RootsChat.Com
Ireland (Historical Counties) => Ireland => Sligo => Topic started by: MarkyP on Tuesday 30 April 13 22:24 BST (UK)
-
Hello, just a quick general question if possible?
Where would an Anglican English Coastguard Officer get his children baptised when stationed in Ireland in the 1830-1840s? I'm guessing it wouldn't be at the local RC church, would it be a matter of waiting until he got back to England? This particular officer was stationed at Lacken in County Sligo from 1833 to 1841 and had 4 children while he was out there.
Any help greatly appreciated,
Cheers, Mark.
-
The baptisms probably took place at the local Church of Ireland.
Here's a link to the C. of I. website showing current parishes and churches-
http://www.ireland.anglican.org/index.php?do=information.dioceses
This pay site lists available recordds for C. of I. in Sligo-
http://www.sligoroots.com/sources/church-records/church-of-ireland-records/
-
The Church of Ireland was and still is Anglican. The local CoI is Ballycastle, Co Mayo (part of what is now northern Co Mayo was in Co Sligo until boundary changes in 1899)
http://tuam.anglican.org/killala-parish/ballycastle-church/
-
The Church of Ireland was and still is Anglican. The local CoI is Ballycastle, Co Mayo (part of what is now northern Co Mayo was in Co Sligo until boundary changes in 1899)
http://tuam.anglican.org/killala-parish/ballycastle-church/
Hi,
There was a coastguard at Lacken which was and is County Mayo.
There is a Lackan, Kilglass civil parish, Sligo. I think there may have been a station around there at Dromore West?
However, there would be C of I churches in the wider area as Aghadowey has linked.
Heywood
-
There was a coastguard station located about 6km north east of the town Ballycastle Co. Mayo and in the townland of Moyny. I think this is the one reffered to as Lackan as the ADM175/18 list shows this station as 'Lackin', and between Ballycastle and Kilcummen stations, which fits.
see : CG Station Moyny townland (http://maps.osi.ie/publicviewer/#V1,514236,841267,6,7)
The station closed soon after 1843.
Moyny townland is in a civil parish named Kilbride which in the 1830s was part of a Union with the CofI parish of Doonfeney/Dunfeeny. The parish church seems to have been located in the town of Ballycastle.
-
Hi Shane,
That link doesn't work but is not the one I mean. There was one in Castletown, Beltra area on the edge of Lackan (Lacken) strand but as that was Mayo, it is probably not the one Mark means.
I just posted because of the earlier reference to boundary changes.
Heywood
-
would your Coastguard ancestor be surname Reymond ?
-
Hi Shane,
That link doesn't work but is not the one I mean. There was one in Castletown, Beltra area on the edge of Lackan (Lacken) strand but as that was Mayo, it is probably not the one Mark means.
I just posted because of the earlier reference to boundary changes.
Heywood
see the Beltra you mean now, near Rathlackan and Lackan Strand - I was looking at the wrong one, further east in Co. Sligo.
That's very close to the CG station I mentioned, which even though it's in Mayo is listed in CG records as Sligo, as these are listed by port. (Later records for this part of the coast list the port as Ballina) The district shown for this Lackin/Lacken station is Ballycastle.
-
I was thinking that Mark means Lacken in Kilglass parish, Sligo.
However, as these others were, I suppose, 'sub- stations' perhaps as you say they came under the title of Sligo.
There was also one just around the headland at Kilcummin.
I hope Mark comes back with some clarification., :)
-
would your Coastguard ancestor be surname Reymond ?
Yes it would, well Raymond :-)
I'm doing some research on behalf of someone. I've now actually found one of the baptisms using the one of the links provided, and that was in Donegal. My other question is about burials, given that they probably wouldn't make a long journey to the nearest Anglican church with a dead person (or would they) would they be buried at the nearest church?
Thanks for your help so far.
Mark.
-
Pretty certain that George Reymond/Raymond was in that Lackin/Lackin station near to Ballycastle Co. Mayo. The reference to Sligo in the CG records is the port, rather than the county the station was in.
If I'm following that correct person he was previously posted at Rathlin Island, and before that Greencastle.
-
The coastguard records I have show the station as Lackin, the port as Sligo and the district as Ballycastle. There were 4 baptisms of which I have just found the last one in 1840 and the address given was Teelin West, Kilcar, Co. Donegal.
I'm getting confused now!!!!
Mark.
-
I see on here that he is mentioned in Lacken, Killala - a spot I walk by every time I am in Mayo!
http://www.coastguardsofyesteryear.org/viewpage.php?page_id=141
There are local graveyards on this very interesting site: http://goldenlangan.com/headstones.html
-
.....This particular officer was stationed at Lacken in County Sligo from 1833 to 1841 and had 4 children while he was out there.
....
You might be just before the start of available baptism records though, as I only see baptisms going back to 1842 listed for the parish of Dunfeeny. (The parish is sometimes listed as Ballycastle Co. Mayo, as that's where the parish church was)
There's no mention of historical death/burial records for the parish on the RCB list.
-
If I'm following that correct person he was previously posted at Rathlin Island, and before that Greencastle.
Shane can I ask where you are getting his coastguard records from?
-
...
There were 4 baptisms of which I have just found the last one in 1840 and the address given was Teelin West, Kilcar, Co. Donegal.
...
dont get this part ... what parish is listed for this, are you certain that's the same Raymond family ?
If they lived near Ballycastle Co. Mayo, then I think they would be just too early for available records.
-
...
Shane can I ask where you are getting his coastguard records from?
ADM175 records downloaded from the National Archives (UK)
-
Could it be that his wife visited/ stayed in Donegal for that last child.
I would also add that Killala is close by so could be a possibility.
-
.....There were 4 baptisms of which I have just found the last one in 1840 and the address given was Teelin West, Kilcar, Co. Donegal.
...
Kilcar civil parish is not close to Ballycastle - nearly 200 km by road - see :
Ballycastle (Mayo), Moyny, Sligo, Bundoran, Killybegs to Kilcar Donegal (https://www.google.ie/maps?saddr=Ballycastle,+Mayo&daddr=moyny+to:Sligo+to:bundoran+to:killybegs+to:Kilcar,+Donegal&hl=en&ll=54.383756,-8.753357&spn=0.985292,2.06543&sll=54.709549,-8.719025&sspn=0.244361,0.516357&geocode=FfY9PAMd0Pxw_yl_XirWcSNZSDEwnzGXqccACg%3BFU-6PAMdbcNx_ylPtyHDRiRZSDHGUY2QB-nfhg%3BFQIyPAMdR6p-_ynprnxnteleSDGAczGXqccACg%3BFSZJPwMdUrCB_ylRTxSZFP1eSDHg4zGXqccACg%3BFQqpQQMdzP1-_ymzg78GXRpfSDEQFzKXqccACg%3BFcqfQQMdau98_ykvyU4sFRhfSDEw7zGXqccACg&oq=teelin+&mra=pr&t=m&z=9)
I've seen families sometimes travel to the wife's parish for a baptism, but 200km seems a little further than usual...
-
I stay there on holiday and on a good day I can see Donegal ;)
-
Which number of ADM 175, I've downloaded 16, 17 and 18 and found him in those, have I missed another set of records or am I not looking at the ones I've got properly?
The baptism record I have is for Alfred Raymond and is definitely correct because it gives the names of his parents, George Raymond and Ann Rooker. The main reason I'm looking is because I'm trying to find the death of Ann, George remarried in 1844 and some when between Alfred being born and then Ann has died, they returned to England at the end of 1841 I think.
-
And I'm really confused now :)
-
these are the records for George I found from ADM175 books :
ADM175-17 / Page 350 (of 495)
Station: Dunaff Head (Port 'Derry' / district Carne)
Date of Appt.: 30 Dec 1829
From : London
Name/Quality : Lieut. George Raymond / Chief Officer
Removed: 21 May 1831
Removed to : Greencastle
Reason : 'Request'
ADM175-17 / Page 350
Station: Greencastle
Date of Appt.: 21 May 1831
From : Dunaff Head
Name/Quality : Lieut. Geo. Raymond / Chief Officer
Removed: 27 Aug 1832
Removed to : Rathlin Island
Reason : 'Good of Service'
ADM175-17 / page 360
Station : Rathlin Island
Date of Appt. : 27 Aug 1832
From : Greencastle
Name/Quality : George Raymond / Chief Officer
Date Removed : 6 Nov 1833
Removed to : Lacken
ADM175-18 / Page 259 (of 454)
Station: Lackin
Date of Appt.: 10 Oct 1833
From : C.G.S. Rathlin Island
Name/Quality : Lieut. Geo Reymond / Chief Officer
Removed: 9 Apr .1840[?]
Removed to : T.i.ll.r West[?]
Reason :
cant quite read where he was transferred to - but will have another look later on...
-
....
The main reason I'm looking is because I'm trying to find the death of Ann, George remarried in 1844 and some when between Alfred being born and then Ann has died, they returned to England at the end of 1841 I think.
To look for a possible record of the death you would need to narrow down possible locations - and check availability of death/burial records. There's doesn't seem to be historic death/burial CofI records listed for Ballycastle/Dunfeeny. Transcripts of death/burials for Kilcar CofI parish Donegal are mentioned on RootsIreland. Quite a few parishes in between the two locations in counties Donegal, Sligo and Mayo....
-
....
baptism record I have is for Alfred Raymond and is definitely correct because it gives the names of his parents, George Raymond and Ann Rooker.
.....
just wondering - does the baptism give mother's maiden name ?
The CofI baptisms I've seen (mostly east and south of Ireland), dont have that detail, but they do sometimes have father's occupation...
re my reply #22 (http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,645479.msg4921932.html#msg4921932) above - wonder if his next posting was somewhere in Donegal near to Kilcar parish?
-
found the next entry - the station name was Teillen West, later renamed 'Port Rushine', port of Killybegs.
ADM175-18 / Page 285 (of 454)
Station: Teillen West / 'Port Rushine'
Date of Appt.: 9 Apr 1840
From : C.G.S. Lacken
Name/Quality : Lieut. G Raymond / Chief Officer
Removed: 10 Jun 1841
Removed to : Ballycastle (doesn't say which Ballycastle - Mayo or Down Antrim)
This station looks to have been in the same general area as Kilcar...
-
one more...
ADM175-18 / Page 335 (of 454)
Station: Ballycastle (Co. Down Antrim / Port of Coleraine)
Date of Appt.: 5 Jul 1841
From : C.G.S. Teillen W.
Name/Quality : Lieut. G Raymond / Chief Officer
D./D.D./Removed or Absconded : D (discharged ?)
Removal date : 8 Dec 1841
Removed to : 'Snipe'[?] Cutter
-
It does give the maiden name and also his occupation, Officer of Coastguard.
That's brilliant, thanks for the info. The last entry I'm guessing is removed to Teelin West. He moved there in April 1840 and Alfred was baptised in July 1840. That would narrow down a place of death for Ann as it looks like that would have been his last posting before he returned to England. What would be the nearest Anglican church to Kilcar, unfortunately the baptism record of Alfred frustratingly doesn't mention the name of the church?
-
Ok, so also looking at Ballycastle in Co. Down as a possible burial place for Ann?
-
....
What would be the nearest Anglican church to Kilcar, unfortunately the baptism record of Alfred frustratingly doesn't mention the name of the church?
RC and CofI records are kept by parish - so historic records for the CofI parish of Kilcar is what you would need - see Reply #23
-
PRONI seem to have records for Kilcar CofI parish - film reference MIC/1/191
-
This is brilliant stuff, thanks very much Shane.
So just to reiterate, Ann could have died in Kilcar, Co. Donegal or Ballycastle in Co. Down if she died in Ireland. I'll have a look at the PRONI site as well, they'll probably have the records for Co. Down as well.
-
you have to visit PRONI to view the records - the dont have any parish records online that I know of.
It looks like the civil parish for Ballycastle is Ramoan - possibly also the name of the CofI parish
sorry - dont know why I said Co. Down, Ballycastle is in Co. Antrim ... (I've been there so should know)
-
...
Removal date : 8 Dec 1841
Removed to : 'Snipe'[?] Cutter
one more detail.... the ship was the cutter Snipe, and George was later commander of the ship
Name : Snipe
Type : Cutter
Launched : 28 June 1828
Hull : Wooden
Propulsion : Sail
Builders measure : 122 tons
Guns : 6
Fate :1860
9 March 1839 Commanded by Lieutenant commander Thomas Baldock, off the coast of Ireland
31 May 1843 Commanded by Lieutenant commander George Raymond, particular service
see : http://www.pdavis.nl/ShowShip.php?id=2087
also some details of George given on that same website :
George Raymond R.N.
Born 6 November 1795, St Mathew, Bethnal Green, Middlesex
Died 22 October 1866, Abingdon, Berkshire
Ranks :
11 March 1807 Entered Navy
17 February 1815 Lieutenant
9 January 1854 Retired Commander
Service :
15 April 1842 Lieutenant commander in Spy, west coast of Africa
31 May 1843 Lieutenant commander in Snipe, particular service
11 January 1848 Lieutenant commander in Onyx, Dover
see : http://www.pdavis.nl/ShowBiog.php?id=508