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Thought this might be of interest ~
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-22432171
So, we either stay with what we have or start thinking of subs.
Gadget
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The website says "Adobe is introducing a subscription model for many of its most popular programs, including Photoshop and Dreamweaver"
It talks about Adobe Creative Suite, which is much more than most people have / use.
It doesn't mention that which most people use -Adobe Acrobat - which is already at Ver 8 or higher.
I didn't think Photoshop had ever been free?
Dawn M
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Hi Dawn
I (and the BBC article) was referring to the Graphic programs/suites as this Board (Resources, Tips and Tutorials) is a child board of the Photo Board.
Adobe Acrobat reader (still free!) is a separate product and not really for photos. It is already up to XI - well, it is on my machines!
Photoshop has never been free - no one said it ever was.
Gadget
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Thin end of the wedge Gadget.
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Everyone wants to make money out of us, Jim :-\
Should I stick to CS3 (very happy with and Pels reckons it's all we need) or go the subscription route to CS6 (Polldoll likes it) and ( I think) Sarah is sticking with CS5 :-\
What have you got?
Me
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Thanks for that Gadget, its the way many software companies are heading. Microsoft muted the idea ages ago. http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-21247688
The way I see it, a monthly fee for 36 months is about the same price as buying the full package. Most professionals would be looking at updating their software around that time anyway, so infact its a way of buying very expensive software that you perhaps you wouldn't be able to afford otherwise.
I still have CS3 too but my daughter is playing with the latest full creative suite at work. I can't see myself upgrading unless I do more artwork.
Jenny
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I have Creative Suite but CS2-4 is more than enough for what we do.
I think the subscriptions are aimed more at professionals who tend to stick with what they've got & only upgrade when the have to often leapfrogging a couple of releases.
I can see this way being better for them & the software manufacturers which is what it's all about.
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Hi Dawn
I (and the BBC article) was referring to the Graphic programs/suites as this Board (Resources, Tips and Tutorials) is a child board of the Photo Board.
Adobe Acrobat reader (still free!) is a separate product and not really for photos. It is already up to XI - well, it is on my machines!
Photoshop has never been free - no one said it ever was.
Gadget
That was my point !
Dawn M
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I'm staying with adobe photoshop elements 9..it has everything I need and I keep finding new ways to work tools that aren't shown in tutorials,etc.. by experimenting..I'm getting very inventive and creative with tools and I know there's a lot more hidden features to be found..I'm still trying to figure out how to install an FFT filter plugin.. ::)
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I'm still trying to figure out how to install an FFT filter plugin.
Copy & paste the plug-in file to this location.In your case it will be Elememts 9 instead of CS4
Program Files>Adobe>Adobe Photoshop CS4>Plug-Ins
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Well I'm still in the dark ages using Photoshop Elements 8 and at the moment, for various reasons, I cannot justify an upgrade to something else. Hardly surprising that it takes me ages to restore anything, but I still enjoy using it and like tommi I'm contunually finding new ways of doing things.
No doubt this news has implications for my daughter and her business though. :-\
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Nothing wrong with Elements Maggie, I started on 5 then jumped to 9... there are only a few small extras but I still prefer the style of Elements 5! The only real drawback I can see for restorers using Elements over the full CS package is that you can't access the colour channels in the same way. If my memory serves me correctly, you need the colour channels to utilise the FFT filter, I've certainly only ever used it in CS3.
ps. you can also utilise the colour channels with paintshop pro, which is alot cheaper ;D
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y. If my memory serves me correctly, you need the colour channels to utilise the FFT filter, I've certainly only ever used it in CS3.
ps. you can also utilise the colour channels with paintshop pro, which is alot cheaper ;D
Yep - you have to just use the Red channel when you're painting over the light bits and then turn back on to apply the inverse!
I still like PSP for some things - I started with an early version, then 7 and I now use XI for some things.
My very old (11 years) desktop in Scotland couldn't cope with CS2, let alone 3 so I used CS1 (?) and PSP 7 for ages - some of my early restores/colour on here were done with that or very early Elements.
Now I have a laptop with lots of power so I take that up.
Gadget
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An encouraging reply for me jc ;D
As yet I'm only an occasional colour user so perhaps PS 8 will suit me for a while longer. Also, and perhaps I'm a bit strange in this, I do enjoy the therapeautic challenge in revovating and cleaning up a photo in a long-winded way rather than coming to rely on filters for ironing out defects, although more and more I find I'm 'discovering' them, and other ways of tweeking the original.
Everyone has a different approach and this is what makes for such a rich variety in the interpretations posted. Gradually I'm learning how to achieve certain effects but my own approach is to try to keep as close to the original as possible. :)
Red post ...... Hi Gadget :)
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I've been trying to find Jenny's thread where she gives the link to how to use FFT but can't find it. Here's the link anyway:
http://retouchpro.com/tutorials/?m=show&id=185
Gadget
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I've tried this FFT filter but can't get on with it at all.
The latest versions requires one to sell one's soul to the Devil before you can download it.
jim
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It sometimes works and other times it makes little difference. I've had mine for yonks - didn't know they now bled you for it :o
Will go looking for one that I used it on and report back ;D
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I've tried this FFT filter but can't get on with it at all.
The latest versions requires one to sell one's soul to the Devil before you can download it.
jim
Well I'll not be trying it then.
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Yep, thats the one Gadget, and yes I saved the filters onto my backup drive just incase I couldn't find them again. Seems like it was a good idea now! ::)
Sometimes the FFT filter works great and sometimes it doesn't and I've found it takes patience (something I lack on occassion ::) ;D) One tip that does help is to mount the photo image onto a larger background so that when you go through all the steps, all areas of the photo image are treated, for some reason the FFT filter doesn't work all the way to the edges and this gets round the problem :-\
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Found a couple of versions that I did using FFT (at lots else) - on this thread:
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,643535.0.html
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Hi Maggie,
Using the colour channels has nothing to do with colouring a photo. Each Pixel is made up of Red, Green and Blue channels, we are used to seeing the term RGB which is just the term for all 3 colours mixed together. Even a black and white or sepia photo has the RGB channels. Hence we complain when we are sent a scanned copy or image where the colour was stripped away in a previous saving, all the extra RGB info has been lost :( Trying to put colour back into one of these images doesn't work well.
If you are presented with an extremely faded or damaged image (think water damage), by viewing the jpg through the different channels, you can sometimes pick out alot more detail and even remove alot of the damage which saves loads of restoration time. Then you can get on with the task of repairing the rest of the photo. Great for sepia or black and white photos but a tricker to do with colour ones.
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Thank you jc for that explanation - I'm a bit of an ignoramus aren't I? ::)
I understand the concept of RGB channels being present even in black & whites but I have never used the different channels as a means of aiding restoration. I must read and try to understand that tutorial.
I have a lot to learn and not enough time to learn it in. :(
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No worries Maggie, if you get an opportunity, just play with the channels and levels to see what happens. In elements, select levels, you can select the different colour range from there and play around though its easier in the full CS program.
I gave a fuller explanation just in case someone who doesn't understand pixels read the thread. The direct answer wouldn't have made much sense to them and I didn't want anyone to think we (the restorers) are beyond approach ;D. Not that I have done any restores for a while.
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I'm fiddling with the levels even as I speak ;D
I've been here before but not really given it my full attention. I do have quite a good PS manual which helps and I do know where to come to if and when I get stuck ;). And there are always the tutorials of course.
Thanks again.
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I'm still trying to figure out how to install an FFT filter plugin.
Copy & paste the plug-in file to this location.In your case it will be Elememts 9 instead of CS4
Program Files>Adobe>Adobe Photoshop CS4>Plug-Ins
Thanks for the info Jim..I'll see if I can sort this out now with your help..you're a wealth of information !
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Hi Tommy
I think you might have overlooked Jenny's message - it looks as it Elements doesn't allow for channels and FFT needs you to be able to access Channels :-\
The only real drawback I can see for restorers using Elements over the full CS package is that you can't access the colour channels in the same way. If my memory serves me correctly, you need the colour channels to utilise the FFT filter, I've certainly only ever used it in CS3.
ps. you can also utilise the colour channels with paintshop pro, which is alot cheaper ;D
Gadget
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Hi Tommy
I think you might have overlooked Jenny's message - it looks as it Elements doesn't allow for channels and FFT needs you to be able to access Channels :-\
The only real drawback I can see for restorers using Elements over the full CS package is that you can't access the colour channels in the same way. If my memory serves me correctly, you need the colour channels to utilise the FFT filter, I've certainly only ever used it in CS3.
ps. you can also utilise the colour channels with paintshop pro, which is alot cheaper ;D
Gadget
Thanks Gadget...I was reading thru the posts after Jims ..I have found other ways to achive the same results..Regards, Tommy
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Hi Tommy
Would be interested to know how you've got around it as it's a very difficult to get rid of.
Gadget
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Hi Tommy
Would be interested to know how you've got around it as it's a very difficult to get rid of.
Gadget
Hi Gadget..in elements 9..I duplicate layer in normal mode in layers panel-go to filter-noise-median- then set it for 1-5 depending on severeity the repeated pattern( such as newspaper dots, heavy texture etc )- then I go back to layers panel and click on opacity level and slide bar left to fine tune the amount of the median effect..then I right click on that layer and either merge down or flatten image.. I had read it gave similar results as an fft filter.also when I googled fft filters for elements 9 it does show an fft plugin can be done with elements..but any of those free addons I avoid because they come with some sort of downside such as wanting to control what search engine I use and many other extra features I don't want just to download someone elses plugin.. also I sometimes use this effect in the luminosity mode as seems to be the topmost layer and doesn't disturb lower layers.. I can see the difference between modes normal and luminosity when I use the median noise reduction..Regards, Tommy