most of
these men owed their advance notes to Hart, the Jew,
a noted Ratcliffe Highway slopshop keeper and cashier
of advance notes at high rates. His runners usually
contrived to get their men in the front rank so as to
catch the eyes of the first and second officers and boat-
swain, who, in picking the crew, soon showed themselves
to be expert judges of sailormen.
The pay for foremast hands was 35s. a month; the
advance, which was two months' pay, was at once
pounced upon by the Jews, but Jack boasted that on a
sou-Spainer bound to a warm climate he only needed a
stockingful of clothes. However, it was noticeable
that even if a man came aboard without a sea chest, he
always had his ditty bag, which contained his marlin-
spike, fid, palm and needles, bullock's horn of grease
and serving board.
FOREMAST HANDS 67
In those days there was no mistaking a seaman for
a landsman. He may perhaps be best described as
a full-grown man with the heart of a child. His
simplicity was on a par with his strength of limb, and
his endurance was as extraordinary as his coolness and
resource in moments of emergency or stress.
In appearance he was recognisable anywhere, not only
for the peculiar marks of the sea and the characteristics
of his kind, but for his length and breadth of limb.
In height he towered over the landsman of his age,
whilst his shoulders occupied the space of two landsmen
in a crowd, and his handshake was something to be
avoided by people with weak bones.
His dress was distinctive of his calling, the nearest
approach to it being the rig of the present day man-of-
war's man. He had, however, a fondness for striped
cotton in shirt and trouser, and when he did consent to
cover his feet sported pumps with big brass buckles
instead of clumsy boots. The black neckerchief came
in of course at Nelson 's funeral, being a sign of mourning
for the little Admiral.
As to headgear, his shiny black tarpaulin hat seems
to have become entirely extinct, and the gaily coloured
handkerchief, which was usually wound round the head
in action, would cause one to suspect its wearer of aping
the pirate in these sober-bued days.
Having had a prowl round the ship, seen our furniture
placed in our cabin, and drunk a glass of wine with the
purser, we finally leave the Indiaman and pull back
through the shipping on the first of the flood.
An Indiaman leaving Gravesend.
A fortnight later we find the Thames lying at
Gravesend with the Blue Peter flying. We get aboard
and then spend our time watching the busy scene.
http://www.archive.org/stream/blackwallfrigate00lubb2/blackwallfrigate00lubb2_djvu.txt
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Was Edward Henry infatuated with the great Australian Gold Rush which began in the 1850's ?
I believe he was and on many of his journeys he learnt more. I also wondered if he got his ideas from deportees sent to Australia (of which one Patrick Kerr) he stood as witness at the old bailey on 15th May 1848 the case of simple larceny of the theft of copper from a ship -Earl Grey
Ships carpenters in those days were second only to the first mate and received perks in the pecking order of the ships compliment. Some shipwrights were afforded a lacky or servant helper, so EH was held in high esteem by his shipmates?
He would have seen some terrible sights in 1850-1870 Australia of convicts running loose over uncharted territory, uncaptured and searching for gold. The early townships would have been, in some cases worse than living in Poplar. Any hopes of settling here in Oz may have been only a dream.
His last fatal voyage in the Dharwar(Dhaewar?) in 1877-8 was probably taken with a heavy heart as now he was a widower after the death of his wife in 1876, Ann Merritt. I suspect after 20yrs of his first voyages, now he was going to try his hand in a much more modern and civilized Australia ? Possibly with the view of bringing his children over at a later stage? Alas, it wasn't to be !
We know he was buried in Hong Kong, so the ship was either close in to port or actually in port. IF hull-ship repairs are not too urgent they are usually done when port is reached.
I believe he died in port by falling into the sea whilst repairing the hull. It may have been some time before his body was found floating in the Hong Kong harbour.
His shipmates along with the 1st officer would have taken his body to Old-Hong Kong infirmary in a cart hired from the locals. Certification of cause of death by the coroner and then registration of death. His men, possibly the whole crew and captain would have held a short service at the local church where he was then interred in O-HK churchyard, believe October 1878. A head-stone was bought by his men. Details of old Edward's ID to the registrar in H-K MAY HAVE BEEN GIVEN BY WHAT THEY KNEW OF HIM rather that by official documents which may not have been on hand, hence the sketchy report of him being from Blackway(Blackwall), aged 51yrs(did he tell his pals he was 51 in fact he was 61). His middle name,Henry has been omitted on the cemetry documentation...maybe his mates didn't know his middle name.
Lastly...his closest shipmates, possibly two and the First Mate would have passed the news on to his family in person many, many months after his death when the ship arrived back if it did, maybe a couple of his mates embarked back to England on another ship to give the news to his children living at Blackwall, Ellerthorpe St?
This could explain the theory that he died in 1880...the delay in getting news back home?
One interesting thing to ponder on...shipwrights in those days sometimes made a couple of spare coffins along with the ships main carpenters. As Edward was a skilled carpenter.....did he make his own coffin?
...Daniel Collingwood...i'll post again when i find more on all of our ancestors!
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I have located the crew list of the DHARWAR -1878.
http://mariners.records.nsw.gov.au/1878/05/032dha.htm
She left London for Sydney 14th May 1878. It is not certain if the DHARWAR participated in the tea trade to Hong Kong and Shanghai. BUT she pulled into Hong Kong to bury my dear old great-great-grand-dad-Edward Henry.Around 1875-77 tea clippers turned to the 'wool fleets' and carried both cargoes to fill up their holds. The Dharwar was one of the 'Iron Clads' fully rigged for sail and engines she was quite fast. She was luxuriously decked out and Edward Henry is fourth rated among the ships crew as carpenter/shipwright, and very well paid. So far i have been unable to ascertain his exact cause of death. Maybe someone out their knows? Did he drown by falling overboard or some other kind of accident?
http://www.bruzelius.info/Nautica/Ships/Merchant/Sail/D/Dharwar(1864).html
Built in 1864, she was fulled rigged, iron body sail/engine. Constructed for the Australian emmigrant and wool trade. Provisions were also made for the transportation of convicts.
nb..Edward's age on the crew list is given as 58 but this may be Edward telling porkies as he was 61 in 1878...and the oldest crew member by 16yrs. I don't think he wanted to retire back home in dreary Poplar. Australia was the 'new' New Adventure but maybe he was getting to the age where his life became an indecision. Australia and the gold rush was underway...Edward was losing his sea legs?
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http://mariners.records.nsw.gov.au/1859/02/007cam.htm
http://mariners.records.nsw.gov.au/shipdate.htm
http://mariners.records.nsw.gov.au/1859/02/scan.asp?filename=007cam.gif
This is the actual scan and has been transcribed incorrectly, but he had a carpenter's,mate with him. He is his son, Edward Robert aged 17, b. 1842 and Alfred Daniel's older brother(b. 1846), Edward Robert (http://www.rebus.demon.co.uk/census/collingw.htm)
There were large numbers of Collingwoods in Australia. Maybe visiting relatives out there too?
http://mariners.records.nsw.gov.au/results.htm?cx=004861337844262330206%3Ayq_2tgjydtg&cof=FORID%3A11&q=collingwood&sa=Search&siteurl=mariners.records.nsw.gov.au%2Fsearch.htm&ref=mariners.records.nsw.gov.au%2F&ss=1608j293952j11
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Did Edward Henry Collingwood plan to live in Australia? Some evidence is becoming available that his son Edward Robert, b. 1842 may have indeed emigrated to Melbourne after 1861. I am currently trying to find out the truth of E.R.
He was carpenter's mate to his dad E.H. on the ship Camperdown, 1859 travelling to Sydney. Maybe this was a 'feeler' to see if Australia was worth moving to. Old man Edward may have spent time there but he always came home to his family roots. If young Robert, did in fact move to Australia could Old Henry have been on a 'working' visit to his son via Hong Kong,1878 on the Dharwar, where he died in a hospital there from fever (pneumonia)?
Some posters on roots-chat have found evidence for an Edward Collingwood that died in 1896, father also called EDWARD. And some refs to an Edward Collingwood travelling between Melbourne and Sydney in April 1874 as a steerage passenger on the Dandenong steamer....needs some more research?
http://mariners.records.nsw.gov.au/1874/04/063dan.htm
As it appears that Old Henry's son Edward Robert went missing, i'd like to put it out to researchers who may already know what happened to my great-grand uncle? He was born 101 years before i was born, which i find fascinating.
http://mariners.records.nsw.gov.au/results.htm?cx=004861337844262330206%3Ayq_2tgjydtg&cof=FORID%3A11&q=dandenong-april+1874&sa=Search&siteurl=mariners.records.nsw.gov.au%2Fsearch.htm&ref=www.GenesReunited.co.uk%2Fboards%2Fboard%2Ftrying_to_find%2Fthread%2F1096458&ss=18411j31711437j20
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When was he really born?
Here he is shown as 46 in 1861 which means he was born in 1815. The Hong Kong death records show him as 58 in 1878, therefore born in 1819-20 ?
EH was 2yrs younger than his wife Anne Merritt, here she is 48 in 1861, so born in 1813 but she is only 51 in 1871 according to the transcribed entries, so born in 1820?.
There are many mistakes on these data sets making it very difficult to trace with accuracy.
Maybe the ship entries for EH are most accurate his age given on the 1859 crew list Camperdown as 40yrs, therefore born in 1819.
http://www.rebus.demon.co.uk/census/collingw.htm
http://mariners.records.nsw.gov.au/1859/02/007cam.htm
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THE SCAN..CAMPERDOWN, 1859, crew list
Edward H Collingwood, carpenter, (age 40 )
Edward R Collingwood, carpenters mate, (son, age 17)
http://mariners.records.nsw.gov.au/1859/02/scan.asp?filename=007cam.gif
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Researching the Collingwoods that participated at the Old Bailey. Forward/Backward click -1685-1908
http://www.oldbaileyonline.org/browse.jsp?id=t18480515-name-918&div=t18480515-1350#highlight
Reference Number: t18480515-1350
Offence: Theft > simple larceny
Verdict: Guilty > no_subcategory; Guilty > no_subcategory
Punishment: Transportation
15th May 1848
1350. PATRICK BRYAN and JAMES KERR , stealing 12lbs, weight of copper, value 6s.;the goods of Duncan Dunbar; both having been previously convicted.
GEORGE WILSON. I am a constable of the East and West India Docks I was on duty on 14th April, about one o'clock, at the East India Dock basin—I saw prisoners and two other men come out of the import dock, and go out of the gate leading on to the Brunswick Wharf—I saw Bryan and one of the others run out of the gate—I informed some other officers—we all went out into the road, and saw the two prisoners and the other two menbryan looked bulky—I went up to him and said. "Bryan, you have got something about you; you must come inside"—I took him in, and found on him these four parcels of copper, two inside his waistcoat and two inside his trowsers—he said he had found it in the dust-bin—I had seen the prisoners leave the dock in the same directions, with the same two men, once previous to that.
JOHN WHITE. I am a constable of the dock. I was at the export dock gate when Willson stopped Bryan—I stopped Kerr—he said, "You won't want me; you want the other men that have run away"—I said, "I have got you and I shall keep you"—I searched him, and found 4lbs, of copper in the waistband of his trowsers—he said it was given him by a man in a public-house—Bryan said, "It is no use telling a lie about it; we may as well tell the truth."
EDWARD HENRY COLLINGWOOD. I am in the employ of a shipwright I was employed in taking some copper off the ship Earl Grey, belonging to Mr. Duncan Dunbar—I threw the copper on the punt—I can swear to all this copper, except two pieces—it came off that ship—two of these pieces in particular I can swear to, and the other I have no doubt of—they were all in the punt, which was under the ship's acting as a stage for me to work at the vessel—I know this piece by my own marking on it, and this one by its acting as a brace under the pump case.
JAMES GATLOR. I am ship-keeper of the Earl Grey, and live on board I took the copper from the punt into the store, where it was kept—it belonged to Duncan Dunbar—I went to the store on the day after this copper was found, and it was all gone.
Kerr. Q. How long was the copper in the store before you missed it? A. About nine or ten days.
THOMAS PINNER. I was working for Mr. Gladstone—I went to the store shed between ten and eleven o'clock—I found the padlock broken—I told the officer—I found the prisoners in custody the same day.
SAMUKL GLADSTONE. I am superintendent to Mr. Duncan Dunbar. I know this copper—this is a piece we took off the cook's house—I sent this to the store-shed—this other came from the ship Westmeath, and was in the same shed—I saw the shed the day previous, and the lock was quite safe—both the ships belong to Mr. Duncan Dunbar.
Bryan's Defence. I passed by the dock officer; he saw no copper with me.
WILLIAM SOMES. I ama constable of the London Dock. I produce a certificate of Bryan's former conviction, at Clerken well—(read—Convicted Oct., 1847, and confined three months)—he is the person.
THOMAS HOLMES. I am an inspector of police. I produce a certificate of Kerr's former conviction, at this Court—(read—Convicted April, 1840, and transported for seven years)—he is the person.
BRYAN— GUILTY. Aged 28.
KERR— GUILTY. Aged 32.
Transported for Ten Years.
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Researching the Collingwoods that participated at the Old Bailey. Forward/Backward click -1685-1908
http://www.oldbaileyonline.org/search.jsp?foo=bar&form=searchHomePage&_persNames_surname=collingwood&kwparse=and&start=40
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Highway robbery in Mile End read this account of George Collingwood's involvement. You can forward to all other cases involving the Collingwoods up to 1908, i bet some are related ?
Read full version:
Results - Central Criminal Court
Browse - Central Criminal Court
Offence: Violent Theft > highway robbery: Verdict: Guilty
Punishment: Death
Related Material: Ordinary's Account, 19th December 1733
+ This is not that Jack-the-Hatter who was convicted of several Felonies in September last.
The Prisoners pray'd the Witnesses might be examin'd a-part, which the Court granted.
Samuel Maxwell . On Thursday, November 22, about five in the Evening I went with my Master, Mr. Wilmot, to the Globe at Mile-End; I expected to meet a Man with whom I had some Business to do, but he not coming, I told my Master, I thought there would be no Occasion for me to stay. My Master telling me I might do as I would, I concluded to go, but having received some Money at Stepney, I thought it would not be safe for me to venture over the Fields with it alone, and so I left 26 l. with him, and came away about six a Clock; but recollecting that I still had 7 l. 10 s. in Moidores and Silver, I put it into my Side-pocket for the better Security. Coming into White-horse-lane I was met by three Men, one of them, which I think was Baxter, pass'd me, and bid me good Night, but presently turn'd back again, when one of the others, in a red Coat, with a thick short Stick in his left Hand and a Pistol in his right, bid me deliver, and swore he had seen me put Money in my left Side-pocket; I gave him the Silver, but not the Moidores; then he demanded my Watch, I told him it was a Family-Watch, and I hop'd he would not take it from me. Why then, says he, you may keep it; go forward, and say you are well us'd. So we parted, and I return'd another Way to my Master at the Globe, and told him and Mr. Collingwood, who was with him, what had happen'd. I staid with them there about three or four Hours, and then we all three came away together. We took Links with us, and coming to the same Place where I had been robb'd, we saw two Men running towards us; For God's sake, says one of them, have a Care, Gentlemen, we are frighted out of our Wits; we met a wild Bull, and thought the Devil was coming for us. As they look'd like loose Fellows, Mr. Collingwood ask'd them if there had not been a Robbery there that Night? They said, they had not heard of any. I thought I knew them again, and taking hold of one of them, whose Name is Macdonald, I told him he was the Man that robb'd me. The other was Baxter, and him my Master and Mr. Collingwood took Care of. We carry'd them to the Sun Tavern at Stepney, where we search'd them, and found a large Fowl upon one, and two Chickens upon t'other. We provided them with separate Lodgings for that Night, - the Watch-house and the Round-house. I saw Macdonald next Morning, and then he confess'd that he was the Man who took my Money, and said, as he us'd me well in giving me my Watch again, he hop'd I would let him be an Evidence.
Thomas Wilmot . My Clerk left me and Mr. Collingwood at the Globe between five and six, in order to go home, but in a little Time he return'd again, and told us he had been robb'd; he stay'd with us till about ten, and then we went away together. In the Field we met Baxter and Macdonald running as if they were frighted out of their Wits. They said they had met a mad Bull; we charg'd them with the Robbery, and carry'd them to the Sun at Stepney - Baxter confess'd.
George Collingwood . Going over the Fields with Mr. Wilmot and his Clerk, two Fellows came running along, and crying out, Lord have Mercy upon us! - O Lord! - a mad Bull! - the Devil! - has frighted us out of our Wits. I thought they look'd like a Couple of Rogues, and the Prosecutor said, he believ'd they were the Men that robb'd him, and so we made bold to secure them both.
John Macdonald . I and the two Prisoners went out together upon the Account. We call'd at the Globe, at Mile-End, where we saw the Prosecutor taking some Money out of his Pockets, and so we went out, and watch'd him, and as he came over the Bank,
Baxter. You know what a vile Fellow you have been. You was an Evidence against Stockings, and Wi I have Witnesses to prove I was in another Place when this Robbery was committed.
Elizabeth Johnson . I lodge at Edward Rook's, and I know that the Prisoner, John Rook, was at home all Day on Thursday, the 22nd of November.
The Jury found them Guilty . Death .
Spencer Collingwood (my son)
May 26
to me
George was the brother of a John Collingwood. I'll dig out what I've got in morning. I have Johns will which mentions George and William as sons/brothers. Will check
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George Collingwood - 1733, Highway Robbery at Mile End
http://www.oldbaileyonline.org/search.jsp?foo=bar&form=searchHomePage&_persNames_surname=collingwood&kwparse=and&start=0
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http://www.rebus.demon.co.uk/datasets/collingw.htm
25 Apr 1698 M John COLLINGWOOD husb of Mary BARKER Stepney, St. Dunstan MDX TPR G: mariner of Wapping; B: widow
http://www.oldbaileyonline.org/browse.jsp?id=t17480526-18-person216&div=t17480526-18#highlight
Margarett Collingwood- resided at Queen Anne Alley, which was a small Court leading off Farthing Fields. Highly probable that this is the mother of John (Edward?)the Sawyer, b 1737 and apprenticed (about 1750, 7yrs)
19 Aug 1731 C John COLLINGWOOD son of John & Margaret St George in the East MDX TPR age 3 days, father a mariner of Farth[ing?] Fields [LMA Source Ref: X024/123]
04 Jan 1737 C John COLLINGWOOD son of John & Margaret. Stepney, St. Dunstan MDX TPR 1736/37 age 28 days, father an upholsterer of Rat[cliffe?] [LMA Source Ref: X024/016]
Upholsterers were usually master tradesmen skilled in all aspects of of ship's fittings and were often skilled as shipwrights, ropemakers, sailmakers, etc. These skills were often required before a mariner could manage a ship as 'Master' or Master Mariner.
16 Dec 1757 APPR John COLLINGWOOD Woolwich Yard KEN TNA Foreman's apprentice to John Puckley of Woolwich yard; duty 9s paid @ 6d on £18/-/- on 24 Dec 1757 [IR 1/21 folio 115]
28 Oct 1764 M Edward COLLINGWOOD husb of Elizabeth POINTER Limehouse, St. Anne MDX PR G: b [X]; B: s, [X]; botp, by banns; W: Charles Roth, Thomas Outerloney
15 Jan 1773 C John COLLINGWOOD son of Edward & Elizth. Stepney, St. Dunstan MDX PR age 2 days, father a sawyer of Poplar
01 Aug 1773 B John COLLINGWOOD Stepney, St. Dunstan MDX PR of Poplar, buried at Ratcliffe? infant aged 9months?
17 Jul 1774 C Elizabeth Mary COLLINGWOOD dau of Edward & Elizabeth Stepney, St. Dunstan MDX PR age 28 days, father a sawyer of Poplar
18 Aug 1776 C John Edward COLLINGWOOD son of John Edward & Elizth. Stepney, St. Dunstan MDX PR age 13 days, father a sawyer of Poplar
(John Edward the Ropemaker 1776 - 1821 age 45yrs)
01 Jul 1804 C John COLLINGWOOD son of John & Elizabeth Stepney, St Dunstan MDX born 1 Jun 1804, father a ropemaker of Poplar
01 Oct 1806 C Mary COLLINGWOOD dau of John & Elizabeth Stepney, Saint Dunstan MDX IGI Batch C055761
05 Mar 1809 C George Edward COLLINGWOOD son of John & Elizabeth Stepney, St. Dunstan MDX PR born 3 Jan 1809, father a ropemaker of Poplar
12 Feb 1815 C James William COLLINGWOOD son of John Edward & Elizabeth Limehouse, St. Anne MDX PR born 18 Jan 1815, father a ropemaker of Limehouse
05 Aug 1817 C EDWARD HENRY COLLINGWOOD son of John Edward & Elizabeth Limehouse, St. Anne MDX PR born 5 Jul 1817, father a ropemaker of Limehouse
http://mariners.records.nsw.gov.au/1859/02/007cam.htm
1859: Edward Henry AND son Robert Henry sail on the Camperdown to Austrailia as carpenter and mate
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https://www.google.co.uk/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=6&ved=0CFUQFjAF&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.findagrave.com%2Fcgi-bin%2Ffg.cgi%3Fpage%3Dgr%26GRid%3D93206932&ei=Bku2UYWjKMS80QX-2YC4BQ&usg=AFQjCNF-rxo1n9fP8Bvl6Gsl9lGSWCeU6A&sig2=V4GZ3aIEX5a1fUP_BBIQDg
Birth: 1817
Death: Oct. 24, 1878, Hong Kong
Carpenter British Ship 'Dharwar'.
Born at Blackwall.
Burial:
Hong Kong Cemetery
Happy Valley
Hong Kong Island, Hong Kong
http://www.bruzelius.info/Nautica/Ships/Merchant/Sail/D/Dharwar(1864).html
SISTER SHIP
http://mariners.records.nsw.gov.au/1875/02/005cut.htm
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Happy Valley cemetary Hong Kong Island
http://www.findagrave.com/cgi-bin/fg.cgi?page=gr&GRid=93206932
Edward Henry's last voyage was on the Dharwar where he was taken ill and died of 'fever' in Hong Kong Oct 1878. From the dates he was probably taken ill on his journey back from Sydney where the Dharwar had loaded with bales of wool (for balast in the lower belly of the ship having disembarked passengers). Then at Hong Kong for tea which would be stowed mid-decks.
http://mariners.records.nsw.gov.au/1878/05/032dha.htm
This old account of the Dharwar including a beautiful real picture, from the biography of William Inkster- shipwright who made HIS last sea journey on the Dharwar 1888-89, saving the ship from severe storm damage. These stories are a rare insight into the bravery of the seaman of the sea clippers.
scroll down as you read, to see the Dharwar..a fantastic clipper in full sail...
http://books.google.co.uk/books?id=Hbdb7hWldBkC&pg=PA11&lpg=PA11&dq=sister+ship+of+the+dharwar&source=bl&ots=GC_VzcQn1J&sig=EV0ozKaiZHsopebPLEe2g9I3neU&hl=en&sa=X&ei=xuO8UZ_iCKil0QWnioGIDw&ved=0CDEQ6AEwAA#v=onepage&q=sister%20ship%20of%20the%20dharwar&f=false
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The Dharwar
1872/73
Sailed from San Francisco to Liverpool in 97 days under Captain T. Freebody.
1880
In command of Captain C.W.H. Hutchins.
1883 February 8 - June 4
Sailed from Sydney to London in 116 days.
1883 July 15 - September 30
Sailed from Plymouth with *414 emmigrants to Sydney in 77 days. Had to be quarantined at arrival
as there was measles and fever on board.
One of the tasks of a shipwright was to overhaul the copper covering of the hull. Copper sheathing often buckled and bent with the battering of the waves causing 'drag'. Since most of these clippers competed for the fastest times on their journeys often this work was done, if safely possible while at sea.
*It is hard to imagine that these sailing ships could carry over 400 passengers, yet they often did unless they were cargo loaded. Outward bound ships carried troops for India and China to protect and relieve serving soldiers for the East India Company. Disembarking their human cargo they then had to load tea or wool even timber as ballast. When troops were not onboard then a monthly consignment of emigrants or convicts were loaded. The Australian 'wool-fleets' began as the tea trade suffered by competition and the US began their tea trade in the 1860's.
The Dharwar was as fast as the Cutty Sark and the Thermopylae having competed on seperate occasions making the Australian trip under different sea conditions.
http://mariners.records.nsw.gov.au/1875/03/013the.htm
http://www.convictrecords.com.au/ships/earl-grey
Silver Eagle , note over 400 women transporties to Australia?
Convicts or Missionaries or women sailing to re-join their men folk that went before them?
http://mariners.records.nsw.gov.au/1872/05/066sil.htm
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Edward Henry Collingwood worked repairing the Earl Grey-convict ship and gave evidence at the 'Bailey,1848.
http://www.oldbaileyonline.org/browse.jsp?id=t18480515-name-918&div=t18480515-1350#highlight
http://www.oldbaileyonline.org/browse.jsp?id=OA17550317n23-2&div=OA17550317#highlight
At the Place of EXECUTION.
ON Monday morning, the 17th instant, about nine o'clock, the several malefactors ordered for execution, were brought out of the press-yard, and being put into three carts, Gill and Delarant , in one; Trevis , Haynes and Burton , in a second; Burk , Preston and Dyson , in a third, were carried to the place of execution, about ten o'clock. When they were tied up to the fatal tree, some time was passed in recommending their souls to divine mercy; and they were very intent to prayers, in the name of Christ and his church, offered up to the throne of grace in their behalf; and prayed as heartily in others, which they repeated for themselves, acknowledging their unworthiness, and dependance only on Christ's merits.
Dyson, at getting into the cart at Newgate, as also when he was in the cart from which he was executed at Tyburn, shewed such extraordinary marks of senselesness of his condition, as surprised every beholder. But where's the wonder, when we consider him as scarce past childhood; having never been exercised, but in puerile amusements; having had no education; and scarce ever having heard there was a God and a future state, till under sentence of death. Notwithstanding, as horrible a dread overwhelmed him, as did, perhaps, any of the rest, who behaved as became people in their last moments.
Only Burk died a Roman catholick ; who declared, as Gill did to the last, that the robbery, for which Isaiah Robbins, now under respite for three weeks, was convicted, was by them committed near Whitechapel- mount , upon Mr. Richardson. Execution was done upon them without any disturbance, tho' a vast multitude were gathered together on the occasion. Their bodies were delivered to their friends.
This is all the Account given by me, JOHN TAYLOR , Ordinary of Newgate.
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Edward Henry had an Uncle, reputedly a cousin of John the Ropemaker his dad, 1776-1821
ie 'Frankie' Collingwood ?
The man who shot the man, that Killed Lord Nelson at Trafalgar ? We are trying to find out !
Robert Southey in his Life of Nelson (pub 1813) credited both John Pollard and Midshipman Francis Edward Collingwood as being the 'avenger of Nelson'. However in a letter to The Times 13 May 1863, John Pollard wrote
'It is true my old shipmate Collingwood who has now been dead some years came up on the poop for a short time. I had discovered the men crouching in the top of the Redoutable and pointed them out to him, when he took up his musket and fired once; he then left the poop, I conclude, to return to his station on the quarter deck… read more
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Journal of the Pembrokeshire Historical Society - Vol. 9 2000 Some Pembrokeshire sea officers
Two Pembrokeshire midshipmen were in HMS Victory with Lord Nelson.
Of Robert Cutts Barton little is known except that he was born in the
county in 1785 and joined HMS Victory off Toulon on 31 July 1803 from
the frigate HMS Amphion in which he had gone out from Britain. Two
weeks after Trafalgar he transferred to HMS Queen 98, flagship of Admiral
Collingwood. He was promoted lieutenant in 1806 and served in the boats
of the Apollo cutting out a convoy in Rosas Bay in 1809. Barton was made
a commander in 1819 and died aged 42 at Bideford in 1827.102
The other Pembrokeshire midshipman in HMS Victory, Francis Edward
Collingwood, born at Milford on 23 March 1785, is immortalised in Arthur
Devis' famous painting of the death of Nelson. The Admiral's biographer,
Carola Oman,103 records that some midshipmen, walking wounded, were
being treated in the cockpit where Nelson lay dying. In the painting
Collingwood is shown standing in the background with Lieutenant Yule,
'their British bulk and complexions contrasting with those of the Admiral's
wizened, whiskered Neopolitan valet'.104
Collingwood was the son of 'Francis Collingwood of Greenwich Esq. by
Sarah, sister of Captain Thomas Richbell RN, Chief Magistrate of the
Thames Police'.105 His grandfather, Edward Collingwood, had been Master
Attendant at Plymouth, Portsmouth, Chatham and Deptford Dockyards.
After serving in sloops and frigates, and in Foley's old Nile command,
HMS Goliath, Collingwood joined HMS Victory at Spithead on 14 Sep-
tember 1805, the month before Trafalgar. Young Collingwood has long
been reputed to have been the avenger of the death of Nelson by having
shot the French sharpshooter in the rigging of the Redoutable. This dis-
tinction was, however, claimed by a fellow midshipman, John Pollard, then
in retirement at the Royal Naval Hospital, Greenwich, in a letter to The
Times on 13 May 1863 in which he said that Collingwood had been with
him on the poop of the flagship but for a short time only:
It is true my old shipmate, Collingwood, who has now been dead
some years, did come in the poop for a short time. I had discovered
the men crowding in the tops of the Redoutable, and pointed them
out to him, when he took up a musket and fired once; then he left
the poop, I conclude, to return to his station on the quarter deck. I
remained firing until there was not a man to be seen in the top ....cont
http://welshjournals.llgc.org.uk/browse/viewpage/llgc-id:1165908/llgc-id:1166683/llgc-id:1166695/getText
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Death of Nelson
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:DeathofNelsonDevis.jpg
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Searching for Edward Henry's eldest son Edward Robert ? Did he emigrate to Oz in the 1870's ? Was his dad on a 'working' visit on the Dharwar to visit his son in 1878 and died on the journey back in Hong Kong? EH's wife Anne Merrit hasd died in 1876, so EH would be free to visit his son
And did Edward Robert's wife travel later to join him....there are some entries within these web sites of 'Mrs Collingwood and infant' ?
And a Mr A.Collingwood with 3 children and wife on the Cuzco-1877.
My great grand father Alfred Daniel, b. 1846,ER's YOUNGER brother, could have been on this ship. I just don't know but i am sure that if Edward Robert had emigrated it follows that other relatives could follow. I know that my grand father also called Alfred Daniel, b 1879 worked on ships travelling to HK and Oz.
There are literally scores of Collingwoods that travelled from the UK.
This web site shows many of them, however, trying to track our main ancestors is made difficult by not giving in most cases, ages and first names. Though, Edward Robert and Henry are found to be regular on the Melbourne to Sydney runs as well as many that embarked from London in the 1860 - 1900 period.
Ancestors with family origins?
http://mariners.records.nsw.gov.au/results.htm?cx=004861337844262330206%3Ayq_2tgjydtg&cof=FORID%3A11&q=collingwood&sa=Search&siteurl=mariners.records.nsw.gov.au%2Fsearch.htm&ref=www.GenesReunited.co.uk%2Fboards%2Fboard%2Ftrying_to_find%2Fthread%2F1096458&ss=4974j2747976j11
There are Collingwoods to be found on all of these ships...
http://mariners.records.nsw.gov.au/1891/03/069tal.htm
http://mariners.records.nsw.gov.au/1862/08/005wws.htm
http://mariners.records.nsw.gov.au/1877/11/051cuy.htm
http://mariners.records.nsw.gov.au/1897/03/016dov.htm
http://mariners.records.nsw.gov.au/1878/05/032dha.htm
http://mariners.records.nsw.gov.au/1883/01/076sor.htm
http://mariners.records.nsw.gov.au/1880/10/113bar.htm
http://mariners.records.nsw.gov.au/1859/02/007cam.htm
http://mariners.records.nsw.gov.au/1874/04/063dan.htm
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EDWARD HENRY COLLINGWOOD ? Does anyone know if this is him?
http://www.findagrave.com/cgi-bin/fg.cgi?page=pis&MRid=46907585&PImrid=46907585&PIpi=81967311&
https://www.google.co.uk/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=6&ved=0CFUQFjAF&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.findagrave.com%2Fcgi-bin%2Ffg.cgi%3Fpage%3Dgr%26GRid%3D93206932&ei=Bku2UYWjKMS80QX-2YC4BQ&usg=AFQjCNF-rxo1n9fP8Bvl6Gsl9lGSWCeU6A&sig2=V4GZ3aIEX5a1fUP_BBIQDg
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http://www.rebus.demon.co.uk/datasets/collingw.htm
25 Apr 1698 M John COLLINGWOOD husb of Mary BARKER Stepney, St. Dunstan MDX TPR G: mariner of Wapping; B: widow.
Making the connection, here from John 'the Guinea-man' Master and mariner, is proving difficult. The dates show possibly a missing relative, and i believe John -1698 husband of Mary Barker above married again. He could be John 'the Guinea-man' that married Margaret. Her session at the Old Bailey in 1748 SUGGESTS that at the time she was a lot younger than her husband, while he was 'trading' the African Guinea Coast, probably into his late sixties?
http://www.oldbaileyonline.org/browse.jsp?id=t17480526-18-person216&div=t17480526-18#highlight
Margarett Collingwood- resided at Queen Anne Crt, which was a small Court leading off Farthing Fields. Highly probable that this is the mother of John (Edward?)the Sawyer, b 1737 and apprenticed (about 1750,aged 13 for 7yrs)
19 Aug 1731 C John COLLINGWOOD son of John & Margaret St George in ohnthe East MDX TPR age 3 days, father a mariner of Farth[ing?] Fields [LMA Source Ref: X024/123].
{ I BELIEVE this infant died, as in 1737, they had another child also called John! }
04 Jan 1737 C John COLLINGWOOD son of John & Margaret. Stepney, St. Dunstan MDX TPR 1736/37 age 28 days, father an upholsterer(?)of Rat[cliffe?] [LMA Source Ref: X024/016]. Apprenticed at Woolwich Yard, 1757 aged 20yrs....this is John 'the sawyer', father of John 'the ropemaker' 1776-1821.
Upholsterers were usually master tradesmen skilled in all aspects of of ship's fittings and were often skilled as shipwrights, ropemakers, sailmakers, etc. *Sawyers were particularly skilled in boat building. These skills were often required before a mariner could manage a ship as 'Master' or Master Mariner.
Margaret's husband was a mariner and Master of a 'Giunea-man, they lived a stone's throw from Tobacco Dock and the old London Dock at Wapping, in Queen Anne Crt, off Farthing Fields!
16 Dec 1757 APPR John COLLINGWOOD Woolwich Yard KEN TNA Foreman's apprentice to John Puckley of Woolwich yard; duty 9s paid @ 6d on £18/-/- on 24 Dec 1757 [IR 1/21 folio 115]
His son was...
John 'the ropemaker' 1776-1821
Grandson was...
Edward Henry, shipwright, 1817-1878
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EDWARD HENRY COLLINGWOOD, 1817 - 1878
135th anniversary of his death in Hong Kong. October 24th 1878.
Died from fever from exposure while fixing storm damage on Dharwar
http://goo.gl/eI3gTr
William Inkster 10 years later in 1888 was on his last voyage on the Dharwar.
He saved the ship from certain disaster by making good the ships damaged steering gear
in a devasting storm.
He became famous in his day as the shipwright that saved the Dharwar!
When not at sea both William Inkster and Edward Henry Collingwood worked as part time
firemen.
http://goo.gl/OfHRee
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http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?action=printpage;topic=158938.0
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?action=printpage;topic=158938.0
this is a compendum of some of the posts on this thread. I am in the process of researching more of Edward Henry Collingwood, his father John and Grand father. Where they lived and how the family from the mid 18th century (1700's) gradually moved Eastwards from Wapping/West India Docks to Blackwall in order to be closer to the docks that were currently employing more shipping workers. Also that the Great Housing Projects of the East End beginning in the 1830's to the 1880's and the building of the Poplar Hospital by the East India Company mainly for the 'injured' dock workers....afforded better housing for those that chose to work in industry closer to the dock vicinities. While those that chose a more criminal or mundane life of 'slumming' the streets, were offered 'help' by volunteering to work in the first great experimental 'Poplar Workhouse Project' at the Northern End of Poplar High St and Dolphin Lane and Dingle Lane, where whole families of 'rough-derelict' Irish Cockneys were living in such dire conditions as "no one wanted to live there". Backing on to Dingle Lane was a narrow access not big enough to draw a cart through called "Tucker's Court Alley".
Adjacent and at rear of Tuckers Court was the 200 yr old open sewer that sloped into the W.I Dock. It is still registered on British History-Online, as 'Rolling Turd Alley'
Here Edward Henry Collingwood spent his EARLY childhood until his father John died of lung disease from the chemicals used in ropemaking, 1821.
Tuckers Court was very close to the West India Docks and the ropemaking yards. Edward was originally apprenticed to Duncan Dunbar in 1829 -30 aged 13yrs and was trained as a sailmaker, carpenter and shipwright. As a protege skilled carpenter, Edward began his training at the start of Britains longest ever strike...The Great Shipwright's strike of 1832 that lasted 12 yrs until the pay conditions as handed down from 'old pyrates code' of (One 64th of the ships takings) to be shared among the crew. Finally resolved
by the shipping industry in 1844.
In the meantime shipwrights and sailmakers had to learn other crafts and in some cases they took to being firemen or dock policemen when not able to work in the docks during this awful strike.
more later,,a fascinating story..is unfolding
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Margaret Collingwood...Great Grand-Mother of Edward Henry Collingwood, and mother of 'John the Sawyer'. Husband 'John' Collingwood of Wapping, Queen Anne's Crt. "Master Mariner"- Guinea Coast
Margaret Collingwood."Why then, Gentlemen of the Jury, I will tell you. My husband has been gone these six years, trading on the coast of Guinea; and he being gone so long I was forced to take a lodging, and take in plain work, and go out to ironing. As to my sister, she lives in a very creditable manner, I do assure you".
http://www.oldbaileyonline.org/browse.jsp?id=t17480526-18-person216&div=t17480526-18#highlight
Margaret Collingwood (Sister of the Prosecutor) sworn .
Q. Do you know the Prisoner?
Collingwood. Yes. About a fortnight before this affair happened, the Prisoner came to my sister's, and enquired after us. I had not seen him for fifteen years, and I said, Mr. Rooke, I thought you had been dead, and we made a little bumbo, and he said he would put us in a way of getting an estate. He asked where I lived, and said he would call upon me; I said it would not be agreeable for him to call where I was, for I was not much at home; and I desired he would call upon my sister.
Q. Do you know any thing of this fact? Did you see your sister in this condition ?
Collingwood . Yes, I did, and I saw her before the Justice , and he said he had drunk a pint of gin that morning.
Prisoner. Was not I searched before the Justice?
Collingwood . Yes, you was. He said he threw himself into the river.
Prisoner . Mrs. Tod fell down, and struck her head against the stairs, and she struck me with the poker; and to shew the malice of this woman , she has raised up two boys to swear , that I threw this money into the Thames. She picked up a solicitor at Hick's Hall, and he said there were four guineas and a half thrown into the Thames by me; said I, do you know this? and he said, I have persons to swear it; and she said she would transport me or hang me. She had no money, for I was to lend her money till I could get a house out of the mortgagee's hands. I had the honour twice to be admitted an attorney , once by Mr . Justice Price, and once by Mr. Justice Denton. This is an artful laid thing. I lodged in her father's and mother's house, and spent a great deal of money there; and once or twice a week she and her sister went through my room when I was asleep, and took my money. There was a quarrel between me and the Prosecutrix, but I had no manner of intention to commit a robbery or any act of violence; for I went to enquire after her youngest sister, Polly, and she said I dare not let you see her, for if she is catched, she will be hanged [for her mother and she were transported.] I cannot say how I hurt her, for I never struck her with the poker; and that poker could not be bent so, if it was taken to any anvil; I have been robbed at their house, from time to time, of two or three guineas a week.
Q. If these persons were of that character, what made you go there?
Eliz. Tod. I was but a child when he lodged at my father's house.
Jury. We should be glad to know what Mrs. Collingwood's husband is?
Collingwood. My husband is master of a Guinea-man .
Jury. Where do you live?
Collingwood. In Queen's-Square, Ratcliff-Highway .
Jury. Why was it improper for him to come to your house?
Collingwood. I thought it improper.
Jury. For what reason.
Collingwood. Why then, Gentlemen of the Jury, I will tell you. My husband has been gone these six years, trading on the coast of Guinea; and he being gone so long I was forced to take a lodging, and take in plain work, and go out to ironing. As to my sister, she lives in a very creditable manner, I do assure you.
Guilty *.
* This offence was made transportation by an Act in the year 1734; whereby it is enacted, that if any person or persons after the first day of May, 1734, shall with any unlawful instrument or weapon assault, or with any menances demand any goods, chattels or money, with a felonious intent, that then, and in that case, every person lawfully convicted of the same, shall be adjudged guilty of felony, and shall be transported for seven years.
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The 'Earl Grey' was a convict ship that Edward Henry was working on to repair hull copper cladding damage to the forward bow and pump stages.
PATRICK BRYAN, JAMES KERR, Theft > simple larceny, 15th May 1848.
Reference Number: t18480515-1350
Offence: Theft > simple larceny
Verdict: Guilty > no_subcategory; Guilty > no_subcategory
Punishment: Transportation. 10 years.
http://www.oldbaileyonline.org/browse.jsp?id=t18480515-name-918&div=t18480515-1350#highlight
These are his actual words in giving evidence in a 'simple larceny' trial at the Old Bailey.....
JOHN WHITE. I am a constable of the dock. I was at the export dock gate when Willson stopped Bryan—I stopped Kerr—he said, "You won't want me; you want the other men that have run away"—I said, "I have got you and I shall keep you"—I searched him, and found 4lbs, of copper in the waistband of his trowsers—he said it was given him by a man in a public-house—Bryan said, "It is no use telling a lie about it; we may as well tell the truth."
EDWARD HENRY COLLINGWOOD. I am in the employ of a shipwright I was employed in taking some copper off the ship 'Earl Grey', belonging to Mr. Duncan Dunbar—I threw the copper on the punt—I can swear to all this copper, except two pieces—it came off that ship—two of these pieces in particular I can swear to, and the other I have no doubt of—they were all in the punt, which was under the ship's bow, acting as a stage for me to work at the vessel—I know this piece by my own marking on it, and this one by its acting as a brace under the pump case.
JAMES GATLOR. I am ship-keeper of the Earl Grey, and live on board I took the copper from the punt into the store, where it was kept—it belonged to Duncan Dunbar—I went to the store on the day after this copper was found, and it was all gone.
Kerr. Q. How long was the copper in the store before you missed it? A. About nine or ten days.
THOMAS PINNER. I was working for Mr. Gladstone—I went to the store shed between ten and eleven o'clock—I found the padlock broken—I told the officer—I found the prisoners in custody the same day.
http://www.oldbaileyonline.org/browse.jsp?id=t18480515-name-918&div=t18480515-1350#highlight
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You've rambled on for 4 pages on this topic (just large amounts of cut & paste) without paying attention to either notices of the sites or Rootschat policy. For example, the last bits have this notice on the page-
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Anyone of the Collingwoods that are researching our family History can find some exciting leads from the Collingwoods of Northumberland. This link gives an Historic overview of Sir Daniel Collingwood of Brandon:
http://goo.gl/r5JC6M
THE HIGH SHERIFFS OF NORTHUMBERLAND from the 11th century
to the present day
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/High_Sheriff_of_Northumberland
1544 Sir John Collingwood of Eslington Hall
1551 Sir Robert Collingwood of Eslington Hall
1568 Cuthbert Collingwood
1580 Cuthbert Collingwood
1647 Edward Collingwood of Dissington Hall
1697 Edward Collingwood of Dissington Hall
1725 Alexander Collingwood of Little Ryle
1761 Alexander Collingwood of Unthank Hall
1766 Henry Collingwood of Cornhill
1787 Edward Collingwood of Chirton Hall
1793 Henry Collingwood of Liburn Tower
http://www.british-towns.net/sh/statelyhomes_album.asp?GetPic=48
1824 Edward Collingwood of Dissington Hall
1832 Henry John William Collingwood of Liburn Tower
1844 Edward John Collingwood of Liburn Tower
1919 Edward Gordon Collingwood of Dissington Hall
1937 Edward Foyle Collingwood of Liburn Tower
Researchers tracing back our line of Collingwoods may find this helpful
Sir Daniel Collingwood of Brandon
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Edward Henry Collingwood - (1817 - 1878) was related to (distant nephew) Francis Edward Collingwood - (1785 - 1835) and his father Francis Collingwood and grandfather Edward that had connections to Greenwich and Chatham Dockyards. Our own family have researched the claims of John Pollard that he alone killed the French sniper on board the 'Redoubtable'. Coming forwards 40yrs after the event, writing to the 'Times' only suggests that Pollard was present but 'WHY' so many years after Collingwood died?
Arthur Devis's masterpiece depicting 'The Death of Nelson' (which is displayed in the Greenwich museum)was well researched and 'rough cartoons' of all the characters present were made at the time that Nelson was taken below decks to die. It was suggested at the time on board the Victory that witnesses saw one or two midshipmen crouching and firing at the French sniper. Collingwood who was 'rated' as a sharp-shot was also seen to be handed a loaded rifle and fire a second or third shot. Witnesses said Collingwood then returned to his post when he saw the sniper first fall in to the mizen ropes that left him mortally wounded and dangling from the mast. Falling to the deck it was assumed Collingwood had fired the fatal shot?
http://welshjournals.llgc.org.uk/browse/viewpage/llgc-id:1165908/llgc-id:1166683/llgc-id:1166695/getText
Two Pembrokeshire midshipmen were in HMS Victory with Lord Nelson.
Of Robert Cutts Barton little is known except that he was born in the county in 1785 and joined HMS Victory off Toulon on 31 July 1803 from the frigate HMS Amphion in which he had gone out from Britain. Two weeks after Trafalgar he transferred to HMS Queen 98, flagship of Admiral Cuthbert Collingwood. He was promoted lieutenant in 1806 and served in the boats of the Apollo cutting out a convoy in Rosas Bay in 1809. Barton was made a commander in 1819 and died aged 42 at Bideford in 1827.102
The other Pembrokeshire midshipman in HMS Victory, Francis Edward Collingwood, born at Milford on 23 March 1785, is immortalised in Arthur Devis' famous painting of the death of Nelson. The Admiral's biographer, Carola Oman,103 records that some midshipmen, walking wounded, were being treated in the cockpit where Nelson lay dying. In the painting Collingwood is shown standing in the background with Lieutenant Yule, 'their British bulk and complexions contrasting with those of the Admiral's wizened, whiskered Neopolitan valet'.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:DeathofNelsonDevis.jpg
Collingwood was the son of 'Francis Collingwood of Greenwich Esq. by Sarah, sister of Captain Thomas Richbell RN, Chief Magistrate of the Thames Police'. His grandfather, Edward Collingwood, had been Master Attendant at Plymouth, Portsmouth, Chatham and Deptford Dockyards.
After serving in sloops and frigates, and in Foley's old Nile command, HMS Goliath, Collingwood joined HMS Victory at Spithead on 14 September 1805, the month before Trafalgar. Young Collingwood has long been reputed to have been the avenger of the death of Nelson by having shot the French sharpshooter in the rigging of the Redoutable. This distinction was, however, claimed by a fellow midshipman, John Pollard, then in retirement at the Royal Naval Hospital, Greenwich, in a letter to The Times on 13 May 1863 in which he said that Collingwood had been with him on the poop of the flagship but for a short time only:
It is true my old shipmate, Collingwood, who has now been dead some 28years, did come in the poop for a short time. I had discovered the men crowding in the tops of the Redoutable, and pointed them out to him, when he took up a musket and fired once; then he left the poop, I conclude, to return to his station on the quarter deck. I remained firing until there was not a man to be seen in the top last one I saw coming down the mizzen rigging, and he fell from my fire also. King, the quartermaster, was killed while in the act of handing me a parcel of ballcartridge, long after Collingwood had left the poop. I remained there till some time after the action was concluded, assisting in rigging the jurymast; then I was ushered into the wardroom, where Sir Thomas Hardy and other officers were assembled, and complimented by them as the person who avenged
Lord Nelson's death.
Modern historians have tended to support Pollard but the issue remains unclear and the Milford officer may well have had a hand in avenging his Commander-in-Chief.106 After the Redoutable surrendered Collingwood led a party across from the Victory to tackle fires which threatened to destroy this major French prize, 'which service he performed in a manner highly satisfactory.' He was promoted lieutenant in January 1806. Collingwood subsequently saw much active service. He was 'constantly employed' in the Walcheren Expedition in 1809 and was twice wounded when in command of the revenue cutter Kite on the Irish coast in the 1820's. In 1822 he married Ellen, daughter of the Rev. Samuel Collis of Co.
Kerry. His sister was the wife of Dr J.D. Burke, Surgeon of Pembroke Dockyard. Collingwood was made a commander in 1828 and died aged 50 at Tralee in 1835.
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Edward Henry Collingwood it is believed died from a 'fever' NOW THOUGHT TO BE pneumonia contracted while fixing storm damaged timbers on the Dharwar. He was taken to Old Hong Kong where he died in in hospital -1878. Edward Henry did part time work as a fireman when on shore leave at the now disused firestation in Gillender Street, (formally 'Masters Lane' )Poplar E.14 WHICH runs parallel to the Blackwall Tunnel Approach (A12).
10 years later......1888, William Inkster was the 'hero' of the Dharwar (sister ship to the Cutty Sark) when 'he' also saved the ship from sinking in a terrible storm, making good a damaged steering mechanism..the most famous of all 19th century shipwrights. Incidentally he also worked as a part-time fireman.....
http://goo.gl/OfHRee
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Highway robbery in Mile End read this account of George Collingwood's involvement. You can forward to all other cases involving the Collingwoods up to 1908, i bet some are related ?
Read full version:
Results - Central Criminal Court
Browse - Central Criminal Court
Offence: Violent Theft > highway robbery: Verdict: Guilty
Punishment: DEATH
Related Material: Ordinary's Account, 19th December 1733
+ This is not that Jack-the-Hatter who was convicted of several Felonies in September last.
The Prisoners pray'd the Witnesses might be examin'd a-part, which the Court granted.
Samuel Maxwell . On Thursday, November 22, about five in the Evening I went with my Master, Mr. Wilmot, to the Globe at Mile-End; I expected to meet a Man with whom I had some Business to do, but he not coming, I told my Master, I thought there would be no Occasion for me to stay. My Master telling me I might do as I would, I concluded to go, but having received some Money at Stepney, I thought it would not be safe for me to venture over the Fields with it alone, and so I left 26 l. with him, and came away about six a Clock; but recollecting that I still had 7 l. 10 s. in Moidores and Silver, I put it into my Side-pocket for the better Security. Coming into White-horse-lane I was met by three Men, one of them, which I think was Baxter, pass'd me, and bid me good Night, but presently turn'd back again, when one of the others, in a red Coat, with a thick short Stick in his left Hand and a Pistol in his right, bid me deliver, and swore he had seen me put Money in my left Side-pocket; I gave him the Silver, but not the Moidores; then he demanded my Watch, I told him it was a Family-Watch, and I hop'd he would not take it from me. Why then, says he, you may keep it; go forward, and say you are well us'd. So we parted, and I return'd another Way to my Master at the Globe, and told him and Mr. Collingwood, who was with him, what had happen'd. I staid with them there about three or four Hours, and then we all three came away together. We took Links with us, and coming to the same Place where I had been robb'd, we saw two Men running towards us; For God's sake, says one of them, have a Care, Gentlemen, we are frighted out of our Wits; we met a wild Bull, and thought the Devil was coming for us. As they look'd like loose Fellows, Mr. Collingwood ask'd them if there had not been a Robbery there that Night? They said, they had not heard of any. I thought I knew them again, and taking hold of one of them, whose Name is Macdonald, I told him he was the Man that robb'd me. The other was Baxter, and him my Master and Mr. Collingwood took Care of. We carry'd them to the Sun Tavern at Stepney, where we search'd them, and found a large Fowl upon one, and two Chickens upon t'other. We provided them with separate Lodgings for that Night, - the Watch-house and the Round-house. I saw Macdonald next Morning, and then he confess'd that he was the Man who took my Money, and said, as he us'd me well in giving me my Watch again, he hop'd I would let him be an Evidence.
Thomas Wilmot . My Clerk left me and Mr. Collingwood at the Globe between five and six, in order to go home, but in a little Time he return'd again, and told us he had been robb'd; he stay'd with us till about ten, and then we went away together. In the Field we met Baxter and Macdonald running as if they were frighted out of their Wits. They said they had met a mad Bull; we charg'd them with the Robbery, and carry'd them to the Sun at Stepney - Baxter confess'd.
George Collingwood . Going over the Fields with Mr. Wilmot and his Clerk, two Fellows came running along, and crying out, Lord have Mercy upon us! - O Lord! - a mad Bull! - the Devil! - has frighted us out of our Wits. I thought they look'd like a Couple of Rogues, and the Prosecutor said, he believ'd they were the Men that robb'd him, and so we made bold to secure them both.
John Macdonald . I and the two Prisoners went out together upon the Account. We call'd at the Globe, at Mile-End, where we saw the Prosecutor taking some Money out of his Pockets, and so we went out, and watch'd him, and as he came over the Bank,
Baxter. You know what a vile Fellow you have been. You was an Evidence against Stockings, and Wi I have Witnesses to prove I was in another Place when this Robbery was committed.
Elizabeth Johnson . I lodge at Edward Rook's, and I know that the Prisoner, John Rook, was at home all Day on Thursday, the 22nd of November.
The Jury found them Guilty . Death .
Spencer Collingwood (my son)
May 26
to me
George was the brother of a John Collingwood. I'll dig out what I've got in morning. I have Johns will which mentions George and William as sons/brothers. Will check
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Edward Henry Collingwood was born at Tuckers Court Alley an austere set of houses frequented by 'Irish Cockneys'.The first Poplar Workhouse was built on this very site as an experiment to feed the poor. Most were women and widows with children that had lost their husbands either through inhuman occupation or as war widows from Trafalgar and Waterloo. Most, however were innocent victims of imprisonment as their husbands turned to crime. I have not found any such miscreants among our long history of the Collingwoods, strange but true. Hard working and industrious i am proud to be one.
Tuckers Court Alley was at the most southern end of Dingle Lane and Dolphin Lane. Adjacent to Tuckers court in proximity to the Poplar Workhouse was an open sewer running straight into the W.India dock. This 'open' sewer was a link to the 18th century and endured the name "Rolling Turd Alley"
From here it was just a short 10mins WALK to West India Docks and the famous ship building DUNBAR WHARF in Fore Street (now Narrow St, Limehouse and the infamous Ropemakers Fields) where Edward Henry and his dad (John the ropemaker) WORKED as a shipwright, probably until Duncan Dunbar died in 1862. It seems from here Edward moved to Cawdor Street closer to the East India Docks where he could embark on his many ship voyages.
http://www.british-history.ac.uk/report.aspx?compid=46471
Dingle Lane and Dingle Lane School (demolished).
Dingle Lane, to the east of No. 30, was one of the ways from the High Street to the Isle of Dogs until the southern part was removed by the construction of the West India Docks. There was some building along it by the early eighteenth century, (ref. 357) and in the early nineteenth century Tucker's Court (begun by Thomas Hale) and Dingle Court were built on its south side. (ref. 358) They consisted of a double row of 14 back-to-back two-storey cottages, each with two rooms and a kitchen or scullery.
http://www.merchantnetworks.com.au/periods/1800after/1800dunbar.htm
Edward and John were very well paid in the employ of Duncan Dunbar.....nb shipwrights the ships tariff of 64 shares divided among crew...remnants of days of (piracy?). A ships carpenter below 1st mate was the second best paid job on ships compliment.
The great ship builders of the 17th and 18th centuries came from Durham and Scotland. The Collingwoods of Durham were mostly sea farers, 'MASTER MARINERS' AND ship builders and came to London after the English Civil WAR...A line of Collingwoods held office as The High Sheriffs of Northumberland, more research is needed to find our connections here.
BUT one thing stands out...the early Collingwoods of the 15th to the 18th centuries, the Williams, the Johns and Edwards all seem to be wealthier than their later shipworking descendants.
They came to London and spread throughout the World and some made money from legal or illegal piracy/privateering. There is scant evidence that this 'bounty' the pirates share has been used to finance the apprenticeships of their descendants and many traditions of the Golden Age of the Pirates have been carried down through three centuries into the shipping industry ! The pirates 'code' of sharing the bounty and helping those on board that become retired through ill health or injury lends this tradition as a forerunner to today's unions! How else did they make the money in those days for highly skilled training of shipwrights and in some cases the financing of 'Victuallers Stores' and Inns around the Wapping and Ratcliffe areas of Stepney? How did they form the 'closed' shop of the father to son in the Dock Trade and the Guilds of Shipwrights, Sawyers, Cordwainers and Ropemakers?
Admiral Nelson utilized Swedish ropemaking techniques to be used in the roperies of Limehouse and a contingency of Swedish volunteers enlisted on Nelson's ships at Trafalgar to maintain the correct application of roping....there is something quite intriguing about our historical past in the ship and dock trades, my research may take me further...
Daniel Collingwood, Edward Henry's direct Great-Great-Grandson
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Did Edward Henry Collingwood plan to live in Australia? Some evidence is becoming available that his son Edward Robert, b. 1842 may have indeed emigrated to Melbourne after 1861. I am currently trying to find out the truth of E.R.
He was carpenter's mate to his dad E.H. on the ship Camperdown, 1859 travelling to Sydney. Maybe this was a 'feeler' to see if Australia was worth moving to. Old man Edward may have spent time there but he always came home to his family roots. If young Robert, did in fact move to Australia could Old Henry have been on a 'working' visit to his son via Hong Kong,1878 on the Dharwar, where he died in a hospital there from fever (pneumonia)?
Some posters on roots-chat have found evidence for an Edward Collingwood that died in 1896, father also called EDWARD. And some refs to an Edward Collingwood travelling between Melbourne and Sydney in April 1874 as a steerage passenger on the Dandenong steamer....needs some more research?
http://mariners.records.nsw.gov.au/1874/04/063dan.htm
As it appears that Old Henry's son Edward Robert went missing, i'd like to put it out to researchers who may already know what happened to my great-grand uncle? He was born 101 years before i was born, which i find fascinating.
http://mariners.records.nsw.gov.au/results.htm?cx=004861337844262330206%3Ayq_2tgjydtg&cof=FORID%3A11&q=dandenong-april+1874&sa=Search&siteurl=mariners.records.nsw.gov.au%2Fsearch.htm&ref=www.GenesReunited.co.uk%2Fboards%2Fboard%2Ftrying_to_find%2Fthread%2F1096458&ss=18411j31711437j20
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EDWARD HENRY COLLINGWOOD. I am in the employ of a shipwright I was employed in taking some copper off the ship Earl Grey, belonging to Mr. Duncan Dunbar—I threw the copper on the punt—I can swear to all this copper, except two pieces—it came off that ship—two of these pieces in particular I can swear to, and the other I have no doubt of—they were all in the punt, which was under the ship's acting as a stage for me to work at the vessel—I know this piece by my own marking on it, and this one by its acting as a brace under the pump case.
http://www.british-history.ac.uk/report.aspx?compid=46508
Edward Henry's father was John Collingwood, 1776 - 1821.
..he was only 45yrs and i believe he died from a lung related illness from his trade as a ropemaker?
John Tucker's whitelead paint yard was almost within the ropeyards .Ropes were
tarred for protection against seawater and the mills were within the
same 'yards.' Most industry workers died of lung diseases especially
those involving tarring and whitelead paintmaking. I'm only guessing
but at around 1810 the rope industry was tough and i think John took
work close to his home in Tuckers Court Alley where his son Edward
Henry also grew up and worked as a shipwright. Edward moved closer to
the East India Docks so that he could embark to sea from there working
on ships and to escape the perils his dad endured with dangerous
chemicals. Edward was 4yrs old when his dad John died in 1821. He moved to No.6 Cawdor St, WHICH is covered by the entrance of the Blackwall Tunnel Approach, A12 (part of the old
Brunswick Rd, that runs to my dad's last home in St Leonards St. E3
As far as i can deduce Edward moved from Cawdor St, to Ellerthorpe St, which was cleared in 1951 for the new Lansbury Market project. Ellerthorpe St continued on from Ricardo St,THROUGH TO THE CURRENT market entrance.
His children, ie my Great-grandfather, Alfred Daniel,b 1846 were i believed born at Tuckers Court Alley.This place was close to the Poplar Workhouse and was also home for some rough 'Irish Cockneys'.
My grand father Alfred Daniel, b 1879 was never seen by his grandfather Edward Henry who died in Hong Kong the year before he was born, 1878. I am trying to establish the Collingwood connections with historical events eg the English Civil War, The High Sheriffs of Northumberland, Trafalgar, the pubs around Wapping, and the possibility that some may have sailed on pirate ships including Captain William Kydd.
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Northumberland and the seafaring shipbuilders of Durham, North Shields and Newcastle were an early source of mass migration to London, the Provinces and to foreign lands after the ENGLISH CIVIL WAR. Depending on their religion and which side they were on (Cromwellian or Royalists) may have determined their fate for those that supported Cromwell. Businesses and land owners enjoyed limited freedom if they were 'on Cromwell's side' but were eventually stripped of their lands and businesses when James II was eventually restored to the throne after Cromwell had his father James I beheaded.
Many feared that the throne would eventually be restored and had taken early refuge elsewhere and sold lands and businesses if they were against the Royalists. Thousands were eventually put on trial and stripped of their assets, imprisoned or executed.
Among those from the North East Counties were the Collingwoods of Northumberland and Durham and over the next 60years since Cromwell died 1649 - 1710 hundreds of impoverished ship owners and business land barons had migrated towards London and the Thames Dockyards. Some preferred to 'get lost' abroad signing up on the shipping trade routes hoping to make their fortune and resettle abroad. Some came back to London with enough money to buy Inns and Victuallers Wine stores and setting up small franchises with local businessmen. John Law was one such person that bought smuggled or stolen boun'ty and set up a business "selling back the goods" for a tidy 10% profit to the original owners...and it was legal !
Many ex-mariners that had also sailed on privateer exhibitions touted the docksides recruiting able men to join 'gangs' for the 'next merchant sketship' to set sail. The old London Dock at Wapping was a favourite haunt of 'pirate cum privateer' ships where wannabe crews were recruited and 'sold their tickets'. These 'tickets' eventually were handed down to brothers or sons. The ticket tout was born. So was the dockers 'gang' born from the early days of the pirates as the 'ganger' always picked his own crew from those that had 'tickets'. Dock side employment became a closed shop.
Apprenticeships were very costly, yet many a-mariner was able to pay for their sons to learn exclusive trades? My early ancestors were all apprenticed:- from 1690 - John the Master Mariner, 1710 - Edward the Upholsterer(ships outfitter), 1757 - John the Sailmaker/shipwright, 1790 - John the Ropemaker and 1831- Edward Henry Master Shipwright. They made good money but around end of the 17th century money from the shipping trade was often made by crews joining a pirate ship sailing uneder the banner of a privateer...a ticket from the Realm that seemed to make it all legal.....AND the bounties nearly always ended up at John Laws warehouse, that eventually became The Corn Exchange !
Those sailing on privateers often did so using an alias, in case the entered into illegality. The two seamen listed on Kidd's ship the Adventurer Colliness and Collings could really be synonyms for Collingwood.....However, you'll see by the similar names listed many were of the same families. They made their fortunes on one trip and thence were able to finance their childrens' education.
The Golden Age of the Pirates lasted only 35yrs...whilst 'privateering' was prevalent for over 300yrs.
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Nb imo... John Collings, Edward Colliness and Phillip Conninghame are bogus and are derivatives of 'COLLINGWOOD'..probably of the same family.
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http://groups.yahoo.com/group/handcousins/message/6821
SOURCE:
Sponsor: Institute of Historical Research
Publication: Calendar of State Papers Colonial, America and West Indies
URL: http://www.british-history.ac.uk/report.aspx?compid=71340.
There are also biographical details of some of the crew at Appendix II of:
Treasure and Intrigue: The Legacy of Captain Kidd
Copy of articles of agreement between Capt. William Kidd, Commander of
the good ship Adventure, and John Walker, Quartermaster. Sept. 10,
1696.... Signed, William Kidd. Subscribed and agreed to by the ship's
company;
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(Photos courtesy Chris Nelson .....thanks Chris)
http://goo.gl/eI3gTr
Edward (Henry) Collingwood
Birth: 1817
Death: Oct. 24, 1878, Hong Kong
Carpenter British Ship 'Dharwar'.
Born at Blackwall.
Burial:
Hong Kong Cemetery
Happy Valley
Hong Kong Island, Hong Kong
http://www.bruzelius.info/Nautica/Ships/Merchant/Sail/D/Dharwar(1864).html
SISTER SHIP
http://mariners.records.nsw.gov.au/1875/02/005cut.htm
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Edward Henry Collingwood - my grandad's grandad
http://www.findagrave.com/cgi-bin/fg.cgi?page=pis&MRid=46907585&PImrid=46907585&PIpi=81967311ets
Just before my grand father died in 1949 (Alfred Daniel Collingwood 1879 - 1949) i visited him at my gran's from infant school which was only yards away in Alton Street, Poplar. Rushing in for my 'daily' sweets ...grandad was sitting upright in his chair, motionless with a deathly, gaunt, sullen stare. He was dying in front of me. I was six years old. Gran ushered me out and told me grandad was ill. As i ran back out of the house a doctor arrived. That was the day he died. Grandad was Edward Henry's grandson and that deathly look has remained with me all my life.
When i saw the onlytue photo of Edward Henry, I was haunted all over again. His image was almost identical with his gaunt look and popular Victorian moustache...dead ringers in more ways than one.t
My gran (Alice Collingwood 1880 - 1951) ran a small sweet shop cum newsagents during the 1930's. Reputedly she gave more sweets away than she sold. Her small shop was at No. 1 Crisp St, Poplar almost opposite the statue of Richard 'Dickie' Green (outside the East India Dock Road swimming baths)with his faithful dog Hector at his feet. His statue was to commemorate his charitable work for the poor and his enormous work in the building of some of the best sailing frigates at Blackwall and the newly constructed East India Docks. His family and his father George Green built the Seamans' Rest Home and the famous George Green Grammar School in the East India Dock Road.
'Dickie' as he was affectionately known often carried a pocket full of sixpencies which, with Hector tagging along,gave them to the poor on his many walks around the streets of Poplar. Another huge pocket contained sweets for the poor kids that followed him around....the ragamuffins of the East End. Dickie died in 1863 the year following the demise of Duncan Dunbar. Edward Henry had now moved to the Blackwall East India Docks to work and sail on some of the famous frigates of Green & Co and the infamous Money Wigram.
70 years on, Gran must have had some knowledge of Dickie Green and his work involving the poor kids of Blackwall and Poplar...after all she gave most of her sweets away and long after she stopped trading, she always had jars of sweets in her house to give to the kids?
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January-1863
President Lincoln issues the Emancipation Proclamation, which states, "All slaves in areas still in rebellion are freed." The proclamation also enables the recruitment of federal regiments of African-American volunteer soldiers. The best-known battle of the Civil War is fought at Gettysburg, Pennsylvania, July 1-3. General Robert E. Lee sustains 20,400 casualties and retreats to Virginia. The Union army fails to capitalize on the victory and the Confederates escape. On July 4, Vicksburg, Mississippi surrenders to General U.S. Grant, thus opening the Mississippi River to U.S. forces.
Lincoln statue
http://goo.gl/LMyJhe
and talking of dead ringers? (similar i think?)
January 1863
Richard Green died.
http://www.geograph.org.uk/photo/863562
Edward Henry Collingwood was now well established as a master shipwright working for Green and Wigram at Blackwall having moved from the West India Docks to the new East India yards.
He sailed many clippers and frigates depicted here:
http://www.19thcenturyshipportraitsinprints.com/lptgd-bf.html
http://www.brind.co.uk/Brind/brinddoc/world/newzeal/whaler/blackwall.html
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25 Apr 1698 Married John COLLINGWOOD husb of Mary BARKER(widow) Stepney, St. Dunstan MDX mariner of Wapping
http://www.oldbaileyonline.org/browse.jsp?id=t17480526-18-person216&div=t17480526-18#highlight
Margaret Collingwood (nee Todd)- husband a master mariner(Guinea coast), resided at Queen Anne Court, leading off Farthing Fields. Highly probable that this is the mother of (Edward?)the Sawyer, b 1737 ? and apprenticed (about 1750 aged 13yrs -1757)?
04 Jan 1737 Christened John COLLINGWOOD son of John & Margaret. Stepney, St. Dunstan 1736/37 age 28 days, father an upholsterer of Ratcliffe
Upholsterers were usually master tradesmen skilled in all aspects of of ship's fittings and were often skilled as shipwrights, sailmakers, etc. These skills were often required before a mariner could manage a ship as 'Master' or Master Mariner.
16 Dec 1757 Edward John COLLINGWOOD Woolwich Yard KEN TNA Foreman's apprentice to John Puckley of Woolwich yard; duty 9s paid @ 6d on £18/-/- on 24 Dec 1757
Oct 1764 Married Edward COLLINGWOOD husb of Elizabeth POINTER Limehouse, St. Anne MDX
Edward John's children......
15 Jan 1773 Christened John COLLINGWOOD son of Edward & Elizth. Stepney, St. Dunstan MDX age 2 days, father a sawyer of Poplar >>>>died in infancy.......
.....01 Aug 1773 Buried John COLLINGWOOD Stepney, St. Dunstan MDX of Poplar, buried at Ratcliffe? infant aged 9months?
17 Jul 1774 C Elizabeth Mary COLLINGWOOD dau of Edward & Elizabeth Stepney, St. Dunstan MDX age 28 days, father a sawyer of Poplar
18 Aug 1776 C John Edward COLLINGWOOD son of John Edward & Elizth. Stepney, St. Dunstan MDX PR age 13 days, father a sawyer of Poplar
(John Edward the Ropemaker 1776 - 1821 age 45yrs)
John the ropemaker's children....
01 Jul 1804 C John COLLINGWOOD son of John & Elizabeth Stepney, St Dunstan MDX father a ropemaker of Poplar
01 Oct 1806 C Mary COLLINGWOOD dau of John & Elizabeth Stepney, Saint Dunstan MDX
05 Mar 1809 C George Edward COLLINGWOOD son of John & Elizabeth Stepney, St. Dunstan MDX born 3 Jan 1809, father a ropemaker of Poplar
12 Feb 1815 C James William COLLINGWOOD son of John Edward & Elizabeth Limehouse, St. Anne MDX born 18 Jan 1815, father a ropemaker of Limehouse
05 Aug 1817 C EDWARD HENRY COLLINGWOOD son of John Edward & Elizabeth Limehouse, St. Anne MDX born 5 Jul 1817, father a ropemaker of Limehouse
Edward Henry Collingwood; born 5 July 1817, christened at St. Anne, Limehouse, MDX.
He married 3 March 1840 at Poplar, MDX Ann Merritt.
Children: 1842: Edward Robert Collingwood
1843: Frederick Henry Collingwood ...1846 - Alfred Daniel Collingwood
1849: Sarah Ann Collingwood .......1853 - James Thomas Collingwood
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THE BLACKWALL FRIGATES
BY
BASIL LUBBOCK
Author of "The China Clippers": "The Colonial Clippers,
'•Round the Horn before the Mast"; "Jack Derringer,
a Tale of Deep Water" ; and "Deep Sea Warriors
First printed in 1922 ...93 years ago!
I suppose it is only fitting that an author of those times could conceivably find the time and effort to research such a huge amount of material which mostly would be lost to history by modern times. A tenement block of flats(apartments) is named in his honour, ie. Lubbock House in Poplar High Street.
Fantastic and colourful account of the ships and their journeys built at BLACKWALL. Some of these accounts are 'spine chilling'...like the captain that in order to quell a mutiny from a crew of Lascars had them battened down in the 'cargo holds'...then set them alight, thus setting fire to the ship, curious?
click the No. at bottom of each page to read more.
http://www.ebooksread.com/authors-eng/basil-lubbock/the-blackwall-frigates-bbu/page-8-the-blackwall-frigates-bbu.shtml
http://www.ebooksread.com/authors-eng/basil-lubbock/the-blackwall-frigates-bbu/1-the-blackwall-frigates-bbu.shtml
I post this only from the interesting fact that Edward Henry had first hand experience of some of these ships fom Blackwall. On one trip in 1859 he sailed with his eldest son Robert Edward to Australia aboard the 'Camperdown' as carpenter and carpenter's mate. He was aboard the Dharwar when she broke the fastest speed record from Sydney to London in 95days. Her sister ship 'Cutty Sark' retained the record later on and remains on record as the 'fastest tea-clipper'
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CORRECTION to my post re- Monday 05 October 15 23:16 BST (UK) »
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Northumberland and the seafaring shipbuilders of Durham, North Shields and Newcastle were an early source of mass migration to London, the Provinces and to foreign lands after the ENGLISH CIVIL WAR. Depending on their religion and which side they were on (Cromwellian or Royalists) may have determined their fate for those that supported Cromwell. Businesses and land owners enjoyed limited freedom if they were 'on Cromwell's side' but were eventually stripped of their lands and businesses when *James II was eventually restorVed to the throne after Cromwell had his father *James I beheaded.he
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Of course this silly oversight should have read>>>>
....when *CHARLES II was eventually restored to the throne after Cromwell had his father *CHARLES I beheaded.
I apologize for this mistake, Charles I was the son of James I (James VI of Scotland)
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http://goo.gl/x013vs
Robert Southey in his Life of Nelson (pub 1813) credited both John Pollard and Midshipman Francis Edward Collingwood as being the 'avenger of Nelson'. However in a letter to The Times 13 May 1863, John Pollard wrote
'It is true my old shipmate Collingwood who has now been dead some years came up on the poop for a short time. I had discovered the men crouching in the top of the Redoutable and pointed them out to him, when he took up his musket and fired once; he then left the poop, I conclude, to return to his station on the quarter deck… I remained firing till there was not a man to be seen in the top; the last one I saw coming down the mizzen rigging and he fell from my fire also… I was ushered into the ward room where Sir Thomas Hardy and other officers were assembled and complimented by them as the person who avenged Lord Nelson's death.'
http://welshjournals.llgc.org.uk/browse/viewpage/llgc-id:1165908/llgc-id:1166683/llgc-id:1166695/getText
Francis Edward Collingwood had distant connections to John Collingwood-the Ropemaker 1776-1821 and was a distant cousin. The line of ascendancy seems to be lost.
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Battle of Trafalgar and the Collingwood connection
Many researchers of the 'Collingwood line' have failed to make a connection to the famous admiral. Because he had only two daughters there are no male heirs and 'his line' and the Baronetcy ceased on his death in 1810. So, we look elsewhere to find the closest 'lines' that link up the 'Collingwoods'
Gordon Collingwood (who is a distant cousin of mine traces his ancestry back through James William Collingwood, b. 1815 son of John the ropemaker) says in his "Collingwood-Guide To One Name Studies" (Google) that most lineages of the Collingwoods' have but possibly only two origins.
Conceivably, therefore we all share a common source so somewhere in the mix our ancestors do stem off from each branch no matter how far we go back...even before the Calinwodes a thousand years ago.
Francis Edward Collingwood joined the Victory at Spithead only weeks before Trafalgar. I often wonder if his assignment was noted by the famous Admiral...of course it must have been? Why did he join Nelson's ship and not Collingwood's ship of the line 'The Royal Sovereign? Hailing from Pembrokeshire, Francis' own father and grandfather had connections in the Woolwich and Deptford docks and i believe he was connected to the admiral in some way. Maybe he was a nephew or a 'relative' had connections to influence the admiral to assign this brilliant young midshipman? After all, Francis Edward shone at Trafalgar appeasing Nelson's death by a French sniper. He rose through the ranks and became a commander himself. Francis remains an enigma but I suspect Lord Collingwood had some influences over his gradual promotions...he liked him !
After commanding a small frigate, HMS Pelican, in which he was shipwrecked by a hurricane in 1781, Collingwood was promoted to 64 gun ship of the line HMS Sampson, and in 1783 he was appointed to HMS Mediator and posted to the West Indies, where he remained until the end of 1786, again, together with Nelson and this time his brother, Captain WILFRED COLLINGWOOD preventing American ships from trading with the West Indies.
LETTERS FROM NELSON TO HIS DEAR FRIEND LORD COLLINGWOOD on the death of his brother Captain Wilfred Collingwood at St. Vincent - 1787
https://goo.gl/7s4IHx
In 1786 Collingwood returned to England, where, with the exception of a voyage to the West Indies, he remained until 1793. In that year, he was appointed captain of HMS Prince, the flagship of Rear Admiral George Bowyer in the Channel Fleet. On 16 June 1791, Collingwood married Sarah Blackett, daughter of the Newcastle merchant and politician John Erasmus Blackett and granddaughter of Robert Roddam (1711–1744) of Hethpoole and Caldburne (not to be confused with his former commander, later Admiral, Robert Roddam).
"The history books tend to give all the glory to Nelson. In fact, they were equal partners." Historian Andrew Griffin.
The Battle of Trafalgar has become inextricably linked with the name of Lord Nelson, but Admiral Cuthbert Collingwood's involvement was huge.
The battle remains one of the most famous and crucial in British naval history, and celebrated its 210th anniversary this year-2015.
On October 21, 1805 the combined forces of France and Spain were annihilated by the English fleet following a bloody battle.
There were many heroes that day, not least Nelson, who was mortally injured in the fighting.
As Nelson lay dying, Collingwood took control amongst the thunderous battle that raged all around him.
In routing the French and Spanish enemy forces from his ship, the Royal Sovereign, Collingwood defeated the foreign forces.
Had the Royal Navy lost the battle, Napoleon with his 115,000 troops based at Boulogne, would have swept across the channel and invaded England.
With Collingwood's help the British Navy did not lose a single ship at Trafalgar, and the country was saved from invasion.
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A bit of research may get us closer to Lord Admiral Collingwood. This tableau is a magnificent aid to those researching the 'Collingwood' lines. Jane Collingwood was 2nd cousin to His Lordship....
http://www3.sympatico.ca/dljordan/parker-edwards.htm
William married Jane Collingwood on December 28, 1766. Jane Collingwood was born about 1740 and died about 1815. Her father was Captain Edward Collingwood, who was born about 1694 and died July 13, 1779 in Greenwich, England. Edward was the son of Edward Collingwood (born about 1660 and died in 1721) and Mary Bigge (born about 1663). Captain Collingwood married twice. His first marriage was to Mary Rodham and his second to Jane Carlton. Jane Carlton was born about 1712 in Greenwich and died February 19, 1791 at the Royal Naval Hospital in Greenwich, England. Jane Collingwood was the daughter of Edward Collingwood by his second wife, Jane Carlton.
Admiral Sir William Parker was the eldest. His sister Sarah, was christened March 11, 1744 at Queenborough, Kent. She died unmarried December 4, 1791. A brother Augustine was christened Feb 9,1746 at Queenborough. A sister, Elizabeth Parker, was born October 11, 1748 at Queenborough, Kent, England. She married William Head on July 19, 1785 in Queenborough. A child named Elizabeth Head was born February 9, 1787 also at Queenborough, Kent, England. Another sister Susannah was born and died 1750. A younger brother, Capt. Robert Parker of HMS Intrepid was born April 8, 1753 and died Nov 23, 1797. He married and had 8 children
William and Jane Collingwood Parker had seven daughters and one son. The daughters were named Jane, Sarah, Susanna, Harriet, Ann, Mary and Elizabeth. Harriet is the only daughter who never married. The only son, William George, was born in 1787. He married August 29, 1808, Elizabeth Still, (born 1791)the daughter of James Charles Still of East Knoyle in County Wiltshire and Charlotte Wake. He left a large family and died a vice admiral March 24, 1848.( This information from the book "A Naval Biographical Dictionary" by W.R. O'Byrne published in 1849.) One of the daughters of William George Parker and Elizabeth Still was Fanny Catharine who married Charles Bligh in 1837 and died in 1894. One daughter was named Clara and another daughter, Elizabeth Charlotte was born in 1816 in England. Two of the sons married in Toronto. Melville Parker married Jesse Hector in 1847 and Albert Parker married Lucy Henrietta Jennings in 1851.
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25 Apr 1698 Married John COLLINGWOOD husb of Mary BARKER(widow) Stepney, St. Dunstan MDX mariner of Wapping
Jane Muscoe, married John Collingwood in 1714 in Barking, Essex. was a *victualler in Ratcliffe, St. Dunstan, Stepney, Middlesex, England when he died.
His widow, Jane Collingwood, died in St. Ann's in Soho in the 1740's.
John Collingwood died in Ratcliffe, about 1727 St. Dunstan, Stepney, Middlesex, England. In his will, he left his wife, Jane ( Muscoe ) Collingwood, property. His siblings mentioned in the will were Elizabeth Collingwood, Sarah Parker, William Collingwood, and George Collingwood. His will mentions a home or property in Surrey, England. After her death, it was left to John Collingwood's sister, Sarah Parker.
*Victuallers in Ratcliffe in the 18th century were often retired master mariners or crafted seaman that had made enough money to safeguard their retirement could have been as early as 45yrs Spending twenty to thirty years on ships it was one of the trades they could easily turn their hand to. Some married into trades owned by widows.
About Ratcliffe. This was a Parish of St Dunstan's and no longer officially exists. Situated between Shadwell and Limehouse, St Annes Where Edward Henry Collingwood was christened.
Ratcliffe from the middle ages was a haunt of pirates, prostitutes, cut-throats, privateering and merchant shipping. If you lived in Ratcliffe, Wapping or Limehouse you were almost certainly involved in the shipping trades or trades associated with the sea and dockyards.
The 'Collingwoods' in the Wapping and Ratcliffe areas where nearly all related with an irritating affinity to 'John or Edward'. This often makes researching them difficult.
Some took on apprenticeships across the river at the Woolwich and Deptford Yards and settled there.
Margaret Collingwood - husband a master mariner(Guinea coast), resided at Queen's Court, leading off Farthing Fields. Highly probable that this is the mother of (Edward?)the Sawyer, b 1737 and apprenticed (about 1750 aged 13yrs -1757)?
16 Dec 1757 Edward John COLLINGWOOD Woolwich Yard KEN TNA Foreman's apprentice to John Puckley of Woolwich yard; duty 9s paid @ 6d on £18/-/- on 24 Dec 1757
Oct 1764 Married Edward COLLINGWOOD husb of Elizabeth POINTER Limehouse, St. Anne
18 Aug 1776 C John Edward COLLINGWOOD son of John Edward & Elizth. Stepney, St. Dunstan MDX PR age 13 days, father a sawyer of Poplar
(John Edward the Ropemaker 1776 - 1821 age 45yrs)
05 Aug 1817 C EDWARD HENRY COLLINGWOOD son of John Edward & Elizabeth Limehouse, St. Anne MDX born 5 Jul 1817, father a ropemaker of Limehouse
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William and Jane Collingwood Parker had seven daughters and one son. The daughters were named Jane, *Sarah, Susanna, Harriet, Ann, Mary and Elizabeth. Harriet is the only daughter who never married.
http://www3.sympatico.ca/dljordan/parker-edwards.htm
John Collingwood died in Ratcliffe, about 1727 St. Dunstan, Stepney, Middlesex, England. In his will, he left his wife, Jane ( Muscoe ) Collingwood, property. His siblings mentioned in the will were Elizabeth Collingwood, *Sarah Parker, William Collingwood, and George Collingwood. His will mentions a home or property in Surrey, England.
After her death, it was left to John Collingwood's sister, *Sarah Parker. (coincidence?)
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Was there a Nelson connection or possibly some distant lineage to Admiral Collingwood?
Milford was used for building warships for the RN at about the time of Francis's birth. Nelson was asked to visit the town to inspect the shipyards.
Francis Edward Collingwood grew up in Hubberstone, Milford and began his training there for Naval service. He was earmarked as officer material....and Nelson wanted him to serve in his flagship the Victory as a midshipman. Was this influenced by Admiral Cuthbert Collingwood? After Trafalgar he was soon promoted to lieutenant and became a commander. If there is a connection to Admiral Collingwood i'm sure i'll find it. My own family have always believed that we are related through a line of distant cousins to Francis Edward Collingwood that settled south of the Thames and took to work in the more favoured yards at Woolwich and Deptford.
Born in Hubberstone, Milford, England on 23 May 1785 to Francis Collingwood and Sarah Richbell. Francis Edward married Ellen Collis and had 4 children. He passed away on 15 Nov 1835 aged 50 in Ballynahglish.
Family Members
Parents
Francis Collingwood
1745-1799
Sarah Richbell
Spouse(s)
Ellen Collis
Children
Cuthbert Collingwood
1825-Unknown
Francis Edward Collingwood
1825-Unknown
Samuel Collingwood
1827-Unknown
Thomas Richbell Collingwood
1833-Unknown
http://welshjournals.llgc.org.uk/browse/viewpage/llgc-id:1165908/llgc-id:1166683/llgc-id:1166695/getText
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William married Jane Collingwood on December 28, 1766. Jane Collingwood was born about 1740 and died about 1815. Her father was Captain Edward Collingwood, who was born about 1694 and died July 13, 1779 in Greenwich, England.
Parents
Edward Collingwood
1660-1721
Mary Bigge
1663-Unknown
Spouse(s)
Mary Rodham
1700-1783
Jane Carlton
1712-1791
Children
Winifred Collingwood
1744-Unknown
Carlton Collingwood
1746-1871
John Trevor Collingwood
1738-1796
Jane Collingwood
1740-1815
Edward Collingwood
1743-1809
Francis Collingwood
1745-1799
{Francis Edward Collingwood of Trafalgar 1785-1835 was the son of 'Francis Collingwood of Greenwich Esq. by
Sarah, sister of Captain Thomas Richbell RN, Chief Magistrate of the
Thames Police'.105 His grandfather, Edward Collingwood, had been Master
Attendant at Plymouth, Portsmouth, Chatham and Deptford Dockyards. His great Grandfather was Captain Edward Collingwood, 1660-1721}
Susannah Collingwood
1748-1818
Many Collingwoods' made the connections from Ratcliffe and Wapping as they moved to the ship building yards, sawmills and roperies of Woolwich, Greenwich and Deptford shipyards. This should prove interesting and may lead us to the ship building yards and sawmills and roperies. The line from Edward Henry the shipwright through John the ropemaker looks likely that 'cousins' will make the connection to Francis Edward Collingwood and his lineage to to Admiral Cuthbert Collingwood.
Edward was the son of Edward Collingwood (born about 1660 and died in 1721) and Mary Bigge (born about 1663). Captain Collingwood married twice. His first marriage was to Mary Rodham and his second to Jane Carlton. Jane Carlton was born about 1712 in Greenwich and died February 19, 1791 at the Royal Naval Hospital in Greenwich, England. Jane Collingwood was the daughter of Edward Collingwood by his second wife, Jane Carlton.
Admiral Sir William Parker was the eldest. His sister Sarah, was christened March 11, 1744 at Queenborough, Kent. She died unmarried December 4, 1791. A brother Augustine was christened Feb 9,1746 at Queenborough. A sister, Elizabeth Parker, was born October 11, 1748 at Queenborough, Kent, England. She married William Head on July 19, 1785 in Queenborough. A child named Elizabeth Head was born February 9, 1787 also at Queenborough, Kent, England. Another sister Susannah was born and died 1750. A younger brother, Capt. Robert Parker of HMS Intrepid was born April 8, 1753 and died Nov 23, 1797. He married and had 8 children
William and Jane Collingwood Parker had seven daughters and one son. The daughters were named Jane, Sarah, Susanna, Harriet, Ann, Mary and Elizabeth. Harriet is the only daughter who never married. The only son, William George, was born in 1787. He married August 29, 1808, Elizabeth Still, (born 1791)the daughter of James Charles Still of East Knoyle in County Wiltshire and Charlotte Wake. He left a large family and died a vice admiral March 24, 1848.( This information from the book "A Naval Biographical Dictionary" by W.R. O'Byrne published in 1849.) One of the daughters of William George Parker and Elizabeth Still was Fanny Catharine who married Charles Bligh in 1837 and died in 1894. One daughter was named Clara and another daughter, Elizabeth Charlotte was born in 1816 in England. Two of the sons married in Toronto. Melville Parker married Jesse Hector in 1847 and Albert Parker married Lucy Henrietta Jennings in 1851.
The second Admiral Sir William Parker lived from 1781 to 1866 and served as Admiral of the Fleet. He was born on December 1, 1781, the third son of George Parker of Almington, Staffordshire, England. George Parker, his father, was the second son of Sir Thomas Parker, who had been lord chief baron of the exchequer. Sir Thomas Parker's nephew was John Jervis, first earl of St. Vincent, who had married Martha Parker, George Parker's half-sister.
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The connection is made from this account of The Royal Navy Memoirs of the services of the flag-officers. Through his ancestry to he MUST be related to the Lord Admiral Collingwood and Admiral Parker. I now believe his introduction to Nelson's Victory was influenced both by his Uncle, Captain Thomas Richbell and the Admiral himself. I also note that in this report written by serving officers at the time "....he fired repeatedly..." at the french sniper, with no mention of John Pollard. However, my own view is that they both shot him and should both get the credit. I am still researching to see if a line to my own ancestry meets the line back to any of the High Sheriffs of Eslington, Dissington, Lilburn and Unthank Hall.
https://archive.org/stream/cihm_37593/cihm_37593_djvu.txt
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FRANCIS EDWARD COLLINGWOOD RN
Is descended from a very ancient family, the COLLINGWOODS of Eslington, co. Northumberland, of which sixteen were High Sheriffs and led by their attachment to the House of Stuart, suffered a great reverse of fortune, in 1715. His grandfather, Edward, successively master attendant of the dock-yards at Plymouth, Portsmouth, Chatham, and Deptford, *(the first person of the name of Collingwood whom we find mentioned in our naval annals), sailed round the world, as midshipman, with Anson, by whom he was ever afterwards patronised, and was master of the Victory, first rate, flag- ship of Admiral Sir John Balchen short time previous to her loss, in Oct. 1744 *.
Francis Edward Collingwood, only son of Francis Collingwood of Greenwich, Esq by Sarah, sister to the late Captain Thomas Richbell was born at Milford, co. Pembroke and entered the royal navy, as midshipman on board the America, commanded by his *uncle-in-law, the late Vice Admiral Sir William Parker and subsequently served in the Pheasant sloop, Beaulieu and Alligator frigates, Elephant and Victory bearing the flag of the immortal Nelson, whose death he avenged by shooting the French rifleman who had, after 'repeated' attempts, succeeded in mortally wounding that illustrious hero at the ever memorable battle of Trafalgar. During that tremendous conflict, he was sent from his quarters on the poop, where the carnage was most dreadful, with a few men, to assist in extinguishing a fire on board the French 74 gun ship, le Redoubtable, which service he performed in a manner highly satisfactory to his captain, the *present Sir Thomas M. Hardy. His promotion to the rank of lieutenant took place on the 22d Jan. 1806.
After serving for some time in the Queen, flag-ship of Admiral Lord Collingwood, and Bahama, one of the Spanish ships captured off Trafalgar, this officer was appointed to the. Pallas in which frigate we find him present, under the command of Captain (now Sir George F.) Seymour, at the destruction of five French men-of-war in Aix Roads, April 12th 1809. In the ensuing summer, he accompanied the grand expedition sent against Antwerp, and was constantly employed in guard boats and on shore, during the occupation of Walcheren.
His next appointment was Dec. 13th 1809 to be first lieutenant of the Iris in which ship he continued for a period of five years.
Alderney, many guns were heard on the nights of the 4th and 5th, but
the weather was too tempestuous to hazard boats out to their assistance.
In this ship perished near one thousand men, besides fifty volunteers,
sons of the first nobility and gentry in the kingdom.
The Iris was principally employed in co-operation with the patriots on the north coast of Spain, where Lieutenant Collingwood appears to have been a constant volunteer for boat and shore service; and on many occasions obtained the particular approbation of Captain Sir George Collier, senior officer of the squadron on that station.
Nov. 1814, Mr. Coliingwood was appointed first lieutenant of the Niger under Captain Peter Rainier, for a short time on the Cape of Good Hope station.
In December 1820, he obtained the command of the Kite revenue cruiser,employed on the coast of Ireland, where he continued for the usual period of three years. During this time he had two ribs and his breast bone fractured, was wounded by a pike through the leg, and received two severe contusions on the head, he was also washed overboard in a heavy gale of wind, and must have perished, all his boats having been previously lost, had not a following sea thrown him on the
square-sail brace, to which he clung until assisted in-board.
His promotion to the rank of commander took place January 15th, 1828.
This officer(Francis Edward Collingwood) married, in May 1822, Ellen second daughter of the late Rev. Samuel Collis, of Fort William, co. Kerry, by whom he has several children. His only surviving sister was the wife of Dr. J. D. Burke, late surgeon of H. M. dockyard at Pembroke, and is *now the widow of the Rev. Hugh Taylor.
*(nb these texts are written in the past tense as they were at the time. I have tried to 'correct' the numerous typos in transcribing)
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Mrs Mary Wiseman's Bequest left £1,000 in her will Jan 1758 to train six young boys as shipwrights at Woolwich Yard. The one condition was that they had to be sons of deceased shipwrights of the Woolwich Yard.
https://goo.gl/DV4UGU
The accademy that she created proved successful and the boys were under the watchful eye of the Master Attendant...Edward Collingwood grand father of Francis Edward Collingwood of Trafalgar initiated and encouraged the training of boys to become sawyers and shipwrights.
https://goo.gl/DV4UGU
Edward (John) Collingwood the sawyer and father of John the ropemaker died when he was 4yrs old in 1821. He most likely used his father's and grandfather's 'tickets' and went on to become a 'freelance' shipwright working for Duncan Dunbar until 1862 and then moving on to working for Green and Wigram until his demise in Old Hong Kong, 1878.
I hope to establish a family connection through Edward the Sawyer (nephew?) and Edward the Master Attendant(uncle-in-law?) through Francis of Trafalgar and the Lord Admiral Cuthbert Collingwood and Sir Daniel Collingwood of Brandon
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Edward Collingwood, Master Attendant at Deptford. Have been to Rye with Justly Watson, directing engineer, and have surveyed the Harbour.
Enclosure
Date: 1756 Dec 31
http://discovery.nationalarchives.gov.uk/details/r/C9231499
Mrs Withers school along with Mrs Wiseman's bequest helped finance the training of deceased shipwrights sons and to teach them reading, writing and grammar. Girls were taught to cook and do sewing and needlwork.
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'correction' to my previous post....« Reply #59 on: Thursday 03 December 15 23:49 GMT (UK) »
(should have read)
Edward (John) Collingwood, 1737-1796-7 (the sawyer) and father of John the ropemaker.1776-1821 died when he was 20yrs old in 1796-7. Edward Henry Collingwood was 4yrs old when his father died in 1821 at only 45yrs.
They both had likely used their father's and grandfather's 'tickets' to gain indentured apprenticeships and Edward Henry qualified as the son of a deceased ropemaker and the grandson of the sawyer and went on to become a 'freelance' shipwright working for Duncan Dunbar until 1862 and then moving on to working for Green and Wigram until his demise in Old Hong Kong, 1878.
Edward the Sawyer(some transcipts name him as John Edward) may have been the son of John the Guinea-man(slave trader) and Margaret. The Old Bailey transcript of Margaret's account of her husband's work...when speaking to the jury she said..."Well, gentlemen of the jury my husband is a Guinea-man and has been gone these past six years trading on the Guinea Coast and i have had to take in ironing and plain work". That was in 1748. To be gone six years and no message brought home since he set sail in 1742 suggests he may have died while at sea?
Whatever his eventuality, his son nonetheless qualified for Mrs Mary Wiseman's school of boys under the auspices of John Puckley(Master Shipwright) at the age of 13 to be apprenticed at the Woolwich Yard' 1750-1757. He would have been under the watchful eye of the Master Attendant, Edward Collingwood and i believe this to have been his uncle, grand father of Francis Edward of Trafalgar. Through this lineage i am trying to connect our line from Edward Henry to possibly Wilfred Collingwood and John Collingwood the customs officer...both brothers of the admiral.
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Just a thought................
{ Seven Sisters Road in Harringey and Islington was thought to be named after seven elm trees that were planted in 1730...this famous London road has had a history of families with seven daughters. One William and Ann Collingwood had seven daughters that were all in service in the mid 19th century. This William worked as an office clerk to the East India Company and it is thought that he also moved north to Hackney and Islington. The sisters were often inseparable and regularly walked one behind the other for years and it appeared were very close throughout their lives ??
Of course we have the famous North Londonites, William and Jane Collingwood Parker had seven daughters and one son. The daughters were named Jane, Sarah, Susanna, Harriet, Ann, Mary and Elizabeth. }
..............and i always thought the road was named after them?
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The Dharwar
1872/73
Sailed from San Francisco to Liverpool in 97 days under Captain T. Freebody.
1880
In command of Captain C.W.H. Hutchins.
1883 February 8 - June 4
Sailed from Sydney to London in 116 days.
1883 July 15 - September 30
Sailed from Plymouth with *414 emigrants to Sydney in 77 days. Had to be quarantined at arrival
as there was measles and fever on board.
One of the tasks of a shipwright was to overhaul the copper covering of the hull. Copper sheathing often buckled and bent with the battering of the waves causing 'drag'. Since most of these clippers competed for the fastest times on their journeys often this work was done, if safely possible while at sea.
*It is hard to imagine that these sailing ships could carry over 400 passengers, yet they often did unless they were cargo loaded. Outward bound ships carried troops for India and China to protect and relieve serving soldiers for the East India Company. Disembarking their human cargo they then had to load tea or wool even timber as ballast. When troops were not onboard then a monthly consignment of emigrants or convicts were loaded. The Australian 'wool-fleets' began as the tea trade suffered by competition and the US began their tea trade in the 1860's.
The Dharwar was as fast as the Cutty Sark and the Thermopylae having competed on seperate occasions making the Australian trip under different sea conditions.
http://mariners.records.nsw.gov.au/1875/03/013the.htm
http://www.convictrecords.com.au/ships/earl-grey
Silver Eagle , note over 400 women transporties to Australia?
Convicts or Missionaries or women sailing to re-join their men folk that went before them?
http://mariners.records.nsw.gov.au/1872/05/066sil.htm
Edward Henry Collingwood worked repairing the Earl Grey-convict ship and gave evidence at the 'Bailey,1848.
http://www.oldbaileyonline.org/browse.jsp?id=t18480515-name-918&div=t18480515-1350#highlight
http://www.oldbaileyonline.org/browse.jsp?id=OA17550317n23-2&div=OA17550317#highlight
At the Place of EXECUTION.
ON Monday morning, the 17th instant, about nine o'clock, the several malefactors ordered for execution, were brought out of the press-yard, and being put into three carts, Gill and Delarant , in one; Trevis , Haynes and Burton , in a second; Burk , Preston and Dyson , in a third, were carried to the place of execution, about ten o'clock. When they were tied up to the fatal tree, some time was passed in recommending their souls to divine mercy; and they were very intent to prayers, in the name of Christ and his church, offered up to the throne of grace in their behalf; and prayed as heartily in others, which they repeated for themselves, acknowledging their unworthiness, and dependance only on Christ's merits.
Dyson, at getting into the cart at Newgate, as also when he was in the cart from which he was executed at Tyburn, shewed such extraordinary marks of senselesness of his condition, as surprised every beholder. But where's the wonder, when we consider him as scarce past childhood; having never been exercised, but in puerile amusements; having had no education; and scarce ever having heard there was a God and a future state, till under sentence of death. Notwithstanding, as horrible a dread overwhelmed him, as did, perhaps, any of the rest, who behaved as became people in their last moments.
Only Burk died a Roman catholick ; who declared, as Gill did to the last, that the robbery, for which Isaiah Robbins, now under respite for three weeks, was convicted, was by them committed near Whitechapel- mount , upon Mr. Richardson. Execution was done upon them without any disturbance, tho' a vast multitude were gathered together on the occasion. Their bodies were delivered to their friends.
This is all the Account given by me, JOHN TAYLOR , Ordinary of Newgate.
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THE HIGH SHERIFFS OF NORTHUMBERLAND from the 11th century
to the present day
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/High_Sheriff_of_Northumberland
https://archive.org/stream/cihm_37593/cihm_37593_djvu.txt
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FRANCIS EDWARD COLLINGWOOD RN
Is descended from a very ancient family, the COLLINGWOODS of Eslington, co. Northumberland, of which sixteen were High Sheriffs and led by their attachment to the *House of Stuart, suffered a great reverse of fortune, in 1715. His grandfather, Edward, successively master attendant of the dock-yards at Plymouth, Portsmouth, Chatham, and Deptford, *(the first person of the name of Collingwood whom we find mentioned in our naval annals), sailed round the world, as midshipman, with Anson, by whom he was ever afterwards patronised, and was master of the Victory, first rate, flag- ship of Admiral Sir John Balchen short time previous to her loss, in Oct. 1744 *.
Francis Edward Collingwood, only son of Francis Collingwood of Greenwich, Esq by Sarah, sister to the late Captain Thomas Richbell was born at Milford, co. Pembroke and entered the royal navy, as midshipman on board the America, commanded by his *uncle-in-law, the late Vice Admiral Sir William Parker and subsequently served in the Pheasant sloop, Beaulieu and Alligator frigates, Elephant and Victory bearing the flag of the immortal Nelson, whose death he avenged by shooting the French rifleman who had, after 'repeated' attempts, succeeded in mortally wounding that illustrious hero at the ever memorable battle of Trafalgar. During that tremendous conflict, he was sent from his quarters on the poop, where the carnage was most dreadful, with a few men, to assist in extinguishing a fire on board the French 74 gun ship, le Redoubtable, which service he performed in a manner highly satisfactory to his captain, the *present Sir Thomas M. Hardy. His promotion to the rank of lieutenant took place on the 22d Jan. 1806.
The HIGH SHERIFFS of whom 16 were COLLINGWOODS
1544 Sir John Collingwood of Eslington Hall
1551 Sir Robert Collingwood of Eslington Hall
1568 Cuthbert Collingwood
1580 Cuthbert Collingwood
1647 Edward Collingwood of Dissington Hall
1697 Edward Collingwood of Dissington Hall
1725 Alexander Collingwood of Little Ryle
1761 Alexander Collingwood of Unthank Hall*
1766 Henry Collingwood of Cornhill
1787 Edward Collingwood of Chirton Hall
1793 Henry Collingwood of Lilburn Tower
http://www.british-towns.net/sh/statelyhomes_album.asp?GetPic=48
1824 Edward Collingwood of Dissington Hall
1832 Henry John William Collingwood of Lilburn Tower
1844 Edward John Collingwood of Lilburn Tower
1919 Edward Gordon Collingwood of Dissington Hall
1937 Edward Foyle Collingwood of Lilburn Tower
Researchers tracing back our line of Collingwoods may find this helpful
Sir Daniel Collingwood of Brandon*
http://goo.gl/0BixQ8
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Vice Admiral Baron Cuthbert Collingwood had two brothers...Captain Wilfred Collingwood and John Collingwood 1749 - 1841.
John Collingwood worked in Customs and was the father of Edward John Collingwood, 1815- 1895 High Sheriff of Northumberland (1844) of Lilburn Tower. He was the Grandson of Vice Admiral Baron Cuthbert Collingwood of Trafalgar.
His children were Arthur Burdett Collingwood; Edward John Collingwood; Cuthbert George Collingwood; Anna Elizabeth Collingwood and Adelaide Mary Collingwood.
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Lilburn Tower is a privately owned 19th century mansion house at Lilburn, near Wooler, Northumberland. The property is a Grade II* listed building and forming part of the Lilburn Estate. A number of discrete buildings and monuments are scattered across the grange, including the Hurlestone, Hurlestone Tower, and an astronomical observatory.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lilburn_Tower#/media/File:Lilburn_Tower_-_geograph.org.uk_-_1480533.jpg
Lilburn Tower
The ancient manors of East and West Lilburn were united when both were purchased separately by John Clennell of the Clennel family of Clennell Hall about 1700. The ruinous remains of the old 15th century manor house, known as West Lilburn Tower which incorporated a pele tower are scheduled as an Ancient Monument and protected by Grade II listed building status.
On the death of Thomas Clennel, the estate devolved to his nephew, Henry Collingwood, who was High Sheriff of Northumberland in 1793. The estate was bequeathed to Henry John William Collingwood of Cornhill in the 1820s and in 1828 he began the construction of the imposing new Elizabethan style mansion designed by architect John Dobson. The house, to be known as Lilburn Tower, was eventually finished in 1842 at a cost of some £25,000. Collingwood himself designed the park and gardens. He was High Sheriff of Northumberland in 1832.
On 3 January 1829, the foundation stone of the mansion house was laid in an elaborate ceremony under direction of the architect. A time capsule of various items was deposited beneath the stone: "two glass vessels, one containing the different coins of the reign of George IV, the other a newspaper of the 3rd of January, together with a MS. containing the following names: — 'Robert Hall, Alnwick, mason; Thomas Wallace and Sons, Newcastle, carpenters and joiners; Ralph Dodds, Newcastle, plasterer; Robert Wallace, clerk of the works.' Both vessels were sealed with the arms of Collingwood.
In 1842, shortly after the death of Henry, the estate was sold to his kinsman Edward John Collingwood (1815–1895) of Eglingham, nephew of Admiral Lord Collingwood. His son Col Cuthbert Collingwood (1848–1933) and grandson Edward Foyle Collingwood, High Sheriff in 1937, were later owners. The house and estate are now owned by Duncan Davidson, the founder of Persimmon plc.
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correction to the post earlier.........should have read>> 'nephew' (not grandson)
John Collingwood worked in Customs and was the father of Edward John Collingwood, 1815- 1895 High Sheriff of Northumberland (1844) of Lilburn Tower. He was the NEPHEW of Vice Admiral Baron Cuthbert Collingwood of Trafalgar.
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links of interest...
Sir Daniel Collingwood of Brandon
http://goo.gl/0BixQ8
Thomas Collingwood
http://goo.gl/C6OKCr
Collingwoods of Dissington
https://goo.gl/bt6lVi
Collingwoods at the Old Bailey
http://goo.gl/PQoAtv
http://goo.gl/PfzfjS
http://goo.gl/eNm6nz
http://goo.gl/PvECkt
Mrs Wiseman's Bequest
https://goo.gl/DV4UGU
Nelson and Collingwood
http://goo.gl/eNm6nz
https://goo.gl/hqLtlb
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http://goo.gl/x013vs
Robert Southey in his Life of Nelson (pub 1813) credited both John Pollard and Midshipman Francis Edward Collingwood as being the 'avenger of Nelson'. However in a letter to The Times 13 May 1863, John Pollard wrote
'It is true my old shipmate Collingwood who has now been dead some years came up on the poop for a short time. I had discovered the men crouching in the top of the Redoutable and pointed them out to him, when he took up his musket and fired once; he then left the poop, I conclude, to return to his station on the quarter deck… I remained firing till there was not a man to be seen in the top; the last one I saw coming down the mizzen rigging and he fell from my fire also… I was ushered into the ward room where Sir Thomas Hardy and other officers were assembled and complimented by them as the person who avenged Lord Nelson's death.'
http://welshjournals.llgc.org.uk/browse/viewpage/llgc-id:1165908/llgc-id:1166683/llgc-id:1166695/getText
Francis Edward Collingwood had distant connections to John Collingwood-the Ropemaker 1776-1821 and was a distant cousin. The line of ascendancy seems to be lost.
FRANCIS EDWARD COLLINGWOOD RN
Is descended from a very ancient family, the COLLINGWOODS of Eslington, co. Northumberland, of which sixteen were High Sheriffs and led by their attachment to the *House of Stuart, suffered a great reverse of fortune, in 1715. His grandfather, Edward, successively master attendant of the dock-yards at Plymouth, Portsmouth, Chatham, and Deptford, *(the first person of the name of Collingwood whom we find mentioned in our naval annals), sailed round the world, as midshipman, with Anson, by whom he was ever afterwards patronised, and was master of the Victory, first rate, flag- ship of Admiral Sir John Balchen short time previous to her loss, in Oct. 1744 *.
Francis Edward Collingwood, only son of Francis Collingwood of Greenwich, Esq by Sarah, sister to the late Captain Thomas Richbell was born at Milford, co. Pembroke and entered the royal navy, as midshipman on board the America, commanded by his *uncle-in-law, the late Vice Admiral Sir William Parker and subsequently served in the Pheasant sloop, Beaulieu and Alligator frigates, Elephant and Victory bearing the flag of the immortal Nelson, whose death he avenged by shooting the French rifleman who had, after 'REPEATED' attempts, succeeded in mortally wounding that illustrious hero at the ever memorable battle of Trafalgar.
Strange that John Pollard is not mentioned in these 'Flag Officers Memoirs' ? No doubt Pollard was present, yet Collingwood 'only' was depicted and immortalized in Arthur Devis's painting 'The Death of Nelson'. I also question why Pollard wrote to the Times long after Francis Edward Collingwood had died?
During that tremendous conflict, he was sent from his quarters on the poop, where the carnage was most dreadful, with a few men, to assist in extinguishing a fire on board the French 74 gun ship, le Redoutable, which service he performed in a manner highly satisfactory to his captain, Sir Thomas M. Hardy. His promotion to the rank of lieutenant took place on the 22d Jan. 1806.
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http://www.aboutnelson.co.uk/19avenger.htm
In the lifetime of the officers concerned, the credit of being the "Avenger of Nelson" was given jointly to John Pollard and Francis Edward Collingwood. Collingwood was promoted Lieutenant 22 January 1806, and Pollard 14 November 1806. Collingwood became a Commander in 1828, and in Marshall's notice it is stated that he was at Trafalgar with Nelson "whose death he avenged by shooting the French rifleman who had . . . mortally wounded that illustrious hero". Commander Collingwood was alive when Marshall's volume was published in 1835, but he died in the same year. Pollard was still a Lieutenant; after being invalided in 1814 whilst the war was still on, he remained on half-pay till 1828 when he received a three-year appointment in Chatham dockyard; and after another five years' half-pay, he was appointed a Lieutenant in the Coast Guard in 1836.
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A charming and wonderful account of the Blackwall Frigates: by Basil Lubbock of hurried journeys and of the quest for adventure and the lust of gold. The Dunbar ships and Money Wigram.
A tenement block in Poplar High Street is named in his honour; Lubbock House. Over a thousand pages from the original transcripts, these stories are are at the very least...captivating !
(click at bottom of each page to read more)
http://www.ebooksread.com/authors-eng/basil-lubbock/the-blackwall-frigates-bbu/1-the-blackwall-frigates-bbu.shtml
Dicky Green. (page 8)
The famous Dicky Green, the elder of the two
brothers, R. and H. Green, was an example of the very
best type of private shipowner. His name was known
and revered in shipping circles all over the world.
The bronze statue before the Public Baths in the East
India Dock Road stands as a proof of his popularity in
Blackwall. His charities indeed were wholesale. He
was a bit of an invalid from birth and thus left a great
deal of the practical side of the business to his brother
Henry, who had been trained both as a shipwright and
a seaman. Thus Dicky Green had more spare time,
and he delighted to wander about Poplar, his favourite
hound. Hector, at his heels and a crowd of ragged street
urchins in his wake. He always wore waistcoats with
very capacious pockets and from one of these pockets he
was wont to distribute sixpences to the old people at the
almshouses, whilst from the other he produced sweets for
the children. In his charities and philanthropic work
he worthily upheld the name of his father George, to
whom Poplar was indebted for Green's Sailors Home,
the Trinity Schools, the Trinity Chapel and the alms-
houses, to mention the chief only of his gifts to the East End.
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(click the No at the bottom of each page to read more)
http://goo.gl/4ZeIeT
Joseph Somes was one of the promoters of Lloyd's
Register. In his old age he was partnered by his sons,
and the firm at his death disguised itself under the name
of the Merchant Shipping Company.
T. & W. Smith.
In the history of the Calcutta and Madras
passenger trade, T. & W. Smith, of Newcastle, rank on
an equality with Green aud Wigram.
The firm was founded as far back as the beginning
of the nineteenth century by Thomas Smith, one of
the Smiths, of Togstone, in Northumberland, who,
having served an apprenticeship with a Newcastle
ropemaker, eventually, like George Green at Blackwall,
married his master's daughter and succeeded to his
business. This example of the good apprentice had
two sons, Thomas, born in 1783, and William, born in
1787. The elder joined his father as a ropemaker,
whilst the youngest was apprenticed to William Rowe,
at that time the largest shipbuilder on the Tyne.
In 1808, the year William Smith completed his
apprenticeship, Rowe launched the largest ship ever
built on the Tyne— H.M.S. Bucephalus, a 32 -gun
frigate, measuring 970 tons.
Two years later old Thomas Smith bought Rowe's
business and, taking his two sons into partnership,
founded the shipbuilding firm of Smith & Sons, though
he still continued the ropemaking business with his
eldest son.
The Smiths had not been long in the business before
they turned their attention to the bu'.lding of Indiamen,
at that time almost the monopoly of the Blackwall
Yard. Curiously enough, their first Indiaman was the
Duke of Roxburgh, of 417 tons burthen, built to the
order of their rivals, Green & VVigram.
She was followed by the George Green, also to the
order of the famous Blackwall firm and launched on
Boxing Day, 26th December, 1829. This ship, accord-
ing to a contemporary account, was considered the finest
passenger-carrying merchantman ever built on the Tyne
at that date and the equal of any London-built ship.
She measured 568 tons burthen on a length of 135 feet,
was "frigate -built" and "fitted up with much elegance
for the carrying of passengers." Her life, however,
was a short one, as she was lost on her way to
London from the Tyne. Smith's next Indiamen
was the Duke of Northumberland, of 600 tons burthen,
launched 28th February, 1831. It was soon after this,
however, that the Newcastle firm commenced running
ships of their own to Madras and Calcutta in competition
with Green and Wigram.
Basil Lubbock - The Blackwall Frigates
(1876–1944) married (1912) Dorothy Mary Thynne née Warner (d.1944). Educated at Eton College, he went to Canada in the gold rush in 1897, and came home round Cape Horn as an ordinary seaman. This was the experience which informed such fiction as Jack Derringer: A Tale of Deep Water (1906), set on a ‘Yankee hell-ship’ with much unconvincing dialect. The first hundred pages or so read like an essay about life at sea; then Lubbock remembers that it is a novel and adds a villain and a heroine. In the second part the hero falls overboard and has some adventures in the company of a cowboy before settling down with his pure woman. Deep Sea Warriors (1909) is similar. Lubbock later fought in the Boer War and the First World War, in which he won the MC, and published a number of non-fictional works about maritime history. He was a keen yachtsman. The writer Percy Lubbock (1879–1965) was his first cousin.
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Margaret Collingwood-sister of the prosecutor**
Q. If these persons were of that character, what made you go there?
Elizabeth Tod. I was but a child when he lodged at my father's house.
Jury. We should be glad to know what Mrs. Collingwood's husband is?
Collingwood. My husband is master of a Guinea-man .
Jury. Where do you live?
Collingwood. In Queen's-Square, Ratcliff-Highway .
Jury. Why was it improper for him to come to your house?
Collingwood. I thought it improper.
Jury. For what reason.
Collingwood. Why then, Gentlemen of the Jury, I will tell you. My husband has been gone these six years, trading on the coast of Guinea; and he being gone so long I was forced to take a lodging, and take in plain work, and go out to ironing. As to my sister, she lives in a very creditable manner, I do assure you.
Guilty - sentenced to transportation
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** - the prosecutor in those times was the victim giving evidence against the prisoner charged.
http://www.oldbaileyonline.org/browse.jsp?id=t17480526-18-person216&div=t17480526-18#highlight
Margaret Collingwood
- husband a master mariner(Guinea coast), resided at Queens Sq, Ratcliffe Highway, leading off Farthing Fields. Highly probable that this is the mother of (Edward?)the Sawyer, b 1737 ? and apprenticed (about 1750 aged 13yrs -1757)?
John the Guinea-man was most certainly master of a 'slave-trader'. His wife Margaret said at the OLD BAILEY...."He has been gone these past six years and i have been forced to take in 'ironing and plain work'. If he died at sea (or soon after his return) his son Edward would have qualified for an apprenticeship from either his father's legacy or Mrs Wiseman's Bequest (will) to be son of a deceased shipwright or master mariner.
04 Jan 1737 Christened John COLLINGWOOD son of John & Margaret. Stepney, St. Dunstan 1736/37 age 28 days, father ships' fitter and upholsterer of Ratcliffe
Ships' outfitters were usually master tradesmen skilled in all aspects of of ship's fittings and were often skilled as shipwrights, sailmakers, etc. These skills were often required before a mariner could manage a ship as 'Master' or Master Mariner.
16 Dec 1757 Edward John COLLINGWOOD Woolwich Yard KEN TNA Foreman's apprentice to John Puckley of Woolwich yard; duty 9s paid @ 6d on £18/-/- on 24 Dec 1757
Oct 1764 Married Edward COLLINGWOOD husband of Elizabeth POINTER Limehouse, St. Anne
Edward John's children......
15 Jan 1773 Christened John COLLINGWOOD son of Edward & Elizabeth. Stepney, St. Dunstan age 2 days, father a sawyer of Poplar >>>>died in infancy.......
.....01 Aug 1773 Buried John COLLINGWOOD Stepney, St. Dunstan of Poplar, buried at Ratcliffe? infant aged 9months?
17 Jul 1774 Christened Elizabeth Mary COLLINGWOOD daughter of Edward & Elizabeth Stepney, St. Dunstan age 28 days, father a sawyer of Poplar
18 Aug 1776 Christened John Edward COLLINGWOOD son of John Edward & Elizabeth. Stepney, St. Dunstan age 13 days, father a sawyer of Poplar
(John Edward the Ropemaker 1776 - 1821 age 45yrs)
John the ropemaker's children....
01 Jul 1804 Christened John COLLINGWOOD son of John & Elizabeth Stepney, St Dunstan MDX father a ropemaker of Poplar
01 Oct 1806 Christened Mary COLLINGWOOD dau of John & Elizabeth Stepney, Saint Dunstan MDX
05 Mar 1809 Christened George Edward COLLINGWOOD son of John & Elizabeth Stepney, St. Dunstan born 3 Jan 1809, father a ropemaker of Poplar
12 Feb 1815 Christened James William COLLINGWOOD son of John Edward & Elizabeth Limehouse, St. Anne born 18 Jan 1815, father a ropemaker of Limehouse
05 Aug 1817 Christened EDWARD HENRY COLLINGWOOD son of John Edward & Elizabeth Limehouse, St. Anne born 5 Jul 1817, father a ropemaker of Limehouse
Edward Henry Collingwood; born 5 July 1817, christened at St. Anne, Limehouse, MDX.
He married 3 March 1840 at Poplar, MDX Ann Merritt.
Children: 1842: Edward Robert Collingwood
1843: Frederick Henry Collingwood ...1846 - Alfred Daniel Collingwood
1849: Sarah Ann Collingwood .......1853 - James Thomas Collingwood
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Highway robbery in Mile End read this account of George Collingwood's involvement. You can forward to all other cases involving the Collingwoods
{Jane Muscoe, married John Collingwood in 1714 in Barking, Essex. was a *victualler in Ratcliffe, St. Dunstan, Stepney, Middlesex, England when he died.
His widow, Jane Collingwood, died in St. Ann's in Soho in the 1740's.
John Collingwood died in Ratcliffe, about 1727 St. Dunstan, Stepney, Middlesex, England. In his will, he left his wife, Jane ( Muscoe ) Collingwood, property. His siblings mentioned in the will were Elizabeth Collingwood, Sarah Parker, William Collingwood, and GEORGE COLLINGWOOD. His will mentions a home or property in *Surrey, England. After her death, it was left to John Collingwood's sister, Sarah Parker.
*Surrey in those days could have been just across the Thames at Woolwich or Deptford. Our connection to Woolwich and Edward the Sawyer(NEPHEW of George and William) stems from George's father John and Jane (Muscoe)Collingwood
*Victuallers in Ratcliffe in the 18th century were often retired master mariners or crafted seaman that had made enough money to safeguard their retirement as early as 45yrs Spending twenty to thirty years on ships it was one of the trades they could easily turn their hand to. Some married into trades owned by widows }
Browse - Central Criminal Court
http://goo.gl/YhA7VR
http://goo.gl/IXt55V
read full account
Offence: Violent Theft > highway robbery: Verdict: Guilty
Punishment: Death
Related Material: Ordinary's Account, 19th December 1733
+ This is not that Jack-the-Hatter who was convicted of several Felonies in September last.
The Prisoners pray'd the Witnesses might be examin'd a-part, which the Court granted.
Samuel Maxwell . On Thursday, November 22, about five in the Evening I went with my Master, Mr. Wilmot, to the Globe at Mile-End; I expected to meet a Man with whom I had some Business to do, but he not coming, I told my Master, I thought there would be no Occasion for me to stay. My Master telling me I might do as I would, I concluded to go, but having received some Money at Stepney, I thought it would not be safe for me to venture over the Fields with it alone, and so I left 26 l. with him, and came away about six a Clock; but recollecting that I still had £7-10 s. in Moidores and Silver, I put it into my Side-pocket for the better Security. Coming into White-horse-lane I was met by three Men, one of them, which I think was Baxter, pass'd me, and bid me good Night, but presently turn'd back again, when one of the others, in a red Coat, with a thick short Stick in his left Hand and a Pistol in his right, bid me deliver, and swore he had seen me put Money in my left Side-pocket; I gave him the Silver, but not the Moidores; then he demanded my Watch, I told him it was a Family-Watch, and I hop'd he would not take it from me. Why then, says he, you may keep it; go forward, and say you are well us'd. So we parted, and I return'd another Way to my Master at the Globe, and told him and Mr. Collingwood, who was with him, what had happen'd. I staid with them there about three or four Hours, and then we all three came away together. We took Links with us, and coming to the same Place where I had been robb'd, we saw two Men running towards us; For God's sake, says one of them, have a Care, Gentlemen, we are frighted out of our Wits; we met a wild Bull, and thought the Devil was coming for us. As they look'd like loose Fellows, Mr. Collingwood ask'd them if there had not been a Robbery there that Night? They said, they had not heard of any. I thought I knew them again, and taking hold of one of them, whose Name is Macdonald, I told him he was the Man that robb'd me. The other was Baxter, and him my Master and Mr. Collingwood took Care of. We carry'd them to the Sun Tavern at Stepney, where we search'd them, and found a large Fowl upon one, and two Chickens upon t'other. We provided them with separate Lodgings for that Night,
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correction to previous post should have read George's BROTHER (not *father sorry).
*Surrey in those days could have been just across the Thames at Woolwich or Deptford. Our connection to Woolwich and Edward the Sawyer(NEPHEW of John,George and William) stems from George's BROTHER* John and (Jane MuscoeCollingwood)
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Mrs Wiseman's Bequest
https://goo.gl/DV4UGU
The early dockyard apprenticeships
http://www.djbryant.co.uk/dockyard/shipwrights/apprenticeships.htm
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Sarah Todd , widow , was indicted for stealing one chesnut coloured gelding, value £4. the property of William Collingwood , Jan. 10 1755
http://goo.gl/PvECkt
William Collingwood . On Friday the 3d of this instant I had a chesnut-coloured gelding in keeping, at William Finkel's, a farmer, at Charlton , in Kent; I saw him on that day, between two and three in the afternoon in the yard; he was missing the next morning; I came to see for him in Smithfield market on the 10th, there I saw a man on his back; Josiah Whiting was with me, he went to the man, and asked him if he would sell that horse, and how much he would have for him. He asked him 3 l. 10 s. or 3 l. I know not which. He asked him how long he had had him? The man said, two years. He next asked him where he brought him from? The man said, from Carmarthenshire in Wales. I took hold of the rider, and pulled him off, and said, this horse was mine this day se'nnight, betwixt two and three in the afternoon. Then came Edward Jones , and said the horse was his, and that he bought him in the White-horse inn-yard in the Fleet-market; he shewed the receipt, and said if I would go there, he would bring his vouchers. Accordingly I went; I got a constable, and put the rider and Mr. Jones in his custody; and in the mean time he sent his friends out, and took the woman at the bar. There was Joseph Peacham the hostler of the White-horse, and another man, vouched Mr. Jones bought the horse of this woman; and the woman owned she sold him the horse, and said she had him of one Williamson for a debt, and said he was a little petty farmer near Chelmsford in Essex; in a little time after, she said she had him of a man at Burntwood; after that, she said she had him of a boy from Portsmouth the Monday before she came to the inn, which was before he was lost. We took her before my Lord-Mayor, she there owned she sold this horse, and that she could give no account of the boy that she had him of, but said he belonged to the sea.
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William married Jane Collingwood on December 28, 1766. Jane Collingwood was born about 1740 and died about 1815. Her father was Captain Edward Collingwood, who was born about 1694 and died July 13, 1779 in Greenwich, England.
Parents
Edward Collingwood
1660-1721
Mary Bigge
1663-Unknown
Spouse(s)
Mary Rodham
1700-1783
Jane Carlton
1712-1791
Children
Winifred Collingwood
1744-Unknown
Carlton Collingwood
1746-1871
John Trevor Collingwood
1738-1796
Jane Collingwood
1740-1815
Edward Collingwood
1743-1809
Francis Collingwood
1745-1799
{Francis Edward Collingwood of Trafalgar 1785-1835 was the son of 'Francis Collingwood of Greenwich Esq. by
Sarah, sister of Captain Thomas Richbell RN, Chief Magistrate of the
Thames Police'.105 His grandfather, Edward Collingwood, had been Master
Attendant at Plymouth, Portsmouth, Chatham and Deptford Dockyards. His great Grandfather was Captain Edward Collingwood, 1660-1721}
Susannah Collingwood
1748-1818
Many Collingwoods' made the connections from Ratcliffe and Wapping as they moved to the ship building yards, sawmills and roperies of Woolwich, Greenwich and Deptford shipyards. The line from Edward Henry the shipwright through John the ropemaker looks likely that 'cousins' will make the connection to Francis Edward Collingwood and his lineage to to Admiral Cuthbert Collingwood.
Edward was the son of Edward Collingwood (born about 1660 and died in 1721) and Mary Bigge (born about 1663). Captain Collingwood married twice. His first marriage was to Mary Rodham and his second to Jane Carlton. Jane Carlton was born about 1712 in Greenwich and died February 19, 1791 at the Royal Naval Hospital in Greenwich, England. Jane Collingwood was the daughter of Edward Collingwood by his second wife, Jane Carlton.
Admiral Sir William Parker was the eldest. His sister Sarah, was christened March 11, 1744 at Queenborough, Kent. She died unmarried December 4, 1791. A brother Augustine was christened Feb 9,1746 at Queenborough. A sister, Elizabeth Parker, was born October 11, 1748 at Queenborough, Kent, England. She married William Head on July 19, 1785 in Queenborough. A child named Elizabeth Head was born February 9, 1787 also at Queenborough, Kent, England. Another sister Susannah was born and died 1750. A younger brother, Capt. Robert Parker of HMS Intrepid was born April 8, 1753 and died Nov 23, 1797. He married and had 8 children
William and Jane Collingwood Parker had seven daughters and one son. The daughters were named Jane, Sarah, Susanna, Harriet, Ann, Mary and Elizabeth. Harriet is the only daughter who never married. The only son, William George, was born in 1787. He married August 29, 1808, Elizabeth Still, (born 1791)the daughter of James Charles Still of East Knoyle in County Wiltshire and Charlotte Wake. He left a large family and died a vice admiral March 24, 1848.( This information from the book "A Naval Biographical Dictionary" by W.R. O'Byrne published in 1849.) One of the daughters of William George Parker and Elizabeth Still was Fanny Catharine who married Charles Bligh in 1837 and died in 1894. One daughter was named Clara and another daughter, Elizabeth Charlotte was born in 1816 in England. Two of the sons married in Toronto. Melville Parker married Jesse Hector in 1847 and Albert Parker married Lucy Henrietta Jennings in 1851.
The second Admiral Sir William Parker lived from 1781 to 1866 and served as Admiral of the Fleet. He was born on December 1, 1781, the third son of George Parker of Almington, Staffordshire, England. George Parker, his father, was the second son of Sir Thomas Parker, who had been lord chief baron of the exchequer. Sir Thomas Parker's nephew was John Jervis, first earl of St. Vincent, who had married Martha Parker, George Parker's half-sister.
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Researching the Collingwoods that participated at the Old Bailey. Forward/Backward click -1685-1908
http://www.oldbaileyonline.org/browse.jsp?id=t18480515-name-918&div=t18480515-1350#highlight
Reference Number: t18480515-1350
Offence: Theft > simple larceny
Verdict: Guilty > no_subcategory; Guilty > no_subcategory
Punishment: Transportation
15th May 1848
1350. PATRICK BRYAN and JAMES KERR , stealing 12lbs, weight of copper, value 6s.;the goods of Duncan Dunbar; both having been previously convicted.
GEORGE WILSON. I am a constable of the East and West India Docks I was on duty on 14th April, about one o'clock, at the East India Dock basin—I saw prisoners and two other men come out of the import dock, and go out of the gate leading on to the Brunswick Wharf—I saw Bryan and one of the others run out of the gate—I informed some other officers—we all went out into the road, and saw the two prisoners and the other two menbryan looked bulky—I went up to him and said. "Bryan, you have got something about you; you must come inside"—I took him in, and found on him these four parcels of copper, two inside his waistcoat and two inside his trowsers—he said he had found it in the dust-bin—I had seen the prisoners leave the dock in the same directions, with the same two men, once previous to that.
JOHN WHITE. I am a constable of the dock. I was at the export dock gate when Willson stopped Bryan—I stopped Kerr—he said, "You won't want me; you want the other men that have run away"—I said, "I have got you and I shall keep you"—I searched him, and found 4lbs, of copper in the waistband of his trowsers—he said it was given him by a man in a public-house—Bryan said, "It is no use telling a lie about it; we may as well tell the truth."
EDWARD HENRY COLLINGWOOD. I am in the employ of a shipwright I was employed in taking some copper off the ship Earl Grey, belonging to Mr. Duncan Dunbar—I threw the copper on the punt—I can swear to all this copper, except two pieces—it came off that ship—two of these pieces in particular I can swear to, and the other I have no doubt of—they were all in the punt, which was under the ship's acting as a stage for me to work at the vessel—I know this piece by my own marking on it, and this one by its acting as a brace under the pump case.
JAMES GATLOR. I am ship-keeper of the Earl Grey, and live on board I took the copper from the punt into the store, where it was kept—it belonged to Duncan Dunbar—I went to the store on the day after this copper was found, and it was all gone.
Kerr. Q. How long was the copper in the store before you missed it? A. About nine or ten days.
THOMAS PINNER. I was working for Mr. Gladstone—I went to the store shed between ten and eleven o'clock—I found the padlock broken—I told the officer—I found the prisoners in custody the same day.
SAMUKL GLADSTONE. I am superintendent to Mr. Duncan Dunbar. I know this copper—this is a piece we took off the cook's house—I sent this to the store-shed—this other came from the ship Westmeath, and was in the same shed—I saw the shed the day previous, and the lock was quite safe—both the ships belong to Mr. Duncan Dunbar.
Bryan's Defence. I passed by the dock officer; he saw no copper with me.
WILLIAM SOMES. I ama constable of the London Dock. I produce a certificate of Bryan's former conviction, at Clerken well—(read—Convicted Oct., 1847, and confined three months)—he is the person.
THOMAS HOLMES. I am an inspector of police. I produce a certificate of Kerr's former conviction, at this Court—(read—Convicted April, 1840, and transported for seven years)—he is the person.
BRYAN— GUILTY. Aged 28.
KERR— GUILTY. Aged 32.
Transported for Ten Years.
http://www.oldbaileyonline.org/search.jsp?foo=bar&form=searchHomePage&_persNames_surname=collingwood&kwparse=and&start=40
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EDWARD HENRY COLLINGWOOD, 1817 - 1878
(Oct 2015) was the 137th anniversary of his death in Hong Kong. October 24th 1878
Died from fever from exposure while fixing storm damage on Dharwar
http://goo.gl/eI3gTr
William Inkster 10 years later in 1888 was on his last voyage on the Dharwar.
He saved the ship from certain disaster by making good the ships damaged steering gear
in a devasting storm.
He became famous in his day as the shipwright that saved the Dharwar!
When not at sea both William Inkster and Edward Henry Collingwood worked as pyrfeldart time
firemen. Edward lived for some time at Gillender St (formally Masters Lane, that runs parallel to the A12 tunnel approach from about 1865) next to the now dis-used firestation in proximity to the Poplar Seamarans Hospital that closed in 1951 to make way for the Blackwall Tunnel entrance. Seven of his former addresses were demolished for the new Tunnel Approach widening scheme and the Poplar Housing / Lansbury market new developments - (Masters Lane, Ellerthorpe St, Cawdor St, Aberfeldy St, Dee St, Lochnagar St, and his birthplace Tuckers Court Alley was demolished for the expansion of the Poplar Workhouse and a school for the poor in Poplar High St also to make way for the East-West India railway lines that now cut through Tuckers Crt and Dolphin Lane cutting off the access to the West India Docks - 1839.
William Inkster of the Dharwar
http://goo.gl/OfHRee
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I thought it was going to be interesting ????????????????
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Sorry to disappoint, John ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ;)
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(Oct 2015) was the 137th anniversary of his death in Hong Kong. October 24th 1878
Died from fever from exposure while fixing storm damage on Dharwar
http://goo.gl/eI3gTr
William Inkster 10 years later in 1888 was on his last voyage on the Dharwar.
He saved the ship from certain disaster by making good the ships damaged steering gear
in a devastating storm.
He became famous in his day as the shipwright that saved the Dharwar!
When not at sea both William Inkster and Edward Henry Collingwood worked as part-time
firemen.
William Inkster of the Dharwar
http://goo.gl/OfHRee
Edward lived for some time at Gillender St (formally Masters Lane, that runs parallel to the A12 tunnel approach from about 1865) next to the now dis-used fire-station in proximity to the Poplar Seamans Hospital that closed in 1951 to make way for the Blackwall Tunnel entrance. Seven of his former addresses were demolished for the new Tunnel Approach widening scheme and the Poplar Housing / Lansbury market new developments - (Masters Lane, Ellerthorpe St, Cawdor St, Aberfeldy St, Dee St, Lochnagar St, and his birthplace Tuckers Court Alley was demolished for the expansion of the Poplar Workhouse and a school for the poor in Poplar High St, also to make way for the East-West India railway lines that now cut through Tuckers Court and Dolphin Lane cutting off the access to the West India Docks - 1839.
Interestingly at this time, mid- 19th century the Duke of Wellington on order of Queen Victoria oversaw the huge task of cleaning up London's foul primitive sewerage systems, which, in fact were non-existant. Putrifaction of London's Streets and waterways was rife and his first task was the draining of the moat around the Tower of London which proved to be the last resting place of hundreds of dead animals, horses, cats, dogs, farm animals and murdered people !
It would be another 30 years before Sir Joseph Basilgette began constructing London's tunnel sewers but open-sewers that ran almost everywhere into the canals were soon cleaned up under Victoria.
One such sewer, an open ditch ran from Poplar High St at the back of the Poplar Workhouse and Tuckers Court straight into the West India Dock a distance of 200m and sloped at such a narrow gradient that the muck deposited hardly moved and basically relied on rain and liquid slops to help carry it away. All rubbish was dumped into this open sewer and regularly had to be cleaned and flushed by common poor people recruited from the workhouse. British History Online mentions that Poplar's open sewers were referred to as 'Rolling Turd Alley'.
What an incentive for people living in close proximity to the filthy streets of London to get away and go to sea. Edward Henry had this sewer in his back alley and the sweet smell of the sea must have been a welcome alternative?
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http://www.djbryant.co.uk/dockyard/shipwrights/apprenticeships.htm
http://www.bruzelius.info/Nautica/Ships/Ships.html
http://marinersandships.com.au/
http://www.oldbaileyonline.org/browse.jsp?id=t17331205-12-person106&div=t17331205-12#highlight
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The Shipwrights
Women bringing meals into the yard in baskets were often caught removing valuable items along with the "Chips". The taking of "chips" was abolished in May 1801 and was replaced by a daily payment. It was not uncommon for a worker to appear at roll call and then secretly leave the yard for the rest of the day, in order to relax or work at another paying job. Labour troubles were not uncommon in the dockyards, especially in times of particular national need as before or during a war. One method used by the Navy Board to deal with such disruptions was to press gang the ringleaders for sea service. Old workmen were permitted to keep their jobs long after they were fit to do them and many were allowed servants. They were often given light tasks such as sorting wedges, and mooting treenails , that is, finishing them into smooth cylinders of various gauges by means of a moot. When they died ,their servants stayed on, providing income for the widows. In 1764 the first scheme of superannuation (pension system ) was instituted for those who had served 30 years or more with the possibility of retiring on 2/3rd of basic pay.
http://www.djbryant.co.uk/dockyard/shipwrights/apprenticeships.htm
Inspector of Shipwrights was the first step in the salaried scale. The order of advancement was:
1. Working shipwright.
2. Quarterman of shipwrights.
3. Leading man of shipwrights.
4. Inspector of shipwrights.
5. Foreman of the Yard.
6. Senior foreman of the yard.
7. Assistant Master Shipwright.
8. Master Shipwright.
9. Surveyor of the Navy.
The first three grades were hourly paid , the later six ,salaried . In grades 6 to 9 men would have been employed in designing warships, managing the Dockyards and selecting timbers. An Acting Inspector would have been known as a Leading man until being placed on a salary list.
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William Parker married Jane Collingwood on December 28, 1766. Jane Collingwood was born about 1740 and died about 1815. Her father was Captain Edward Collingwood, who was born about 1694 and died July 13, 1779 in Greenwich, England.
http://www3.sympatico.ca/dljordan/parker-edwards.htm
Parents
Edward Collingwood
1660-1721
Mary Bigge
1663-Unknown
Spouse(s)
Mary Rodham
1700-1783
Jane Carlton
1712-1791
Children
Winifred Collingwood
1744-Unknown
Carlton Collingwood
1746-1871
John Trevor Collingwood
1738-1796
Jane Collingwood
1740-1815
Edward Collingwood*
1743-1809
Master Attendant at Deptford. Has been to Rye with Justly Watson, directing engineer, and have surveyed the Harbour Enclosure
Date: 1756 Dec 31
Francis Collingwood
1745-1799
{Francis Edward Collingwood of Trafalgar 1785-1835} was the son of Francis Collingwood 1745-1799 of Greenwich Esq. by Sarah, sister of Captain Thomas Richbell RN, Chief Magistrate of the Thames Police.
https://archive.org/stream/cihm_37593/cihm_37593_djvu.txt
His grandfather, Edward Collingwood*, had been Master Attendant at Plymouth, Portsmouth, Chatham and Deptford Dockyards.
http://discovery.nationalarchives.gov.uk/details/r/C9231499
His great Grandfather was Captain Edward Collingwood, 1660-1721}
Many Collingwoods' made the connections from Ratcliffe and Wapping as they moved to the ship building yards, sawmills and roperies of Woolwich, Greenwich and Deptford shipyards. This should prove interesting and may lead us to the ship building yards and sawmills and roperies. The line from Edward Henry the shipwright through John the ropemaker Edward John the Sawyer, cousin to Edward Collingwood* Master Attendant at Plymouth, Portsmouth, Chatham and Deptford Dockyards, looks to be the connection to Francis Edward Collingwood and his lineage to to Admiral Cuthbert Collingwood through Mary Bigge the Rodhams, Parkers and Carltons
Edward was the son of Edward Collingwood (born about 1660 and died in 1721) and Mary Bigge (born about 1663). Captain Collingwood married twice. His first marriage was to Mary Rodham and his second to Jane Carlton. Jane Carlton was born about 1712 in Greenwich and died February 19, 1791 at the Royal Naval Hospital in Greenwich, England. Jane Collingwood was the daughter of Edward Collingwood by his second wife, Jane Carlton.
Admiral Sir William Parker was the eldest. His sister Sarah, was christened March 11, 1744 at Queenborough, Kent. She died unmarried December 4, 1791. A brother Augustine was christened Feb 9,1746 at Queenborough. A sister, Elizabeth Parker, was born October 11, 1748 at Queenborough, Kent, England. She married William Head on July 19, 1785 in Queenborough. A child named Elizabeth Head was born February 9, 1787 also at Queenborough, Kent, England. Another sister Susannah was born and died 1750. A younger brother, Capt. Robert Parker of HMS Intrepid was born April 8, 1753 and died Nov 23, 1797. He married and had 8 children
William and Jane Collingwood Parker had seven daughters and one son. The daughters were named Jane, Sarah, Susanna, Harriet, Ann, Mary and Elizabeth. Harriet is the only daughter who never married. The only son, William George, was born in 1787. He married August 29, 1808, Elizabeth Still, (born 1791)the daughter of James Charles Still of East Knoyle in County Wiltshire and Charlotte Wake. He left a large family and died a vice admiral March 24, 1848.( This information from the book "A Naval Biographical Dictionary" by W.R. O'Byrne published in 1849.) One of the daughters of William George Parker and Elizabeth Still was Fanny Catharine who married Charles Bligh in 1837 and died in 1894. One daughter was named Clara and another daughter, Elizabeth Charlotte was born in 1816 in England. Two of the sons married in Toronto. Melville Parker married Jesse Hector in 1847 and Albert Parker married Lucy Henrietta Jennings in 1851.
The second Admiral Sir William Parker lived from 1781 to 1866 and served as Admiral of the Fleet. He was born on December 1, 1781, the third son of George Parker of Almington, Staffordshire, England. George Parker, his father, was the second son of Sir Thomas Parker, who had been lord chief baron of the exchequer. Sir Thomas Parker's nephew was John Jervis, first earl of St. Vincent, who had married Martha Parker, George Parker's half-sister.
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Full text of "Royal naval biography, or, Memoirs of the services of all the flag-officers, superannuated rear-admirals, retired-captains, post-captains and commanders [microform] : whose names appeared on the admiralty list of sea-officers at the commencement of the year 1823, or who have since been promoted : illustrated by a series of historical and explagenatory notes, which will be found to contain an account of all the naval actions, and other important events, from the commencement of the late reign, in 1760 to the present period : with copious addenda"
This is a very old document and contains many transcribed mistakes, however to find Francis Edward Collingwood's Naval biography scroll to page 257 then to 2d8 (which is page 258 ?) about halfway through...very interesting especially the account of him being washed overboard to a certain death in a violent storm...and guess what?.....a huge wave throws him back on board into the rigging!
https://archive.org/stream/cihm_37593/cihm_37593_djvu.txt
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I have corrected the transcribed mistakes from the archive document of 1823. The wording is in the tense as written originally.
https://archive.org/stream/cihm_37593/cihm_37593_djvu.txt
page 258
*The Victory, 1744, here, is of course an earlier ship of the same name and not Nelson's flag-ship of which Francis Edward Joined at Spithead one month before Trafalgar......
FRANCIS EDWARD COLLINGWOOD, Esq.
Is descended from a very ancient family, the CoUingwoods,
of Eslington, co. Northumberland, led by their attachment to the House of Stuart, suffered a great reverse of fortune, in 1715. His grandfather, Edward, successively master- attendant of the dock-yards at Plymouth, Portsmouth, Chatham, and Deptford, (the first person of the name of Collingwood whom we find mentioned in our naval annals), sailed round the world, as midshipman, with Anson, by whom he was ever afterwards patronised, and was master of the *Victory, first rate, flag- ship of Admiral Sir John Balchen, a short time previous to her loss, in Oct. 1744 *.
On the 3d Oct, 1744, the fleet under Sir John Balchen, then returning home from Gibraltar, encountered a violent storm, in which several of the ships were much shattered. On the 4th, the "Victory separated from her consorts, and was never more heard of. It is supposed that she struck upon a ridge of rocks off the Caskets ; as from the testimony of the men who attended the lights, and the inhabitants of the island of (GIBRALTA)
Mr. F. E, CoLLiNGWooD, only son of Francis Collngwood, of Greenwich, Esq., by Sarah, sister to the hite Captain Thomas Richbell, K. N., chief magistrate of the Thames Police, was born at Milford, co. Pembroke 1785 and entered the royal navy, as midshipman on board the America commanded by his **uncle-in-law, the late Vice-Admiral Sir William Parker, and subsequently served in the Pheasant sloop, Beaulieu and Alligator frigates. Elephant and Victory of 100 guns, the latter ship bearing the flag of the immortal Nelson, whose death he avenged by shooting the French rifleman who had, after repeated attempts, succeeded in mortally wounding that illustrious hero at the ever memorable battle of Trafalgar. During that tremendous conflict, he was sent from his quarters on the poop, where the carnage was most dreadful, with a few men, to assist in extinguishing a fire on board the French 74- gun ship, le Redoubtable, which service he performed in a manner highly satisfactory to his captain, the present Sir Thomas M. Hardy. His promotion to the rank of lieutenant took place on the 22d Jan. 1806.
After serving for some time in the Queen, flag-ship of Lord Collingwood, and Bahama 74, one of the Spanish ships captured off Trafalgar, this officer was appointed to the. Pallas in which frigate we find him present, under the command of Captain (now Sir George F.)Seymour, at the destruction of five French men-of-war, in Aix Roads, April 12th, 1809 In the ensuing summer, he accompanied the grand expedition sent against Antwerp, and was constantly employed, in guard boats and on shore, during the occupation of Walcheren. His next appointment was, Dec. 13th, 1809, to be first lieutenant of the Iris 30, in M'hich ship he continued for a period of five years.
Alderney, many guns were heard on the nights of the 4th and 5th, but the weather was too tempestuous to hazard boats out to their assistance. In this ship perished near one thousand men, besides fifty volunteers, sons of the first nobility and gentry in the kingdom.
The Iris was principally employed in co-operation with the patriots on the north coast of Spain, where Lieutenant Collingwood appears to have been a constant volunteer for boat and shore service; and on many occasions obtained the particular approbation of Captain Sir George Collier, senior officer of the squadron on that station.
In Nov. 1814, Mr. Coliingwood was appointed first lieutenant of the Niger, Captain Peter Rainier, under whom he served for a short time on the Cape of Good Hope station. In December 1820, he obtained the command of the Kite revenue cruiser, employed on the coast of Ireland, where he continued for the usual period of three years.
During this time he had two ribs and his breast bone fractured, was wounded by a pike
through the leg, and received two severe contusions on the head, hie was also washed overboard in a heavy gale of wind, and must have perished, all his boats having been previously lost, had not a following sea thrown him on the square-sail brace, to which he clung until assisted in-board.
His promotion to the rank of commander took place January 15th, 1828.
This officer married, in May 1822, Ellen second daughter of the late Rev. Samuel Collis, of Fort William, co. Kerry, ly whom he has several children. His only surviving sister was wife the of Dr. J. D. Burke, late surgeon of H. M. dockyard at Pembroke, and is now the widow of the Rev. Hugh
Taylor. .
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Nelson's avenger
Pollard or Collingwood?.....
{ Nelson, whose death Collingwood avenged by shooting the French rifleman who had, after repeated attempts, succeeded in mortally wounding that illustrious hero at the ever memorable battle of Trafalgar. During that tremendous conflict, he was sent from his quarters on the poop, where the carnage was most dreadful, with a few men, to assist in extinguishing a fire on board the French 74- gun ship, le Redoubtable, which service he performed in a manner highly satisfactory to his captain, Sir Thomas M. Hardy.}
Why was Collingwood named in the 1823 journals(above-previous) with no mention of Pollard? Surely these accounts closer to the time would be more accurate?
Why was Collingwood depicted in Arthur Devis' famous painting The Death of Nelson and not Pollard?
http://www.rmg.co.uk/discover/explore/death-nelson
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Death_of_Nelson,_21_October_1805
Persons depicted
Reverend Alexander Scott, Nelson's chaplain, rubbing his chest to help relieve the pain
Victory's purser Walter Burke, supporting the pillow.
Nelson’s steward, Chevalier, looking towards Beatty
William Beatty, ship's surgeon, who feels Nelson’s pulse and is about to pronounce him dead
Captain Thomas Hardy, standing behind Nelson
Midshipman Collingwood and Lieutenant Yule (rear left and left), with a pile of captured enemy flags being brought in by a seaman
Guitano, Nelson’s valet, standing in right profile in front of Collingwood, holding a glass from which Nelson took his last sips of water
Victory’s carpenter, Mr Bunce, stands on the far right above Bligh
Lieutenant George Miller Bligh, the dazed and wounded figure far right, below Bunce
Assistant Surgeon Neil Smith seated far right
Why did Pollard wait decades after Collingwood died to question his part in shooting Nelsons killer?
http://www.aboutnelson.co.uk/19avenger.htm
It was not long before there were only two Frenchmen left alive in the mizen-top of the Redoutable. One of them was the man who had given the fatal wound: he did not live to boast of what he had done. An old quarter-master had seen him fire; and easily recognized him, because he wore a glazed cocked hat and a white frock. This quarter-master, and two midshipmen, Mr Collingwood and Mr Pollard, were the only persons left on the Victory's poop; - the two midshipmen kept firing at the top, and he supplied them with cartridges. One of the Frenchmen attempting to make his escape down the rigging, was shot by Mr Pollard, and fell on the poop. But the old quarter-master, as he cried out "That's he, that's he", and poInted at the other, who was cornIng forward to fire agaIn, receIved a shot in his mouth, and fell dead. Both the midshipmen then fired, at the same time, and the fellow dropped in the top. When they took possession of the prize, they went into the mizen-top and found him dead; with one ball through his head and another through his breast.
Thus, in the lifetime of the officers concerned, the credit of being the "Avenger of Nelson" was given jointly to John Pollard and Francis Edward Collingwood. Collingwood was promoted Lieutenant 22 January 1806, and Pollard 14 Novem ber 1806. Collingwood became a Commander in 1828, and in Marshall's notice it is stated that he was at Trafalgar with Nelson "whose death he avenged by shooting the French rifleman who had . . . mortally wounded that illustrious hero". Commander Collingwood was alive when Marshall's volume was published in 1835, but he died in the same year. Pollard was still a Lieutenant; after being invalided in 1814 whilst the war was still on, he remained on half-pay till 1828 when he received a three-year appointment in Chatham dockyard; and after another five years' half-pay, he was appointed a Lieutenant in the Coast Guard in 1836.
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http://artuk.org/discover/artworks/the-death-of-nelson-21-october-1805-173404
On the left of the picture are Lieutenant John Yule and Midshipman Francis Edward Collingwood who is shown head and shoulders to the left, mainly obscured by the figure in front of him. He helps a sailor to handle some captured flags. Since he was a volunteer he has no uniform, but wears a midshipman's coat without the patch.
http://en.wahooart.com/@@/9CVUAD-Arthur-William-Devis-The-Death-Of-Nelson-
Gaetano Spedillo, Nelson's Neapolitan valet, is shown full-length in profile to the right, in a brown coat and holding a glass in his left hand. His lower limbs are obscured by a figure in the foreground of the left of the painting of the group around the dying Nelson. On the right are Lieutenant George Miller Bligh and Assistant Surgeon Neil Smith. Bligh is half hidden by a marine in the foreground. He is shown half-length seated, facing to the left, apparently dazed from a wound in his head, wearing a lieutenant's full-dress coat, 1787-1812, with his left hand on the wound in his side. Looking towards the dying Nelson, in the right background, stands the ship's carpenter, William Bunce, slightly masked by Smith and Bligh. He is almost full-length to the left in profile wearing a warrant officer's uniform, natural coloured breeches and holds his hat in his right hand. Painted two years after the event, this complex painting concentrates on the human response of the men involved in this important event in the life of the nation. To evoke this, the artist has incorporated portraiture with the imagery of Renaissance religious painting, bathing Nelson in a golden light.
Read more at http://collections.rmg.co.uk/collections/objects/14367.html#Xwo3Aj4YiHVpEVOM.99
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https://goo.gl/5cequ5
These are three members of William Kidd's crew. I make no excuse or fanciful claims that any of our ancestors sailed with Kidd but many so called pirates were in fact hired as privateers, a legal term used to plunder for the Realm. Family men and fathers and sons or brothers often joined up for a chance to make a one off trip to a fortune ! And as long as they were sailing as privateers, it was legal....according to the realm that often financed these missions.
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/handcousins/message/6821
Most people were illiterate and couldn't even spell their own names. Seafarers, EMBARKING
on a get rich quick journey with promises of a share of the 'bounty' of a PRIVATEER, often did so with a certain amount of caution should their captain (and therefore , crew) be outlawed?
IT wasn't unusual for crew to enlist using a synonym or a slight change of name, just in case they jumped ship in some obscure port or transferred to a homeward bound ship of which some did change from Kidd's Adventure Galley to escape sure prosecution for Kidd's illegal plundering of friendly ships. It has been recently suggested that Kidd was financed by the Realm and Lords in high places to capture booty from ships carrying plundered treasures of the Knights Templar> and is hidden somewhere off St Marie, Madagascar?
Most people that could not write or spell often used 'x' or partial spelling of the name!
Collingwoods, Collingsworths often shortened to plain Collins or Collings.
I have never heard of Colliness or Conninghame , yet three crew members Edward Colliness, John Collings and Philip Conninghame sailed with KIDD? Were they were related brothers or father and sons? I also believe these three were bogus and used spur of the moment names to shield their identities..albeit conspicuous by their similarity to Collingwood
Were these three stalwarts really related or akin to John Collingwood that married Mary Barker at St.Dunstans, in 1697 ? Or was he one of the three bogus crewmen?
Did he change ship and return to England by request of KIDD for those that feared prosecution? There is evidence that some of the crew changed to an illegally plundered 'friendly' merchant ship off the West Coast of Africa after KIDD killed William Moore with a wooden bucket, in disgust at Kidd's crime (for which he was eventually hanged)
Did he witness the execution of KIDD at Wapping in 1701 ?
Many fanciful questions but with more research we may learn more.
Edward Henry's GREAT GREAT Grandfather could have sailed with William Kidd, got his pirates 'share' and profited to good purpose.
Edward Henry is my direct GREAT GREAT Grandfather .
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/handcousins/message/6821
I believe that John Collingwood that married Mary Barker at St.Dunstans, of Farting Fields, Wapping in 1697 and was the first of the Collingwoods to be mentioned at St Dunstons and may be John the Sawyer's (1737-1796) grandfather (the father Edward John Collingwood is listed as an upholsterer- ships outfitter that became a master mariner), These were favourable times in the early 1700's for crews of privateers to finance a more lucrative future for themselves and their decendents
I've located a list of names for Captain Kidd's crew.
The list is extracted below at the end of this posting (and alphabetised) and can also be found at the following source:
SOURCE:
Sponsor: Institute of Historical Research
Publication: Calendar of State Papers Colonial, America and West Indies
Author: Cecil Headlam (editor)
Year published: 1910
Pages: 190-205
Contents: April 1700
Citation: 'America and West Indies: April 1700, 21-25', Calendar of
State Papers Colonial, America and West Indies: 1700, volume 18
(1910), pp. 190-205.
URL: http://www.british-history.ac.uk/report.aspx?compid=71340.
Date accessed: 26 October 2008.
There are also biographical details of some of the crew at Appendix II of:
Treasure and Intrigue: The Legacy of Captain Kidd
By Graham Harris
Published by Dundurn Press Ltd., 2002
ISBN 1550024094, 9781550024098
348 pages
Limited preview available through Google Books search.
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Copy of articles of agreement between Capt. William Kidd, Commander of
the good ship Adventure, and John Walker, Quartermaster. Sept. 10,
1696.... Signed, William Kidd. Subscribed and agreed to by the ship's
company;
https://goo.gl/5cequ5
Edward Henry is my direct GREAT GREAT Grandfather .
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https://goo.gl/5cequ5
These are three members of William Kidd's crew. I make no excuse or fanciful claims that any of our ancestors sailed with Kidd but many so called pirates were in fact hired as privateers, a legal term used to plunder for the Realm. Family men and fathers and sons or brothers often joined up for a chance to make a one off trip to a fortune ! And as long as they were sailing as privateers, it was legal....according to the realm that often financed these missions.
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/handcousins/message/6821
Most people were illiterate and couldn't even spell their own names. Seafarers, EMBARKING
on a get rich quick journey with promises of a share of the 'bounty' of a PRIVATEER, often did so with a certain amount of caution should their captain (and therefore , crew) be outlawed?
IT wasn't unusual for crew to enlist using a synonym or a slight change of name, just in case they jumped ship in some obscure port or transferred to a homeward bound ship of which some did change from Kidd's Adventure Galley to escape sure prosecution for Kidd's illegal plundering of friendly ships. It has been recently suggested that Kidd was financed by the Realm and Lords in high places to capture booty from ships carrying plundered treasures of the Knights Templar> and is hidden somewhere off St Marie, Madagascar?
Most people that could not write or spell often used 'x' or partial spelling of the name!
Collingwoods, Collingsworths often shortened to plain Collins or Collings.
I have never heard of Colliness or Conninghame , yet three crew members Edward Colliness, John Collings and Philip Conninghame sailed with KIDD? Were they were related brothers or father and sons? I also believe these three were bogus and used spur of the moment names to shield their identities..albeit conspicuous by their similarity to Collingwood
Were these three stalwarts really related or akin to John Collingwood that married Mary Barker at St.Dunstans, in 1697 ? Or was he one of the three bogus crewmen?
Did he change ship and return to England by request of KIDD for those that feared prosecution? There is evidence that some of the crew changed to an illegally plundered 'friendly' merchant ship off the West Coast of Africa after KIDD killed William Moore with a wooden bucket, in disgust at Kidd's crime (for which he was eventually hanged)
Did he witness the execution of KIDD at Wapping in 1701 ?
Many fanciful questions but with more research we may learn more.
Edward Henry's GREAT GREAT Grandfather could have sailed with William Kidd, got his pirates 'share' and profited to good purpose.
Edward Henry is my direct GREAT GREAT Grandfather .
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/handcousins/message/6821
I believe that John Collingwood that married Mary Barker at St.Dunstans, of Farting Fields, Wapping in 1697 and was the first of the Collingwoods to be mentioned at St Dunstons and may be John the Sawyer's (1737-1796) grandfather (the father Edward John Collingwood is listed as an upholsterer- ships outfitter that became a master mariner), These were favourable times in the early 1700's for crews of privateers to finance a more lucrative future for themselves and their decendents
I've located a list of names for Captain Kidd's crew.
The list is extracted below at the end of this posting (and alphabetised) and can also be found at the following source:
SOURCE:
Sponsor: Institute of Historical Research
Publication: Calendar of State Papers Colonial, America and West Indies
Author: Cecil Headlam (editor)
Year published: 1910
Pages: 190-205
Contents: April 1700
Citation: 'America and West Indies: April 1700, 21-25', Calendar of
State Papers Colonial, America and West Indies: 1700, volume 18
(1910), pp. 190-205.
URL: http://www.british-history.ac.uk/report.aspx?compid=71340.
Date accessed: 26 October 2008.
There are also biographical details of some of the crew at Appendix II of:
Treasure and Intrigue: The Legacy of Captain Kidd
By Graham Harris
Published by Dundurn Press Ltd., 2002
ISBN 1550024094, 9781550024098
348 pages
Limited preview available through Google Books search.
~~~~~~~~~~~
Copy of articles of agreement between Capt. William Kidd, Commander of
the good ship Adventure, and John Walker, Quartermaster. Sept. 10,
1696.... Signed, William Kidd. Subscribed and agreed to by the ship's
company;
https://goo.gl/5cequ5
Edward Henry is my direct GREAT GREAT Grandfather
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Correction and an addition to my last post *
I believe that John Collingwood that married Mary Barker at St.Dunstans, of *Farting* Fields, Wapping in 1697 and was the first of the Collingwoods to be mentioned at St Dunstons and may be John the Sawyer's (1737-1796) grandfather (the father Edward John Collingwood is listed as an upholsterer- ships outfitter that became a master mariner), These were favourable times in the early 1700's for crews of privateers to finance a more lucrative future for themselves and their decendents
Of course it should read Farthing Fields...not Farting, ha ha
I would add that the old Farthing Fields that no longer exists was in proximity to the old original London Dock and Tobacco Dock in Wapping, just a short walk. Here came many of the old Pirate and Privateer ships to disembark crew and cargo. The cargo then could be taken to one of the many warehouses for auction. Often the real owners would bid for their own goods' return at the then famous John Lee Warehouse that eventually became known as the Corn Exchange.
John Collingwood, mariner of Farthing Fields, married Mary Barker in 1697 may have trotted along to Wapping Wall to witness the execution of Captain Kidd in 1701. If he was part of the crew he would have had two years grace to re-settle and maybe come back to London incognito, ready for one of the most significant trials and executions of the times. For hereon the fortunes of their decendants dwindled somewhat over the next 140yrs...the Collingwoods became just ordinary seamen, dockers, stevedores, shipwrights. No longer master mariners they just changed with the times from sail to engine powered ships. The days of the big booty payouts were over. Now came the Unions. Duncan Dunbar was instrumental in abolishing the 'pirates share'... one sixty/ fourth of the bounty shared among the crew was still prevalent in the 1820's.
The traditions of the sea led to today's Unions and the dockers'-stevedores' tradition of the 'ganger' picking his eight men to 'unload this ship'stemmed from the first mate having potential crew men of pirate ships line up on the dockside with a 'special ticket' purchased privately and vetted by a serving family member. "Show your ticket, no ticket, no sail"
The docker's ticket and the unions were born.
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Another correction *John Lee Warehouses......should have read John Law's warehouses, that eventually became the site of the Corn Exchange
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I've located a list of names for Captain Kidd's crew.
https://goo.gl/5cequ5
SOURCE:
Sponsor: Institute of Historical Research
Publication: Calendar of State Papers Colonial, America and West Indies
Author: Cecil Headlam (editor)
Year published: 1910
Pages: 190-205
Contents: April 1700
Citation: 'America and West Indies: April 1700, 21-25', Calendar of
State Papers Colonial, America and West Indies: 1700, volume 18
(1910), pp. 190-205.
URL: http://www.british-history.ac.uk/report.aspx?compid=71340.
Date accessed: 26 October 2008.
There are also biographical details of some of the crew at Appendix II of:
Treasure and Intrigue: The Legacy of Captain Kidd
By Graham Harris
Published by Dundurn Press Ltd., 2002
ISBN 1550024094, 9781550024098
348 pages
Limited preview available through Google Books search.
~~~~~~~~~~~
Copy of articles of agreement between Capt. William Kidd, Commander of
the good ship Adventure, and John Walker, Quartermaster. Sept. 10,
1696.... Signed, William Kidd. Subscribed and agreed to by the ship's
company;
Samuel Aires
Hendrick Albert
James Alger
Isaac Ambros
William Arnett
Henry Bainbridge
Govert Baners
Richd. Basnet
Charles Bathurst
Wm. Beck
James Betles
Archibal. B. Bohanan.
George Bollen
William Bowyer*
Wm. Bowyer, senr*
Robert Bradinham
Samuel Bradley
Harculis Bredsteed
John Browne
Edward Buckmaster
Joseph Budden
Harman Buger
John Burton
Michael Calloway
Andrew Calwell
James Carr
David Carsson
Humphry Clay
Robert Clem
Clexfflders (sic)***
Edward Colliness**
John Collings*
Jacob Conklin
Phillip Conninghame**
Jacob Cornelijs
Aba. Coucher
Hendrickus Cregier
John Davis
John de Mart*
Jan de Roodt*
Peter de Roy*
Simon de Woolf*
Isaac Dernes
Patrick Dinmer
Noah East
Mich. Evens
Henry Everts
Peter Fewlo
John Finely
John Fletcher*
Thomas Fletcher*
John Fling
Benjamin Franks
Ery Geyselar
Alex. Gordon
Edward Graham
Peter Hammond
Morgan Harriss
Barnet Higgins
Joseph Hill
Thomas Hobson
William Holden
Jacob Horran
James How*
Andrew How*
William Hunt*
Robert Hunt*
John Hunt, jun*
John Hunt, senr*
Andries Jeaniszen
Nicholas Jennings
John Jonson
John Kemble
Walter King
Peter Lee
Gabriel Loffe
Bernard Looman
John Marten
Henry Meade
Alexander Milberry
Ebenezar Miller
Daniel Mokoricke*
**William Moore (murdered by KIDD of which he was hanged in 1701)
David Mullings
Alex. Mumford
Neschen
Henry Olive
Yoer Oovrall
Cornelius Orvyn
Joseph Palmer
John Parerick, negro
John Pears
William Percy
Henry Pieterson
Thomas Purdeg
(Quarter-master)
Edward Roberts*
John Roberts*
Peter P. Rouse
William Rowls
Robert Ruderford
Aldris Saerdenbreech
Henry Sanders
George Sinkler
William Skines
John Smith *
English Smith*
Robert Smithers*
Jan Spons
Edward Spooner
Casper Spreall
Ellis Strong
George Tarpole
Samuel Taylor
John Torksey
Nicholas Tredgidgen*
Jonathan Tredway*
Nicholas Tuder*
William Turner
John Warker*
Hugh Washington
John Watson
William Weakum*
Wm. Wellman
John West
William Whitley
John Wier
Wm. Willdey, junr*
Richd. Willdey, senr*
Tho. Wright
Many names appear to be either spelt wrongly or may just be bogus to hide true identities.
I have highlighted ** those that imo are suspect AND those which are/or seem to be family groups in for a one-off fortune?
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EDWARD HENRY COLLINGWOOD, 1817 - 1878
Died from fever from exposure while fixing storm damage on Dharwar
http://goo.gl/eI3gTr
This year marks the 200th year of the birth of Edward Henry Collingwood died 24th Oct 1878 in Old Hong Kong.
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Edward Henry Collingwood's youngest son.
My great grand father
Alfred Daniel Collingwood-1st. 1849 - 1921 least known of our family, he was too young for the Crimean war and a bit past it for the Boer War..and definitely on his uppers by the First WW. He did his national service and worked the East India Docks and was the first of the Collingwoods to become a stevedore. It was thought he got a souvenir from the 'Buffalo Bill Wild West Show' when it came to London in 1887 to coincide with Victoria's Jubilee, an Apache arrow in a sheaf, yes you've guessed made by Sittting Bull himself ? (probably mass produced), but his son (my grand dad) had it hanging above 'THE THIN RED LINE' with some other artifacts from the Zulu Wars. It is known that he also tried his hand at 'going to sea'...he died around 1921.
These old Collingwoods, they loved the sea. Myself, i hate the sea ever since i swam on top of the water from an attacking Great White off Barbados. I swear i was on top of the water going faster than than the shark, screaming , only to be told by the larfing spectators s that the 'shark' was a large cluster of seaweed carried by the fast current.
My grandfather
Alfred Daniel Collingwood-2nd. 1879- 1949. Was apprenticed blacksmith at 14, for the East India Company 'yards. Was active in the Boer War S.Africa campaign. "The Thin Red Line" adorned his passage hallway, which i saw and still remember as 5 year old kid just before he died in 1949. This painting was his pride and joy as he was one of them. He took up his father's 'ticket' and worked as a stevedore. He was never in any one job for long and tried his hand at many trades including 'engine driver' a more colourful description for a 'stoker' going to sea a few times. Lived at various addresses in Poplar, Cawdor St, Ellerthorpe St, Abbott Rd, Dee St, Aberfeldy St and died at Alton St. next to Alton St Infants School, which i attended as a five year old.
My Father
Alfred Daniel Collingwood-3rd. 1913- 1965
Well, my own father died very young at 52yrs, he was a Stevedore in the Royal Albert Docks from 1947 - 1955.
He never spoke much of his ancestors and i guess, i know more about them than he did. He did his army national service in 1931 and volunteered for the Merchant Navy when war broke out
My father lived with my mum at Aberfeldy St as newly weds, when it was destroyed by German bombing. My dad was at sea and mum was in an air-raid shelter with my sister. My mum got a telegram from the Admiralty "October 1942 -Alfred Daniel Collingwood -missing presumed dead-converted whaler Sourabaya torpedoed North Atlantic German U-boat". It was delivered as she rummaged through what was left of her belongings in the debris. It was some weeks before she was 'told' that he was rescued at sea by an American destroyer and taken to Baltimore. All British servicemen (by order of the Admiralty) rescued and taken back to the States, had to carryft on with the war effort until they could be brought home. So dad had to get busy working building the Liberty Ships. He was in the States for the duration and drove yellow cabs and worked as a cook a chef. He finally came back home working as 2nd Cook on a Merchantman- Empire MacMahon at the end of the war.
Myself
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http://www.archive.org/stream/blackwallfrigate00lubb2/blackwallfrigate00lubb2_djvu.txt
The 19th century stevedores and dockers picked their gangs consisting of eight men. They would converge on the dockside and the 'ganger' would pick his men using his experience. Edward Henry would have seen this process many times not knowing that his decendants, the Alfred Daniels, 1st, 2nd and 3rd, would all become stevedores !
Here, Basil Lubbock describes how ships crew were 'hand' picked in similar fashion and how the crew joined the 'pecking order of 'perks'
pages 66-68
66 THE BLACKWALL FRIGATES
The chief officer was allowed 2 firkins of butter, 1 cwt.
of cheese, 1 cwt. of grocery, and 4 quarter cases of
pickles as extra provisions ; the proportions of the other
officers being on the same scale as the wine.
The captain was given two personal servants; the
chief officer, second officer, surgeon, bosun, gunner and
carpenter were each giv^en a servant. No wonder that
the Merchant Service was sought after by the highest
in the land.
The Foremast Hands of an Indiaman.
The crew of the Thames are not yet on board,
though they had been chosen before she hauled out of
dock. The business of signing on had been carried out
on board, for the day of shipping offices had not arrived.
The time — 11 a.m. — had been posted up in the main
rigging, and when the hour arrived there were perhaps
two or three hundred men on the docks ide. Most of
these men owed their advance notes to Hart, the Jew,
a noted Ratcliffe Highway slopshop keeper and cashier
of advance notes at high rates. His runners usually
contrived to get their men in the front rank so as to
catch the eyes of the first and second officers and boat-
swain, who, in picking the crew, soon showed themselves
to be expert judges of sailormen.
The pay for foremast hands was 35s. a month; the
advance, which was two months' pay, was at once
pounced upon by the Jews, but Jack boasted that on a
sou-Spainer bound to a warm climate he only needed a
stockingful of clothes. However, it was noticeable
that even if a man came aboard without a sea chest, he
always had his ditty bag, which contained his marlin-
spike, fid, palm and needles, bullock's horn of grease
and serving board.
FOREMAST HANDS 67
In those days there was no mistaking a seaman for
a landsman. He may perhaps be best described as
a full-grown man with the heart of a child. His
simplicity was on a par with his strength of limb, and
his endurance was as extraordinary as his coolness and
resource in moments of emergency or stress.
In appearance he was recognisable anywhere, not only
for the peculiar marks of the sea and the characteristics
of his kind, but for his length and breadth of limb.
In height he towered over the landsman of his age,
whilst his shoulders occupied the space of two landsmen
in a crowd, and his handshake was something to be
avoided by people with weak bones.
His dress was distinctive of his calling, the nearest
approach to it being the rig of the present day man-of-
war's man. He had, however, a fondness for striped
cotton in shirt and trouser, and when he did consent to
cover his feet sported pumps with big brass buckles
instead of clumsy boots. The black neckerchief came
in of course at Nelson 's funeral, being a sign of mourning
for the little Admiral.
As to headgear, his shiny black tarpaulin hat seems
to have become entirely extinct, and the gaily coloured
handkerchief, which was usually wound round the head
in action, would cause one to suspect its wearer of aping
the pirate in these sober-bued days.
Having had a prowl round the ship, seen our furniture
placed in our cabin, and drunk a glass of wine with the
purser, we finally leave the Indiaman and pull back
through the shipping on the first of the flood.
An Indiaman leaving Gravesend.
A fortnight later we find the Thames lying at
Gravesend with the Blue Peter flying. We get aboard
and then spend our time watching the busy scene.
http://www.archive.org/stream/blackwallfrigate00lubb2/blackwallfrigate00lubb2_djvu.txt
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EDWARD HENRY COLLINGWOOD and WILLIAM INKSTER
This year is the 200th anniversary of his birth.
Died from fever from exposure while fixing storm damage on Dharwar 24-Oct 1878
http://goo.gl/eI3gTr
http://goo.gl/OfHRee
WILLIAM INKSTER -shipwright in 1888 was on his last voyage on the Dharwar.
He saved the ship from certain disaster by making good the ships damaged steering gear
in a devasting storm. He became famous in his day as the shipwright that saved the Dharwar!
Ten years earlier in 1878, also shipwright on the Dharwar, Edward Henry Collingwood made good some storm damage to the bowsprit and spinnaker. In cold and heavy weather the Dharwar was just two days out from Old Hong Kong. He contracted a fever and died in a Hong Kong hospital four days later. His crew pals clubbed together to have a headstone erected and he is buried in Hong Kong's Happy Valley cemetary.
Shipwrights often made ships' coffins and it has intrigued me if Edward Henry made one for himself?
When not at sea both William Inkster and Edward Henry Collingwood worked as part time firemen. Then of course the fire service recruited mainly volunteers usually seaman that had time between ships. They had to live close to the fire station and Edward Henry lived at this time only yards away at 28, Masters Lane now called Gillender St that runs South in one direction parallel to the tunnel approach. He had moved from Cawdor St, since demolished in 1952 to make way for the Blackwall tunnel approach- A12. Just a few minutes walk was the entrance to the East India Docks and the now demolished Poplar Docks and Seaman's Hospital. So small and narrow were these streets that dozens of streets along the tunnel approach were demolished in 1951-52. Cawdor St originally continued on from Dee St and Abbott Rd. The old building that housed the fire station in Gillender St and no 28 are still there but renovated and used by offices and a service depot.
http://goo.gl/OfHRee
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http://www.british-history.ac.uk/report.aspx?compid=46508
Edward Henry's father was John Collingwood, 1776 - 1821
He was only 45yrs and i believe he died from a lung related illness from his trade as a ropemaker?
John Tucker's whitelead paint yard was almost within the ropeyards . Ropes were tarred for protection against seawater and the mills were within the same 'yards.' Most industry workers died of lung diseases especially those involving tarring and whitelead paintmaking. He lived in Tuckers Court Alley where his son Edward Henry also grew up and worked as a shipwright.
Edward moved closer to the East India Docks to that he could go to sea from there, working on ships and to escape the perils his dad endured with dangerous chemicals. John had received a pension from the Dunbar Wharf and was retired early due to ill health. He was held in high esteem by his employers as a master ropemaker having supplied the ropes for Nelson's 'ships-of-the-line fleet at Trafalgar. Nine years after his father's death Edward was apprenticed to Duncan Dunbar as a shipwright in 1830. He was a young apprentice when the Great Shipwright Strike of 1831-2 and therefore was commissioned to train in other aspects within the shipyards including more strenuous dock and stevedore work until the nearly year-long strike was over.
Edward was 4yrs old when his dad John died in 1821. He moved to No.6 Cawdor St, which was demolished to make way for the entrance of the Blackwall Tunnel Approach, A12 (part of the old Brunswick Rd), that ran to my father's last home in St Leonards St' Bow.
Edward moved from Cawdor St, to Ellerthorpe St, which was cleared in 1951 for the new Lansbury Market project. Ellerthorpe St continued on from Ricardo St,THROUGH TO THE CURRENT market entrance, which was built on top of the demolished Ellerthorpe St. He then moved to Lochnagar St, Poplar and thence to his last known home in Masters Lane (now Gillender St) to be closer to the docks and his work as a part-time fireman.
My Great-grandfather, Alfred Daniel,b 1846 was born at Tuckers Court Alley.This place was close to the Poplar Workhouse and was also home for some rough 'Irish Cockneys'
My grand father Alfred Daniel, b 1879 was born after 'his' grandfather Edward Henry died in Hong Kong in 1878 the year before he was born.
I am trying to establish the Collingwood connections with historical events; the English Civil War, The High Sheriffs of Northumberland, the pubs around Wapping, and the possibility that some may have sailed on pirate ships including The Adventure Galley of Captain William Kydd
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{Edward moved from Cawdor St, to Ellerthorpe St which was cleared in 1951 for the new Lansbury Market project. Ellerthorpe St continued on from Ricardo St,THROUGH TO THE CURRENT market entrance, which was built on top of the demolished Ellerthorpe St. He then moved to Lochnagar St, Poplar and thence to his last known home in Masters Lane (now Gillender St) to be closer to the docks and his work as a part-time fireman}
Edward relocated from Cawdor St about 1851 ...100 yrs BEFORE the Blackwall Tunnel -A12 approach and the Lansbury Market projects. When Duncan Dunbar died in 1862 the West India Docks were fast making way for the new East India Docks. Edward was now moving closer to the Blackwall projects and by 1859 he was living at Ellerthorpe St before moving to Masters Lane around 1863. His new employers now were 'Dicky' Green and Money Wigram
It is believed that his mother Anne Merritt and his siblings suffered extreme hardship and near poverty after John died in 1821. However,living in Tuckers Crt Alley was only yards from the POPLAR workhouse where most of the impoverished and widows ended up. It was Poplars first experiment in trying to help the poor. Often whole families with children over 7yrs of age and the work shy, were given 12 hours work for pittances or just food for the day. Edward and his siblings were given apprentices both at the Dunbar Wharf and The East India Company on the merits and 'tickets-notes' of their deceased father as they in turn reached the ages of 12 -13
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My father Alfred Daniel Collingwood embarked N.Y. 4th Oct 1942 and re-boarded the Sourabaya around the 25th Oct 1942. Two days out from New York she was torpedoed. He spent a day in the sea with five other seamen clinging to each other's lifejackets. Was rescued by a U.S. ship and taken back to the U.S. He was subsequently thought 'missing presumed dead'.
http://uboat.net/allies/merchants/ship.html?shipID=2302
At 23.03 hours on 27 Oct 1942, U-436 fired a torpedo at the convoy HX-212 southeast of Cape Farewell, heard a detonation after 59 seconds and observed the hit on the Frontenac. Five minutes later a spread of three torpedoes was fired and detonations were heard after 1 minute, 1 minute 16 seconds and 2 minutes 24 seconds. The third torpedo sank the Sourabaya and the fourth damaged the Gurney E. Newlin, both hits were observed by Seibicke. At 23.11 hours, U-436 fired the stern torpedo and reported another ship damaged, but this is not confirmed by Allied sources.
The master, 36 crew members, 24 passengers, 16 DBS and four gunners from Sourabaya (Master William Thompson Dawson) were picked up by HMCS Alberni (K 103) (Lt I.H. Bell, RCNVR) and HMCS Ville de Quebec (K 242) (LtCdr A.R.E. Coleman, RCNR) and landed at Liverpool on 2 November. 26 crew members, 31 passengers, 16 DBS and four gunners were picked up by the Bic Island, which was torpedoed and sunk with all hands by U-224 (Kosbadt) on 29 October.
The British landing craft HMS LCT-2281 (291 tons) on deck was lost with the vessel.
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Correction from my post Sunday 21st of May. I incorrectly said that Edward Henry Collingwood's mother was Ann Merritt. That was his wife she died 1876. Sorry
His mother was Elizabeth Marshall died 1851
28 Feb 1802 Married John COLLINGWOOD husb of Elizabeth MARSHALL Limehouse, St. Anne MDX PR G: b; B:, s; botp, by banns, both signed; W: Edward Towns, Thos. Long
(Edward Henry's Parents)
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The Dharwar sister ship of The Cutty Sark
One of the tasks of a shipwright was to overhaul the copper covering of the hull. Copper sheathing often buckled and bent with the battering of the waves causing 'drag'. Since most of these clippers competed for the fastest times on their journeys often this work was done, if safely possible while at sea.
*It is hard to imagine that these sailing ships could carry over 400 passengers, yet they often did unless they were cargo loaded. Outward bound ships carried troops for India and China to protect and relieve serving soldiers for the East India Company. Disembarking their human cargo they then had to load tea or wool even timber as ballast. When troops were not onboard then a monthly consignment of emigrants or convicts were loaded. The Australian 'wool-fleets' began as the tea trade suffered by competition and the US began their tea trade in the 1860's.
The Dharwar was as fast as the Cutty Sark and the Thermopylae having competed on separate occasions making the Australian trip under different sea conditions.
http://www.convictrecords.com.au/ships/earl-grey
Silver Eagle , note over 400 women transporties to Australia?
Convicts or Missionaries or women sailing to re-join their men folk that went before them?
Edward Henry Collingwood worked repairing the Earl Grey-convict ship and gave evidence at the 'Bailey,1848.
http://www.oldbaileyonline.org/browse.jsp?id=t18480515-name-918&div=t18480515-1350#highlight
http://www.oldbaileyonline.org/browse.jsp?id=OA17550317n23-2&div=OA17550317#highlight
John Taylor - Ordinary's account of typical executions at Newgate Prison
At the Place of EXECUTION.
ON Monday morning, the 17th instant, about nine o'clock, the several malefactors ordered for execution, were brought out of the press-yard, and being put into three carts, Gill and Delarant , in one; Trevis , Haynes and Burton , in a second; Burk , Preston and Dyson , in a third, were carried to the place of execution, about ten o'clock. When they were tied up to the fatal tree, some time was passed in recommending their souls to divine mercy; and they were very intent to prayers, in the name of Christ and his church, offered up to the throne of grace in their behalf; and prayed as heartily in others, which they repeated for themselves, acknowledging their unworthiness, and dependance only on Christ's merits.
Dyson, at getting into the cart at Newgate, as also when he was in the cart from which he was executed at Tyburn, shewed such extraordinary marks of senselesness of his condition, as surprised every beholder. But where's the wonder, when we consider him as scarce past childhood; having never been exercised, but in puerile amusements; having had no education; and scarce ever having heard there was a God and a future state, till under sentence of death. Notwithstanding, as horrible a dread overwhelmed him, as did, perhaps, any of the rest, who behaved as became people in their last moments.
Only Burk died a Roman catholick ; who declared, as Gill did to the last, that the robbery, for which Isaiah Robbins, now under respite for three weeks, was convicted, was by them committed near Whitechapel- mount , upon Mr. Richardson. Execution was done upon them without any disturbance, tho' a vast multitude were gathered together on the occasion. Their bodies were delivered to their friends.
This is all the Account given by me, JOHN TAYLOR , Ordinary of Newgate.
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Ordinary's Account, 17th March 1755.
As the prisoners were taken to Tyburn for execution, the cart ( which was called a lurch)was ceremoniously pulled over at a nearby tavern and the crowds that had gathered to witness the hangings offered the cart driver a jug of ale, as was customary. While the crowds jeered at the unfortunate souls, the driver would leave the lurch and join in the celebration leaving the prisoners in deep prayer. Then would solemnly carry on his journey to Tyburn Tree.
'Left in the Lurch'
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Collingwood DATA Set
http://www.wildot.co.uk/datasets/collingw.htm
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EDWARD HENRY COLLINGWOOD, died Oct 24th 1878 in Old Hong Kong, last sailed on thye Dharwar....sister ship to thye Cutty Sark
Tuckers Court Alley was at the most southern end of Dingle Lane and Dolphin Lane. Adjacent to
Tuckers court in proximity to the Poplar Workhouse was an open sewer running straight into the W.India dock. This 'open' sewer was a link to the 18th century and endured the name "Rolling Turd Alley" at least until the mid 1870's
From here it was just a short 5mins WALK to West India Docks and the famous ship building DUNBAR WHARF in Fore Street (now Narrow St, Limehouse and the infamous Ropemakers Fields) where Edward Henry and his dad (John the ropemaker) WORKED as a shipwright, probably until Duncan Dunbar died in 1862. It seems from here Edward moved to Cawdor Street closer to the East India Docks where he could embark on his many ship voyages.
http://www.british-history.ac.uk/report.aspx?compid=46471
Dingle Lane and Dingle Lane School (demolished).
Dingle Lane, to the east of No. 30, was one of the ways from the High Street to the Isle of Dogs until the southern part was removed by the construction of the West India Docks. There was some building along it by the early eighteenth century, (ref. 357) and in the early nineteenth century Tucker's Court (begun by Thomas Hale) and Dingle Court were built on its south side. They consisted of a double row of 14 back-to-back two-storey cottages, each with two rooms and a kitchen or scullery.
http://www.merchantnetworks.com.au/periods/1800after/1800dunbar.htm
Edward(Master shipwright) and his father John (Dunbar Wharf roperies) were very well paid in the employ of Duncan Dunbar. the ships tariff of 64 shares divided among crew were remnants of days of piracy. A ship's carpenter below 1st mate was the second best paid job on ships compliment.
The great ship builders of the 17th and 18th centuries came from Durham and Scotland. The Collingwoods of Durham were mostly seafarers, 'MASTER MARINERS' AND ship builders and came to London after the English Civil WAR...A line of Collingwoods held office as The High Sheriffs of Northumberland, more research is needed to find our connections here.
BUT one thing stands out...the early Collingwoods of the 15th to the 18th centuries, the Williams, the Johns and Edwards all seem to be wealthier than their later shipworking descendants.
They came to London and spread throughout the World and some made money from legal or illegal piracy/privateering.
There is evidence that this 'bounty' the pirates share has been used to finance the apprenticeships of their descendants. How else did they make the money in those days for highly skilled training of shipwrights? In some cases the financing of 'Victuallers Stores', Inns around the Wapping and Ratcliffe areas of Stepney. How did they form the 'closed' shop of the father to son in the Dock Trade and the Guilds of Shipwrights, Sawyers, Cordwainers and Ropemakers ? Admiral Nelson used Swedish ropemaking techniques to be used in the roperies of Limehouse. A contingency of Swedish crewmen volunteered at Trafalgar and were considered the best ropemen of the time. Our 'Collingwood' history of the sea is prolific down the centuries, it may take me further..good luck, Daniel Collingwood
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Some of our ancestors can be found in trials at the Old Bailey mostly as witnesses and the stories in the court transcripts are chilling in their authenticity and the language of times gone by..
https://www.oldbaileyonline.org/browse.jsp?id=t17480526-18-person216&div=t17480526-18#highlight
Margaret Collingwood- witness, great great grandmother of Edward Henry Collingwood.
Jury. We should be glad to know what Mrs. Collingwood's husband is (does)?
Collingwood. My husband is master of a Guinea-man . (Slaver)
Jury. Where do you live?
Collingwood. In Queen's-Square, Ratcliff-Highway .
Jury. Why was it improper for him to come to your house?
Collingwood. I thought it improper.
Jury. For what reason.
Collingwood. Why then, Gentlemen of the Jury, I will tell you. My husband has been gone these six years, trading on the coast of Guinea; and he being gone so long I was forced to take a lodging, and take in plain work , and go out to ironing. As to my sister, she lives in a very creditable manner, I do assure you.
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https://www.oldbaileyonline.org/browse.jsp?id=t18480515-name-918&div=t18480515-1350#highlight
EDWARD HENRY COLLINGWOOD- witness I am in the employ of a shipwright I was employed in taking some copper off the ship Earl Grey, belonging to Mr. Duncan Dunbar—I threw the copper on the punt—I can swear to all this copper, except two pieces—it came off that ship—two of these pieces in particular I can swear to, and the other I have no doubt of—they were all in the punt, which was under the ship acting as a stage for me to work at the vessel—I know this piece by my own marking on it, and this one by its acting as a brace under the pump case.
http://www.oldbaileyonline.org/search.jsp?foo=bar&form=searchHomePage&_persNames_surname=collingwood&kwparse=and&start=0
Henry Baxter, John Rook.
Violent Theft: highway robbery. 5th December 1733 - Verdict Guilty
Sentence Death
http://www.oldbaileyonline.org/browse.jsp?id=t17331205-12-person106&div=t17331205-12#highlight
George Collingwood -witness - Great Uncle to John the Ropemaker Going over the Fields with Mr. Wilmot and his Clerk, two Fellows came running along, and crying out, Lord have Mercy upon us! - O Lord! - a mad Bull! - the Devil! - has frighted us out of our Wits. I thought they look'd like a Couple of Rogues, and the Prosecutor said, he believ'd they were the Men that robb'd him, and so we made bold to secure them both.
THE ORDINARY of NEWGATE'S ACCOUNT of the Behaviour, Confession, and Dying Words. Of the EIGHT MALEFACTORS, Who were executed at TYBURN, On MONDAY the 17th of March, 1755,
http://www.oldbaileyonline.org/browse.jsp?id=OA17550317n23-2&div=OA17550317#highlight
At the Place of EXECUTION.
ON Monday morning, the 17th instant, about nine o'clock, the several malefactors ordered for execution, were brought out of the press-yard, and being put into three carts, Gill and Delarant , in one; Trevis , Haynes and Burton , in a second; Burk , Preston and Dyson , in a third, were carried to the place of execution, about ten o'clock. When they were tied up to the fatal tree, some time was passed in recommending their souls to divine mercy; and they were very intent to prayers, in the name of Christ and his church, offered up to the throne of grace in their behalf; and prayed as heartily in others, which they repeated for themselves, acknowledging their unworthiness, and dependance only on Christ's merits.
Dyson, at getting into the cart at Newgate, as also when he was in the cart from which he was executed at Tyburn, shewed such extraordinary marks of senselesness of his condition, as surprised every beholder. But where's the wonder, when we consider him as scarce past childhood; having never been exercised, but in puerile amusements; having had no education; and scarce ever having heard there was a God and a future state, till under sentence of death. Notwithstanding, as horrible a dread overwhelmed him, as did, perhaps, any of the rest, who behaved as became people in their last moments.
Only Burk died a Roman catholick ; who declared, as Gill did to the last, that the robbery, for which Isaiah Robbins, now under respite for three weeks, was convicted, was by them committed near Whitechapel- mount , upon Mr. Richardson. Execution was done upon them without any disturbance, tho' a vast multitude were gathered together on the occasion. Their bodies were delivered to their friends.
This is all the Account given by me, JOHN TAYLOR , Ordinary of Newgate.
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You can trace back all the Collingwoods that appeared at the Old Bailey.
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Hannah Brown, Esther Collingwood -
Theft: grand larceny.
6th December 1693
http://www.oldbaileyonline.org/search.jsp?foo=bar&form=searchHomePage&_persNames_surname=collingwood&kwparse=and&start=0
Esther Collingwood - believed to be great aunt of Margaret Collingwood and was a regular at the Old Bailey.
Hannah Brown, alias Batson , and Esther Collingwood , were both Tried for stealing a Gown, val. 20 shillings. six Napkins val. 6 shillings. a Table-Cloth 6 shillings. the Goods of John Racey ; and a Gown and other Goods from Mrs. Ann Smith ; Brown was Mr. Racey's Servant ; and whilst he and his Wife were abroad, she robbed the House, which she confessed when taken: and a Mantua and Petticoat was found upon Collingwood; but it did not appear that Collingwood had any hand in the Felony, so she was Acquitted , but Brown was found guilty .
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the crew list of the DHARWAR -1878.
http://marinersandships.com.au/1878/05/032dha.htm
She left London for Sydney 14th May 1878. It is not certain if the DHARWAR participated in the tea trade to Hong Kong and Shanghai. BUT she pulled into Hong Kong to bury my dear old great-great-grand-dad-Edward Henry.Around 1875-77 tea clippers turned to the 'wool fleets' and carried both cargoes to fill up their holds. The Dharwar was one of the 'Iron Clads' fully rigged for sail and engines she was quite fast. She was luxuriously decked out and Edward Henry is fourth rated among the ships crew as carpenter/shipwright, and very well paid.
http://www.bruzelius.info/Nautica/Ships/Merchant/Sail/D/Dharwar(1864).html
Built in 1864, she was fulled rigged, iron body sail/engine. Constructed for the Australian emmigrant and wool trade. Provisions were also made for the transportation of convicts.
nb..Edward's age on the crew list is given as 58 but this may be Edward telling porkies as he was 61 in 1878...and the oldest crew member by 16yrs. I don't think he wanted to retire back home in dreary Poplar. Australia was the 'new' New Adventure but maybe he was getting to the age where his life became an indecision. Australia and the gold rush was underway...Edward was losing his sea legs? His eldest son Robert Edward had travelled with him on an early trip in 1859 on the Camperdown...it is thought Robert stayed in Australia - disembarked. After 1859 all records of him are lost
1878 This was the fateful trip where EH lost his life after doing 'at sea' repairs to steering and sails damage during a storm....he contracted pneumonia and was taken to Old Hong Kong...where he died in hospital.
http://marinersandships.com.au/shipdate.htm
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Mrs Mary Wiseman's Bequest left £1,000 in her will Jan 1758 to train six young boys as shipwrights at Woolwich Yard. The one condition was that they had to be sons of deceased shipwrights of the Woolwich Yard.
https://goo.gl/DV4UGU
The accademy that she created proved successful and the boys were under the watchful eye of the Master Attendant...Edward Collingwood grand father of Francis Edward Collingwood of Trafalgar initiated and encouraged the training of boys to become sawyers and shipwrights.
https://goo.gl/DV4UGU
John the ropemaker died when Edward Henry was 4yrs old in 1821. He most likely used his father's and grandfather's 'tickets' and went on to become a 'freelance' shipwright working for Duncan Dunbar until 1862 and then moving on to working for Green and Wigram until his demise in Old Hong Kong, 1878. I will be making further checks to see if EH had been apprenticed under the auspices of Mrs Wiseman's Bequest!
I hope to establish a family connection through Edward the Sawyer (nephew?) and Edward the Master Attendant(uncle-in-law?) through Francis of Trafalgar and the Lord Admiral Cuthbert Collingwood and Sir Daniel Collingwood of Brandon.
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THE COLLINGWOOD DATA SET
http://www.wildot.co.uk/datasets/collingw.htm
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I have corrected the transcribed mistakes from the archive document of 1823. The wording is in the tense as written originally. Francis Edward Collingwood with mid-shipman John Pollard were both finally credited with killing the French sniper who killed Admiral Lord Nelson, from the mizzen mast of Le Redoutable. The dispute as to who killed the sniper had raged for 40 years, 30 years after Collingwood died
https://archive.org/stream/cihm_37593/cihm_37593_djvu.txt
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*The Victory, 1744, here, is of course an earlier ship of the same name and not Nelson's flag-ship of which Francis Edward Joined at Spithead one month before Trafalgar......
FRANCIS EDWARD COLLINGWOOD, Esq.
Is descended from a very ancient family, the CoUingwoods,
of Eslington, co. Northumberland, led by their attachment to the House of Stuart, suffered a great reverse of fortune, in 1715. His grandfather, Edward, successively master- attendant of the dock-yards at Plymouth, Portsmouth, Chatham, and Deptford, (the first person of the name of Collingwood whom we find mentioned in our naval annals), sailed round the world, as midshipman, with Anson, by whom he was ever afterwards patronised, and was master of the *Victory, first rate, flag- ship of Admiral Sir John Balchen, a short time previous to her loss, in Oct. 1744 *.
On the 3d Oct, 1744, the fleet under Sir John Balchen, then returning home from Gibraltar, encountered a violent storm, in which several of the ships were much shattered. On the 4th, the "Victory separated from her consorts, and was never more heard of. It is supposed that she struck upon a ridge of rocks off the Caskets ; as from the testimony of the men who attended the lights, and the inhabitants of the island of (GIBRALTA)
Mr. F. E, CoLLiNGWooD, only son of Francis Collngwood, of Greenwich, Esq., by Sarah, sister to the hite Captain Thomas Richbell, K. N., chief magistrate of the Thames Police, was born at Milford, co. Pembroke 1785 and entered the royal navy, as midshipman on board the America commanded by his **uncle-in-law, the late Vice-Admiral Sir William Parker, and subsequently served in the Pheasant sloop, Beaulieu and Alligator frigates. Elephant and Victory of 100 guns, the latter ship bearing the flag of the immortal Nelson, whose death he avenged by shooting the French rifleman who had, after repeated attempts, succeeded in mortally wounding that illustrious hero at the ever memorable battle of Trafalgar. During that tremendous conflict, he was sent from his quarters on the poop, where the carnage was most dreadful, with a few men, to assist in extinguishing a fire on board the French 74- gun ship, le Redoubtable, which service he performed in a manner highly satisfactory to his captain, the present Sir Thomas M. Hardy. His promotion to the rank of lieutenant took place on the 22d Jan. 1806.
After serving for some time in the Queen, flag-ship of Lord Collingwood, and Bahama 74, one of the Spanish ships captured off Trafalgar, this officer was appointed to the. Pallas in which frigate we find him present, under the command of Captain (now Sir George F.)Seymour, at the destruction of five French men-of-war, in Aix Roads, April 12th, 1809 In the ensuing summer, he accompanied the grand expedition sent against Antwerp, and was constantly employed, in guard boats and on shore, during the occupation of Walcheren. His next appointment was, Dec. 13th, 1809, to be first lieutenant of the Iris 30, in M'hich ship he continued for a period of five years.
Alderney, many guns were heard on the nights of the 4th and 5th, but the weather was too tempestuous to hazard boats out to their assistance. In this ship perished near one thousand men, besides fifty volunteers, sons of the first nobility and gentry in the kingdom.
The Iris was principally employed in co-operation with the patriots on the north coast of Spain, where Lieutenant Collingwood appears to have been a constant volunteer for boat and shore service; and on many occasions obtained the particular approbation of Captain Sir George Collier, senior officer of the squadron on that station.
In Nov. 1814, Mr. Coliingwood was appointed first lieutenant of the Niger, Captain Peter Rainier, under whom he served for a short time on the Cape of Good Hope station. In December 1820, he obtained the command of the Kite revenue cruiser, employed on the coast of Ireland, where he continued for the usual period of three years.
During this time he had two ribs and his breast bone fractured, was wounded by a pike
through the leg, and received two severe contusions on the head, hie was also washed overboard in a heavy gale of wind, and must have perished, all his boats having been previously lost, had not a following sea thrown him on the square-sail brace, to which he clung until assisted in-board.
His promotion to the rank of commander took place January 15th, 1828.
This officer married, in May 1822, Ellen second daughter of the late Rev. Samuel Collis, of Fort William, co. Kerry, ly whom he has several children. His only surviving sister was wife the of Dr. J. D. Burke, late surgeon of H. M. dockyard at Pembroke, and is now the widow of the Rev. Hugh
Taylor.
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Collingwood, Francis Edward 258
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https://archive.org/stream/cihm_37593/cihm_37593_djvu.txt
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The 'Earl Grey' was a convict ship that Edward Henry was working on to repair hull copper cladding damage to the forward bow and pump stages.
PATRICK BRYAN, JAMES KERR, Theft > simple larceny, 15th May 1848.
Reference Number: t18480515-1350
Offence: Theft > simple larceny
Verdict: Guilty > no_subcategory; Guilty > no_subcategory
Punishment: Transportation. 10 years.
http://www.oldbaileyonline.org/browse.jsp?id=t18480515-name-918&div=t18480515-1350#highlight
These are his actual words in giving evidence in a 'simple larceny' trial at the Old Bailey.....
JOHN WHITE. I am a constable of the dock. I was at the export dock gate when Willson stopped Bryan—I stopped Kerr—he said, "You won't want me; you want the other men that have run away"—I said, "I have got you and I shall keep you"—I searched him, and found 4lbs, of copper in the waistband of his trowsers—he said it was given him by a man in a public-house—Bryan said, "It is no use telling a lie about it; we may as well tell the truth."
EDWARD HENRY COLLINGWOOD. I am in the employ of a shipwright I was employed in taking some copper off the ship 'Earl Grey', belonging to Mr. Duncan Dunbar—I threw the copper on the punt—I can swear to all this copper, except two pieces—it came off that ship—two of these pieces in particular I can swear to, and the other I have no doubt of—they were all in the punt, which was under the ship's bow, acting as a stage for me to work at the vessel—I know this piece by my own marking on it, and this one by its acting as a brace under the pump case.
JAMES GATLOR. I am ship-keeper of the Earl Grey, and live on board I took the copper from the punt into the store, where it was kept—it belonged to Duncan Dunbar—I went to the store on the day after this copper was found, and it was all gone.
Kerr. Q. How long was the copper in the store before you missed it? A. About nine or ten days.
THOMAS PINNER. I was working for Mr. Gladstone—I went to the store shed between ten and eleven o'clock—I found the padlock broken—I told the officer—I found the prisoners in custody the same day.
http://www.oldbaileyonline.org/browse.jsp?id=t18480515-name-918&div=t18480515-1350#highlight
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FRANCIS EDWARD COLLINGWOOD, Esq.
Is descended from a very ancient family, the CoUingwoods,
of Eslington, co. Northumberland, Avho, led by their attach-
ment to the House of Stuart, suffered a great reverse of for-
tune, in J 71 5. His grandfather, Edward, successively
master- attendant of the dock-yards at Plymouth, Ports-
mouth, Chatham, and Deptford, (the first person of the name
of Collingwood whom we find mentioned in our naval annals),
sailed round the world, as midshipman, with Anson, by whom
he was ever afterwards patronised, and was master of the
Victory, first rate, flag- ship of Admiral Sir John Balchen, a
short time previous to her loss, in Oct. 1744 *.
• On the 3d Oct, 1744, the fleet under Sir John Balchen, then return-
ing home from Gibraltar, encountered a violent storm, in which several
of the ships were much shattered. On the 4th, the "Victory separated
from her consorts, and was never more heard of. It is supposed that she
struck upon a ridge of rocks off the Caskets ; as from the testimony of
the men ^vho attended the lights, and the inhabitants of the island of
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Mr. Francis. Edward, Collingwood, only son of Francis Collngwood,
of Greenwich, Esq., by Sarah, sister to the hite Captain
Thomas Richbell, K. N., chief magistrate of the Thames
Police, was born at Milford, co. Pembroke, Mar. 23(1, IZHi ;
and entered the royal navy, as midshipman on board the
America 64, commanded by his uncle-in-law, the late Vice-
Admiral Sir William Parker, IJart., in IJiB*; and subse-
quently served in the Pheasant sloop, Beaulieu and Alligator
frigates. Elephant 7'lj and Victory of 1(X) guns, the latter
ship bearing the flag of the immortal Nelson, whose death he
avenged by shooting the French rifleman who had, after re-
peated attempts, succeeded in mortally wounding that illus-
trious hero at the ever memorable battle of Trafalgar. During
that tremendous conflict, he was sent from his quarters on
the poop, where the carnage was most dreadful, with a few
men, to assist in extinguishing a fire on board the French 74-
gun ship, le Redoubtable, which service he performed in a
manner highly satisfactory to his captain, the present Sir
Thomas M. Hardy. His promotion to the rank of lieutenant
took place on the 22d Jan. 1806.
After serving for some time in the Queen 98, flag-ship of
Lord Collingwood, and Bahama 74, one of the Spanish ships
captured off Trafalgar, this officer was appointed to the. Pal-
las 32, in which frigate we find him present, under the com -
mand of Captain (now Sir George F.) Seymour, at the de-
struction of five French men-of-war, in Aix Roads, April
12th, 1809 f. In the ensuing summer, he accompanied the
grand expedition sent against Antwerp, and was constantly
employed, in guard boats and on shore, during the occupation
of Walcheren. His next appointment was, Dec. 13th, 1809,
to be first lieutenant of the Iris 30, in M'hich ship he con-
tinued for a period of five years.
Alderney, many guns were heard on the nights of the 4th and 5th, but
the weather was too tempestuous to hazard boats out to their assisiaute.
In this ship perished near one thousand men, besides fifty volunteers,
sons of the first nobility and gentry in the kingdom.
COMMANDERS.
The Iris was principally employed in co-operation with the
patriots on the north coast of Spain, where Lieutenant Col-
lingwood appears to have been a constant volunteer for boat
and shore service; and on many occasions obtained the par-
ticular approbation of Captain Sir George Collier, senior
officer of the squadron on that station. A sketch of the
transactions in which he was engaged in the years 1811,
1812, and 1813, will be found in Vol. II. Part II. pp. 521—
632.
In 1813, the Iris, then commanded by Captain H. H.
Christian, captured three American letters of manpie. In
Nov. 1814, Mr. Coliingwood was appointed first lieutenant
of the Niger 38, Captain Peter Rainier, under whom he served
for a short time on the Cape of Good Hope station. In Dec.
1820, he obtained the command of the Kite revenue cruiser,
employed on the coast of Ireland, wliere he continued for the
usual period of three years. During this time he had two
ribs and his breast bone fractured, was wounded by a pike
through the leg, and received two severe contusions on the
head, hie was also washed overboard in a heavy gale of
wind, and must have perished, all his boats having been pre-
viously lost, had not a following sea thrown him on the
square-sail brace, to which he clung until assisted in-board.
His promotion to the rank of commander took place Jan.
15th, 1828.
This officer married, in May 1822, Ellen second daughter
of the late Rev. Samuel Collis, of Fort William, co. Kerry,
-ly whom he has several children. His only surviving sister
•vas tlie wife of Dr. J. D. Burke, late surgeon of H. M. dock-
yard at Pembroke, and is now the widow of the Rev. Hugh
Taylor. . • • , . .
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Since the hanging of George Collingwood-1716 at Liverpool for his part in the Jacobite Rebellion, it is known that this halted the line of Collingwoods that served as High Sheriffs of Northumberland for at least two generations. In the meantime (as was the case after Cromwell's Civil War) many Royalists fled for fear of retribution and confiscation of land and farms, Relatives with the surname of Collingwood fled fom Durham and Northumberland and emerged in Port Areas of many cities including London. The emergence of Alexander Collingwood of Unthank Hall shows t
hey were not unduly on Britain's wanted list. It took time but they came back from the stigma of great uncle George who incidentally was one of only four conspirators to be Hung Drawn and Quartered.
first of the Collingwoods took office in 1544
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/High_Sheriff_of_Northumberland
http://www.northumbrianjacobites.org.uk/pages/detail_page.php?id=57§ion=25
https://www.blogpreston.co.uk/2015/11/1715-battle-of-preston-a-chronology-of-events-during-the-jacobite-uprising-final-part-12/
https://www.alamy.com/george-collingwood-rebel-supporter-of-james-stuart-the-pretender-executed-for-treason-liverpool-1716-engraving-from-james-caulfields-portraits-memoirs-and-characters-of-remarkable-persons-london-1819-image211158624.html
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