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Beginners => Family History Beginners Board => Topic started by: MaggieK on Monday 29 April 13 19:38 BST (UK)
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I am trying to find some information about a Laura Mary Daly born 1886 in Bristol, who is cited in 1911 as being an inmate in the Magdalen Asylum. It is possible that she was pregnant when she entered the asylum and if she was what would have happened to the baby once it was born. Do these Convents have a list of babies born, died and adopted, while the inmate was in their care?
Thanks
Maggie
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Maggie, what can I say, except, very likely you will not be able to trace any records for this period of time. There is a lot of history and baggage that come with the Convent of the Good Shepherd, regardless of which convent you are looking at in the UK. Sadly, for this period in this respect, practices were pretty similar.
I am going to add some links from previous posts for guidance and background:
www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,373645.0.html
www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=531329.0
www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,238635.0.html
Probably enough there to give you some idea...
Monica :)
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Thank you for all this information. Seems like a long shot being able to trace an adopted baby from one of these places.
Maggie
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My Grandmother Alice Egan born 1895 was also in the Asylum in the 1911 cencus It is impossible to find out anything She would never talk about the past .Now I know why!!!!!!!!!!
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Hello,
I am very interested in Laura Mary Daly myself and I'm just wondering if you searched this out on your behalf or mine and I have just forgotten? Please let me know because if she is a relative of yours I would love to get in contact with you and compare notes.
Thank you, Jen Daly
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Hello, I thought I would try again to reach out to Maggie from this original post as we seem to have family members in common. Laura Mary Daly (Shepherd) is the family member I am most interested in learning more about specifically the Shepherd marriage. Please reply if you want to connect.
Thank you, Jen Daly
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Hi Jen,
MaggieK has not been on the site since 2015, so is unlikely to respond at this point.
On the bmd indexes (freebmd) I can see a Herbert Shepherd/Shephard marrying a Laura Daly in 1920, Chelsea (London). It looks like two children born, 1920 and 1922. Is this the woman you are looking for?
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Hi There, Yes, that is the marriage I am interested in. I know a lot about the Daly family as I've done extensive research, however, I cannot place which Herbert Shepherd she married and which family he came from. I have all the birth and marriage records from them and their kids but still cannot decipher who is parents are. It seems like Maggie had the Shepherd line and that's why I was hoping she would respond. But thank you for taking the time. Jen
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What information is there on the marriage certificate - his father’s name; their occupations; witnesses?
Do you have a year of birth for him?
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Is this the same Laura Daly - subject of the thread?
The year of birth is different by 10 yrs ???
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Heywood, Yes! That is actually a really good catch! It is the same Laura Mary Daly and yes she did lie about her age. We are not sure why but we know for certain it was her. She died in the London bombings in 1940. Marriage Certificate says: Herbert Shepherd, 22 years old, shoemaker and Cold Stream guards, private no 10426, living in Wimbledon camp, His father is also Herbert Shepherd, Private in East Surrey Regiment. Laura Daly, 23 years (again lie), messenger for the ministry of munitions, living 12 blenheim st. Chelsea, Father William Daly (deceased), Bootmaker. Witnesses Edith M. Onslow and Harry Hammond. Two Chldren: Mary Agnes 26/7/1920. Anthony Herbert 20/4/1922. That's all I have. But cannot find any Herbert Shepherd (father) in census records who was in East Surrey Regiment. I think I have some military records on him but again it doesn't say who he was married too. Jen
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This is the only chap I can find with a connection to the East Surrey Regiment. It is only a medal card so unfortunately does not give any personal details -Herbert James Shepherd.
It would likely be for a person older than your Herbert so perhaps his father :-\
https://discovery.nationalarchives.gov.uk/details/r/D5125854
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Yes, that is the same issue I was having and yes I think that is probably his father but not enough information to say for sure. Thanks for trying! Sometimes fresh eyes are what it takes:)
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Just rereading your information, Herbert James was a Sergeant so maybe not him. He was discharged in 1920.
Was your Herbert a serving soldier on marriage?
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Yes the marriage certificate says occupation is Cold Stream Guards but also shoemaker.
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Also, I just checked the military records....Herbert James have records that say both Sergeant and Private both same regiment #1963.
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Yes the marriage certificate says occupation is Cold Stream Guards but also shoemaker.
I was thinking they were both in East Surrey Regiment - sorry
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Jen, in your searches over the years, have you come across this family? From 1901 www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:X942-Y39 Can't see them yet in 1911.
Herbert Snr's wife was Ellen Bravey. Ellen and Herbert Snr married in Chelsea 1st Qrt 1899 (1a/602). Not sure if Ellen was Herbert Jnr's mother in this family group given the marriage year?
Herbert Jnr's christening was on 5 Oct1900 and showed his birth date as 14 October 1897 which is not far from his birth date on his 1939 entry (24 October 1897).
Herbert Snr's occupation seems to have consistently been that of a waiter.
Herbert Snr's WW1 records that I can see show he had enlisted in the Essex Regiment (#55339) and he demobbed on 26 Feb 1919, he joined the Labour Corps (#698103?) for a short service on 3 June 1919.
May be worth looking at this family a little further? Of course, you may have already done so and discounted them!
Monica
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Thanks Monica! I have not checked them out but I will today. Since he was enlisted in Surrey I'm not sure but I can take a closer look!
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It was the Chelsea connection that also caught my eye. Herbert Snr and family also remained in the local area and you will find them living in the same reg district in Chelsea as Herbert Jrn and wife Laura in later years incl. 1939.
Can't be more definitive for now though :-\
Monica