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Ireland (Historical Counties) => Ireland => Wexford => Topic started by: atmartinas on Wednesday 08 May 13 21:22 BST (UK)
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Coolatrimble is the home address of a Nicholas Roche who erected a headstone in memory of his son Patrick Roche 1841 in Castleellis old graveyard, Co Wexford. I have Roche family in this area at the time, no Nicholas that I know of but I have lots of gaps, I tried to find the place with no luck. If anyone knows where it is I would be grateful.
Thanks
M
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could it be Coolatrindle ?
civil parish Kiltrisk, Gorey Poor law union
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Thanks Shane but I don't think so, I could read 'Coola....ble' clearly, I could not read the middle letters but I also checked on Cantwell's memorials and he has 'Coolatrimble'. I am from the locality and have asked a variety of people as well as searching online don't think it exists today.
M
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the townland of Coolatrindle is just 16 km north-east of Castleellis
the Irish is Cúil an Triondaill
It's the only townland I can see in Co. Wexford that fits a co*l*tr* wildcard search
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It is in the right locality, I suppose the stone mason may have just written what he heard ??? and Coolatrindle does sound like Coolatrimble. On second thoughts I will go with that and see if it leads to anything. Before they lived in the Castleellis area they lived in Killeagh which is about half way to the Coolatrindle that you found. My aunt did a lot of research in the 80's and has indicated in her notes that she knew that there were more in family but never filled in any information, she left spaces for two males in the family and this Nicholas might just fill one gap.
I will look a bit further north ;)
Thanks again,
M
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Spelling was not standardised and it's not at all uncommon to find such spelling variations for a townland.
To give you a similar example, there's a townland in County Londonderry called Ballylintagh or Ballynunta.
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Yes thanks Aghadowey. I guess I have been lucky with placenames till now. Not so with surmanes my family spelled them however they pleased but I am not really one to judge I use the O' that is on my husbands birthcert even though he has never used it himself. ;D ;D
M
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it's indexed on the Tithes as Collatrindle, but on the page it's Coolatrindle. No Roche's holding property at that time
see : Collatrindle, Kiltrisk Civil Parish (http://titheapplotmentbooks.nationalarchives.ie/search/tab/results.jsp?county=Wexford&parish=Kiltrisk&townland=Collatrindle&search=Search)
As aghadowey mentioned, variations, not just in spelling but also in how place names sounded were common, so expect that's the case here The only other reference I've seen to that spelling with the 'b' seems to be an extract of Cantwells - so possibly even a mistake or 'typo' on that headstone is the origins of this.
My guess is the townland name was based on an older Irish name, which might help establishing possible variations. Unfortunately there's only basic details for the townland on the Placename database (http://www.logainm.ie/) (they often note variations for the placenames located in various historic documents).
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Thanks Shane, the link you put to the placenames database is really useful I hadn't seen that site. I am a novice with using the internet but I did start my family history interest and searching in the 80's but left it as I found it so hard to keep track of and then I moved abroad. I am back in Ireland and have renewed my efforts and am amazed at how much can be done on-line and all the help I have had on here ;)
I am well and truly convinced now that the stonemason just wrote what he heard, the 'b' is one of the clearest letters on the headstone. I had checked Griffiths for Roches in Coolatrindle but found none. I will still check the graveyards around there as I said I know the family were north of Blackwater on the kilmuckridge side before they moved to near Castleellis but I believe that was early 1800's. I can't find much documentary evidence but my Aunt remembers my Grandad telling her and I did find my ggrandad and his brother baptised in Blackwater but I don't believe they were still living there then. I couldn't find a family grave in Ballyvaldon. I might have more luck around Kilmuckridge area, they may not be legible now so I will go to library to see what Cantwell found.
Thanks again
M
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I just found it and has taken me hours! I have been looking for the Johnsons of Coolatrindle, Co. Wexford and just found Coolatrindle Kilmuckridge, Gorey. I have attached a map showing how close it is to Wells and the Wells house where Janis and I (two separate Johnson searchers) found Johnsons selling property in Tomgarrow to the Doyne Estate (Wells House) and Now I finally found the place where I have found both an eleanor Johnson widow (loyalist compensations) and a william Johnson who was part of St. Mogal's Church Ballicanew. I have attached a google map with places to see. I am excited.
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Hi Daganta,
You have had more luck than me, I have not been able yet to find any positive link for my Roches in the area.
Did you click on Shanes link in reply #7 above to the Tithe Applotment books it shows a Thos Johnson in Coolatrindle.
M
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Actually no luck at all :'( I found a family of Scallians/Scallans in the Ballysheen/Carne area with the right husband/wife (Scallian/Doyle) names but their son born same year was William not andrew (of Halifax Nova Scotia). I also have not been able to find the Johnsons who arrived in Halifax from
wexford around 1801 (after rebellion) with money, who were so closely linked with this Andrew Scallian. A Johnson cousin had y-dna test results analyzed by Tyrone Bowes of IrishOrigenes.com and found his closest matches were SCALLANs so my 13 year hunch paid off but he was also connected to Browns and the area that has Browns/Johnsons/Scallans is in the Brownstown/castle area and smack in the middle of these two areas is ADAMSTOWN where I tracked some Doyles from PEI who were at Andrew Scallians marriage ceremony in 1820 Halifax.
The only reason I was searching for Coolatrendle and all it's varients is because this johnson arrived with money (no townland locations for either the scallians or johnsons just wexford) and the rumors handed down that william may have married his dead brother's widow nothing lines up. I have had the loyalist compensation list wherei found Elinor Johnson WIDOW of Coolatrendle and that name was supposed to be this missing wife's name. So frustrating dealing with all their secrets!