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Title: Look up, Rookwood Cemetery..
Post by: kimmiesdad on Sunday 02 June 13 21:52 BST (UK): Hi. I am trying to find information Re: Ellen Mansfield who was buried in the Church of England section in Rookwood Cemetery on June 29 1916 and also if her husband, Ephraim Mansfield is buried in Rookwood.
I have found out that the information on BDM re: their marriage, is incorrect as it has Ellens maiden name as being Asekeller and it appears as though that name doesn't exist anywhere. It also shows that they were married in Erskinville NSW and no one at the church can help me verify what her maiden name was as I was told there are no records at the church from the year they were married.
I recently found Ellen's funeral notice which was in the Sydney Morning Herald dated June 29 1916 and it showed her as being the wife of Mr E Mansfield but like Ellen, after 10 years of searching I cannot find any trace as his death, hence my question, is he also in Rookwood.
Can anyone help..
Graham
Title: Re: Look up, Rookwood Cemetery..
Post by: Neil Todd on Sunday 02 June 13 23:01 BST (UK): Hi Kimmiesdad,

George Ephraim Mansfied was born at Rylston NSW ref # 19885/1876. The son of William and Elizabeth Mansfield. He married Under his 2nd name to Your Ellen Asekeller.

He married her under his middle name of Ephraim but his death is recorded at Concord Sydney in 1949 under his correct 1st name the ref # is 11269/1949.

I will look and see if they are buried together.

Neil
Title: Re: Look up, Rookwood Cemetery..
Post by: giblet on Sunday 02 June 13 23:15 BST (UK): There must be 2 of the same name or he married twice ???

3420/1869 MANSFIELD EPHRAIM ..... BARNABY SOPHIA RYLSTONE
3980/1899 MANSFIELD EPHRAIM ...... ASEKELLER ELLEN
----------------------------------

There was a George Ephraim Mansfield seeking restitution of conjugal rights against Sarah Teresa Mansfield (formerly Maher] in 1911

http://trove.nla.gov.au/ndp/del/article/15209056?searchTerm=%22Ephraim%20Mansfield%22&searchLimits=exactPhrase=+Ephraim+Mansfield
Title: Re: Look up, Rookwood Cemetery..
Post by: Neil Todd on Sunday 02 June 13 23:28 BST (UK): I think the other may be a possible brother to William Mansfield as his marriage is 1869 as George Ephraim Mansfield wasn't born utill 1876.

Of course it could be the same Ephraim Mansfield with two marriages as you have. I saw that earlier marriage and dismissed it ::)

Neil
Title: Re: Look up, Rookwood Cemetery..
Post by: kimmiesdad on Sunday 02 June 13 23:37 BST (UK): Hi guys and thanks for your replies but the George Ephraim you mention is not the Ephraim I am looking for.. Ephraim was George Ephraims uncle and was born in England. He was just a lad when he arrived here with his family, George (father) and Marie(mother) formely Hurst..
Title: Re: Look up, Rookwood Cemetery..
Post by: giblet on Sunday 02 June 13 23:40 BST (UK): I cant find the funeral notice for Ellen in the SMH dated June 29 1916 ???
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Post by: kimmiesdad on Sunday 02 June 13 23:55 BST (UK): Hi Gilbert,, try googling sydney morning herald june 29 1961
Title: Re: Look up, Rookwood Cemetery..
Post by: sparrett on Monday 03 June 13 00:10 BST (UK): Just a reminder that this couple has been looked at previously

http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,646935.msg4936128.html#msg4936128

Sue
Title: Re: Look up, Rookwood Cemetery..
Post by: Neil Todd on Monday 03 June 13 01:00 BST (UK): It would have been better to post on the original thread and or at least answer the last post on the earlier thread.

Neil
Title: Re: Look up, Rookwood Cemetery..
Post by: kimmiesdad on Monday 03 June 13 02:45 BST (UK): Sorry Neil but I am new at this and don't understand threads etc. The questions I have asked previously were asking for info about Ephraim and Ellen but the look up I am asking for about rookwood cemetery is to try and find out what inscriptions if any are on her headstone if she indeed has one.. My apologies if I have gone about it the wrong way..
Title: Re: Look up, Rookwood Cemetery..
Post by: Dundee on Monday 03 June 13 03:15 BST (UK): Ellen's funeral notices:

http://trove.nla.gov.au/ndp/del/article/15647199

Do you know who all these people are? Surely we can work out her correct surname from this.

Debra :)
Title: Re: Look up, Rookwood Cemetery..
Post by: sparrett on Monday 03 June 13 03:40 BST (UK): A GEORGE EPHRAIM connected to the WILLCOX family

Deaths

34566 Yr1967    WILLCOX GEORGE EPHRAIM parents GEORGE EPHRAIM & EMILY AMELIA at PEAK HILL

10134 Yr 1938    WILLCOX ALLEN MILTON parents   GEORGE EPHRAIM & ETHEL PHYLLIS at PEAK HILL

201664 Yr 1980    WILLCOX LESLIE GEORGE parents    GEORGE EPHRAIM & PHYLLIS ETHEL
Sue
Title: Re: Look up, Rookwood Cemetery..
Post by: Dundee on Monday 03 June 13 03:49 BST (UK): Well, a memorial for Ellen in 1917 is from her daughter and daughter's husband "E., W., WILLCOX".

The daughter was Emily - her funeral notices (AKINES has changed to AKINS, and we are back to WILLCOCKS).

Some confusing relationships in there.

http://trove.nla.gov.au/ndp/del/article/15977445

...and I can't find her death reg. :P

Debra :)
Title: Re: Look up, Rookwood Cemetery..
Post by: Dundee on Monday 03 June 13 03:53 BST (UK): Yes I can.

570/1922
WELLCOCKS, EMILY
Parents: JOHN & ELLEN
Reg. at REDFERN

Sorry, not finding Ephraim, but the trail of breadcrumbs might lead to him ;D

Debra :)
Title: Re: Look up, Rookwood Cemetery..
Post by: Neil Todd on Monday 03 June 13 03:59 BST (UK): Who's JOHN ???

Neil ::)
Title: Re: Look up, Rookwood Cemetery..
Post by: giblet on Monday 03 June 13 04:05 BST (UK): Quote from: kimmiesdad on Monday 03 June 13 02:45 BST (UK)
Sorry Neil but I am new at this and don't understand threads etc. The questions I have asked previously were asking for info about Ephraim and Ellen but the look up I am asking for about rookwood cemetery is to try and find out what inscriptions if any are on her headstone if she indeed has one.. My apologies if I have gone about it the wrong way..

Just a thought but i wonder if a email to the cemetery could be worthwhile. I have had terrific help from some cemeteries so hopefully Rookwood might be the same.
Title: Re: Look up, Rookwood Cemetery..
Post by: Dundee on Monday 03 June 13 04:11 BST (UK): Quote from: Neil Todd on Monday 03 June 13 03:59 BST (UK)
Who's JOHN ???

Neil ::)

Ellen was quite old when she married Ephraim and possibly had multiple previous marriages/relationships.

Debra :)
Title: Re: Look up, Rookwood Cemetery..
Post by: cando on Monday 03 June 13 04:14 BST (UK): Buried at Rookwood Anglican Section 5 Row 36 Grave#4813, 4814

Emma MANSFIELD
20 June 1916 72 years
My Mother

At the same location

Emily WILLCOCKS
11 Feb 1922 61 years
My wife

William WILLCOCKS
6 Oct 1931 80 years
Husband of above

Cando
Title: Re: Look up, Rookwood Cemetery..
Post by: cando on Monday 03 June 13 04:16 BST (UK): Typo....should be ELLEN not Emma

Cando
Title: Re: Look up, Rookwood Cemetery..
Post by: giblet on Monday 03 June 13 04:26 BST (UK): A marriage maybe?? for

6052/1897 WILLCOCKS WILLIAM HAWKINS EMILY NEWTOWN
Title: Re: Look up, Rookwood Cemetery..
Post by: cando on Monday 03 June 13 04:27 BST (UK): Death
17045/1931
WILLCOCKS William 80 years Rockdale
Mother Ann
District Rockdale

Cando :)
Title: Re: Look up, Rookwood Cemetery..
Post by: cando on Monday 03 June 13 04:36 BST (UK): Quote from: giblet on Monday 03 June 13 04:26 BST (UK)
A marriage maybe?? for

6052/1897    WILLCOCKS    WILLIAM    HAWKINS    EMILY    NEWTOWN

Marriage of daughter from ?first marriage
2867/1900
LOVELOCK    GEORGE J
HAWKINS    ELLEN E
SYDNEY

Sydney Morning Herald

MANSFIELD- The Friends of Mr and Mrs J. LOVELOCK of South Ashfield are invited to attend the funeral of their late beloved GRANDMOTHER Ellen Mansfield to leave 19½ Henderson Road, Alexandria, THIS DAY at 1 p m for Church of England Cemetery, Rookwood

Cando
Title: Re: Look up, Rookwood Cemetery..
Post by: giblet on Monday 03 June 13 04:44 BST (UK): Oh gee i've gotten all confused now :'(
Title: Re: Look up, Rookwood Cemetery..
Post by: sparrett on Monday 03 June 13 04:50 BST (UK): A birth to tie with the death

6112/1899 WILLCOX GEORGE E Parents GEORGE E & EMILY A at PEAK HILL

Sue
Title: Re: Look up, Rookwood Cemetery..
Post by: cando on Monday 03 June 13 04:55 BST (UK): This one has me puzzled...wonder if the surname is incorrect.

MANSFIELD -The Friends of Mr and Mrs AKINES of Darlinghurst are invited to attend the funeral of their late beloved GRANDMOTHER, Ellen Mansfield to leave 191/2 Henderson Road, Alexandria THIS DAY at 1 p m for Church of England Cemetery, Rookwood

Australian Electoral Roll
1903 Robertson/Ilford
MANSFIELD Ellen Round Swamp Domestic Duties
MANSFIED Ephraim Round Swamp Labourer

1903
WILLCOCKS William 19 Henry Street Ashfield Clerk

1903 South Sydney/Redfern
LOVELOCK George James 22 Zamia Street, Redfern Traveller
LOVELOCK Ellen E 22 Samia Street, Redfern Domestic duties

Cando
Title: Re: Look up, Rookwood Cemetery..
Post by: Dundee on Monday 03 June 13 05:36 BST (UK): The name is AKINS in Emily's funeral notice. This one maybe?

Marriage

4633/1914
AKINS, ROY
WILLCOX, ETHEL G
at SYDNEY

Births

27993/1895
HAWKINS, ETHEL G
Mother: EMILY
WATERLOO

37501/1892
HAWKINS, FLORENCE M
Mother: EMILY
WATERLOO

Also mentioned in Emily's funeral notices?

Marriage

7197/1910
MCKIRDY, THOMAS J
WILLCOX, FLORENCE

So have we established that Ellen's surname was HAWKINS at some stage prior to marrying Ephraim?

Debra :)
Title: Re: Look up, Rookwood Cemetery..
Post by: rosball on Monday 03 June 13 05:38 BST (UK): Memoriam notices for Ellen Willcocks mention daughter Nellie and husband George (and grandson). Also daughter Ethel and Roy (and their children)
http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article28078280

This one says her children are Nellie, Ethel and Ben
http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article16120612

Probate notice http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article28082215
and http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article28083300

regards,
Ros
Title: Re: Look up, Rookwood Cemetery..
Post by: Neil Todd on Monday 03 June 13 05:42 BST (UK): Quote from: cando on Monday 03 June 13 04:55 BST (UK)
This one has me puzzled...wonder if the surname is incorrect.

MANSFIELD -The Friends of Mr and Mrs AKINES of Darlinghurst are invited to attend the funeral of their late beloved GRANDMOTHER, Ellen Mansfield to leave 191/2 Henderson Road, Alexandria THIS DAY at 1 p m for Church of England Cemetery, Rookwood
1903
Cando

There are no deaths and no births in the surname AKINES in NSW ???

But there both in the Name ARKINS
More twists and turns than a cut snake this family :o
Neil
Title: Re: Look up, Rookwood Cemetery..
Post by: rosball on Monday 03 June 13 05:53 BST (UK): Florence McKirdy memoriam http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article15811402 from her sisters
Ethel and Roy Akins and Nellie and George Lovelock and her loving mother and father E Willcocks

regards
Ros

adding : another one which also mention brother and sister-in-law George and Lucy Willcocks and brother and sister-in-law Alf and Annie Willcocks
http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article15625351
and this one http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article15692407
Title: Re: Look up, Rookwood Cemetery..
Post by: Dundee on Monday 03 June 13 05:57 BST (UK): You're not wrong Neil! ;D

Emily's burial indictates she was born around 1861, so no spring chicken (well, at least not a young unmarried girl) when she had Ethel and Florence.

Debra :)
Title: Re: Look up, Rookwood Cemetery..
Post by: cando on Monday 03 June 13 06:22 BST (UK): Quote from: kimmiesdad on Sunday 02 June 13 21:52 BST (UK)
Hi. I am trying to find information Re: Ellen Mansfield who was buried in the Church of England section in Rookwood Cemetery on June 29 1916 and also if her husband, Ephraim Mansfield is buried in Rookwood.
I have found out that the information on BDM re: their marriage, is incorrect as it has Ellens maiden name as being Asekeller and it appears as though that name doesn't exist anywhere. It also shows that they were married in Erskinville NSW and no one at the church can help me verify what her maiden name was as I was told there are no records at the church from the year they were married.
I recently found Ellen's funeral notice which was in the Sydney Morning Herald dated June 29 1916 and it showed her as being the wife of Mr E Mansfield but like Ellen, after 10 years of searching I cannot find any trace as his death, hence my question, is he also in Rookwood.
Can anyone help..
Graham

Do you have the marriage certificate which should have her signature?

Parish Registers...Read the link...

http://acms.sl.nsw.gov.au/item/itemdetailpaged.aspx?itemid=446424
Originals in the Sydney Diocesan Archives, St James' Hall, Philip Street, Sydney N.S.W.
Descriptive lists available in SAG [Society of Australian Genealogists] File Index in Manuscript and Newspaper Reading Rooms

3980/1899
MANSFIELD Ephraim
ASEKELLER    Ellen
District Newtown

From another thread
Quote
The only information I have is what is on the Marriage certificate, which I will include here.

Bride Ellen Asekeller
Status Widow
Place of Birth Berkshire, England
Age 48
Usual Residence Alexandria ( Suburb of Sydney NSW)
Father William Bennett
Mother Ann Eustace
Married 15 Apr 1899 Holy Trinity Church Erskineville NSW Aust
Nola

District Abingdon includes Garford, Berkshire

Marriages Sep 1837
BENNETT    William Abingdon    6/155
EUSTICE    Ann     Abingdon    6/155

Births Jun 1840
BENNETT Ellen Abingdon 6/133

1851 Census HO107/1688/112/3
Living at Garford, Berkshire
BENNETT William Head Married 40 years Ag Lab Born Berkshire, Garford
BENNETT Ann Wife Married Born 30 years Born Berkshire, Garford
BENNETT Hellen Dau 10 years Born Berkshire, Garford
BENNETT Eliza Dau 6 years Born Berkshire, Garford
BENNETT Alfred Son 4 years Born Berkshire, Garford
BENNETT James Son 2 years Born Berkshire, Garford

Cando :)
Title: Re: Look up, Rookwood Cemetery..
Post by: Dundee on Monday 03 June 13 06:38 BST (UK): This is quite exciting, but I wish FamilySearch had gotten there first.

http://www.archives.anglican.asn.au/index.php/p2/family_history

"We are currently planning a mass digitization project with Ancestry.com which will provide even wider public access to the information contained in our baptism, confirmation, marriage and burial registers."

Debra :)
Title: Re: Look up, Rookwood Cemetery..
Post by: Neil Todd on Monday 03 June 13 07:50 BST (UK): So little Ellen ASEKELLER (Nee BENNETT) Married possibly several times prior to marriage at AGE 58/59 in 1899 to Ephraim MANSFIELD and was 76YO at her death in 1916.

I don't know why but something tells me it may be important to find who her previous husband/'s were and when they became deceased. ::) MAYBE.

Neil
Title: Re: Look up, Rookwood Cemetery..
Post by: Neil Todd on Monday 03 June 13 07:57 BST (UK): Hmm

Name Ellen Bennett Year of Marriage 1873 Quarter Jul-Aug-Sep Registration District Bradfield
Registration County Berkshire.

SPOUSE William AKET

Neil
Title: Re: Look up, Rookwood Cemetery..
Post by: cando on Monday 03 June 13 08:17 BST (UK): Mentioned on one of the linked threads Neil ;) Along with the census info I typed up ::)

If she is the dau of Wm and Ann BENNETT on the 1851 census, then born 1840 reg district Abingdon which covers Garford, Berkshire. Possibly not accurate with her age on the marriage cert.

SAG have already transcribed many registers as mentioned in the link to the State Library of NSW.

Cando
Title: Re: Look up, Rookwood Cemetery..
Post by: Neil Todd on Monday 03 June 13 08:26 BST (UK): This is the fellow Aket BIRTH Then.
Name William Akett
Year of Registration 1838 Quarter Jan-Feb-Mar Registration District Cockermouth County of Cumberland

Neil
Title: Re: Look up, Rookwood Cemetery..
Post by: sparrett on Monday 03 June 13 09:49 BST (UK): I wonder if EPHRAIM was the informant on ELLEN's Death Certificate.

Whoever it was. It would be interesting to see what they knew about ELLEN.

Sue
Title: Re: Look up, Rookwood Cemetery..
Post by: kimmiesdad on Monday 03 June 13 22:48 BST (UK): Hi Cando.. I am a little confused.. In one of your posts yesterday you mention Emma Mansfield buried 20 June 1916 and I think you said that Emma was your mum and then you posted again and said "typo" should be Ellen..
I called Rookwood Cemetery yesterday afternoon enquiring about Ellen and I was told that Ellen is indeed buried there but the date of her burial was June 29 1916.. Interestingly, they also told me that there are two others buried with her at the same site. Can you enlighten me at all???
Title: Re: Look up, Rookwood Cemetery..
Post by: rosball on Monday 03 June 13 23:35 BST (UK): Excuse me butting in - Cando is not related, she is a very clever researcher on the forum.

The "My mother" is the inscription on the grave of Ellen. On the gravestone it says ...

Ellen MANSFIELD
20 June 1916 72 years
My Mother

Emily WILLCOCKS
11 Feb 1922 61 years
My wife

William WILLCOCKS
6 Oct 1931 80 years
Husband of above

regards,
Ros
Title: Re: Look up, Rookwood Cemetery..
Post by: kimmiesdad on Monday 03 June 13 23:47 BST (UK): Thank you for that Ros.. I didn't realise the information was from the gravestone and it was obvious that Cando could not be Ellens child because of Ellens death being in 1916..
Title: Re: Look up, Rookwood Cemetery..
Post by: rosball on Monday 03 June 13 23:53 BST (UK): That's OK Kimmiedad - the information comes flooding in on this forum (they are so clever :) )
and it's often too fast to absorb properly for most of us.

cheers,
Ros

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