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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => England => Berkshire => Topic started by: Vabre on Sunday 14 April 13 06:56 BST (UK)
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Albert New was born abt. 1858 in Swindon, Berkshire ?. Father was Thomas and mother Elizabeth Haggard.
Can someone help me please for I can't find him in the 1861 or the 1871 census.
Albert immigrated to Australia prior to 1881 for that is when he married Elizabeth Hawse at Queenscliff, Victoria, Australia.
I am starting to get frustrated for I am unable to see the forest for the trees.
John,,,Sydney >:(
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Did you mean Swindon, Wiltshire?
From FreeBMD:
Births, June qtr 1858
Highworth district vol 5a, page 8
New, Albert
(Highworth used to bigger than neighbouring Swindon until Swindon grew with the coming of the railways)
How sure are you Albert's parents were Thomas & Elizabeth?
I'm not seeing any Albert with parents Thomas or Elizabeth? ???
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The Albert born in Highworth in 1858 would be the son of Aaron/Aron New and his wife Ann/Annie Townsend. The family migrated to Victoria on the Shooting Star from Liverpool, arrived 11 December 1858.
See family details here: http://www.searle-ons.com/townsend/p95.htm
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Thanks Shaun
I have seen this entry however it is not my New family as the children of Aaron and Ann are not mine.
Thank you for your help.
John,,,Sydney
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Ancestry has 22 submitted public trees for the family of Thomas New and Elizabeth Haggard and none of them include an Albert. Are you sure they are the parents?
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Hi KGarrad
Reading from the birth cert of one of Albert's sons Archie Oliver New (b) 1895, it states that he Albert the father was born in Swindon Berkshire England and was 37 years of age making him born in 1857.
The confusion arises whereby New South Wales BDM has two death entries for an Albert New. One being ...
New, Albert EAW , father Thomas, mother Elizabeth A. died at Camperdown 1909.
And
New Albert , father Aaron and mother Ann died at Drummoyne 1924.
Linking this to the reply which Shaun posted it is definitely not the Albert New who died in 1924.
Now I know this I will need to order the death certificate for Albert EAW New.
Thank you for your help.
John...Sydney :)
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Shaun
I have looked at these and from memory none of the tree owners know who the parents are either. I may have missed it but I am pretty sure I know which path I should take now for I need to order the death cert. for Albert EAW New from the New South Wales BDM
John...Sydney
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Albert EAW New, mother Elizabeth A, was born 1906 in Newtown
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Not sure this helps, but FreeBMD is showing just 2 Albert New births, 1855-1860.
The 1858 birth in Highworth.
and: March qtr 1859
Faringdon district vol 2c, page 266
New, Albert
But he appears to be the son of James & Harriet?
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This researcher clearly believes that the Albert who married Elizabeth Hawse was the son of Aron and Ann http://genforum.genealogy.com/australia/messages/62594.html
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Albert was still alive when Archie attested for the army in 1914 - so he definitely wasn't the one who died in 1909 http://recordsearch.naa.gov.au/scripts/Imagine.asp?B=7989933
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The 1924 funeral was attended by Mr & Mrs A.E. New, Mr & Mrs L Rehardt, Mr & Mrs O Brown and Mr & Mrs O. New. It was at the Methodist Cemetery, Field of Mars
See bottom of column 2:
http://trove.nla.gov.au/ndp/del/article/16160237?searchTerm=%22albert%20new%22&searchLimits=l-category=Family+Notices|||sortby=dateAsc
Archie Oliver New seems to have been known as Oliver Archie New. I think this is his funeral in 1949, also at the Methodist cemetery, Field of Mars. Bottom of column 5:
http://trove.nla.gov.au/ndp/del/article/18125101?searchTerm=%22Archie%20New%22&searchLimits=l-category=Family+Notices
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It seems that Lachlan Rehardt married Victoria Adelaide New, and the 1884 birth record shows that she was the daughter of Albert New and Elizabeth Hawse.
I think we are there now.The Albert New who married Elizabeth Hawse died in Drummoyne in 1924 and was the son of Aron/Arron/Aaron New who emigrated with his family on the Shooting Star in 1858. Not a son of Thomas New and Elizabeth Haggard as was suggested.
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So, that's the Albert born in Highworth, 1858?
As we said earlier!! ;D :-X
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The trouble is there are too many Albert's. Hopefully I can clear this up today when my cousin visits us for lunch. He is the son of Oliver Archie New (known as Archie) and hopefully he can shed some light on this dilemma.
John...Sydney
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I'm not sure I see the dilemma!
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Should mention that Swindon was part of Highworth registration district until 1899 http://www.ukbmd.org.uk/genuki/reg/districts/highworth.html and also that part of Highworth RD (part of Inglesham parish) was in Berkshire until 1881.
Inglesham is now part of the borough of Swindon.
Stratton St Margaret (where Aron New lived in 1851) is around 3 miles north of Swindon town and 7 miles south of Inglesham
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Death of wife Elizabeth in 1919:
http://tinyurl.com/d23kyog
Funeral notice - Elizabeth Recther New http://tinyurl.com/c5tvg7b ( Ties in with his marriage to Elizabeth Rechter Hawse)
She is buried in the same grave as her husband Albert New (1858-1924) at the Field of Mars. Grave number 000168
You can search the Field of Mars burials online. http://www.rookwoodindependent.com.au/index.php?option=com_wrapper&view=wrapper&Itemid=11
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I thought I would retrace the New family from Albert born Murtoa Victoria in 1883 so there are no obvious mistakes. I have ordered the death certificates of both the Alberts where one of these is my Alberts father. One died at Camperdown and the other at Drummoyne. I should receive the records in the next few days.
Many thanks to all for your help.
John...Sydney
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Is your relative the Albert Edward New who died in Murtoa in 1931 ?
http://trove.nla.gov.au/ndp/del/article/16830779?searchTerm=%22albert%20edward%20new%22&searchLimits=l-category=Family+Notices|||sortby=dateAsc
Per the NSW BDM index his parents were Albert E and Elizabeth.
He married Amelia Thompson in Drummoyne in 1912.
The funeral notices in SMH mention the same names as the 1919 and 1924 family notices - Rehardt, Brown, Jones, and Oliver New.
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Shaun
This is my Albert Edward New. He was born in Murtoa in Victoria in 1883 and died at Lilyfield (as stated in the funeral notice). His death is registered at Petersham which is just a few kms. away.
All of the other details you posted are indeed correct.
Archie Oliver New's wife, Gladys, was buried along side her husband in the Field of Mars Cemetery. North Ryde. I remember it well as I attended her funeral in the early 1990's.
What I am trying to determine with a degree of certainty is who were the actual parents of Albert E. New, born about 1858 at Swindon, Berkshire, according to the birth certificate of Archie Oliver New b. 6 June, 1895 at Balmain North Sydney.
John...Sydney
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What I am trying to determine with a degree of certainty is who were the actual parents of Albert E. New, born about 1858 at Swindon, Berkshire
The parents were Aaron and Ann per the 1924 death registration. That seems fairly clear.
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What I am trying to determine with a degree of certainty is who were the actual parents of Albert E. New, born about 1858 at Swindon, Berkshire, according to the birth certificate of Archie Oliver New b. 6 June, 1895 at Balmain North Sydney.
Not a very accurate birth certificate! ;D
There is NO Swindon in Berkshire.
The county boundary between Wiltshire and Berkshire is very close to Swindon, but Swindon has always been in Wiltshire. (I worked there!)
Highworth, where Albert's birth was registered, is just outside Swindon, but still in Wiltshire.
My grandfather ran the Saracen's Head there ;D
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Thanks Shaun
I am aware that Swindon is in Wiltshire I was just quoting what was on the certificate.
I will let you know what the content of the two death certificates are as soon as they arrive, hopefully in the next day or two.
John