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Title: Hanmer Parish records. Some destroyed by fire.
Post by: Tom Langley on Wednesday 15 May 13 19:57 BST (UK)
Hi, ive been tracing my grandmothers family the Broads, who lived the Hanmer, Flintshire area in the 1800s. Ive gotten back to John and Mary Broad who i have found in records of their two childrens baptisms. Elizabeth 23/02/1800 and John 24/07/1803.
I understand that some records just before 1800 (i think a period of about 10 years) were destroyed in a fire, and there are no Broads in the parish in the earlier surviving records.
I suspect John was from Cheshire as there are a few in that county.
Can anyone think of any way i could get further back with this?

Tom
Title: Re: Hanmer Parish records. Some destroyed by fire.
Post by: wrjones on Wednesday 15 May 13 23:04 BST (UK)
Hi Tom,its been a while since we were in touch!This explains what happened during the fire;
http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/wal/FLN/Hanmer/index.html

Yes its just a very sad state of affairs really.Of course if you are working with a known local family it is possible to make an "educated guess".

Regards
William Russell Jones.
Title: Re: Hanmer Parish records. Some destroyed by fire.
Post by: Tom Langley on Friday 17 May 13 18:52 BST (UK)
Hi, i didnt know the full story of what happened! Im still hopeful ill crack this, maybe with some other set of records.

Tom
Title: Re: Hanmer Parish records. Some destroyed by fire.
Post by: wrjones on Friday 17 May 13 19:28 BST (UK)
Well Tom,the births for Hanmer are still intact,it is the marriages that are what were destroyed in the fire.

Regards
William Russell Jones.
Title: Re: Hanmer Parish records. Some destroyed by fire.
Post by: bosretd on Tuesday 02 July 13 16:24 BST (UK)
Apparently the Family Search have a microfilm copy available of a list of marriages for the period 1563 to 1837. Have you tried this?

I have a Thomas Lee who I believe was married in Hanmer c1790 and have been unable to find as yet.

Regards
Brian Slater
Title: Re: Hanmer Parish records. Some destroyed by fire.
Post by: wrjones on Tuesday 02 July 13 17:05 BST (UK)
Well Brian they have probably been drawn up from the Bishop's Transcripts.I'd love to know more about your Thomas Lee?

Regards
William Russell Jones.
Title: Re: Hanmer Parish records. Some destroyed by fire.
Post by: bosretd on Wednesday 03 July 13 11:21 BST (UK)
Hi William,

Not a lot to tell about Thomas Lee. My connection to him is through his daughter Mary who was baptised in 1800 at Hanmer and married Richard Pierce in 1825 at Overton.

To date I have the children of Thomas and Mary Lee as: Mary, Ester, Thomas, Jane, Mary, William and Anne.

The 1841 census has a Thomas and Mary Lee both aged c75 living in Tybroughton. I cannot find their marriage which presumably was in that part of the register destroyed.

Regards
Brian
Title: Re: Hanmer Parish records. Some destroyed by fire.
Post by: wrjones on Wednesday 03 July 13 13:06 BST (UK)
I'm not seeing the 1841 Census entry on Ancestry?

Regards
William Russell Jones.
Title: Re: Hanmer Parish records. Some destroyed by fire.
Post by: Gadget on Wednesday 03 July 13 13:20 BST (UK)
Quote from: wrjones on Wednesday 03 July 13 13:06 BST (UK)
I'm not seeing the 1841 Census entry on Ancestry?

Regards
William Russell Jones.

Here tis, WR  :)

HO107/1408/7/4/3

Gadget
Title: Re: Hanmer Parish records. Some destroyed by fire.
Post by: Tom Langley on Wednesday 03 July 13 13:28 BST (UK)
I don't think we're going to be able to find our relatives in the period of the fire unless there are other records about.
I think I may have a lee connection in tybroughton...
Tom
Title: Re: Hanmer Parish records. Some destroyed by fire.
Post by: Gadget on Wednesday 03 July 13 13:34 BST (UK)
I have Lee links in Halghton  and have most of the Hanmer records. There's an interesting baptism for a Thomas Lee.

25 May 1766 Thomas son of Jane Lee of Halghton baptized. The supposed father ran away.


Gadget
Title: Re: Hanmer Parish records. Some destroyed by fire.
Post by: wrjones on Wednesday 03 July 13 13:39 BST (UK)
Thanks Gadget.I may have a strong hunch for who married Thomas Lee who I may have stumbled upon from looking for as usual,someone else of the same name who married a Charles Lea at Malpas in 1784.I was looking for a Mary Maddocks,but apparently there were two born in Hanmer in 1766!

Regards
William Russell Jones.
Title: Re: Hanmer Parish records. Some destroyed by fire.
Post by: Gadget on Wednesday 03 July 13 13:52 BST (UK)
7 March 1766 - d of William and Mary Maddocks of Willington
12 -do-  - d of Thomas and Elizabeth Maddocks of Willington

If it is a Mary Maddocks then my bet for the one who married Thomas is on the first baptism, given the name of the children - no Elizabeth!
Title: Re: Hanmer Parish records. Some destroyed by fire.
Post by: Gadget on Wednesday 03 July 13 13:56 BST (UK)
PS

The first child of the Charles Lea and Mary Maddocks was an Elizabeth  :)

Baptism Malpas 23 October 1785

FS are showing Charles and Mary having many children!
Title: Re: Hanmer Parish records. Some destroyed by fire.
Post by: wrjones on Wednesday 03 July 13 14:13 BST (UK)
Thanks Gadget,I'm getting info on the marriage of Charles and Mary as I write this from another source!

Regards
William Russell Jones.
Title: Re: Hanmer Parish records. Some destroyed by fire.
Post by: Gadget on Wednesday 03 July 13 14:25 BST (UK)
Quote from: wrjones on Wednesday 03 July 13 14:13 BST (UK)
Thanks Gadget,I'm getting info on the marriage of Charles and Mary as I write this from another source!

Regards
William Russell Jones.

You look for them and I'll investigate Thomas and Mary  ;D
Title: Re: Hanmer Parish records. Some destroyed by fire.
Post by: wrjones on Wednesday 03 July 13 14:30 BST (UK)
The daughter Jane of Thomas and Mary could well point to the 1766 Thomas!

Regards
William Russell Jones.
Title: Re: Hanmer Parish records. Some destroyed by fire.
Post by: Gadget on Wednesday 03 July 13 14:34 BST (UK)
Wonder who Esther was named for?  Are there any Esther Maddocks around?
Title: Re: Hanmer Parish records. Some destroyed by fire.
Post by: despair on Wednesday 03 July 13 14:41 BST (UK)
NLW marriage bonds has a Thomas Lee,St Peters Liverpool and Mary Owens May 7 1784 at Wrexham.

Regards
Roger
Title: Re: Hanmer Parish records. Some destroyed by fire.
Post by: wrjones on Wednesday 03 July 13 14:42 BST (UK)
No Esther Maddocks as such locally.There may be a couple of spouses with that name.

Regards
William Russell Jones.
Title: Re: Hanmer Parish records. Some destroyed by fire.
Post by: Gadget on Wednesday 03 July 13 14:46 BST (UK)
Roger - I think Thomas and Mary are shown as b. Flintshire in the 1841. He was an ag lab.

Just throwing this in ~

Interesting marriage in Malpas in 1763:

10 Dec Wm Maddocks and Mary Harris both of Is (? would this be Iscoed)

and

17  May 1736 William s/o John and Mary Maddocks of Willington


Gadget
Title: Re: Hanmer Parish records. Some destroyed by fire.
Post by: wrjones on Wednesday 03 July 13 14:59 BST (UK)
Quote from: Gadget on Wednesday 03 July 13 14:46 BST (UK)
Roger - I think Thomas and Mary are shown as b. Flintshire in the 1841. He was an ag lab.

Just throwing this in ~

Interesting marriage in Malpas in 1763:

10 Dec Wm Maddocks and Mary Harris both of Is (? would this be Iscoed)

and

17  May 1736 William s/o John and Mary Maddocks of Willington


Gadget

Yes could be very interesting,all places  you mention are not too far away.Going back for one moment to the original point of the thread in finding spouses etc for the missing years,unless you are very lucky you do indeed have to make "educated guesses"!

Regards
William Russell Jones.
Title: Re: Hanmer Parish records. Some destroyed by fire.
Post by: despair on Wednesday 03 July 13 15:58 BST (UK)
If relevant,there are burial records for Thomas Lee(1761-1846) and Mary(1763-1844),both given as Lesswick,Bangor on Dee.

Regards
Roger
Title: Re: Hanmer Parish records. Some destroyed by fire.
Post by: Gadget on Wednesday 03 July 13 16:57 BST (UK)
Quote from: despair on Wednesday 03 July 13 15:58 BST (UK)
If relevant,there are burial records for Thomas Lee(1761-1846) and Mary(1763-1844),both given as Lesswick,Bangor on Dee.

Regards
Roger

Maybe, Roger, but Sesswick is a way from Tybroughton where they were living in 1841. They might have had children there - bosrtd might know.

Added:

The North Wales BMd shows  a death for a Thomas Lee in Hanmer in 1841. I think that would be the Ellesmere RD on the GRO Index - but 2 registrations!

No burials showing!




Title: Re: Hanmer Parish records. Some destroyed by fire.
Post by: bosretd on Wednesday 03 July 13 22:41 BST (UK)
Hi,

This thread seems to have moved on a long way since I last looked.

In response to a question several emails ago I can't shed any light on the children of Thomas and Mary Lee, other than their second Mary.

Did I miss the connection with Maddocks? I found a marriage in 1790 of Thomas Lee and Mary Maddocks at Tilston which is not that far from Hanmer. Is this the same Maddocks family that has now appeared in the thread?

Brian
Title: Re: Hanmer Parish records. Some destroyed by fire.
Post by: Gadget on Thursday 04 July 13 07:31 BST (UK)
Would it be this one, Brian?

https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/FBZV-2HF

If so, they had children in Tilston when your T & M were having children in Hanmer,  so it would most likely rule them out.

https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/FQ4C-LZ2

https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/FQ4C-GVC




Gadget