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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => England => London and Middlesex => Topic started by: Feliss on Sunday 19 May 13 03:47 BST (UK)
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I have Norman Faulkner Bent born 1855 in London marrying Emily in 1882 in Lambeth.
There is some suggestion in the family that this Emily may have been an actress, possibly with the last name of Custance and I am looking to verify or disprove this.
Idle googling seems to reveal that Emily Custance married someone else so perhaps it is not she. If anyone has access to UK records and can provide me with some info, I'd be very grateful.
Norman Faulkner and his wife appear to have had at least 7 children together: Norman Frederick (my great-grandfather), Ethel, Florence, Harold, Emily, Gertrude and Lilian.
Felicity Bent
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FreeBMD shows
Marriage Index
June Quarter 1882
Lambeth
Volume 1d Page 788
BENT Norman Faulkner
CUSTANCE Emily Link
Karenlee
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Thanks so much Karenlee.
I didn't know about free bdm so that's great too!
Felicity
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Given that Norman was listed here as an actor... quite likely his wife was also in the trade...
1891 Census England London Camberwell
RG12/486/68/49
12 Kempshed Road
BENT
Norman F Head Marr 35 Actor London Marylebone
Emily Wife Marr 28 Birmingham
Florence Dau Unmarr 8 Scholar London Kennington
Arthur W Son Unmarr 6 Scholar London Kennington
Norman F Son Unmarr 5 London Kennington
Ethel M Dau Unmarr 3 London Wandsworth
Harold Son Unmarr 1 London Wandsworth
Karenlee
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That's interesting, except that his age is wrong. He was definitely born in 1855 so would have been 36 in 1891.
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Sorry was just about to ammend that post to show his age as 35....
This might be Emily's father and mother ( and maybe grandfather? added.. or maybe not grandfather as Richard appears to have married Emily WINSON)
1861 Census England Warwickshire Birmingham St Martin
RG9/2145/4/1
Cheapside 1 Court 5 House
WAGSTAFF
John Head Wid 56 Violin Maker Lancashire Gorton
Thomas Son Marr 25 Violin Maker Warwickshire Birmingham
Elizabeth Dau In Law Marr 20 Staffordshire Bilston
Emily WINSON Visitor Wid 50 Basket Maker Kent Teddingbourne
Richard Link CUSTANCE Visitor Marr 23 Professor of Music Middlesex Portland Town
Emily CUSTANCE ? Marr 21 Sussex Hastings
Richard Charles Link CUSTANCE Grandson Unmarr 11months Worcestershire Dudley
Karenlee
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Richard Link CUSTANCE married Mary Elizabeth CURTISS 8th Jan 1866 Clee Old Lincolnshire
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I have another query which I hope someone can help me with.
I have Norman Frederick Bent living in Birkenhead in 1901 as a 15-year-old and the next I know of him is when he emigrates to Australian in 1910, the same year he married.
How would I go about finding out what profession he pursued? He was, at different times in Australia, an upholsterer and a farmer but I've no idea what he did in England.
Does anyone have any ideas about where I might look for such info? I don't think he was very well off as he appears to have worked his passage out to Sydney.
Many thanks in advance,
Felicity
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St Marks Kennington, Surrey baptism
1883 Jan 7, Florence, d/o Norman Faulkner & Emily Link BENT, 5 Coal?? Road, Architect
1884 Aug 31, Arthur William, s/o Norman Faulkner & Emily BENT, 8 Hanover Gardens, Architect
1886 May 30, Norman Frederick, s/o ditto, Actor
St Marks Deptford
1893 Jul 13, Emily Mildred, d/o Norman Faulkner & Emily BENT, 74 Kerry Road, Clerk S.E.R.
St James Hatcham
1897 Jan 6, Lillian Eva, d/o Norman & Emily BENT, 100 Milton Court Road, Clerk
Norman Frederick was an upholsterer's apprentice in 1901, so he probably worked at that trade before he came down under, particularly if he was working at that trade in Australia.
He was a crewman on the Essex that arrived in Sydney from London via Melbourne on 19 Apr 1910. Can't make out his occupation, assistant something.
Ian C
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Ian, thanks soooo much!
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I've hit a brick wall with this too:
Rosalie Clement Bent and her son Norman Hector Bent came to Sydney from London in 1910 or 1911 to join their husband/father however I can't find any trace of their journey.
They travelled back to the UK in 1912 or 1913 to care for a sick relative and then came back to Australia in 1916. I have details of the voyage London-Sydney in 1916 but not of their trip Sydney-London in 1912 or 1913. They may have travelled to/from Liverpool instead of London.
I'd be grateful for any info you may be able to give me.
Felicity
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Rosalie Clement Bent and her son Norman Hector Bent came to Sydney from London in 1910 or 1911 to join their husband/father however I can't find any trace of their journey.
Hi
To narrow down your search: they had not left England by 2 April 1911 as they appear in the free 1911 census index (Birkenhead area).
See:
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/XW32-4M8
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/XW32-4MF
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I am descended from Norman and Emily's youngest son Frank Cyril who was my grandfather on my Dad's side. Dad was his son Ronald and Norman was my Great Grandfather. Norman died in 1905. Norman and Emily had 8 kids. My dad (Ron) knew absolutely nothing about his Dad's side, not even that during the war he was living with Welsh relatives on his mum's side. lol. Dad has vascular dementia now poor lamb but he would have been so excited to know about his Dad's side and all that I've found out. My grandfather, Frank Cyril was a right berk. He came back from the war with another woman and wanted them all to live together. My Gran said bollocks to that and off she went to join the NAVVI ,same as Auntie Pat, my dad's older sister who couldn't stand this new woman. Auntie Pat was 16 when she went off to join her Mum. Frank Cyril and his new woman Aggie Mary dumped Dad who was just 14 onto Dudley Dale and Dad was on stage from age 14 to 18 and then emigrated to Canada around 1950. I've researched Norman's direct male line going right back to the end of the 18th century. Dad only had two girls of whom I am the eldest now at 63 so Norman's direct male line dies when Dad dies. My name is Leah (lay-ah) Jordana nee Bent. I live on Canada's west coast now.
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Norman and Emily had 8 children
Florence
Norman Frederick
Ethel Minnie
Harold
Emily Mildred
Getrude
Lilian Eva ( Auntie Lil)
Frank Cyril ( my Grandfather)
Hope that this helps.
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I have posted on the roots website re Norman Faulkner, He was my great grandfather. I'm descended out of his youngest son Frank Cyril and I have quite a few records found so ask what you need to know. I personally had no idea that Norman Frederick emigrated to Australia but he shows up as an actor, 15 years of age in London on a census.
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Welcome to RootsChat LeahJordan, Feliss has been notified of your replies and was online a little earlier.
Regards
Sarah
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Hi Leah. It's lovely to hear from you. :)
Do you know Adam Bent in Durham? He's another descendant, though I can't remember which of Norman Faulkner Bent's children he's descended from. I've also been in contact with two other descendants, though it was a while ago now. One was called Chris and was Adam's cousin, if I remember rightly. Will look up the details when I have more time. They're in the UK, though I'm in Australia.
Adam and I have chatted a bit on Facebook. He also didn't know what had happened to Norman Frederick. He'd done some family research but could never figure out where Norman went. Norman and his second wife did visit the UK in the 1950s.
I have all Emily and Norman Faulkner Bent's children listed as you have except for your grandfather. I never knew there was a Frank Cyril: I have an Arthur listed instead. Do you know anything about an Arthur?
Your grandfather does sound like an interesting character! My great-grandfather (Fred) was a very serious, unforgiving sort of fellow, although he liked to sing and seems to have adored his first wife. I'm 53 and remember him a bit from my childhood. He died when I was about 10.
Are you on Facebook? If so, we can chat that way, if you like. Otherwise, we can send private messages here on rootschat.
Nice to hear from you anyhow. Let's keep in touch.
Felicity
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Feliss, I couldn't read Arthur's name properly in the 1891 census so thanks for that. Arthur W. Bent was born to Norman Faulkner and Emily, in Kennington St Mark London around 1885 and I haven't gotten around to all the kid's trees as yet, sorry but will let you know what information I can find once I do. According to all the census' I could get my hands on, they had 9 kids in total. My grandfather Frank Cyril would never have known his brother Norman Frederick as NF left England for Australian when he was 15 years old, before FC was born. NF was, like his father, an actor in London. I am trying to find a census in the early 20th century that will show him back in England because I believe that he did go home eventually. I am on face book but can't remember my name there LOL If we share Norman Faulkner as our Great Grandfather then we are indeed blood cousins! :) I just turned 63 this past August. I sent you a private message.
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Feliss here is a bit more information for you. ( sorry I'm new to roots and not certain yet how to chat with you real time. They keep removing my email address lol ) Rosalee Clement (nee Martin) shows up on a census along with Hector, living with her father while waiting to go out to Australia and join her husband. I am trying to find a marriage license for Rosalee and Norman Frederick. They would had been very young indeed to marry at that time. I think NF was only 19.
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I'm not sure Norman Frederick (known as Fred) was an actor, though anything's possible.
He never returned to England to live, however. I'm absolutely sure of that. He and his second wife, Mary, travelled back to England by ship in the 1950s for a visit but they didn't stay.
If you can find out your fb details we can talk there.
Felicity
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Hi Feliss. Norman junior shows up as ACTOR on the last census ( when he was 15) before he left England. He was gone by the time of the next census. I am now in contact with the great grandson out of Harold! So slowly, the pieces are coming together. lol