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Title: Photo's found at carboot sale.
Post by: youngtug on Thursday 25 April 13 15:59 BST (UK)
I found the remnants of a photograph album at a carboot sale and bought them. There are a few of people, some with their names on the back. I think I will post them here and see if anyone claims them.
 Here is number 1; Miss E. Ray.
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Post by: cathaldus on Thursday 25 April 13 16:22 BST (UK)
What a lovely picture and I do like the "little" pocket watch wrapped up in the wrist holder! Just came on to say well done in preserving this bit of history!!  I do hope the family find it!

Bill    ;) ;) ;)
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Post by: youngtug on Thursday 25 April 13 20:50 BST (UK)
Number 2; Mrs, W. Payne
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Post by: youngtug on Thursday 25 April 13 20:54 BST (UK)
Number 3; Miss Rose Rumsey;
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Post by: youngtug on Thursday 25 April 13 20:56 BST (UK)
Number 4;- July 9th 1918.
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Post by: youngtug on Thursday 25 April 13 20:58 BST (UK)
Number 5;-
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Post by: youngtug on Thursday 25 April 13 21:01 BST (UK)
Number 6;-
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Post by: youngtug on Thursday 25 April 13 21:03 BST (UK)
I am afraid that the last three have no names on them, only the date on the first of the three.
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Post by: Mairead.E on Thursday 25 April 13 21:08 BST (UK)
What a lovely find, but sad they're not with the families they belong to.
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Post by: youngtug on Thursday 25 April 13 21:13 BST (UK)
What a lovely picture and I do like the "little" pocket watch wrapped up in the wrist holder! Just came on to say well done in preserving this bit of history!!  I do hope the family find it!

Bill    ;) ;) ;)
I have a photo of my grandmother wearing the same thing
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Post by: mare on Thursday 25 April 13 21:33 BST (UK)
Lovely find YT .... I'm thinking that #2 and #6 could be one and same Mrs Payne ?
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Post by: groom on Thursday 25 April 13 21:36 BST (UK)
According to the 1901 census Rose Rumsey aged 1 month is the daughter of David and Julia Rumsey. David was a general grocer from Malden, Essex and Julia was born in Canterbury. Rose was born in Chatham and in 1901 the family are living at  204, New Road, Chatham.

RG 13 Piece: 728 Folio: 42 Page: 42   
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Post by: mare on Thursday 25 April 13 21:39 BST (UK)
Oh, Well done Jan  :)

I was just going to add that hands and faces match #2 and #6  and pretty sure they're earlier and later images of same lady.
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Post by: youngtug on Thursday 25 April 13 21:41 BST (UK)
204 New Rd, Chatham, Kent. is written on the back of the photo.
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Post by: groom on Thursday 25 April 13 21:51 BST (UK)
204 New Rd, Chatham, Kent. is written on the back of the photo.

Bingo   ;D ;D ;D
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Post by: ggrocott on Thursday 25 April 13 21:59 BST (UK)
Rose Rumsey daughter of David Rumsey and Julia Rye born 12 April 1901 Kent died 1946 Chatham Kent appears in a public tree on A*******.  The tree also shows several members of the Payne family.
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Post by: youngtug on Thursday 25 April 13 22:03 BST (UK)
Wonder if the tree owner frequents RC.
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Post by: youngtug on Thursday 25 April 13 22:04 BST (UK)
Number 7;- H. Rumsey
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Post by: youngtug on Thursday 25 April 13 22:06 BST (UK)
Number 8;- L/Cpl. J.W. Ray. Civil police, Baghdad.
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Post by: ggrocott on Thursday 25 April 13 22:07 BST (UK)
Looking at the tree in question probably Rose's brother Harry born 1896 Chatham, Kent
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Post by: youngtug on Thursday 25 April 13 22:09 BST (UK)
Number 9;- No name or date.
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Post by: youngtug on Thursday 25 April 13 22:11 BST (UK)
Number 10;- On the back it say's; Cpl, Griffin. 10-3-19
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Post by: youngtug on Thursday 25 April 13 22:17 BST (UK)
The last one was on the Maud bridge, Baghdad.
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Post by: mare on Thursday 25 April 13 22:20 BST (UK)
Getting somewhere with Rose and Rumsey 8)


Just a further bit of observation and with the name Ray reappearing again with #8

 :-\ wondering if #1  # 2/6 and  #5  are sisters ... Ray. Noses and ears very similar anyway  :)
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Post by: youngtug on Thursday 25 April 13 22:22 BST (UK)
Number 11;- On the back it say's; No, 1 Katherine Villas. High Street. Edonbridge. Kent
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Post by: msr on Thursday 25 April 13 22:23 BST (UK)
What a find YT, and how wonderful it would be to find the decendants of those photographed.

Certainly need to contact the owner of the tree on Ancestry.
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Post by: youngtug on Thursday 25 April 13 22:23 BST (UK)
Getting somewhere with Rose and Rumsey 8)


Just a further bit of observation and with the name Ray reappearing again with #8

 :-\ wondering if #1  # 2/6 and  #5  are sisters ... Ray. Noses and ears very similar anyway  :)
The album seems to have belonged to L/Cpl. J.W.Ray.
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Post by: groom on Thursday 25 April 13 22:25 BST (UK)
E Ray is Eliza Ann Ray daughter of Annie Martha. Born 1881 she was living at  Gilbridge Chiddingstone in 1911. That is about 4 miles from Leigh.

According to the 1891 she had 3 younger sisters Ellen 1886, Mary A 1888 and Amy 1890.

Amy RAY married William PAYNE  1914 in Tonbridge, Kent
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Post by: youngtug on Thursday 25 April 13 22:25 BST (UK)
Number 12;-
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Post by: mare on Thursday 25 April 13 22:27 BST (UK)
E Ray is Eliza Ann Ray daughter of Annie Martha. Born 1881 she was living at  Gilbridge Chiddingstone in 1911. That is about 4 miles from Leigh.

She had 3 younger sisters Ellen 1886, Mary A 1888 and Amy 1890.

Amy RAY married William PAYNE  1914 in Tonbridge, Kent

aha  ... we are playing bingo  :D
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Post by: groom on Thursday 25 April 13 22:28 BST (UK)
Number 8;- L/Cpl. J.W. Ray. Civil police, Baghdad.

Eliza and Amy's brother JAMES RAY born 1877 Hartfield Sussex.
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Post by: youngtug on Thursday 25 April 13 22:54 BST (UK)
Number 13;-
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Post by: youngtug on Thursday 25 April 13 22:54 BST (UK)
Number 14;-
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Post by: youngtug on Thursday 25 April 13 22:55 BST (UK)
Number 15;-
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Post by: youngtug on Thursday 25 April 13 22:57 BST (UK)
Number 16;-
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Post by: youngtug on Thursday 25 April 13 23:01 BST (UK)
Number 17;-
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Post by: Xinia :) on Thursday 25 April 13 23:07 BST (UK)
what a fantastic find,  I always look - but lately they all seem to being sold by the 'professional booters' at top prices. 


xin
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Post by: groom on Thursday 25 April 13 23:12 BST (UK)
I wonder what the connection is with the Rumsey family? There is a marriage of a Harry RC Rumsey to a Violet K Payne in Sept quarter 1934 in Shoreditch Middlesex, but that seems a bit late.
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Post by: youngtug on Thursday 25 April 13 23:21 BST (UK)
what a fantastic find,  I always look - but lately they all seem to being sold by the 'professional booters' at top prices. 


xin
They cost me 10, along with some others though.
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Post by: candleflame on Thursday 25 April 13 23:25 BST (UK)
I love these for the oufits as well. What do the initiials on the epaulettes of Pic number 6 mean?
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Post by: mofid42 on Thursday 25 April 13 23:34 BST (UK)
WAAC  = Women's Auxilary Army Corp

I have a photo of my grandmother wearing the same uniform from WW1
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Post by: Wiggy on Thursday 25 April 13 23:51 BST (UK)
Brilliant find YT.

Could the lady on the right in #15 be the same as #2 & 6 do you think??

Wiggy   :)
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Post by: youngtug on Thursday 25 April 13 23:55 BST (UK)
I don't think it is Wiggy
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Post by: Ruskie on Friday 26 April 13 00:07 BST (UK)
I have come late to this search but just wanted to say what a fantastic find Youngtug and well done for saving the album, and how satisfying to see such fruitful results!  :)
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Post by: Xinia :) on Friday 26 April 13 00:14 BST (UK)
Well done Young tug
last year i did a similar thing and with the help on here reunited the pics with an American researcher, who was very pleased to have pics of his family.

xin

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Post by: youngtug on Friday 26 April 13 00:43 BST (UK)
I have had a look at the an*****y  tree mention, via Mundia. It looks like a dead end branch for that tree, not the main line. :(
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Post by: youngtug on Friday 26 April 13 13:49 BST (UK)
Number 18;- On the back of the photo it say's Jack. 15-3-19 It also say's L/Cpl,Ray. Baghdad. at the foot of the photo but it is not showing on this scan.
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Post by: youngtug on Friday 26 April 13 13:54 BST (UK)
Number 19;- This one has no nothing to say when and where.
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Post by: msr on Friday 26 April 13 13:59 BST (UK)
Quite a packet you have there YT.

Photo may not have anything to say but I'll bet the guy at the back, wielding the spoon, is waiting for the photo-shoot to finish.  His grub must be getting cold. ;)
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Post by: msr on Friday 26 April 13 14:04 BST (UK)
Perhaps entertainment for injured personnel.  Scouts with song sheets, those in Pierrot costume.
The chap with the monocle could be military doctor and there are certainly injuries apparent.

The chap sitting at the front seems to be missing part of lower leg.
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Post by: youngtug on Friday 26 April 13 14:06 BST (UK)
Also the one with crutches.
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Post by: MaureeninNY on Friday 26 April 13 15:56 BST (UK)
Could be wrong but I think the RAY family are:
John Will RAY  and Mary A S RAY with family in Sevenoaks 1901.

Son John William James RAY-is, I think,on the WW1 Service Records as just John RAY with an Edenbridge address. The age is out but most other things fit.

I believe it was his sister Amy who married William PAYNE.

The other Amy RAY was born Amy Emily Ray and seems to marry Horace Wickenden in Sevenoaks.


Maureen
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Post by: mare on Friday 26 April 13 23:27 BST (UK)
Brilliant find YT.

Could the lady on the right in #15 be the same as #2 & 6 do you think??

Wiggy   :)
I don't think it is Wiggy
No I don't either but think she and the younger woman on end are sisters and are together in #12 as well ... pretty obvious as wearing same outfits too, minus/plus hats ... male companion/husband looks slightly different in both but probably just angle and with/without hat.

(modified post for context)

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Post by: youngtug on Friday 26 April 13 23:57 BST (UK)
OK,,,, On the back of #12 it say's; Fred & *****
                                                   Maud [Freds sister Sybil Earl]our housemaid Ada *****]- parlourmaid
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Post by: youngtug on Saturday 27 April 13 00:01 BST (UK)
On the back of #15 it say's; Mr. Mrs. & Miss Sandford June 3rd 1917.  And on another copy of the same photo it say's; "That is Maud Freds sister with us".
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Post by: mare on Saturday 27 April 13 00:06 BST (UK)
I'll just try and absorb that info  ;)

... also thought that perhaps Nos 9/10 images of same man ... possibly  :-\
( added, don't mean same as in 12/15 )
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Post by: youngtug on Saturday 27 April 13 00:16 BST (UK)
There are several photos in bad condition of different soldiers, very difficult to make out which ones are the same men.
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Post by: mare on Saturday 27 April 13 00:18 BST (UK)
I'll just try and absorb that info  ;)

doesn't help that the way I have the photos I've confused self
... #15 is group of 3 and #12 is group of 5

So the young lady, Maud, is sister of Fred Sandford, not Mrs Sandford ... unless Mrs Sandford  is 'Fred' short for something  :D ... it was the noses and ears again that made me think so

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Post by: Wiggy on Saturday 27 April 13 00:21 BST (UK)
Those men in the photo with the scouts - - -  many are wearing hospital uniform aren't they? - weren't they called hospital blues of something??

Great find YT  - Hope the ray family come on board to see all these great photos!
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Post by: youngtug on Saturday 27 April 13 00:26 BST (UK)
Some of the names I can't make out and the layout of the writing makes it a little dificult to work out who is who on those two photo's mare.  [12&15]
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Post by: mare on Saturday 27 April 13 00:36 BST (UK)
OK,,,, On the back of #12 it say's; Fred & *****
                                                   Maud [Freds sister Sybil Earl]our housemaid Ada *****]- parlourmaid
I'm probably confusing everyone including self here ... so for #12, not sure I understand the bracketing but I'll put the way I interpret it ...

In front we have the Sandfords ..Is the name of Mrs Fred Sandford, seated, not legible? or a questionmark?
and at the back we have Maud Sandford/Fred's sister, Sybil Earl the housemaid  and Ada ? the parlourmaid
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Post by: youngtug on Saturday 27 April 13 00:40 BST (UK)
Couldn't make out the name of Mrs Sandford. Nor can I make out the surname of Ada.
The bracketing is has it appears on the photo, something not correct, 3 brackets?.
But I think it is as you have it.
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Post by: mare on Saturday 27 April 13 01:13 BST (UK)
I'll just try and absorb that info  ;)

doesn't help that the way I have the photos I've confused self
... #15 is group of 3 and #12 is group of 5

So the young lady, Maud, is sister of Fred Sandford, not Mrs Sandford ... unless
 Mrs Sandford is 'Fred'
short for something  :D ... it was the noses and ears again that made me think so
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Obviously that isn't going to work ... unless a Sandford married a Sandford  ::)
Shame we don't have Mrs Sandford's first name, she could be another of the Ray girls
... I did do a quick look for a marriage on freeBMD but didn't spot anything.
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Post by: mare on Saturday 27 April 13 01:17 BST (UK)
Number 18;- On the back of the photo it say's Jack. 15-3-19 It also say's L/Cpl,Ray. Baghdad. at the foot of the photo but it is not showing on this scan.

Very faint image but does compare well with #8
Number 8;- L/Cpl. J.W. Ray. Civil police, Baghdad.

Eliza and Amy's brother JAMES RAY born 1877 Hartfield Sussex.


Son John William James RAY-is, I think,on the WW1 Service Records as just John RAY with an Edenbridge address. The age is out but most other things fit.

I believe it was his sister Amy who married William PAYNE.

Maureen

Jack and John are interchangeable ... James, don't think so :-\
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Post by: MaureeninNY on Saturday 27 April 13 01:47 BST (UK)
Harriet Selina RAY (b 1892)-daughter of John William RAY marries Richard Alfred Astley(that's how it's transcribed on A* but it looks like it starts with an H to me) SANDFORD age 31 Private A.S.C. (M.T.?) father Richard Sandford occ:tin smith.
  3 Jun 1917 at Brondesbury Christ Church (Middlesex) witnesses Sibyl EARL and Maud SANDFORD.

Maureen
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Post by: MaureeninNY on Saturday 27 April 13 03:12 BST (UK)
 :) :) :)
Just noticed the date of the marriage vs the date of the photo.

So it's their wedding day!

Just to note-he seems to have been born as Alfred Richard H SANDFORD.

Father Richard-mother Emma.


Maureen
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Post by: mare on Saturday 27 April 13 03:27 BST (UK)
That's brilliant Maureen ... wedding day so perhaps hence the reference to Mr and Mrs Sandford

Wonder if there are two families of Rays ... with the John v James  :-\  and now Harriet family of John William Ray

not amongst the names already mentioned but may well be more family or cousins 

E Ray is Eliza Ann Ray daughter of Annie Martha. Born 1881 she was living at  Gilbridge Chiddingstone in 1911. That is about 4 miles from Leigh.

She had 3 younger sisters Ellen 1886, Mary A 1888 and Amy 1890.

Amy RAY married William PAYNE  1914 in Tonbridge, Kent


mother Annie Martha

( again modified to clarify )
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Post by: MaureeninNY on Saturday 27 April 13 04:07 BST (UK)
You really had to ask,didn't you,mare? :) :)

I think groom got a little mixed in generations..but same family.

In 1881 James and Annie M RAY have a 13 yr old son John. He's the one who goes on to have the family we're looking at. His family with wife Mary A are:

All born in Sevenoaks Reg District:
RAY
Annie Mary A  1890
Harriet Selina 1892>>>>> married SANDFORD
Amy 1893>>>> married William PAYNE
Edith Caroline 1895
John William J 1897  the L/CPL in B*dad
Frank Charles 1901
Frederick Robert 1903
Ellen Eliza 1904
Marjorie Ethel 1909

Could be more of them but I'm stopping at 1911. :)


Maureen :)
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Post by: mare on Saturday 27 April 13 04:56 BST (UK)
Well done for the sort out ... ;) unmuddled me as an observer/looker-upperer-amateur.

Generations are certainly easy to confuse though, especially when names get repetitive.   
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Post by: mare on Saturday 27 April 13 05:02 BST (UK)
Makes #1 Miss E Ray  :-\  either Ellen Eliza b 1904 or Edith Caroline b 1895 

added ... so I'll say Edith
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Post by: youngtug on Saturday 27 April 13 10:59 BST (UK)
Back of photo #12;
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Post by: youngtug on Saturday 27 April 13 11:00 BST (UK)
Back of photo #15;
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Post by: msr on Saturday 27 April 13 11:20 BST (UK)
They keep on coming YT!    Would be great to find family they belong to, although it's probably family - one branch at least, who threw them out.   House clearance?

Well, I've done the usual and checked out the address on Google Earth, not bad, in fact if that was their house they must have had a bit if money.  It's pretty big.
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Post by: groom on Saturday 27 April 13 11:21 BST (UK)
Thanks for sorting that Maureen - it was done quickly on my part, and late at night.  ;D All we need now is for someone to claim the photos.
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Post by: bugle boy on Saturday 27 April 13 11:40 BST (UK)
I would like to congratulate every member who posted on this thread, for their great detective work,it's really getting exciting and I cant wait to see the next post being posted,it's reading like a best seller mystery novel,and R/C should be proud to say what a great bunch of members it has,I applaud you all.and Wiggy I believe is right in saying it's at some military hospital,as in the back row some of the men are wearing stripes I know one is a lance /corporal  and another a full /corporal.I bet any police force in the world would love to have you all to work on their real old "Cold Case Files" :D
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Post by: mare on Saturday 27 April 13 20:00 BST (UK)
Back of photo #12;
Looks like Harriet shortened to Harry  :)

 :-\ Ada's second name, James ... maybe
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Post by: Treetotal on Monday 20 May 13 13:18 BST (UK)
What a fantastic find YT...thanks for sharing...has anyone contacted the Tree Owner on A****y?
Carol
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Post by: youngtug on Monday 20 May 13 14:29 BST (UK)
Hi Carol, I had a look at the tree mentioned earlier and it is a dead end branch, not the main tree.
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Post by: firthview on Monday 07 April 14 00:48 BST (UK)
This is turning out to be a best seller,cant wait till someone finds a home for them.
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Post by: ShaunJ on Monday 07 April 14 06:48 BST (UK)
Re 33 Mapesbury Road: Mick Jagger, Keith Richards and Andrew Loog Oldham had a flat there in 1963

http://tinyurl.com/o8ku5kh

Circa 1917 there is an S G Kelsey listed there in the phone books
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Post by: ShaunJ on Monday 07 April 14 06:51 BST (UK)
Photo of 33 Mapesbury Road in a book on Beatles sites http://tinyurl.com/os7fnde
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Post by: old rowley on Monday 07 April 14 08:16 BST (UK)
The large group image which includes the scouts is indeed of men wearing hospital blues and I can see at least one who was serving with what looks like the The Prince of Wale's Own (West Yorkshire Regiment) when the image was taken. Also amongst the group are two lance corporal's, one corporal and one sergeant. There is one officer (in uniform) but his rank is not visable. Nice find by the way.
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Post by: niloc12 on Saturday 18 November 17 19:31 GMT (UK)
I found the remnants of a photograph album at a carboot sale and bought them. There are a few of people, some with their names on the back. I think I will post them here and see if anyone claims them.
 Here is number 1; Miss E. Ray.
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Post by: niloc12 on Saturday 18 November 17 19:32 GMT (UK)
Hi,
Do you have any of 'Bloomfield'  photos in the box of photos you bought please?
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Post by: youngtug on Tuesday 21 November 17 18:28 GMT (UK)
Hi,
Do you have any of 'Bloomfield'  photos in the box of photos you bought please?

I'm afraid that the name Bloomfield is in my list of names that I am researching and not anything to do with the photos in this thread.