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Wales (Counties as in 1851-1901) => Wales => Pembrokeshire => Topic started by: CassT on Friday 10 May 13 23:22 BST (UK)
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Hi
I have been advised that Elizabeth Mary Palmer who passed away 8 Feb 1926 and her husband
James Palmer who died 8 March 1950 were buried in the Cemetery located at Sardis Baptist Chapel.
I am wondering how I can find if there are headstones on the graves or any information regarding
MI's.
As I live in Australia, I do not know the area (only use Google Earth) so any hints or suggestions would be appreciated.
Regards
Carole t ps hope i have placed this on the correct board
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Get out of hospital, I have to go to back yet again to sardis for military related research. Can search burial ground for you, if no one beats me to it.
Can not remember at present if the surnames of your interest are listed in my transcription of sardis records.
Rgds
Owen ap benfro.
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Owen
Thank you do much for your kind offer, if you have time whenever you visit, that would be wonderful. I gave been told that they are buried together, but have no idea of location, plot numbers etc. I have tried to find this information on the Internet but have had no luck.
I know I have a hide, but if you do visit could I ask if you could take a few photographs of the area, even if there is no headstone,
Thanks again
Carole t
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Carole
Can you be more precise about the location of this chapel?
I am aware of two 'Sardis' chapels in the county, one at Burton (Baptists), the other near Saundersfoot (Independents). I assume you mean the former.
Jon
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Jon
I am really sorry, I was just told that they were buried at "Sardis Baptist Chapel. Sardis is a small village just a few miles from Llangwyn". I hope that makes sense to you.
On Ancestry I found in the Probate records regarding "James Palmer of Chapel House, The Becon, Rosemarket, Neyland Pembrokeshire" who died 8 March 1950. I have looked on Google Earth and Rosemarket and Sardis are very close to each other.
Also in the 1891 and 1901 Census James, Elizabeth and children, Mary Ann, Levi John, Frederick and Edith were living in Back Lane, Civil Parish of Burton. In 1911 they are living in Ashdale Lodge Barton Haverfordwest.
I have assumed that they were buried in the grounds of the Baptist Chapel, in the village of Sardis, I did not understand that there were other Chapels named Sardis.
Carole T
Ps I think I should also mention that the same person who said that they were buried at Sardis Baptist Chapel, mentioned that James Palmer, his son Levi John Palmer and Levi's son Allen James Palmer became Freemen of Pembroke. I do not know if this additional information helps.
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Have taken some a while ago but think they're on my other machine - will have a look. Its quite a large graveyard.
SORRY - WAS TALKING OF THE WRONG ONE.
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Sorry for the confusion - I have pictures of the chapel at Sardis village - which does not appear to be what you want which is Sardis Chapel Burton - there are some pictures online here - http://www.dyfedfhs.org.uk/pem-churchesandchapels.php
Also some images here - http://www.geograph.org.uk/gridref/%20SM971087
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Crunwere
Thanks for the links, the second link has a photo of a street sign at a road junction with 4 directional signs attached. I think I can make out 3 of the signs. One of the signs points to Rosemarket 1 Mile /Klm while the second has a Welsh name (which I cannot make out) it also mentions Sardis Baptist Church. The third in yet another direction could be Burton 3 1/2 Miles/ Klm.
The signs leads me to believe that there is a Baptist Church or Chapel in the village of Sardis, and from your replies it seems that there is a large graveyard attached.
Would it be possible for you to send me some of the photos you have, I could send you my email address by a PM
Many thanks for you interest, after Breakfast I will try and find that road junction on Google Earth and follow the signs, to find the Chapel.
Carole t
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Hi Carole - sorry if we have been confusing you - turns out there are two Sardis villages which both have chapels - but only one with a Baptist chapel.
That is the one I sent linked pictures of and looking on google earth I think you have the correct one here https://maps.google.com/maps?q=rosemarket+pembrokeshire&hl=en&ll=51.740583,-4.94123&spn=0.010311,0.038581&sll=37.0625,-95.677068&sspn=58.72842,79.013672&t=h&hnear=Rosemarket,+Pembrokeshire,+United+Kingdom&z=15&layer=c&cbll=51.740576,-4.941229&panoid=wBkA4laeJFgVHOLfdge-ZQ&cbp=11,171.77,,0,0.9 (https://maps.google.com/maps?q=rosemarket+pembrokeshire&hl=en&ll=51.740583,-4.94123&spn=0.010311,0.038581&sll=37.0625,-95.677068&sspn=58.72842,79.013672&t=h&hnear=Rosemarket,+Pembrokeshire,+United+Kingdom&z=15&layer=c&cbll=51.740576,-4.941229&panoid=wBkA4laeJFgVHOLfdge-ZQ&cbp=11,171.77,,0,0.9) though its up a lane they never photographed.
Sorry but I do not have any pictures of that Baptist chapel - it was the other one I have images for.
Hope someone else can help you.
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Yes I think you are correct I have spent a couple of hours "driving" up and down the lanes and roads around that intersection with the street sign, and came to the same conclusion, that the church is up the end of Thurston Lane, the only section of the Lane where Street View is not available. From overhead there does appear to be a building with graves around it.
It is amazing, from the other side of the world you can "drive" up and down an area using Street View and see the sights. Looks like it is a rural area, with very narrow roads.
Carole T
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Went to Sardis Baptist Chapel at Sardis near Burton today and searched for the Palmer's, alas there is no sign of their headstone. To be really sure I also dropped in on th Wesleyn Chapel a few hundred yards up the road over the border in Hill Mountain. alas as you would expect there was no result there either.
Rgds Owen Ap Benfro
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Hi Owen
Oh what a disappointment. As James left an Estate of One thousand pounds I really thought that there might be a headstone.
Many thanks for all you help, I hope that you had better luck with your military search.
Regards
Carole t
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I hope that you had better luck with your military search.
One success, Frederick James Richards killed aboard HMS Warrior Battle of Jutland, referenced on Sardis family headstone.
one failure ;
Arthur Ernest Breeze Joined 4th Batt Welsh Regt, saw action Flanders & Western Front, 1917 wounded & gassed, then invalided out of the services, returned to Pembrokeshire to live, died 1965.
Rgds
Owen Ap Benfro
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Hi
I have been advised that Elizabeth Mary Palmer who passed away 8 Feb 1926 and her husband
James Palmer who died 8 March 1950 were buried in the Cemetery located at Sardis Baptist Chapel.
I am wondering how I can find if there are headstones on the graves or any information regarding
MI's.
As I live in Australia, I do not know the area (only use Google Earth) so any hints or suggestions would be appreciated.
Regards
Carole t ps hope i have placed this on the correct board
Hi
I have been advised that Elizabeth Mary Palmer who passed away 8 Feb 1926 and her husband
James Palmer who died 8 March 1950 were buried in the Cemetery located at Sardis Baptist Chapel.
I am wondering how I can find if there are headstones on the graves or any information regarding
MI's.
As I live in Australia, I do not know the area (only use Google Earth) so any hints or suggestions would be appreciated.
Regards
Carole t ps hope i have placed this on the correct board
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Hi, I came across this post trying to do some research on chapel house rosemarket, chapel house is opposite the tabernacle chapel rosemarket. We didn't know of the Palmers living here,We have lived in chapel house since 1999 and would be greatfull for any information as to when and for how long the Palmers may have lived here. We have looked in the graveyard of the chapel there are no graves with the name Palmer but some are unreadable damaged or missing.
regards Richard.
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Looks like it is a rural area, with very narrow roads.
Carole T
It is a rural area. Hello, I live just up the road from Sardis and am a member of the Baptist chapel there. As it was the first Baptist chapel to be founded in the area, it has a very large graveyard, the oldest part of which is now overgrown. Palmer is traditionally a Llangwm name, and before Galilee Baptist chapel was opened, Baptists from Llangwm were members at Sardis and many of them were buried there. If your relatives were buried in a family plot, the grave may be down in the old part of the graveyard. We have a register of names on headstones in the yard, which I will check for you. We may find a batch of Palmer graves together, which might mean that they are buried there. Unfortunately Google street view doesn't go down Chapel Lane, but there are pictures of the chapel online. If I can find anything for you, I will take a photo.
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Hi
Many thanks for your reply. It would be wonderful if you could have a look at the burial register,
if you find them it would be fantastic.
If you find them in the register and even if there is no headstone a photo of the Chapel and graveyard would be wonderful.
I see that you are also a member of the Thomas Clan, Elizabeth Palmer was the daughter of Levi Thomas, my G G G Grandfather, Levi's son from his 1st marriage, Benjamin was by GG Grandfather, he come to Australia from Wales in the 1870's.
Regards
Carole Thomas
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We also have three elderly ladies in the congregation (all in their 80s) who have never moved from the area and have been at the chapel since their days in Sunday School - I will ask if any of them remember James Palmer - if as you say he lived at the Chapel House in Rosemarket and was buried at Sardis in 1950, someone might remember him or where he is buried. Interesting that they also lived at Ashdale Lodge and on the Back Lane (now known as Ashdale Lane) - Ashdale Lodge (not the house they lived in, but a new house built on the site) is a stone's throw away from my house. The Back Lane as they knew it would have had a handful of cottages on it, it is now lined with houses built in the 70s and 80s.
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Good news - I finally found the graveyard register and found the grave you asked about. There is a headstone on it, although it is difficult to read the inscription because the carved side faces south west, which is where the rain flies in from. The ladies at the church also remember a Mr Palmer living in the chapel house in Rosemarket, and they said that his sister (your great aunt) is also buried in the yard. The grave is quite near the chapel building (therefore in the part we keep well tended and tidy). When we get a nice sunny day, I will take my camera down to the chapel and photograph the grave and take some general pics of the chapel and yard, for you to get a feel of the place. You can probably see pictures of Chapel House in Rosemarket on Google street view, as it is on the main street running down through the village. If not, let me know, and I will get a photo for you.
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How exciting, does the register record that Elizabeth and James are buried in the same grave .
That would be wonderful of you to take photos of the grave/ headstone and general area.
I will send you a PM with my email address
I have been looking on Google, and have "driven" up and down the The Beacon. it seems to be a narrow street but I cannot make out the house numbers, seems that some homes have house names but they are very hard to read, so if you have the time a photo of the house would be a wonderful bonus.
Thank you
Cass
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Yes, they are both in the same grave - both names are on the gravestone. I have received your email address, so will send pictures when I get down to the yard. The chapel in Rosemarket is on Middle Street. If you start below the chapel and 'walk' up Middle street, you will see the graveyard, then the chapel head on. There is a cream-coloured house immediately after the chapel (behind it and slightly above it) - that's the Chapel House.
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Hi
As a result if the wonders of Google Earth I have just had a stroll around Rosemarket and walked up Middle street and found the Chapel and the cream house. What a lovelly village, there are some nice gardens. Thank goodness I "walked" I would have had the horrors if I was driving and meet a car coming towards me, the Street appears to be so narrow, a bonus was that it look like a lovelly sunny day when Google took the "movie".
Regards
Cass