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Some Special Interests => Occupation Interests => Topic started by: Berlin-Bob on Thursday 23 May 13 14:44 BST (UK)
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Yesterday I "opened" the RootsChat database for Travelling People.
On a topic about water gypsys I put this query:
Today I "opened" the RootsChat database for Travelling People.
I wasn't sure about adding Water Gypsy" to the sub-groups, as I don't know if it's a "recognised" term. Please let me know what you think about this.
Another possibility (if there is enough interest) would be to make a separate group for Canal and River Boat people. Perhaps "Water Gypsys" would fit in there better ?
Bob
Topic: A RootsChat database for Travelling People
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,627642.0.html
Two responses:
I think it would be a great idea Bob. especially a group for canal people.
Frank.
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Yes Bob
I think it would be a good idea
I have so many of my grandmother's sister's who were bargees
Louisa Maud
Any more opinions on this ??
And what would be suitable sub-groups (if any) ?
Canal boats, River boats, Bargees, Pilots, .... ??
Bob
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No further feedback on this, but just out of curiosity to see how easy / difficult it would be, I added it anyway ;D
It took about 90 minutes to add a new group to the DBSIG, so if any any one else thinks a "RootsChat Database for XYZers" would be a good idea, let me know :)
I have implemented the following "sub groups" for starters; I can easily add more on request ...
- Watermen
- Canal boats
- River boats
- Bargees
- Tugs
- Pilots
- Lightermen
As usual, I have added a totally fictitious XBoater /XBoatee family, just to show what can be done.
(Use "Quick Search" and click on 'X')
Enjoy,
Bob
DBSIG access:
>> Reference Library (link at bottom of every RootsChat page)
>> DBSIG - Database for Special Interest Groups
>> Select "Watermen (Canal and River boats)"
or
http://surname.rootschat.com/lexicon/dbsig/index.php?dbsig_name=Watermen+%28Canal+and+River+boats%29
Example:
http://surname.rootschat.com/lexicon/dbsig/dbsig-quick-search.php?dbsig_num=3&letter=X&view=1883
Help Page:
http://surname.rootschat.com/lexicon/dbsig/dbsig-help.php?dbsig_num=2&show=gi#gi
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Ps.
Travelling People, Pork Butchers, Water people - the principle is the same, so I'll repeat the offer I made on the Traveller's board here for "Water people" ...
Special Offer:
When I was developing the Pork Butchers database, 2 RootsChatters sent me the results of their researches, one as an excel spreadsheet, and the other as a table in a WORD document.
I then converted these to SQL (a database language) and entered them directly into the database.
If you have any lists of "Travelling People", whether ancestors or as research findings, I am happy to do the same for you.
Please let me know and I'll send you a PM how to send me the files.
Bob
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This sounds a good idea, my husband's family were bargees on the Bath & Kennet Canal, so more info on their life & general history would be interesting.
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Wotcha chaps :)
I live on a historic wooden narrowboat, and have done all my life, (indeed this year my family celebrate owning her for 40 years!), I also make a living working a coal carrying narrowboat (also historic) and painting any of them that stay still for more then 5 minutes :-P
I'd be happy to help with the more mundane side of inland waterways history stuff, the boats themselves, how they were worked and thing like that.
Though id point out now that the men and women who worked the boats of all kinds would have been dreadfully insulted to be called either "water gypsy" or "bargee".. The few remaining boatmen still alive get terribly upset if theyre called these names! They were, and are,"boatmen" or "boaters". Even those on barges were not "bargees", its just a term that came 'off the bank' (the waterway term for people in houses') through lack of understanding about the boats; they thought, and many still do, that the boats in the many forms are all "barges"..
Anyway, I'd be happy to help with a waterways board if I can! It'd be an honour to speak on behalf of the boaters who have gone before me, and help people understand our way of life :)
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Wotcha chaps :)
I live on a historic wooden narrowboat, and have done all my life, (indeed this year my family celebrate owning her for 40 years!), I also make a living working a coal carrying narrowboat (also historic) and painting any of them that stay still for more then 5 minutes :-P
I'd be happy to help with the more mundane side of inland waterways history stuff, the boats themselves, how they were worked and thing like that.
Though id point out now that the men and women who worked the boats of all kinds would have been dreadfully insulted to be called either "water gypsy" or "bargee".. The few remaining boatmen still alive get terribly upset if theyre called these names! They were, and are,"boatmen" or "boaters". Even those on barges were not "bargees", its just a term that came 'off the bank' (the waterway term for people in houses') through lack of understanding about the boats; they thought, and many still do, that the boats in the many forms are all "barges"..
Anyway, I'd be happy to help with a waterways board if I can! It'd be an honour to speak on behalf of the boaters who have gone before me, and help people understand our way of life :)
Thank you so much for your definition of a true boatman, i am pleased to see that i am not the only one to get upset with the usage of water gypsy have even heard water rat used.I come from a line of 7 generations of working canal boatmen & have several family members still alive to listen to their tales.
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Just to clarify (or confuse?)
See: Worshipful Company of Watermen and Lightermen website.
Link http://www.watermenshall.org (http://www.watermenshall.org)
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I think that would be brilliant -I have boat people on both my parents side and my husbands side were a big family of barge people
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Well, the database is there, and has been available - "open for business" - since June 2013.
All it needs is that people add their watermen ancestors.
regards,
Bob
DBSIG access:
>> Reference Library (link at bottom of every RootsChat page)
>> DBSIG - Database for Special Interest Groups
>> Select "Watermen (Canal and River boats)"
or
http://surname.rootschat.com/lexicon/dbsig/index.php?dbsig_name=Watermen+%28Canal+and+River+boats%29
Example:
http://surname.rootschat.com/lexicon/dbsig/dbsig-quick-search.php?dbsig_num=3&letter=X&view=1883
Help Page:
http://surname.rootschat.com/lexicon/dbsig/dbsig-help.php?dbsig_num=2&show=gi#gi
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Hi, has this Watermen forum progressed? My greatgrandfather Thomas ROACH worked on the Dublin canals so would love to hear from you, thanks
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All it needs is that people add their watermen ancestors.
I have only supplied the database structure. It's up to the users to fill it with data :)
regards,
Bob
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Thanks but where can I find the data base?
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Sorry it's me again ;D
I think my family did not travel on the canals only worked on them.
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Thanks but where can I find the data base?
http://surname.rootschat.com/lexicon/dbsig/index.php?dbsig_name=Watermen+%28Canal+and+River+boats%29
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Situations vacant !
The DBSIG - Database for Special Interest Groups was created with the aims of
- creating searchable lists of special interests groups
- finding connections and (hopefully) family links between RootsChatters with similar research interests
The database "Watermen (Canal and Riverboat People)" presently has 21 entries. In order to make it into a useful research tool, we need more entries.
This presents some employment possibilities for you !
There are three types of job being offered:
- Entering your own "Canal and River Boat People" data : No further application is needed - just do it :)
- Transcribers : Even if you aren't researching these people yourselves, you can still transcribe data for the database. For instance, you may have found official documents for your ancestors (Census returns, etc.) and there are other Canal and River Boat People in these documents. Please add them to the database; someone else might be searching for these people.
No further application is needed - just do it :)
By the way: if you have already collected data in Word tables, Excel tables, CSV files, GEDCOM files or XML files, I can probably convert and transfer these files directly into the database :)
- Data Coordinators ("Door to Door Salespeople"): Not every RootsChatter with "Watermen" ancestors will read this posting, so we need a few people who are prepared to browse RootsChat topics and seek out "candidates" for the database. They will then contact the original poster and ask whether
- the OP would like to enter their data in the database.
- or if the coordinator should enter the data for them.
Not every Rootschatter will want their data to be entered in the database so it is important to ask first, and respect their wishes.
Please send me a PM if you wish to apply.
Bob
DBSIG Caretaker
DBSIG access:
» Reference Library (http://surname.rootschat.com/lexicon/) (link at bottom of every RootsChat page)
» DBSIG - Database for Special Interest Groups (http://surname.rootschat.com/lexicon/dbsig/index.php)
» Select "Canal and Riverboats (Watermen)"
or direct » http://surname.rootschat.com/lexicon/dbsig/index.php?dbsig_name=Watermen+%28Canal+and+River+boats%29
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This offer is also open for Watermen and Waterwomen :)
(while stocks last !!)*
Hi All,
I have just added 90 "Travellers" to the database. I did this by converting a Word document supplied by a RootsChatter and converting the data to database format.
Just a reminder, in case anybody else has data they would like to add to the database but doesn't fancy typing it all in :)
Special Offer:
When I was developing the Pork Butchers database, 2 RootsChatters sent me the results of their researches, one as an excel spreadsheet, and the other as a table in a WORD document.
I then converted these to SQL (a database language) and entered them directly into the database.
If you have any lists of "Travelling People", whether ancestors or as research findings, I am happy to do the same for you.
Please let me know and I'll send you a PM how to send me the files.
Bob
*Stocks of feeling helpfull ;D
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FindMyPast released 3 Waterman datasets today which prompted me to enter what I hope will turn out to be my 4G-grandfather to the database
London, Watermen in Royal Navy, 1803-1809
This collection holds lists of Watermen impressed into the Royal Navy during the Napoleonic wars - several on the HMS Victory at the Battle of Trafalgar.
London, List of Free Watermen, 1827
This "mini-census" of watermen from 1827 details 5,400 names of watermen in London.
London, Watermen, Birth Register of Contracted Men, 1865-1921
This register lists over 1,400 apprentices of the Worshipful Company of Waterman and Lighterman. You'll discover their birth or baptism date and place of birth.