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Scotland (Counties as in 1851-1901) => Scotland => Inverness => Topic started by: granbinnie on Wednesday 22 May 13 05:00 BST (UK)
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Hi
Looking for Allan Cameron b in Fintray, c 1796 lived in Drimsallie in 1851 census, he m Mary Boyd who was b in Lochaber, my ggrandmother Catherine b 1837 was raised in Drimsallie but believe her birth to be in Renfrewshire trying to prove this. They came to Oz in 1853 as part of the Highland Emigration scheme.
Any names ring any bells with anyone!
Julienne
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Hiya,
Have you been able to find the family on the 1841 Census?
And did Catherine have any brothers or sisters?
And lastly do you know what Allan's occupation was?
Sorry for all the questions :D. Just trying to get a wee bit more info so I can try and help.
I looked at the 1841 Census on www.freecen.org.uk but unfortunately couldn't find the family. Of course I don't think the site has the entire surviving Census transcribed.
Looby
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Hi
Allan Cameron was a Sawyer by trade on their emigration papers, they arrived on the Utopia in 1853.
No I have not been able to find 1841 or 1851 census.
By their emigration record there was Ewen, Mary and Susan, as well as Catherine.
They emigrated from the Inverness Shire.
Julienne
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gran, some pictures of Gleann Dubh Lighe, now a bothy, just above Drimsallie where there was also a mill.
http://www.flickr.com/photos/stuballscramble/4348751673/
Skoosh.
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Hi Julienne,
Thanks for the extra info :D.
I've found a marriage between Allan Cameron and Mary Boyd on 23rd April 1820 in the Barony district of Glasgow. Check out http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/sct/LKS/Barony/ for more on that area.
This could be the parents of Catherine. If she was born in c.1837 her siblings could potentially be older than her. Do the records indicate ages in 1853 for her siblings?
You quoted a birthplace of Fintray for Allan in 1796. I'm assuming this was recorded on their emigration papers too. Fintray is a small village in Aberdeenshire. But I'm wondering if whoever filled out the papers misspelled that place name and it should in fact be Fintry which is in Stirlingshire.
I found a birth for an Allan Cameron at Fintry on 1st May 1796 (year fits in) to parents Hugh Cameron and Susanna Hunter - https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/X1LZ-PMQ
This also fits in with two of Allan's childrens names Ewen (which in some parts of Scotland is/was a variant of the name Hugh , ???I believe) and of course Susan.
Scotlands People website has records which are pay to view (just in case you don't know) and here is their page on Scottish naming patterns- http://www.scotlandspeople.gov.uk/content/help/index.aspx?561
-just in case you're not sure about that either.
Looby
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Forgot to add, Fintry Stirlingshire is a lot closer to the Barony area of Glasgow that Fintray in Aberdeenshire.
20 odd miles as opposed to 150 plus miles.
And still can't find the family on 1841 and 1851 Census :'(
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There is this entry in 1841 in Inverness-shire where Allan's occupation would fit (sawyer) however, missing some names of the children, especially Catherine born c. 1838. What ages showed on the shipping manifest for everyone?
Allan Cameron 45 house carpenter
Mary Cameron 40
Christian Cameron 21
Joan Cameron 15
Betty Cameron 10
Sarah Cameron 8
Ewen Cameron 5
Sarah Mcphee Wid. 70
Address: Fort Wm Main Street Low Side, Kilmallie
There is this possible entry in the Acharacle area https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/XYCW-92N
Monica
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Gold Star, Looby ;) Your comments re Fintry and Fintray...
How about this entry from 1851:
Allan Cameron 54 sawyer b. Fintry, Stirlingshire
Mary Cameron 51 b. Kilmallie
Catherine Cameron 15 b. Polladras (?spl), Renfrewshire
Ewen Henderson 6 grandson b. Kilmallie
Address: 6 Drimnasallie, Kilmallie
Monica
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Monica.
There is a birth on Family Search of a Joan Cameron christened 6th Aug 1825 to an Allan Cameron and Mary Mcphee (which fits with the elderly Sarah McPhee living with that family in 1841) at Kilmallie Argyll ???
Julienne, how do you have the name of Mary Boyd as Catherine's mother? Was this on the emigration papers or does this come from maybe a marriage or death certificate?
Still hunting ;D
Looby
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Gold Star, Looby ;) Your comments re Fintry and Fintray...
How about this entry from 1851:
Allan Cameron 54 sawyer b. Fintry, Stirlingshire
Mary Cameron 51 b. Kilmallie
Catherine Cameron 15 b. Polladras (?spl), Renfrewshire
Ewen Henderson 6 grandson b. Kilmallie
Address: 6 Drimnasallie, Kilmallie
Monica
Well done Monica....that looks more like them! ;D
Looby
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Just had a quick look and found a birth for Ewen Henderson ( age is naturally slightly out ???) to an Angus Henderson and Mary Cameron at Kilmallie on 27 Feb 1831 - https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/XYZN-H9Q
Could this be the Grandson on the 1851 Census entry Monica found.
Looby
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Monica.
There is a birth on Family Search of a Joan Cameron christened 6th Aug 1825 to an Allan Cameron and Mary Mcphee (which fits with the elderly Sarah McPhee living with that family in 1841) at Kilmallie Argyll ???
Looby
Children baptised to the same couple in Kilmallie.
Christian 1819
Mary Ann 1827
Elizabeth 1830
Sarah 1832
Sharon
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Monica.
There is a birth on Family Search of a Joan Cameron christened 6th Aug 1825 to an Allan Cameron and Mary Mcphee (which fits with the elderly Sarah McPhee living with that family in 1841) at Kilmallie Argyll ???
Looby
Children baptised to the same couple in Kilmallie.
Christian 1819
Mary Ann 1827
Elizabeth 1830
Sarah 1832
Sharon
Don't think these are the people Julienne's looking for :(. The mother is Mary Mcphee. The mother of Catherine Campbell was a Mary Boyd.
Looby
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Yes, I know.
Posted them as they look like the family in the 1841 census posted by Monica.
Sharon
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Just had a quick look and found a birth for Ewen Henderson ( age is naturally slightly out ???) to an Angus Henderson and Mary Cameron at Kilmallie on 27 Feb 1831 - https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/XYZN-H9Q
Could this be the Grandson on the 1851 Census entry Monica found.
Looby
Cancel this post!! :-[
I thought we had found a 6 year old Ewen on the 1841 Census and thought this 1831 birth could at a stretch fit. On re-checking I've noticed young Ewen Henderson grandson is on the 1851 Census so therefore could not be born in 1831! Different Ewen Henderson ;D
Looby
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Hi again,
Decided to try a different route on the 1841 Census and look at the name Boyd in the Kilmallie area (where Mary Boyd was reputedly born) and BINGO!
Found a family listed at Corrybeg-
BOYD Donald age 78 Agricultural Labourer Born Invernesshire (originally Argyllshire)
BOYD Marjory age 72 ditto
- Alexr age 35 Agricultural Labourer ditto
- Isabella age 26 "
- Donald age 18m "
CAMERON Mary age 42 "
- Mary age 12 "
- Sarah age 10 "
- Catherine age 6 "
The symbol - indicates that no surname has been recorded for these people. Hence the reason a search for Catherine Cameron was not turning her up. Also all people are recorded as born Invernesshire ??? but that may not be completely accurate.
So, could this be Mary Cameron and daughters living with Mary's family?As usual no family relationships are noted on 1841 Census, so we can only presume that Donald and Marjory are man and wife etc. And if this is Mary and girls where is Allan and son Ewen ( or was the Ewen who emigrated to Australia in 1853 actually Allan and Mary's grandson)? Oooh lots of question yet? ;D
And of course, it might not be them at all.
Looby
p.s Wonder if Sarah and Susan are the same person. Was the name interchangeable? ???
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Thank you for all the replies. Ewen was aged 9 on emigration papers,Catherine was aged 18, Susan was older.
Alans parents were I believe Susan Hunter &Ewen.
I am in Melbourne this week &I did not bring any info with me.
Will check out when get home but what info you have sent looks right to me. There are so many Camerons on the bdms in victoria I cannot figure out which are mine. Julienne
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Somerled MacMillan's book "Bygone Lochaber" mentions a Sarah MacPhee b. 12 June 1784 dau' of Fort William feuar Donald MacPhee & wife Isabella.
The three MacPhee branches in Lochaber, Achnasaul, Muick & Sallachan are all related, their burial ground was on St Columba's Isle in Loch Arkaig, those from Coul in Glendessary (another bothy) are buried in Kilmallie kirkyard and others in the MacPhee burial ground at Loch Beorid.
Ewan Ban MacPhee of Corriebuie was apparently the last outlaw in Scotland, he & his wife took to living on MacPhee's Island on Loch Quoich which they both defended with firearms.
Drimsallie was the seat of Cameron of Kinlocheil possibly the mill there was a sawmill.
You might get this book online or from the Lochaber Museum.
Skoosh.
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Hi
Back home and have checked my info. Alan was aged 49 on emigration papers, Mary aged 48 Ewen was aged 9 and there was a Mary and a Susan, as well as Catherine aged 18 but came out on her own account. They left Scotland sept 1853 and arrived in Portland Bay 4 jan 1854.
Can Ewen be a grandson and not a son? he is a lot younger? another question.
Thank you all Julienne
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Hi again
I have Catherines death certificate which states her mother being Mary Boyd.
Julienne
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Catherine came out on the "Utopia" which sailed from Liverpool on the 3rd September 1853 arriving in Portland in January 1854.
With Catherine were her parents Allan aged 49 and an Ag Labourer from Argyll passenger no 28 from page 191, Allan was engaged by Angus Cameron of Violet Creek in the County of Normanbyfor the sum of 65 pounds 12 shillings. Allan was listed as Presbyterian and could read and write.
Mary from Argyll aged 48 and passenger no 29, could not read or write.
Ewen aged 9 and passenger no 30 on page 191.
On page 199 we have Catherine aged 18 from Invernesshire who came to Portland on her own account.
Christy aged 18 and passenger no 218 who went to work for Mr. Allison of Portland for 25 pound 3 shillings.
Elizabeth aged 20 came on her own account to Portland.
Mary aged 36 went to work for Mr. Ginnaman of Portland for 30 pounds 3 shillings.
Mary aged 23 who came with parents.
Susan aged 25 who went to work for Mr. James Ross of Portland for 30 pounds.
All are listed as Domestic Servants.
On Catherine's marriage certificate it states she was from Drimsallie, Inverness. Drimsallie is located between Glenfinnan and Kenlocheil at the top of Loch Eil. Her father is listed as a Sawyer on both her marriage and death certificates.
Name: Catharine Cameron
Age: 13
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1838
Relationship: Daughter
Father's Name: Alex Mclean
Gender: Female
Where born: Urquhart, Inverness
Parish Number: 107
Civil parish: Urquhart and Glenmoriston
County: Inverness
Occupation: Scholar
ED: 7
Page: 2 .
Household schedule number: 7
Line: 9
Roll: CSSCT1851_25
Household Members:
Name Age
Alex Mclean 34
Mary Mclean 42
Margaret Mclean 14
Marjory Mclean 11
Kate Mclean 9
Sally Mclean 7
Jean Mclean 4
Allan Cameron 44
Christina Cameron 43
Mary Cameron 17
Catharine Cameron 13
Alexander Cameron 11
Mary Cameron 7
William Cameron aged 4
Julienne
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Gold Star, Looby ;) Your comments re Fintry and Fintray...
How about this entry from 1851:
Allan Cameron 54 sawyer b. Fintry, Stirlingshire
Mary Cameron 51 b. Kilmallie
Catherine Cameron 15 b. Polladras (?spl), Renfrewshire
Ewen Henderson 6 grandson b. Kilmallie
Address: 6 Drimnasallie, Kilmallie
Monica
Well done Monica....that looks more like them! ;D
Looby
Could Polladras be Pollokshaws?
A. M.
P.S. Don't be thrown off trail, just to say there is also an area in Dundee, Angus named "Fintry"
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Yes I wondered if Polladras could be Pollockshaws too. I don't know if Monica quoted from the original Census or from a transcription. If it was a transcription maybe a read at the original would shed more light.
Allan does appear to have been born in Fintry, Stirlingshire. https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/X1LZ-PMQ
His parents are quoted on emigration papers as Susan Hunter and Ewen Cameron.
Birth in Fintry,Stirling of Allan Cameron on 1 st May 1796 to Susanna Hunter and Hugh Cameron (Hugh and Ewen being interchangable names). :D
The Ewen aged 9 on emigration in 1854 fits with the 6 year old Ewen Henderson recorded as grandson three years earlier on 1851 Census. There is no son listed with the family so I would think that Ewen was Allan and Mary Cameron's Grandson.
Looby
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Hi Julienne,
I've read through your last post and I'm a bit confused by some of it. ??? Just call me thick!
Do you think there are two separate Cameron families listed on the "Utopia" passenger list? Who is Christy aged 18 and Mary aged 36?
Also is that a transcription from a Census you have posted? Why does Catherine Cameron give her father's name as Alex McLean?
Sorry for the questions :-[......I'm just trying to take in the info to try and be of further help- if I can.
Looby.
P.S. Meant to say - do you think Allan went out to work for a relative - Angus Cameron? Just a thought ;D
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Hi
CAMERON ALEXR 18 JAN 1854 UTOPIA 10 198
CAMERON ALEXR 22 JAN 1854 UTOPIA 10 198
CAMERON ALLAN 49 JAN 1854 UTOPIA 10 191
CAMERON ANGUS 10 JAN 1854 UTOPIA 10 191
CAMERON CATHERINE 18 JAN 1854 UTOPIA 10 199
CAMERON CHRISTY 18 JAN 1854 UTOPIA 10 199
CAMERON DUGALD 45 JAN 1854 UTOPIA 10 191
CAMERON DUNCAN 14 JAN 1854 UTOPIA 10 198
CAMERON ELIZABETH 20 JAN 1854 UTOPIA 10 199
CAMERON EWEN 9 JAN 1854 UTOPIA 10 191
CAMERON EWEN 30 JAN 1854 UTOPIA 10 192
CAMERON HUGH 39 JAN 1854 UTOPIA 10 198
CAMERON JANET 20 JAN 1854 UTOPIA 10 192
CAMERON JOHN 16 JAN 1854 UTOPIA 10 198
CAMERON MARY 23 JAN 1854 UTOPIA 10 199
CAMERON MARY 36 JAN 1854 UTOPIA 10 199
CAMERON MARY 42 JAN 1854 UTOPIA 10 191
CAMERON MARY 48 JAN 1854 UTOPIA 10 191
CAMERON SARAH 12 JAN 1854 UTOPIA 10 191
CAMERON SUSAN 25 JAN 1854 UTOPIA 10 199
These are the Camerons that came on the Utopia.
Below are how they came out on the HEIS scheme.
CAMERON Hugh 39 Achnacarry Cameron of Locheil
554 Mary 36 (Sister)
CAMERON Christy 18 Banavie Cameron of Locheil
560
Deposit £1-0-0 paid to Mr Bett
CAMERON Ewen 30 Druimarbin Donald Cameron of Locheil
566 Janet 20 (wife)
Deposit £3 paid to Mr Bett Eligible young people
CAMERON Dugald 45 Lochyside Donald Cameron of Locheil
567 Mary 42
Alexander 18
John 16
Duncan 14
Sarah 12
Angus 10
P/N £7-4-10 Very healthy family
CAMERON Alexander 22 Banavie Donald Cameron of Locheil
568 Elizabeth 20 (sister)
Deposit £3 paid to Mr Bett Healthy young people
CAMERON Alexander 49 Drumnasaillie Donald Cameron of Locheil
569 Mary 48
Susan 25
Mary 23
Catherine 18
Ewen 9
P/N £28-13-7 Very excellent family (This is my lot) Do not know why Alexander.
Until I can go through all my things I cant remember off hand where the census record came from.
Julienne
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I take it Locheil is paying their passage here? the Cameron's escape much of the flak directed at landowners like the Sutherland's. When it comes to clearance they were in fact as bad as any.
Skoosh.
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Hi Julienne,
Just picking up on this thread to identify the people in the 1841 Corrybeg census, post #15 by Looby, pretty sure they are Donald Boyd (78) & Marjory Cameron (72), their children were:
Ann Boyd bpt 23 Mar 1795 Drimnasallie (Kilmallie); married John Young a farm labourer (c1798 – 1855 Kilmallie) This family is at Druimfern in 1841, Parish 502 Kilmallie, ED: 6, Folio 5, Page 2 and at Drimnasallie in 1851. Ann (Boyd) Young died 28 Mar 1875 at Fort William, recorded age 81.
Male Boyd bpt 8 Mar 1798
Mary Boyd b c1799 married Allan Cameron 23 Apr 1820 Barony, Lanarkshire
Mary Cameron, daughter of Allan Cameron & Mary Boyd was born/bpt 28 Feb 1828 at Strontian, Argyll. In 1851 she is visiting her Uncle Alexander & family at Corrybeg. No birth records found for the other children
Alexander Boyd born/bpt 21 Mar 1805 Kilmallie married Isabella McMillan 28 Dec 1838 Ballachulsh & Corran of Ardgour, Argyll. Their eldest son, Donald was baptised 30 Dec 1840 Kilmallie, Argyll. Alexander worked as a wood sawyer firstly in Corrybeg then in Fort William, retired to Glasgow 1871 - 1881 & died Tradeston, Glasgow 26 Sep 1890. Isabella died between 1881 & 1890
John Boyd bpt 1 Nov 1807 Kilmallie.
brigau
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Thank you for the info much appreciated. Will checkout where Corrybeg is!
Julienne
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Resurrecting the conversation on Catherine Cameron from some time ago and wondered if anyone had been able to make any progress on the family of Mary Boyd and Allan Cameron who came on the " Utopia" to Portland 1854 from Ardgour Scotland.
Believe that Catherine married Donald McRae and remained in Portland. Deaths in 1906 and 1908 TROVE appears to be this Catherine and Donald.
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Hi
Yes these are my line
Julienne
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Corriebeg is on the north side of Loch Eil, between Kinlocheil & Fassfern, a farm by a railway crossing on the Fort William-Mallaig line.
Skoosh.
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thank You
Julienne
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I think we're looking for the same family lines here, "Camerons" etc, in and around the Fintry area of Stirlingshire. Many of the names/places and dates mentioned in this post tie in with my research/my family tree, including the name "Binnie".
Happy to share everything I have.......
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Hi
My grandmother was Mabel Binnie born in Banchory Devenick her father only one of family to come to Australia.
My Camerons are Allan Cameron b 1796 Fintry, who married Mary Boyd in 1820 in Lanarkshire They came to Australia on the utopia in 1854. Susan m a Henry Stone no other info. she died in 1903 in Hamilton Vic. my line is Catherine who m Donald Mcrae.
Mary not sure what happened to her there are so many Camerons on vic bdms I am not sure which are mine.
Julienne
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Corriebeg is on the north side of Loch Eil, between Kinlocheil & Fassfern, a farm by a railway crossing on the Fort William-Mallaig line.
See https://www.geograph.org.uk/gridref/NM9978
and Drimsallie https://www.geograph.org.uk/gridref/NM9380
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Fintray is a small village in Aberdeenshire. But I'm wondering if whoever filled out the papers misspelled that place name and it should in fact be Fintry which is in Stirlingshire.
There is also a Fintry on the northern outskirts of Dundee, though that probably has nothing to do with this query.
Fintry, Stirlingshire https://www.geograph.org.uk/gridref/NS6186
Fintry, Angus https://www.geograph.org.uk/gridref/NO4133
Fintry, Aberdeenshire https://www.geograph.org.uk/gridref/NJ7554 plus the aforementioned
Fintray, Aberdeenshire https://www.geograph.org.uk/gridref/NJ8416 which are two different places.
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Thank you I am sure it is Fintry
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Can anyone post a link to the 1854 voyage of the Utopia where the passenger lists have been obtained from in this topic? I can find many voyages of that ship but cannot see this 1854 voyage anywhere.
Many thanks....
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Hi
If you go to prooffice.vic.gov.au you can get the passenger list for the utopia.
I have a list of the Camerons.Julienne
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You can also still get it at www.scan.org.uk
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Doing a bit of research here and found this, thought it may be useful for some of you. Numerous Camerons listed spanning many voyages.
https://www.archives.sa.gov.au/sites/default/files/GRG56_68_3_Index%20to%20official%20Assisted%20passenger%20Lists%201847-1886_Beec-Coe_0.pdf
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Hi Blumpy gruff
Just wondering if you were able to get ships list for Utopia?
Are you related to Allan Cameron and Mary Boyd??
They are my 4xgparents.
Julienne
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Hi Julienne,
Sorry for the late response only I've just got back from a month up in Scotland, a fair bit of it spent in archives places. I was mainly focusing on Kirk Session minutes for the village of Fintry, 1750 to 1840, I now need to collate everything learned. I didn't actually find what I was looking for but did find a couple of very promising leads, which I'll follow up on now I'm home.
I'm not sure if it's of any interest but the name Binnie popped up a few times in those minutes. I didn't note down the details but thought I'd pass it on to you anyway.
I've not pursued the passenger lists of the Utopia yet, but intend to do so.
I definitely have an Allan Cameron in my research here, two in fact, but I'm not sure we're referring to the same person(s). Let me look into identifying details and I'll get back to you on the Allan Cameron detail.
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Mary m.s Boyd and Allan Cameron came to Victoria on the " Utopia" 1854 arriving in Victoria with daughter Mary Cameron and possible son Ewen Henderson- no further info ; daughter Sarah Cameron noted on shipping records as Susan went to work for Mr James Blair, Magistrate Portland and she possibly married Henry STONE ; daughter Catherine Cameron, domestic servant who married Donald McRae in 1855.
Catherine Cameron and Donald McRae appear to have a large family or more likely I am dealing with two different Victorian McRae families. BDM Vic and electoral records suggest 9 Children being:
Malcolm McRea died 1856 so likely their first born
David McRae born 1856
Sarah McRae born 1862
Flora McRae born 1863
Malcolm McRae born 1866
Catherine McRae born 1868
Effy McRae born 1868
Allan John Hugh McRae born 1873
Annie McRae born 1874
A headstone for Cath McRae parents Allan Cameron and Mary Boyd is at Sheep Hills, Victoria died 1906 aged 69year.
Donald McRae may be the man who is interred at lair in Portland South in 1908.
Electoral Roll 1903 and 1906 show a McRae family at has an address for some of the above at Wellington Road, Portland and family members at that address until 1937.
Help either confirming any of the above or linking children to another family other than Catherine Cameron daughter of Donald Boyd and Margery Cameron would assist. Happy to share info on Catherine's three siblings in Ardgour and Victoria. :-\
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Hi Carol
From shipping list of the UTOPIA Allan aged 49, Mary aged 48,Susan age 25 married Henry Stone, Mary aged 23, Cath aged 23 my gggrandmother who died 1906 and buried at Sheep Hills.,and Ewen aged 9 supposedly a grandson.
Catherine m Donald McRae from Isle of Skye and is buried in Horsham, they had David, Mary Jane my ggrandmother, Euphemia, Sarah Grace,Catherine who committed suicide age 17, Allan John Hugh who never married. I think you will find there are two Donald McRaes or more it is very conflicting.
Donald and Catherine farmed most of their lives at Sailors Home out of Horsham. That is where Catherine commited suicide. Allan lived in sheep Hills and part owned a butcher shop in Warracknabeal. If want more info get back in touch. Julienne (*)
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Hi Carol
I have just checked those names on vic bmd site
Malcolm Flora and Ann were all born in Portland to Donald and Catherine Campbell.
Malcolm 1856 Portland reg no 4189
Flora 1858 Portland reg no 16586
Ann b 1874 portland reg no 18260.
a Donald also m a Mary Mcdonald, a Donald also m a Cath McRae of Ballarat, Donald also m a Mary McLachlan, and a Donald m a Mary Cameron. all around same timeas my gggrandparents.
Julienne Where do you fit in I dont know who my Mary Cameron Married.
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Thanks for the update. :) wow that's a huge assistance. I am working on a project relating to the Boyd families in Ardgour, Kilmallie Parish with Boyd Family History Group in Pomberneit Victoria, Australia. My husband is a descendant of the same Boyd line as that family, only his great grandfather Duncan Boyd was one of the Boyd brothers who stayed in Blaich Ardgour and they are descendants of one of the four brothers that came to Victoria. My husband was a much later emigrant to Victoria and we met ( I'm a kiwi" ) while I was on my O/E - far too many years to tell ago. Descendants still farm the land in Blaich that was one of the initial crofts on the Maclean Estate and we travel back regularly. My late mother in law could verbally trace back six generations in her line and knew verbal history of families that migrated to Australia and NZ. Verbal history states Boyds assisted Maclean take by sword the lands of Ardgour from the McMasters with the permission of the Lord of the Isles ( 1432 timeframe). Over the years together with Boyd researchers sorted out our line and various links. As any rsearchers well know a lot of information was collected and this has developed into a project to see what linking to the original Kilmallie Parish Register Boyds is known to date. Some amazing stories have come to light. As you are aware a huge number came to Victoria. Thanks for assistance with this family line.
Of interest is that other Boyds linked to Ardgour and our family were also at Sheep Hills/ Minyup.
Re: Susan ( Sarah) Cameron STONE - check out the Victorian Police Gazette on Ancestry for discharges in Hamilton - 14 charges for Susan at last count and she was age 86 years at that time. I sure hope that prison was warm and the food bearable because she sure ended many of her partying sprees there.
re: Mary Boyd married Allan Cameron- there is a strong possibility that her youngest brother John BOYD born 1807 Scotland maybe the man who married Grace McFarlane and came out to Victoria in 1853 on the " Australia" and settled as a farmer at Limestone Creek Victoria.
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Hi Carol,
I have very little on my Allan Cameron and Mary Boyd family, as there are so many of same name I dont know which are mine. if you have any info to help would be appreciated. The McRaes all started off in Merino Victoria then Donald moved to Sailors Home. I don't belong to ancestry so would be interested to read susan/sarah's report. What families are you interested in in Minyip Sheep Hills my grandparents lived in Sheep Hills and know lots of info I did have several books on Sheep hills but gave them to museum earlier this year.
Julienne
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Have a little background on Mary Boyd's parents - Mary Boyd's father was Donald Boyd of Coorybeg,(according to 1841 Kilmallie census - modern day spelling Corribeg) and mother was Marjory Cameron. In the 1841 census Donald aged 78 years and Marjory 72years were at Corribeg and Donald's occupation is an agricultural labourer. Living with them were their son Alexander, wife Isabella and son Donald and daughter Mary Cameron ( nee Boyd) and three daughters Mary aged 12years, Sarah aged 10 years and Catherine aged 6 years. Corribeg would have been on the Cameron Estate.
Unfortunately to date have not found an Old Parish Register (OPR) birth for Donald but from the 1841 census he would have been born about 1763 at Corribeg. Records indicate another Boyd family who had moved across the waters of Loch Eil to the Cameron Estate in that early timeframe as well but apart from obviously being kin no closer relationship has been established.
Their eldest child recorded in OPR appears to be Ann born/baptised 22nd March 1795 and they were at Drumsaille on the McLean Estate in Ardgour at that time. To date have found Donald and Margery had a family of four
Ann Boyd 1795-1875 married John Young- descendants came to Australia
Mary Boyd 1798- unknown married Allan Cameron emigrated to Victoria Australia
Alexander Boyd 1805-1890 married Isabella McMillan later moved to Glasgow master wood sawyer
John Boyd born 1807 Corribeg - possibly died 1891 Vic - best fit is likely marriage to Grace McFarlane and they also came to Australia in 1853 on the " Australia" . On the ship with this family was Ewen Boyd and Ann Boyd (from two different family lines - Ann is within our family line) who eventually settled in Elmore, Victoria with large family. Ann's brother John married Catherine McLean had emigrated in 1852 to Victoria with their cousins (our family line). Ewen Boyd' s four brothers settled in Otago New Zealand and another brother Malcolm Boyd settled in Beaufort and after his death his wife Jane and sons moved to Minyup and this family have links to Sheep Hills. These Boyds were involved in their community and the Caledonian Band. Lovely photographs on Flickr Two Pennies of this family.
I has thought that it was a coincidence or networking within kin in Ardgour that had the two Boyd families were on the " Australia" together but fascinating to now know that your grandparents being at Sheep Hills. Scottish general network or kin network on work availability - guess will never know.
From the OPR Kilmallie records we have identified 14 Boyd family lines and their descendants but without OPR we cannot go back further. While those in the 1740+ timeframe would certainly have been close Boyd kin we cannot establish any closer relationship than that without primary evidence which given the time is just not available. What verbal history in Ardgour I have was just in relation to our direct family line. Wasn't interested in the wider subject at those times as was struggling to retain and document what my mother-in-law and her cousins knew on our line. Little verbal history on Boyd relationships documented from Victoria.
Would love to be able to insert some information on your grandparents in Sheep Hill and general social context into the story line of the family. Will post my email address to you direct box.