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Research in Other Countries => Canada => Topic started by: bes on Saturday 11 May 13 17:45 BST (UK)
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Hi this was originally posted in the forum for Renfrewshire, Scotland. My original request for info about the pax list has been fulfilled. What I am seeking now is information about the family of Sarah Elizabeth Oldfield ( nee Johnson) born circa 1877 in Northumberland who married George W Oldfield at Acomb St. Stephens in York in 1902. I am trying to identify her parents and I would like to confirm her and George's date of death and place of burial. George was born in 1878 in York to Ralph and Nymph Oldfield. I would love to try to find a copy of their obituaries. I am also seeking information about their Son Ralph b. 1909 along with a twin (name unknown ) who died shortly after. George and Sarah lived in and around Bolton and King City, Ontario when their family was young. I believe Sarah died sometime between 1938-41. George died around 1970.
My original request is below.
Thanks bes
I am trying to find more information on my great grandmother Sarah Elizabeth Oldfield nee Johnson b 1877 probably in Yorkshire.
I know that she emigrated to Canada on a ship departing from Glasgow to a port in Quebec in 1906, probably in the in the first 1/2 of the year because her first child was born in Canada in October.
She was travelling with her husband George W Oldfield born in 1878 in York. They were probably living in York before their departure.
I am hoping that someone would provide me with the details provided on the passenger list for them and the names of any party they are listed as travelling with.
Thank you,
bes
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Hi I can locate a Mrs S E Oldfield departing Glasgow for Quebec occ Housewife on the 7th July 1906 on SS Athenia, but appears on her own?
Keyboard86
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Hi again a George W Oldfield aged 29 Single occ Farm Hand left Glasgow for Quebec 2nd June 1906 on SS Athenia?
Keyboard86
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Thanks so much thats probably them. Does the list provide any other info about them?
bes
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The occupation of George Wm Oldfield on SS Athenia 12 June 1906 looks to have been stamped Mech Engineer.
Sandra
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Thanks! Is this information from the pax manifest in Quebec?
bes
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Information from Canadian passenger List - if you can send me a personal message with your e-mail address I can forward a copy for you. Back in a little while.
Sandra
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Thanks. I sent you my email.
bes
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You're very welcome. Should be with you now, also the one for Sarah.
Sandra
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Just incase you don't have this. George and Sarah had a daughter Doris Elizabeth 29 Oct 1906 Peel Ontario. A statement of birth was signed by Doris 17 October 1957 using her married name.
Sadly Doris Elizabeth Oldfield Porritt died 31 March 1999. Orangeville Ontario. Cemetery Rexdale. Obituary appeared in the Toronto Star, although I haven't seen the full obituary, there were a few names of relatives - will send those few details of relatives by pm. You could try Canada 411 to see if any are traceable. ???
http://www.canada411.ca/
Obituary listed on the Daily Times obituary Index :- Published 1 st April 1999
http://obits.rootsweb.ancestry.com/cgi-bin/obit.cgi?Surname=PORRITT%2C%20Doris%20Elizabeth%20(OLDFIELD)&type=Keyword
Sandra
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Thanks keyboard86 and Sandra! You found them. I guess I can mark this lookup as complete unless anyone has any information on Sarah ie her parents names She was born Sarah Eliabeth Johnson around 1877 in Northumberland ( according to the pax list) and she married George W. Oldfield in Acomb, York at St. Stephens. The easily obtained listing of the marriage only lists George's father Ralph. I appreciate everyone's help and such a quick response! :D
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Hi Bes,
Could I suggest that you ask a moderator (Monica is one of the Scotland - Mods) to move this thread to the Canada board in the hope of tracing George and Sarah a little further forward and perhaps finding an Obituary notice for Sarah which would name her parents ;)
The Canada Voters List for 1935 lists all 4 family members - Vaughan Township. York. Ontario.
George Oldfield - Farmer - Nashville RR1
Mrs Sarah E Oldfield Married Woman- Nashville RR1
Miss Doris Oldfield - Spinster - Nashville RR1
Ralph Oldfield - Electrician - Nashville RR1
Sandra
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Just incase it helps - Canadia Voters List for 1965 - 203 Lake Promenade, York West Ontario shows George Oldfield (retired) living with his daughter Doris & son-in-law Merle - radiator repair man (all now deceased)
Sandra
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Thanks! I know that George lived to 92, but I didn't know that he was living with Aunt Doris in Toronto. Unfortunately he lost Sarah sometime between 1938-40. ( You can tell that my family wasn't big on exchanging family stories ;)) I haven't been able to id the burial sites of either of them so I might start with checking out the cemetery that Aunt Doris is buried at!
Shelley
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Think twins might have run in the family - noticed an entry for Doris and Merle appeared in Barrie Examiner 18 th Feb 1937 relating to birth announcement of tw son - Cookstown, ???
Sadly in Barrie Examiner, 25 Feb 1937, p. 12 Gilford, tw (1 stillborn)
The marriage of Doris and Merle (now deceased) - Barrie Examiner, 26 Apr 1936, p. 12 Doris Elizabeth Oldfield, Woodbridge.
http://images.ourontario.ca/barrie/results?ln=Porritt
Sandra
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Hopefully all these little pieces of information fill in the bigger picture and if we do get to the Canada board - more chance of further help. ;)
Ralph Oldfield - marriage appeared in Barrie Examiner, 22 Sep 1938, p. 4. Date of Event: 3 Sep 1938 Edith Mae Madill, Bradford.
http://news.ourontario.ca/results?ln=Oldfield
Sandra
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Twins do run in the family George's parents had 2 sets ( 13 kids all together) sadly many of the twins did not survive their first year.
I have sent in a request to move this thread, sorry to all those who might be annoyed at all this CDN info in a Scottish forum!
bes
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So to recap just in case someone can help further - We have found Sarah Oldfield, husband George Oldfield and the 2 children Doris and Ralph (now deceased) in Vaughan Township York Ontario in 1935.
You seem to think that Sarah (nee Johnson) Oldfield may have died 1938 - 1941.
George Oldfield seems to be listed with daughter and son-in-law Doris and Merle Angus Porritt in 1965 at 203 Lake Promenade, York West Ontario (would have been around 87 years old then) and you think he died aged about 92 years.
Fingers crossed someone may be able to help you further.
Sandra
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I am investigating a Sarah Elizabeth Johnson b 1876 Hexham Northumberland found through a findmypast.co.uk as a possible contender to be Sarah. I think she is the same Sarah found living in East Halton, Yorkshire in the 1881 uk census ( familysearch.org) with her father James and mother Ann b LIncoln 1843. James is listed as 52 in 1881. He may be deceased in 1902 and therefore may be the reason I can't find them on the registry. I think that Sarah is living with Ann and her youngest brother James b cerca 1878 in Ince Cheshire in 1991. She also has a brother Robert b1863. John b 1868 and a sister Mary ann b 1867. I am trying to find out when James died.
bes
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Thanks keyboard86 and Sandra! You found them. I guess I can mark this lookup as complete unless anyone has any information on Sarah ie her parents names She was born Sarah Eliabeth Johnson around 1877 in Northumberland ( according to the pax list) and she married George W. Oldfield in Acomb, York at St. Stephens. The easily obtained listing of the marriage only lists George's father Ralph. I appreciate everyone's help and such a quick response! :D
Do you have the actual marriage registration?
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HI Cosmac,
Thanks for you interest. I don't have a copy of their marriage certificate, but I have found their marriage listed through the ukbmd and through family search.org ( though for some reason I am having difficulty retrieving it today. Through ancestry.com the reference on the ukbmd index for
Great Ouseburn Yorkshire west riding volume 9a pg 151.
Through family search using the English and Wales marriage index I used to be able to find a search result that listed The marriage of George William Oldfield to Sarah Elizabeth Johnson in 1902 at St. Stephen's Acomb which listed George's father Ralph Oldfield. The reciprocal announcement for Sarah did not list a parent. The weddings of all of George's siblings had reciprocal listings which listed their father or their spouses father. The fact that Sarah's father cannot be found in these listings makes me hesitant to order the certificate because I am afraid it is not listed. I don't really require the other information on the certificate at the moment. I have other people in my tree who were born out of wedlock where the father is unknown but the mother's name was listed instead. Does any one know under what circumstances a parents name would not be listed?
Thanks bes
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I cannot personally locate the parish record of the marriage online but usually if no father is listed it would indicate illegitimacy.
What does concern me here (and sorry to sound a wet blanket) is that the birth of a Sarah Elizabeth Johnson in Mar.qtr.1876 Hexham, Northumberland which you think could be her is not, I feel, the correct one. On the 1911 Canada Census month of birth is given and it states July 1877 for Sarah. George's states Sept.1878 but this should clearly be 1877 as he was baptised early 1878. Whilst Sarah's birth year could equally be slightly wrong I doubt very much that the month of birth would be wrong and a July birth wouldn't be registered in a March quarter.
I would think you do need the full details from the marriage certificate - a) to ascertain whether or not a father is listed for Sarah (and not just an error on the entry you previously viewed) and b) hopefully an occupation and address for her to enable a search to find her on the 1901 Census. Unfortunately you are dealing with a common set of names for her and can't really second guess it.
Annette
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The marriage registration may or may not contain her father's name but sometimes the names of the witnesses at the marriage can be very helpful in determining family relationships.
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Thanks Annette and Cosmac for your help and insight. It's just as valuable to have a theory discounted as well as confirmed. I didn't have access to the month of birth for the 76 birth and I agree I doubt that the census takers would get it wrong as well. I wish I had better information on her year of birth The information I have has her birth anywhere between 1874 to 1877. ( The pax list in 1906 has her age as 32). I found out that The Ontario Archives have released her suspected year of death records on microfiche so I am going to try to go and view them sometime in the next couple of weeks as they may answer my questions. I also realize that when the pax list states she is from Northumberland it might mean simply that she had spent a certain part of her life there. If the records don't give me the information I need than I will order the marriage certificate, because they might at least help me identify some other family members.
I know what you mean about common names. I have one line of my family that contains two lines of Madills both who have a father John and who share many names in common among their siblings and children. There seems to be a great deal of disagreement to which John the spouses belong two among within the family trees I have looked at, but that's a discussion for another thread.
Thanks everyone for you help and If I do resolve this I will let you know, I of course still welcome any insight and help anyone can offer.
Bes
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Sarah's death is on Ancestry, it says her father was William Johnson and her mother Annie Southcote.
She died 10 Jan 1937 her birth date was 6 July 1878.