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Scotland (Counties as in 1851-1901) => Scotland => Ross & Cromarty => Topic started by: Moonstar36 on Wednesday 24 April 13 12:25 BST (UK)
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I am finally retired and can now spend time on my tree....and am picking up where I left off some while back where in fact I gave up!! What an admittance! :)
I have had such difficulty trying to find this lady who is my GGmother and having moved to Scotland and finding out that both my mothers parents came from here.
I so want to find my GGmother and intend to visit Invergordon which is where my mother said she came from. Apparently she moved down from there to York, speaking only Gaelic, and worked at the Royal York Station hotel when she met my GGfather Henry William Palfreeman.
They married 27 Dec 1876 and she was 24 years old he was 25.
Her father is called Peter Rofs and was a tailor, and am then wanting to try and find him and his relatives...
I previously searched and found details of several but this time round I cannot seem to find anything close, there are so many Isabellas or variations. I have no address for her or parents, I do not know Mum's name.
Her signature on the MC isnt Rofs but looks like Roso ?? ::)
Can anyone give me any leads please??
Thank you! :) :)
would it help giving you the names of their children as think most named after their parents/brothers/sisters etc... Hephzibah Pool, Margaret A, Isabel, Jessie, John, Lily, Sophie B, James Ross, George Henry, Francis Ross, ( me Mum said they had 13 but only found 10)
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Isabella Rofs/Ross? where did she come from?
According to the 1881 census image - Ross which would be Ross & Cromarty
Birthyear shown as 1854
There is this 1861 entry for Rosskeen - Ross & Cromarty but Peter was not a tailor in 1861 but he was in 1851 - see below. All b Rosshire
Peter Ross 60 b Fearn ag lab
Margaret 54 b Kilmuir
Isabella 8 dtr b Rosskeen
Rosskeen ED 5 Page 5 Line 21
Rather elderly parents but in 1851 their only child was Lilly aged 7 and Peter's occ was Tailor!!
Rosskeen ED 2 Page 2 Line 18
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I noticed in the list of names that Isabella had a daughter called Lily.
This Peter Ross is showing as a Tailor.
According to the IGI, the child named Lily was born in Fearn, Ross and Cromarty on 24 Aug 1843, the child of Peter Ross and Lily Munro
If the ages of the parents iare correct, I don't expect they will be Isabella's parents, and I cannot find them again on a later census?
1851: Saltburn, Rosskean, Ross and Cromarty
Peter Ross 50 Head b Fearn. Occ Tailor
Margret Ross Wife 48 b Kilmuir
Lilly Ross 7 Daughter b Fearn
EDIT:
CaroleW's and my post crossed over.
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Lilly's baptism - father ok but not mother
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/X1D9-N8Q
EDIT
Found an 1841 entry for a Peter & Lily Ross - Peter is a lot younger than your Peter Ross
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No christian name but right birthplace etc for Peter
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/X1D9-TPX
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CaroleW.
The un named child born 1802 to David and Janet....
It must be a submitted entry as no child can be baptised without a name
Probably a death of an unbaptised male infant, taken from the Mortcloth and converted to a birth.
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Thanks Ann that could be the right explanation as both birth & baptism date are the same so probably an infant death.
When I first saw it - I didn't notice the dates were the same and initially wondered whether the name was indistinct on the original and could not be deciphered for transcription
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Her signature on the MC isnt Rofs but looks like Roso ?? ::)
You are probably looking at a "long s" which looks like an f and used in the middle of a word. Long f followed by a small s is basically just an old way of writing a double s.
The signature which looks like Roso once again would most likely be meant to be Ross, you have probably misinterpreted the second s as an o. I can see that this could easily happen especially if she was not used to writing her own name (as was often the case) she may not have formed the letter very well.
You can post both examples here if you wish to second some second opinions.
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Moonstar, welcome to the downhill slope!
Ross's are ubiquitous in that neck of the woods, I have some myself. Try a post on these websites, somebody must know your Ross's,
http://www.fearnpeninsula.org.uk/
http://www.tainmuseum.org.uk/
Bests,
Skoosh.
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Skoosh...downhill slope it feels like!! :)
Can I first say many thanks for all the replies and help...
I have spent this evening on Scotlands People and what I have found is this
1841 - Census Peter and Lily with Philip and James aged 6 and 2 respectively He is a tailor This might tie in with Isabella name after mum??
1851 - Census Peter and Margaret (another wife?) with a Lily who is 7 already. He is a tailor.
1861 - Census Peter and Margaret with a Lily who 8 (?? this however would tie with Isabella at 24 in 1876, but not with first Lily..is it poss she died)
Then I found a death for Peter Ross, by his wife Margaret (who was Mackenzie) in October 1870 which gives parents names. However, I cannot read these details properly.
Is it possible that the downhill slope has levelled :)? But why are there 2 lilys and ages are same at each census but ten years apart? Addresses seem to be same all way through...could these be mine???
Can anyone help with reading details on death register? Stat deaths. 1870 081 00 0041
I do hope so..I have waited so long....and how do I check where he might be buried?
:)
Is it possible my Lily lied to her husband and was really 34 not 24???? were there any checks done in those days?? (1876)
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Moonstar, census stuff can be suspect. This site might help,
http://www.scottish-monumental-inscriptions.com/
Skoosh.
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Moonstar, as you know to view records on Scotland's People you need to purchase credits, so it might be helpful if you can post the parts of records you need help to decipher here, so we can all have a look (as you can't expect others to purchase credits to view records of your ancestors) - the 1870 death for example.
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OH! I never meant for anyone to go to that kind of trouble...please forgive me!! :-[
I have been on the other thread where you post such and got a reply which may answer why Isabelle left Scotland...as it shows he died a pauper.
I am just not sure these are the right Ross's...I dont know why but its one of those feelings you get...I'm looking at some other sites on the pages re Ross and Cromarty....but feel quite frustrated as I am never quite sure how or what I am looking at ...so I have set up and account with Familysearch to see where that leads me as I can see that replies have included searches from there... I just dont understand why I can see so much about others and mine seem to lead to nowhere well almost..and dont seem to be able to confirm their actual existence apart from Census which as has already been suggested can be suspect
.....(sorry for the groan here not at you but so desparate to find these people as its that link that will confirm at least one Scottish side of my family and to know they are not far..guess others must feel the same)
Is there another name for Peter in Scots??? wondering if my mother (now deceased, and did a lot of 'remembering' with her before she died)) or grandmother (Isabellas daughter) may have got name in more popular form?
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Just adding the link to this old post for background www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=353620.0
Also, for further info, this link to the deciphering board www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,644849.0.html
Monica :)
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Thanks for that , I knew I had posted some while ago but couldnt see where it was.Will need to reabsorb that again.... some fits now and some doesnt seem to.....
off to have a read and try to get my head round it.... :)
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Peter & Patrick were often interchangeable, MS.
Skoosh.
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Thank you Skoosh.. :)