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Wales (Counties as in 1851-1901) => Wales => Pembrokeshire => Topic started by: owensmanc on Thursday 09 May 13 00:54 BST (UK)
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I am trying to locate the grave of John Thomas Owens, who I believe died in Pembroke on 9 February 1905. The date of death is from the probate record.
I have tried the Pembrokeshire County Council Burial Record Search, but he does not appear to be listed.
Can anyone help?
Thank you.
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Hello owensmanc
Welcome to Rootschat :)
Is this your John ?
John Thomas Owens
Buried at Pembroke,St Marys
12 Feb 1905,aged 64
Address,11,St Thomas Street
Kind Regards
omega
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Thanks for replying Omega
That's the correct John Thomas Owens. Are you saying he is buried in the churchyard at St Marys?
I thought they stopped burying people there from the mid 1800's? Am I wrong?
Thank you.
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Currently in cancer ward. I have photographed and researched all headstones and memorials for Pembroke and monkton. If your person of interest had a headstone it no longer exists. By 1905 all burials are in the cemetery for st Mary at llanion unless they had family plot attack park street or st Michael. When I get out will do further research for you.
Owen ap benfro
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Hello owensmanc
Looking again,at the top of the page its clearly Burials,Pembroke,St Marys.There are other names on the page.
Kind regards
omega
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Hello owenmanc
I have had a Personal Message from Orielbenfo & he ask me to please pass on the following message to you.
It is lightly that the person is Buried at St Daniel`s which comes under St Mary`s Register.Even more so as he was from Orange Gardens.
I can suggest more when I get home
Oriel is going to be in Hospital for a long time & Wish him a speedy recoverery.
Kind Regards
omega
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I am trying to locate the grave of John Thomas Owens, who I believe died in Pembroke on 9 February 1905. The date of death is from the probate record.
I have tried the Pembrokeshire County Council Burial Record Search, but he does not appear to be listed.
Can anyone help?
Thank you.
A John Thomas Owens had 2 children baptised at Pembroke St Mary they are
01 Sep 1892 William Henry to John Thomas & Mary Anne Owens of Ornage Gardens a Postman baptized by D.W. Jenkins
21 Jun 1894 John Thomas to John Thomas & Mary Ann Owens of Orange Gardens a Postman D.W. Jenkins.
There are a possible number of others that just might fit somehow ;
02 Aug 1871 Eliza to John 7 Jennet Owens of Ornages Gardens a Labr in the Dockyard
02 Aug 1871 John Thomas to John & Jennet Owens of Orange Gardens a Labr in the Dockyard
06 Aug 1873 Henry to John & Jennet Owens of Orange Gardens a Labr in the Dockyard
17 Jan 1878 Matilda Hughes to John & Jennett Owens of Ornage Gardens a LAbr in the Dockyard (Bapt at St Michael during renovations to St Mary)
18 Jan 1878 Margaret to John & Jennett Owens of Orange Gardens a Labr in the Dockyard (Bapt at St Michael during renovations to St Mary)
03 Oct 1879 Charles to John Thomas & Jeneat Owens of Orange Gardens a hammerman at the Dockyard, baptized by C. W. Coddington
Pembs St Mary Mrge
12 Dec 1890 John Thomas Owens aged 22 a bach and postman of Thomas Street Ornage Gardens the son of John Thomas Owens a Hammerman mrd Mary Ann Harries aged 26 a spoinster of Croft House Tenby the daughter of Thomas Harries a labourer by banns in front of D.W. Jenjins. Both Signed their names in the presence of Jenny Harries and
Pembroke St Mary Burial Register entries 1883 to 1913
Ann Owen of 11 Owen street Ornage Gardens buried 26 Dec 1911 aged 66 by T. Angel
David Owen of Main Street buried 24 Mar 1892 aged 54 by D.W. Jenkins
Charles Seymour Owens of 11 Thomas Street Ornage Gardens buried 14 Apr 1908 aged 18 mthc by C Hayward Phillips.
Elizabeth Owens of Orange Gardens buried 25 May 1883 aged 23 months by W. Jones
John Thomas Owens of 11 thomas Street buried 12 Feb 1905 aged 64 yrs by J. Austin
Lily Owens of Orange Gardens buried 30 Jan 1913 aged 03 days by J. Howell
Stanley John Owens of 11 thomas Street Orange Gardens buried 01 aug 1908 aged 16 days by C. Haywood Phillips
Thomas Orwens of Mansel Street (that’s Orange Gardens) buried 10 May 1920 aged 51 by Evens Thomas
Pembroke St Michael Baptism Register
25 Jan 1893 Martha to John & Mary Ann Owen of Kingsbridge a blacksmith by W. Jenkins
25 May 1862 Henry Thomas to John & Mennet Owens of the Eastend a labr by J.H. Horrox
17 Apr 1864 Mary Jane to John & Janeet Owens of the Eastend a labr by D.W. Morris
07 Jun 1889 William John to John 7 Mary Anne Owens of Welll Hill a blacksmith by D.R. Parry-Davies
14 Mar 1894 Edward George to John & Mary Anne Owens Eastend blacksmith by J.j. Andrews.
Turning to burial’s, normally St Mary’s takes place at Llanion after about 1868 with the act of closure of inner town churchyards and the into of out of town all faith cemeteries such as Llanion, St Michael and Monkton Cemeteries. Park St P.D. also closed circa 1868, however if you had family plot then burial continued until 1910, the same can be said for burials in the church yard at St Michaels after the 1807’s.
St Daniels for what ever reason is totally different. St Daniels never had any registers of Bapt Mrge or Burial and came under St Mary’s, although there is the odd reference that can be x/ref’d at St Michael’s for whatever unknown reason.
St Daniels is not and never have been covered by the P.C.C. database, this also goes for other areas of churchyards and cemeteries in the county responsibility of the P.C.C., but are not included (Narberth old lower churchyard comes to mind). I have frought my through the bracken, brambles and thorns of St Daniels on a number of occasions whichout any get success.
I have completed the research of Monkton St Nicholas Memorials and Headstones, but alas can find no reference that may assist your research.
I am also in the midst of trying to compile the history of the remaining headstones of St Michael and St Mary, but alas no results can be found to be of assistance.
Rgds
Owen Ap Benfro
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Currently in cancer ward. I have photographed and researched all headstones and memorials for Pembroke and monkton. If your person of interest had a headstone it no longer exists. By 1905 all burials are in the cemetery for st Mary at llanion unless they had family plot attack park street or st Michael. When I get out will do further research for you.
Owen ap benfro
Sorry to hear that you are in Ward 10, get well soon. :)
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Thank you for the comprehensive reply Orielbenfro.
Most of the Owens/Owen you have highlighted are mine. Thanks in particular for Ann Owen buried 1911, who I had not managed to find previously. She was the second wife of John Thomas Owens (1840-1905).
I looked through the database on the P.C.C. website and can find none of my Owens/Owen at Llanion, so I guess they must all be at St Daniels.
Get well soon.
Owensmanc.
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Hello to you all.
I notice Matilda Hughes Owens is mentioned In one of the posts - my 3 x GG. On the 1901 census she is a domestic servant for the "Palmer" family. Living ( from what I can make out) in Llanion .... New House?
Also at this time her son, I believe to be illegitimate, William Henry Owens aged 3 b.1898 is a boarder front street Llanstadwell. Was this a common thing to have done? Your child living as a boarder and the mother work & live somewhere else?
By 1911 Matilda had William living with her and her husband William Bevan who she married in 1903. On the Census it has William henry owens as "stepson".
Owensmanc, does this go with any information you already have for the "ownens" family? Or even add to what little I have on Matilda & William Henry?
Thank You.
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Hi tulip65
Matilda Hughes Owens was my Great Great Great Aunt. I assume you are a descendant of William Henry Owens or one of the Bevans' children. I am only aware of two Bevans children, Lewis James and Maud. I believe William Henry Owens was illegitimate, although I believe I know who his father was, or at least I have narrowed it down to two people in the same family with the same name. I have never thought to look for William Henry Owens on the 1901 census. It is possible you have found him. I do have Matilda down as a domestic servant in 1901.
I will give you a brief summary of Matilda from what I know.
Her father was John Thomas Owens (App. 1840 - 1905) and her mother Jennet Owens (nee Rogers) (App. 1841 to 1882). Matilda had five brothers and five sisters that I am certain of. There may be another brother, who appears on the 1891 census, but he may only be a half brother or step brother, from her father's second marriage to an Ann Lloyd. There are other step brothers and sisters from this marriage.
Matilda was baptised on 18 January 1878 at the same time as her sister Margaret, although Margaret was around 3 years old at the time. Matilda I have down as born approx. 1877.
You are correct that Matilda married Williams Bevans in 1903. By this time she already had an illegitimate son in William Henry Owens, who was born around 1898 and whose father was a John Driver I believe. The father is sourced from an extract in the National Archives of Wales which indicates that a police warrant was issued for him in relation to William Henry Owens, I assume in respect of failure to pay maintenance. I have also established an earlier link to the Driver family before Matilda was born.
Matilda had two children with William Bevans as already mentioned above.
William Bevans died in 1922 and Matilda remarried on 2 August 1923 to Alexander Cattanach. No children resulted from this marriage that I am aware of.
I have Matilda as having died in 1942 and she is buried with first husband William at Honeyborough Cemetery.
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Wow thank you so much!
W H Owens became a dead end because I could not find any info on his dad.
I had ordered William's marriage cert in a hope for the fathers details - but just a line in each box.
There was a story that Matilda's husband had adopted William - but I've not found anything to support that.
William Henry Owens would be my 3 x great grandfather.
Thank you for giving more to work with