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Hi
I am looking for an Edward Atkins born between 1807 and 1813 in Gloucestershire, father named Joseph.
Also an Edwin Atkins father Joseph born from 1810 and 1812 in Gloucestershire. Arrested in Cubberly (Coberly?) and convicted in Gloucester.
Edwin was transported to NSW in 1830 for 7 years, whilst Edward turned up in South Australia in 1839 and we are trying to establish if they are one and the same person. Sorry I don't have more detail as to location or years.
A list of any possible matches for either of the above born in the county would be a great help.
thank you
KJ
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Hi KJ,
The Gloucestershire Family History Society (GFHS) Baptism Index only records baptisms in Gloucestershire 1813-1837, and neither Edward or Edwin are recorded.
A check of the GFHS Marriage Index 1800-1837 records a marriage of a Joseph ATKINS to Ann HAINES at Cirencester on 14th August 1809, by Banns. This could be Edward/Edwin's parents. Interestingly, Coberley is about halfway between Cirencester and Cheltenham.
Unfortunately I am taking a time-out from lookups at the Gloucestershire Archives (GA) for 2 weeks, but if you wish, on my return, I will check the Cirencester & Coberley Parish Records (PRs) at GA and get back to you.
Victor
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That would be great Victor. There is no hurry, we have been searching for our Edward for a few years now and another couple of weeks will make no difference.
Thanks
KJ
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Hi KJ,
Source: Glos Archives (GA) PFC 86 IN 1/3 2, St John the Baptist, Cirencester, Christenings, 1802-1812:-
01/07/1810, Charles, son of Joseph & Sarah ATKINS baptised. Born 12/06/1810.
05/04/1811, Rebecca, dau of Joseph & Sarah ATKINS baptised. Born 05/01/1811.
23/02/1812, Henry Edwin, son of Joseph & Sarah ATKINS baptised. Born 22/01/1812.
Victor
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I have quite a bit of information as part of my own ancestry on Edward Atkins and Edwin Atkins. Edward Atkins was transported to Australia although we believe him to be Henry Edwin Atkins given the rest of the information that we have.
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? From the website headed: The convict factor is raised again for Edward ATKINS -
'This was raised some time ago when an Edward/Edwin ATKINS was found in New South Wales convict Muster and later recorded as working at Yas Plains.
Edward ATKINS 1830 Florentia (on convict muster record but not transcribed to ship record) 24 y Gloucester, compared to
Edwin ATKINS 1830 Florentia (transcribed to ship record) 19 y from Yas Plains etc etc
The Certificate of Freedom Report on Edwin/Edward ATKINS says he has
dark grey eyes
sandy hair
a ruddy-freckled complextion
eyebrows meeting
5 ft 7.5 inches tall
tatoo HEA on his right inside wrist'
and appears to be a blacksmith
Just to-recap, Henry Edwin ATKINS christened at Cirencester 23 February 1812
Siblings: **: Charles 1810: Rebecca 1811: (parents: Joseph & Ann)
Joseph ATKINS married an Ann HAINES in 1809 -
1841 census, Cheltenham
Ancestry: ALKINS)
Joseph - 50 Shoemaker
Ann - 50
David - 15
Marian (Mary Ann)
Eliza - 10*** Christened at Charlton Kings, Gloucestershire
Eliza, daughter of Joseph (Shoemaker) and Ann - christened 28 February 1830 aged 5 m - (born 28 September 1829)
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This is the 1851 Census for Charlton Kings, Gloucestershire
Ancestry, spelt as ALBIN
ALBIN
Joseph - 67 - Shoemaker & Chelsea Pensioner, born Glos Cirencester
Anne - 65 - born Glos Cirencester
Mary A - 25 - daughter born Glos Cirencester
Eliza - 20 - daughter, born Birlingham (BIRMINGHAM, Worcestersh)
*** Will check for records on National Archives for Joseph ATKINS, Chelsea Pensioner)
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The Gloucester Prison Records on Ancestry for Gloucestershire
describes Edwin ATKINS
Light brown hair
dark blue eyes
fair complexion
long face
6 small moles on his forehead
6 small moles on right cheek
a small mole near right armpit
3 small moles left arm
2 moles on his back
3 moles on the back of his neck
read and write
blacksmith, Height 5' 7"
(The man also on the same charge was William WALKER aged 42, also from Cubberley, he had dark sandy hair and was 5-6")
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New South Wales Australia Convict Indents
Edwin ATKINS
Civil Gloucester: 7 April 1830
Arrival Sydney Cove,: 17 December 1830
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Ancestry:
Gloucestershire, England, Prison Records,
Against the following Sentence of death has been recorded
Edwin ATKINS, Civil Gloucester, 7 April 1830
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Checking on the National Archives and can be downloaded from FindmyPast
Joseph ATKINS, born Cirencester, Gloucestershire
Servied in 66th Foot Regiment
Reference: WS 121/88/183
Served in 66th Foot Regiment, Discharged aged 20 after 5 years 2 months of service
Date: 1808
Held by: The National Archives, Kew
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Yes, I have this information on my blog site, Finding Charlie Ross.
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http://roslyn-ross.blogspot.com.au/2014/01/henry-edwin-atkins-and-our-edward.html
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As Edward/Edwin ATKINS was a Blacksmith (skilled trade) he probably served an apprenticeship and quoting from the Gloucestershire Archives, Apprentice Records, this would usually begin between the ages of 10 and 14 (lasting for 7 years). Ancestry records, only go up to 1812. (UK Register of Duties Paid for Apprentices' Indentures 1710-1811)
An indenture is a legal document drawn up as an an agreement between the master and parents or guardians of the child. I have found a few of my Ancestors records and their Apprentices in Gloucestershire.
City of Gloucester Corporation Records
Ref: GBR/C/10/4 Aprentice register 1765-1834
A Calendar of the Registers of the Apprentices of the City of Gloucester 1700-1834, edited by Jill Barlow.
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Yes, thank you for the information on apprenticeships. I did pay a researcher on the ground to look into this and got the same answer.
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I am hoping to access an original family photo of Edward Atkins in 1860 and see if the eyebrows meet and if there is any sign of moles on his face. Fingers crossed. Edward Atkins married Hannah McLeod, in Adelaide in 1843. They had the following children -
Henry Edward born 1843
· Jane McKinnon nee Atkins 1845
· Margaret Newberry nee Atkins 1847
· Ann Pole nee Atkins 1847 (perhaps 1849)
· Sarah Stacey nee Atkins 1850
· Joseph Atkins born 1851
Emily Puddy nee Atkins 1854
Hannah died, or so we presume, and in 1857 Edward married my ancestor, Elizabeth Mashford (nee Lewis) and they had three children::
Elizabeth
Mary (Polly)
James Haynes
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Edwin/Edward :
My x Grandfather christened Edwin 1832 in Gloucestershire - also went by the name Edward. We have family members who were also in Cirencester at this time and in the 18th century.
Assume you have the Will of Thomas HAINES 21 February 1827, Cirencester, Labourer who mentions his late daughter Jane BROWN and his other daughters Hannah IVIN and Ann ATKINS - Grand-daughter Maria MORGAN (living with him) and son James HAINES.
Thomas seems comfortably off, but as regards Ann ATKINS, ..... 'and I further direct that the share of my said Daughter Ann ATKINS may be paid into her own hands by my Executors Indpendent of her husband for the time being, who shall not intermeddle, therewith, neither shall the same be subject to his Debts Control Interference or Engagement etc. etc.'
(Possibly Joseph & Ann ATKINS disappeared for a while up to Birmingham because of his debts etc)
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Thomas HAINES (Under Sexton) buried at Cirencester 16 April 1827 aged 83
Jane HAINES - buried at Cirencester 29 March 1820 aged 77
Thomas HAINES married Jane HARBET - 2 November 1767, Cirencester
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By Googling: Thomas Haines, Labourer, Cirencester
under the heading:
Cirencester 1540-1945 July 2017 Draft Victoria County History
On page numbered 29
Under Vestry Clerk & Sexton
' STEVENS kept detailed from 1775 of money taken for burials and more intermittently for ringing of the church bells. He paid a deputy THOMAS HAINES for jobs including dressing the church and cleaning the Chancel'
1841 Census, Cirencester, Cricklade Street
James HAINES - 70 Cordwainer
Mary HAINES - 66
Thomas BROWN - 82, Tailor
On the 1830 Pigots Directory for Gloucestershire (Cirencester)
James HAYNES, Boot & Shoe Maker : Dyer Street
Our family are on this directory in Dyer Street
? Joseph ATKINS may have worked for James
(and 11 Blacksmiths listed)
Still a shopping street today.
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Thank you for that. No, I do not have a copy of the will.
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UK Poll Books and Electoral Register
1853
James HAINES Jnr. Freehold Houses, Cricklade Street
Thomas HAINS - place of Abode, Hatherop - Freehold House - Cricklade Street
1861 Census, Glos. Cirencester
James HAINES - Head 53 - Under Sexton - born Cirencester
Ann HAINES - daughter 21 - unmarried born Cirencester
James followed his Grandfather as Under Sexton at St Mary's Cirencester
1841 Census, Dyer Ward : District 1
HAINES
James - 35 Shoemaker
Ann - 33
William - 8
Emily - 5
Ann - 3
1851 Census, Cirencester (Ancestry listed as HARRIES)
James - Under Sexton
Elizabeth - wife
William - son
Emily - Milliner Apprentice
Ann -
(ages crossed through)
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Thank you again. What is your ancestral connection to the Atkins family? I take it you found my blog and have read what I have found?