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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => England => Devon => Topic started by: blake1 on Tuesday 28 May 13 12:35 BST (UK)
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:D Hi, I have decided to start my search again with a clean slate to cut out the confusion.
;) Looking for the birth of James Bradley around1826-he says Tamerton Devon & hopefully his parents.
James & Susan are not the right parents on the 1941 census!
James married Sarah Gower in Australia in 1851and their first child Eliza Agnes was born there 1852 & may have been christened in Lambeth surrey 1853.
The next 2 children on the register share the same Surname and address!!
I am wondering if there is any family connection with James.
Cheers Ken
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:D Hi, I have decided to start my search again with a clean slate to cut out the confusion.
This is the previous post to avoid duplication of effort ;)
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,619599.0.html
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Hi
The next 2 children on the register share the same Surname and address!!
I am wondering if there is any family connection with James.
I dont know if this will help but here is the information from the 1861 census re Joseph George Bradley, the next family on the baptism register.
RG 9/350/131/4 98 Waterloo Road. Lambeth
Joseph George Bradley 57 Engineer Labourer Grimsby Lincolnshire
Charlotte Bradley 46 Brushford Somerset
Charlotte Bradley 7 Lambeth
Alice Bradley 7 Lambeth
Emily Bradley 5 Lambeth
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Marriage
Joseph George Bradley
Charlotte Blackmore
June quarter 1851
Lambeth
4 286
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There is a marriage in 25 May 1851 in Lambeth Surrey between Charlotte Blackmore and Joseph George Bradley widower engineer with Joseph's father listed as Benjamin Bradley shoemaker deceased
Kay
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A possibility for Joseph in 1851
Francis Street, Lambeth
H0107/1570 f510 p9
William Millbank 39 bn Chelmsford, Essex
Eliza Millbank 39 bn Chelmsford, Essex
Mary Ann dtr 10 bn Lambeth
Joseph Bradley Lodger 49 Widower occ Engineers labourer bn Lincoln, Lincolnshire
John Johnson Lodger 42 bn Poplar
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The address at the time of the christening of the Bradleys in 1853 of 10, Lambeth Square, Lambeth was the home of Charlotte Blackmore and her family in 1851 with her mother Sarah running it as a lodging house.
Kay
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Joseph George has died by 1871 and Charlotte and her 3 daughters are living at Russell St, Little St George, Bloomsbury, London
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If James was born about 1826, he is probably too young to be Joseph George's brother but is it possible that he was his son? There is about 21 years between them.
Can anyone find either of them in 1841?
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:D Hi all, It's good to be back.
I did think Joseph George could be James' father or an uncle! ...perhaps from Josephs' first marriage. :-\ Which might show the Devon connection.
Thanks Ken
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As they are both called Bradley, if there is a connection it should be either his father or his father's brother, so Joseph's first marriage wont make any difference. The fact that James had his daughter baptised at the same time that Joseph had his twin daughters baptised makes me think that the relationship is a close one ie father rather than uncle.
Joseph is pretty consistent about the fact that he comes from Lincolnshire, but I cant see him in the 1841 census. As we know from Joseph's marriage that his father was Benjamin you need to try and find them in the parish records.
If you know that James married in Australia in 1851, have you got that certificate - does that give his parents' names? What happened to James after the baptism, did he return to Australia?
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:) Hi, I have all the census records for James and Sarah and the dates of their deaths.
James went to Australia in 1849 met and married Sarah gower who had gone out in 1850 as a needle woman...had a child Eliza Agnes in oz then the three came back to U.K. where we see the child christened in Lambeth, they all stayed in the U.K.
The Australian marriage cert,. had no useful details at that time...Names & age only, no parents.
Cheers Ken
p.s. If James is the son of Joseph...the first marriage is important as the wife might be James' mother. perhaps in Devon!!! :D Thank again.
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I still cant find Joseph in 1841 - he isn't the one in Lincolnshire as that one is still there in later censuses. Have you found James in 1841?
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Hi, Sorry...the only one I could find in the right place with a birth 1826 was the James mentioned on the first page, which we now know is wrong. Frustrating!!!
Devon record office as just sent a James George Bradley baptized 1823 Stoke damerel, parents Thomas & Dinah. But I cannot find them on 1841 census...the only definite we have is James married Sarah Gower, my G.Grandmother.
Many thanks Ken.
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:D Hi, It's been a while: I am now thinking that the Bradley family at this time could have been Non-conformists.
There are little indications...Bradley & Ford brewhouse, Grimsby. licenced for worship by Calvanists 1799!! also a Bradley signed the dissenters cert; Grainthorpe 1802 + several Bradleys as Methodist.
Benjamin Bradley Marriages : To Ann Clark at Grainthorpe 1771, Ann Dowman at Grainthorpe 1755 & Ann Locking at Raithby 1779.
Sadly Grainthorpe's not near Grimby...
also Joseph George Bradley died 26-3-1863 a Non-conformist and was living 8 Dukes St, Lambeth & buried Hackney Cemetary, near Victoria Park...now an open space.
I understand Non-conformist weddings had to be recorded in later years in a church.
and am now wondering if Joseph's first marriage was non-conformist along with James's birth.
Many thank. Ken
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;D Hi, I've just revisited the Merchant Seamans record. BT113 kew Records.
James Bradley Born 29-May-1826. Tamerton Devon...at least this may give a date to pursue.
His Regestered ticket Number is 30248
Started an apprentice at sea 1840 age 19..this may be why he's not on 1841 Census.
Did they have the census on ship or in the shipyards that early on?!!
Cheers Ken.
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Only if they were ashore.
http://www.mariners-l.co.uk/UKCensuses.html
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;) Hi, Thanks for that Groom.
I have an open question but didn't know where to ask.
On the England 1841 Census: The printed details tell where a person was born but on the original it only says Y or N...? ie; in or out of the area. How do they know?
Many thanks Ken.
p.s.Now I have to find Joseph George Bradleys 1st marriage between 1820-27 to ( Who, When and Where ).
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I have an open question but didn't know where to ask.
On the England 1841 Census: The printed details tell where a person was born but on the original it only says Y or N...? ie; in or out of the area. How do they know?
New thread on this subject here http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=697102.msg5404610#msg5404610
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:) Hi, 'Lincolnshire Masters apprentices' has a Benjamin Bradley, apprentice Cordwainer to one Thomas Makey at Grainthorpe in about 1771.
I have been told that these Bradleys in Grainthorpe were very keen Methodists.
So I'm hoping to find,
Benjamin's B.M.D.
Marriage of Joseph George Bradley to his first wife 1818-27. Lincolnshire/Devon.
Death of this first wife 1826-51. Devon/London. If they are Methodist, the children were not baptized as such.
I now feel as everyone else, that this is a family connection.
Kind regards Ken.