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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => England => Lancashire => Topic started by: HarrisonHart on Saturday 15 June 13 15:45 BST (UK)
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I am having lots of troubles but immediate trouble with tracing info on my Granny Annie Harrison whose maiden name was HART.
My Grandparents were William James 'Jimmy' Harrison and Annie (Nee Hart).
The married in St Francis of Assisi RC church in 1919 and had 11 kids.
My Grandad WJ 'Jimmy' Harrison was from Garston, his parents Catherine (Kate) Gill and Edward (Ned) Harrison Lived next to each other in Vulcan Street (numbers 5 and 7) before marrying in St Francis of Assisi RC Church in 1895.
My Grandad WJ 'Jimmy' Harrison and Granny Annie Harrison (Nee Hart) always lived under the bridge in the married lives, in Vulcan Street to start with and ultimately 80 King St. So from the 1920s to the 1970s thats where they lived as a couple with their kids. Well grandad died in 1960 and in the 70s granny moved to the tenniments and there passed away in 1981.
I know of one sibling for Grandad - Emily (Nee Harrison; Wife of Tommy Mcnamara) (they also lived under the bridge)
And one sibling for Granny - Mary (Nee Hart; Wife of Andrew Doolan, married in 1912) (also lived under the bridge I think)
In both cases - No idea if there were more siblings.
It seems Mary Hart was born in about 1893. And my Granny Annie Hart was apparently born in 1894ish, if I believe the newspaper obituarys I have which say she died in 1981 aged 87.
I personally wonder if Annie was born more like 1896/7/8. My dad thought his mother was born in 1897 but doesn't know why he thought that.
Its of little value but it seems my grandad was born in 1895 so if the obituarys of granny are right, granny was about a year and a half to two years older than grandad. And if she WAS born in 1894 she didn't marry till she was 25 and still went on to have 11 kids, the youngest when she was 46 ??? I struggle to see it. Makes more sense to me that she married aged 20/21/22 and was at most 41/42/43 when pregnant with her youngest. 22 years of having kids every 2 years!
I am really struggling to place Mary and Annie in either the 1901 or 1911 census. Its possible by the 1911 census that Mary was independent I guess, or that both Mary and Annie were in Industrial Schools by then and registered as separate inmates? (struggling to get my head around whether industrial schools were schools or 'homes' for poor and orphaned kids)
But where were they in 1901? Even if 1911 is difficult to figure out, 1901 should not be.
My dad thinks that they either came from Garston or Woolton. The reason for thinking of woolton is tenuous but still, possible. Its that granny went completely deaf in her younger years working in the bobbin works in Garston. This meant she didn't keep very up to date with the world, and kept to just the people she knew (she had loads of kids, lived next to the Vic pub and knew plenty of people in King Street to keep her busy). Yet dad recalls her getting visits off someone known as 'the bear of Woolton'... possibly a person with mental health issues. She referred to him AS ' the bear of Woolton ' which means she knew him before she went deaf. It piqued dads interest that she referred to this man as such, and in any event - why would someone from Woolton come to visit her when Garston had always been her home and she never had reason to leave there or make associations out of the area as an adult? He seems to have been someone possibly from her childhood.
I found a Mary and Annie, children to a Thomas and Maria which MIGHT fit. Mary being born in St Helens in about 1893, Annie being born in Garston in about 1896/7 and them all living in Much Woolton in the 1901 census, where Maria was from; Thomas being from 'Liverpool'. Fits except for Annies alleged birth being in 1894.
Theres also a couple of Mary and Annie Harts being children in L'pool and Lancashire in general, but none fitting Annie being born in 1894.
If anyone has ideas. Knows anything about these people. Knows REALLY old people (affectionately speaking LOL. I should say 'Wise Elders' from under the bridge) from King Street area that might know my relatives. Or can shed light on the bear of woolton - let me know!
Looking to make contact with ALL RELATIVES so please get in touch if you are related or know of my family.
PS I was born and live in Australia and only spent a bit of time in Garston over the years, none at all since the mid 90s, so whilst passionate about the place, my knowledge of it is incomplete (so if you know anything, give lots of detail haha) :)
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I guess, or that both Mary and Annie were in Industrial Schools by then and registered as separate inmates? (struggling to get my head around whether industrial schools were schools or 'homes' for poor and orphaned kids)
Welcome to RootsChat
An industrial school was a residential school established under the Reformatories and Industrial Schools Act 1857 to provide vocational education for children in need in England and Wales. Merged with reformatories to create the approved school system in 1933.
Children were lodged, clothed and fed, as well as taught in the schools. Industrial schools were chiefly for vagrant and neglected children and children not convicted of theft. They wanted preventive, not punitive treatment, and for them Industrial Schools were instituted. Such schools were for children up to the age of fourteen, and the limit of detention was sixteen. They were regulated by the Children Act 1908, which repealed the Industrial Schools Act 1866, as amended by Acts of 1872,1891 and 1901. See http://www.workhouses.org.uk/IS/
Stan
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Hi
Do you have your grandmother's marriage certificate? It should hopefully show her father's name.
Heather
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Thanks for the welcome and for explaining that Stan. Helps me with my grandad too as I think he was in an industrial school as he told my dad he was somewhere where they would lock him up and pass food thru a hole in the door and whip him over the hands, but it was not prison, and was as a young boy/teen.
Hi
Do you have your grandmother's marriage certificate? It should hopefully show her father's name.
Heather
Not yet Heather, I have about 60-80 cousins so am working through them trying to find the original before purchasing a copy. I also have a bad feeling her dad wont be listed on it, due to the trouble I am having finding them on the censuses and the fact nobody in the family seems to know anything about grannys family. Should just bight the bullet and buy the certificate but then if a relative has it I will feel a bit stupid LOL.
Angela
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1901 census Garston,
RG13/3507
Catherine Doolan,aged 38,born Ireland,
Andrew Doolan aged 16,general labourer born Ireland
Anna S Doolan aged 14
Catherine Doolan aged 10,
Annie Doolan aged 8
Francis Doolan aged 6,
Bridget Doolan aged 5,
Mary Doolan aged 3
Patrick Doolan aged 2
Margaret Doolan aged 11 months
all children born Garston,with the exception of Andrew,
1891 census has Andrew with his parents in Garston,father John,
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I think these are the details you have pondered over
1901 Rodick st, Much Woolton
Thomas Hart 40yrs born in Ireland
Maria 32 born Woolton
Mary 8yrs born St Helens
Annie 4yrs born Garston
This you might find worth having a look at
The girls have a slight name change 10 years later to Maria and Anna, Thomas still states he came from a place in Ireland and Maria is in the factory that her sister Annie goes into :) I think your dad could be right about Annie's birth date...see what you think. sorry due to copy rights I'm unable to give you the details.pm me if you cant find them.
Forgot to say you need to make at least three postings to send PMs
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I hope I didn't breach copyright by how I mentioned the first census.
Yes it was Ireland for Thomas, I meant to come back in and adjust.
Name changes to Maria and Anna essentially rules them out. Which is a shame as I was even more keen on them today, having spoken to a much older cousin who remembers his mother (much older than my dad) saying her mum came from Woolton.
Plus my eldest uncle and Aunty are Thomas and Mary (Mary being both Annie harts sisters name, and also Maria Harts (Nee Cannon) Mothers name I believe).
My Grandfathers parents also make it to the list of kids; Catherine (katie) being third born and John E (probably Edward?) being sixth born
(After Annie E and William J who were named after their own parents).
When I did a search of BDM I possibly uncovered another new lead. I searched for all Harrisons born with mothers maiden name being Hart, in Lancashire between 1919 and 1940. All my uncles and aunties were there, along with a dozen others who aren't, peppered between.
However between my eldest uncle (Thomas), and my eldest Aunty (Mary), there was room for one other child to fit in. And the one birth that did fit in, was for an Ellen. So if the Woolton lead is incorrect, I'd be wondering if Ellen is actually the name of my Grannys mother.
Thomas Harrison Jul-Aug-Sep 1919 West Derby Lancashire (my uncle tommy)
***View Record Ellen Harrison Oct-Nov-Dec 1921 West Derby Lancashire*** not a known relative but curious.
Mary J Harrison Jan-Feb-Mar 1923 West Derby Lancashire ***Mary Jane? (my aunty mary)
Catherine Harrison Oct-Nov-Dec 1924 Liverpool Lancashire (my auntie Katie)
Annie W Harrison Oct-Nov-Dec 1926 Liverpool Lancashire ***Annie Winifred (my aunty annie)
William J Harrison Oct-Nov-Dec 1928 Liverpool Lancashire ****James? (my uncle Jimmy)
John E Harrison Jan-Feb-Mar 1931 Liverpool Lancashire ***John Edward? (my uncle johnny)
Joseph Harrison Jan-Feb-Mar 1933 Liverpool Lancashire (my uncle joey)
Frederick Harrison Jan-Feb-Mar 1935 Liverpool South Lancashire (my uncle freddie)
Alfred Harrison Oct-Nov-Dec 1936 Liverpool South Lancashire (my dad still alive)
Emily Harrison Apr-May-Jun 1938 Liverpool South Lancashire (my auntie still alive)
Francis Harrison Jul-Aug-Sep 1940 Liverpool South Lancashire (frankie, died aged 1)
Thanks for your help! And thanks for the DOOLAN lead too! The 16 year old Andrew Doolan is the one who married my aunty Mary.
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Ooooh -this is going to be fun...
be back in a minute - let me check my tree ...my dads nan was a McNamara ...my wifes cousin married a Harrison - I know a lot of Doolans /Harts ...I am born and bred Garston - I am 62 and there`s not many people in Garston that I don`t know - or they don`t know me .....back soon
allan ......ask your dad does he remember the Oakes family ?
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OK...Mcnamara = my family in Garston
Denis Mcnamara married my g grandmother Zipporah Walker ( nee Williamson ) she was my dads nan
children
Denis 1906
Veronica 1909
Margaret 1912
are any of these in your tree ?
allan
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I was looking at this marriage yesterday,it may or may not be your ancestor,
Sacred Heart
17th Feb 1890
Thomas Hart,2c 2h,Upper Dalton St
son of Joannis Hart
Mariam Cannon ,21 Upper Dalton St
daughter of Thomas Cannon
witness 1,Jacobo Thoma Flyn
6 Speke Road Garston,
witness 2,Anna Fitzpatrick,
8 Queen St Garston,
possibly you or Allan will recognice the addresses,
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Yes Radcliff....know the addresses and the Cannon / Flynn /Fitzpatrick families as well .
Just a bit of info for you and HarrisonHart..
Most ( not all ) Irish families that came to Garston in mid - late 1800`s were from Wicklow ...Garston is nicknamed Little Wicklow .....I am sure HarrisonHarts dad is aware of this being a Mudman ( a Garstonian from Under the Bridge )....ALL of the families mentioned
Harrison/Hart/Mcnamara/Cannon/Flynn/Fitzpatrick /Doolan are all still in Garston ...and I know them all well ....
Sadly - being fathers day - I WILL HAVE TO GO THE PUB at 12`o`clock to see these families and ask around ....lol....luckily my neice Gaynor - married a Harrison ...children are Tommy and Michael Harrison and I have a feeling their grandad Harrison will be one of HarrisonHarts uncles ...pretty certain about that...the other Harrison family didn`t come to Garston until 1930`s ....I have txt Gaynor for info - so if I don`t post before 12 noon - I will post about 4pm ...hopefully with some good news .....
allan
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Oh I pity you Garstonite :( I hope the pub isn't too taxing ;)
For your interest, the other side of my family also bread thick and fast in garston - My mums MOTHER was a Miller. Millers seemed to have taken up residence early under the bridge. And my mums FATHER was a McCrystal. They were newly immigrated from Ireland when grandad was born in 1904. (Catholics from Derry; Belfast and maybe Desertmartin, to be confirmed). A few of my McCrystal cousins that I know still live in Garston and Speke. The McCrystals were a family who won the jackpot and got to move to the economic and have a patch of grass all their own (48 Burman Road to be precise), so depending on who you talk to they were either still garstonians or were in Allerton ???
My dads family (harrison/harts) didn't get to move to the economic as the corpi had already converted a club at 80 king street (Between the Vic and the Kings Arms) for their massive brood. One of my grandads jokes used to be 'wheres the kings arms?' and everyone would apparently look ??? at him as he lived next door to it. But his answer was 'round the queens arse' ;)
Mind you - they lived next door to the Milleas... dads best friend was Micky Millea who went on to marry my aunty emily. I think they had 19 kids (Mickys parents) so 11 seems a bit of a weak effort comparatively!
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Our Mcnamaras
Edward McNamara
Birth 16 Dec 1873 in St Anns, Eccleston, Lancs
Death Abt Sep 1943 in Liverpool N., Lancashire
wife - Louisa McNamara 1873 – 1912
Children
Thomas Edward McNAMARA 1896 – 1974
Florence Sarah Sally McNamara 1900 –
James McNamara 1908 –
Then Thomas Edward McNAMARA married my aunty
Thomas Edward McNAMARA
Birth 29 Aug 1896 in 1 York St, Garston Liverpool
Death 9 Aug 1974 in Garston, Liverpool
Emily Jane HARRISON 1898 – 1988
John Edward McNamara 1915 – 1985
Christina McNamara 1921 – 2006
Thomas Joseph McNamara 1924 – 1998
Emily Mary McNamara 1926 – 1999
Alfred McNamara 1931 – 1997
Plus another girl dad cant recall her name yet. Maybe Katherine
Maybe your Denis is the eldest here (Edward) brother.
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I was looking at this marriage yesterday,it may or may not be your ancestor,
Sacred Heart
17th Feb 1890
Thomas Hart,2c 2h,Upper Dalton St
son of Joannis Hart
Mariam Cannon ,21 Upper Dalton St
daughter of Thomas Cannon
witness 1,Jacobo Thoma Flyn
6 Speke Road Garston,
witness 2,Anna Fitzpatrick,
8 Queen St Garston,
possibly you or Allan will recognice the addresses,
that rings a bell from some late night browsing I did that uncovered that marriage.
And I also think I found out that Maria Cannon was the bastard child of ??Mary Cannon and ??Thomas Callagher or Callaghan or similar. But didn't save my research like a fool! The baptismal certificate I saw, whereever I saw it, was written in latin, so I had to do some google tranlation to figure out what it all meant. And yep seemingly she was born out of wedlock and took her mothers surname.
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Gaynors dad was Leslie Harrison - she remembers uncles Norman and Charles - she can`t remember her grandads name ( pretty certain it will be one your dads brothers ) but - her nan was Jessie Harrison ...she would be a sister in law of your dad - IF you are related ???...and Gaynor never married ...her birth name was Harrison ....
so the pointer here will be if your dad had a sister in law named Jessie Harrison - if not - the Harrisons I know are not related, that I can see ....
McCrystals are friends of mine - their dad was Lol McCrystal sadly passed away
Millers - Dusty Miller - George a train driver ???
let me know if your dad recognises any of these
allan
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For the record - 2 - 20 Speke Road are houses next to the Fire Station and only Firefighters were allocated them - so either Jacob Flynn was a Fireman - or his dad was and Jacob lived there with his parents
tell your dad I was the resident drummer in The Blue Union and was a good friend of Razza Millea who has sadly passed away ...still see his son John around the village..
as far as I know - all the McCrystals have now married and none are left in Speke anymore ??
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McCrystals - yes uncle Lol was my oldest uncle on the McCrystal side. Kids were Lawrence, Allan, Ian, Phillip, Jane and Catherine. Lawrence and Allan still in L'pool (Allan was in Speke in uncle Lols house last I knew) Phillip Jane and Ian all moved right down south, Catherine still in L'pool too I think.
No to the harrisons ??? how can it be that in such a small place we are unrelated. I will say that my dads Aunty Emily McNamara (nee Harrison), told her grandson that there were actually 10ish siblings of hers. Of which only her and my grandad WJ 'Jimmy' Harrison were the only ones living at the time she told him that.. My dad only knew his own dad and Emily, but that doesn't mean to say there weren't more.
Our McNamaras lived at 12 Burman Road in c1940.
Oh my Aunty Annie Judd (nee Harrison) lived next to the fire station when she left Thomas Street in c1960 (my mum and dad took over her house 10 thomas st when she moved. Im sure you know my Judd cousins too :)
Dad says Razza was a good mate of my dads older brothers Jimmy Harrison. And says Hi whats your last name HAHA.
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Oh McNamara?
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My Dads sisters married locals with surnames
Judd
Millea
Moorhead
Thomas
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My name is Allan Oakes ...dad was les Oakes - brothers Danny /Jimmy - sister Vera ...Allan McCrystal is a good friend of mine - he used to live on Mather Avenue - I heard he split from his Mrs - I presume when he split he went back to his dads house ..I didn`t know that .....my brothers your dad might know - Glynn /Keith /Steven Oakes- cousin Bert Savage ( his mum was Ruth Oakes ...Evan Oakes / Billy Oakes ...loads of them ...dad lived Clarence Grove - then Moss Street ....mum was an Anson from Otway Street ...as a kid I was brought up in Bennett st up the village - live in Wainwright Grove now ....wifes family - mother Rhona Molyneux - brothers Reg Molyneux / Tommy Molyneux and Billy Molynuex ...your dad is bound to know Tommy Molyneux ...he was the Undertaker ...lol
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Well I recognise your name for some reason. Dads gone for a nanna nap after his medicinal guinness. (Its 7pm here in Perth WA)
I will read him your reply when he gets up. Allan McCrystal and my brother Mark Harrison used to knock around together until my family emigrated in 74. Allan was a bit of trouble back then from the stories I've heard lol. (Dear cousin Allan, when you inevitably find this post, it was meant it the most affectionate manner. I did however hear about your mad skills intervening in a fight that broke out in the, ahem dole queue back in the day; and it turned out you were fighting another relative of mine haha.)
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Brilliant .a family reunited by Rootschat,
I wont add any thing to this post or research further,as I am sure Allan can fill in most of the details,
Best wishes Radcliff,
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No no Radcliff its awesome to have met up with Garstonite but I need all the help I can get with the original querie LOL My Hart family is still one big ???
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I absolutely loved Annie Judd .....wonderful woman ...and of course I know all the kids....we used to go to Wicklow every couple of years to meet up with Annies husbands family about 45 of us from The Duck ....good times ....still see all the Judds around the pubs ...and now I know Annies maiden name ...didn`t know she was a Harrison ..are you in touch with any of the kids ??? I see Cindy /Ann/Tommy/Paula all the time - John now and then ...
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Give them our love when you see them from cousin ang and uncle alf in australia xx last time I saw them in person was 1995/96. I was only 15 but got to follow them (and Annie) from pub to pub visiting my uncles at their locals and then stay-behinds when the pubs shut :D Special memories.
Just starting to get back in touch with them all via doing the family history. Have had a Judd cousin or 2 and their kids join the Harrison/Hart family history group I started on facebook. All the family coming outta the woodwork mostly via cousin Mary Johnson (nee Thomas); she is the main person who keeps the family in touch with each other across the miles and years.
Get them to join facebook and look me up :) Also Mary and I emailed them last week but a couple of their emails bounced.
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OK Angela ...I will do ....soon as I see one of them ...
allan
ADDED...seen Kevin - Cindys husband, in the Welly -he said Cindy will pass the facebook page on to all the family ...
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Great! Thanks Allan. So good to speak to another garstonian - saw you and a bunch of my cousins on the fb group garston past and present too :)
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Hello, ive just joined the site ,and noticed under the bridge , garston and macnamara. My grandfather was a samuel reuben macnamara divorced from rose talbot 1947. i never met him but looking through my mums paperwork have come accross some papers. My grandmother rose talbot lived at 2 umbria st then hughes st then highbank drive my mother was called eileen macnamara
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Hiya Steve and welcome to Rootschat ...Eileen doesn`t appear in my McNamara tree,
I only have Denis 1906 / Veronica 1909 and Margaret 1912 in my tree ...
presumably you might have a connection with Angelas McNamara family ... ;)
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My name is Allan Oakes ...dad was les Oakes - brothers Danny /Jimmy - sister Vera ...Allan McCrystal is a good friend of mine - he used to live on Mather Avenue - I heard he split from his Mrs - I presume when he split he went back to his dads house ..I didn`t know that .....my brothers your dad might know - Glynn /Keith /Steven Oakes- cousin Bert Savage ( his mum was Ruth Oakes ...Evan Oakes / Billy Oakes ...loads of them ...dad lived Clarence Grove - then Moss Street ....mum was an Anson from Otway Street ...as a kid I was brought up in Bennett st up the village - live in Wainwright Grove now ....wifes family - mother Rhona Molyneux - brothers Reg Molyneux / Tommy Molyneux and Billy Molynuex ...your dad is bound to know Tommy Molyneux ...he was the Undertaker ...lol
Sorry to but in Alan but just saw a name from the past Bert Savage, was he the Bert that had the white bull terrier knew him years ago when I worked in Garston bottle and the match works he was a mate of Denny Burnett who I used to work with ,we used to go to Burt's house for a cuppa and a chat occasionally .My names Chris also worked in Portus and Rhodes in the 1960s.
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Yes Clwyd ...that`s Bert ( Herbert )..he passed away about 10 years ago .he ended up with his own Garage ...he was my cousin ...his mums maiden name was Ruth Oakes ...his 3 sisters are still alive ......for the record Portus and Rhodes is still going strong ...
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Yes Clwyd ...that`s Bert ( Herbert )..he passed away about 10 years ago .he ended up with his own Garage ...he was my cousin ...his mums maiden name was Ruth Oakes ...his 3 sisters are still alive ......for the record Portus and Rhodes is still going strong ...
Thanks Alan I seem to remember he had a Royal Enfield motorbike think it was a 250 cc crusader sports happy days ,yes P&R still see my old boss around the electrical wholesalers. A few lads from under the bridge worked there Roy Lincoln ,Tommy and Peter Farrell, think Roy lived in Canterbury st would be in his 80s if still alive .My Step mum worked in Banks Rd school for several years around 1980s, she was a real old school mistress type no messing from the class she passed away a few years ago . Cheers -- Chris
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Hello, ive just joined the site ,and noticed under the bridge , garston and macnamara. My grandfather was a samuel reuben macnamara divorced from rose talbot 1947. i never met him but looking through my mums paperwork have come accross some papers. My grandmother rose talbot lived at 2 umbria st then hughes st then highbank drive my mother was called eileen macnamara
Oh I have just found this reply.
OK I am not sure who is who but think we must be related.
Straight off the bat I can say its interesting that your Grandfather was 'samuel reuben' as that is supposed to be the name of my grandads uncle (my Great, Great uncle). (Samuel Reuben Patrick Harrison).
However - I would have thought that Samuel Reuben McNamara was the son of my dads Aunty (my Great Aunty) Emily Jane McNamara (nee Harrison) who married Tommy McNamara - hence the namesake being her uncle?
But she definitely has no child called Samuel Reuben.
This McNamara family lived in Shand Street - 2 streets from Hughes street, off King Street.
Weird.
Here is his marriage to Rose in case you want to get the certificate:
Name: Sumuel R McNamara
Spouse Surname: Talbot
Date of Registration: Jul-Aug-Sep 1940
Registration district: Liverpool
Inferred County: Lancashire
Volume Number: 8b
Page Number: 712
My dad says Rose Talbots name is very familiar, its driving him mad as he heard her name a million times but can't picture her face.
It gets a bit weirder.
My dads family (Harrisons of vulcan street, later 80 king street - next to hughes street) were close to someone called Simmy Talbot.
So close he was in and out of their house like a family member all the time.
And Simmy Talbot was somehow related to my MOTHERS brothers wifes mum or dad. Go figure... I haven't got the actual relation... but basically my mums brother is Mick McCrystal, and his wife Maureen (nee Cawardine) from garston, is somehow related to Simmy Talbot.
Lol. No answers yet but I am on it!
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WTF
Name: Samuel R McNamara
Mother's Maiden Surname: Harrison
Date of Registration: Oct-Nov-Dec 1919
Registration district: West Derby
Inferred County: Lancashire
Volume Number: 8b
Page Number: 1463
My dads aunty emily mcnamara (nee harrison) did not have a child called samuel reuben.
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I still do not know exactly whats happened here.
But incidentally found a Samuel R McNamara marrying Margaret Durham in 1953, which could be your grandfathers 2nd marriage.
The older Samuel Reuben Patrick Harrison that I know of, married Sarah Gill in c1895 in Garston; West Derby; Lancashire.
They had 2 children - Agnes Harrison and another daughter.
Sarah and the younger daughter died.
Samuel apparently took eldest child Agnes to South Africa in c1915.
Samuel remarried, had more children, divorced, moved to Burma/India and died there.
It may be that Agnes Harrison (daughter of Samuel Reuben Patrick Harrison and Sarah Gill) returned to Garston as an adult, married a McNamara, and had your Grandad.
In any event with a name like Samuel Reuben Harrison from Garston, this is the right track and this family is the family you're looking to research. x
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PS in the voters list for garston in 1954, there were 3 voting Talbots in Umbria Street - Henry, Elizabeth and Stanley.
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hi, I have the divorce papers of rose Talbot ( my nan) and Sammy mac ( grandad) allowing Sammy mac to see my mum for 4 hours on a Sunday this was 1947 i understand that his father was called Tommy and either Sammy or Tommy worked on the dredgers and it capsized and he drowned and another story is that Tommy came out of a pub drunk and got runover by a tram. I don't know if any of these are true or just wishful thinking.Is the name 'Simmy ' a nickname for stanley?
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Cut and sent to Steve193's inbox xx
Hope to see you on ancestry or facebook or both! I will report back anything else I learn.
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I am going to delete my last message and send it to your Inbox - because for some reason (it could be an oversight) your grandad is set to private on our relatives ancestry tree. I'd hate to be putting info out that I should not be :) so check your inbox for details Steve193 xx
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Hello seen your mention of The Bear of Woolton. The Bear was did not have mental health problems-far from it. he was a bare fisted boxer on the travelling boxing booths. His name The Bear came from his broad shoulders and red curly hair. He lived in Thomas Street Garston-just off King Street. He was originally from Woolton hence The Bear of Woolton.His last boxing match was when he was well ino his 50s was at the Garston fair- the field that was behind what is now Speke Road Post Office. The Bear Collins has many relatives still around Garston and the south end of the city.
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really good site for a bit of Garston under the bridge history. Lets start the ball rolling. Emma Salisbury fish seller. Frank Durkin Coalman. Gandolfos news agents. I am from under the bridge originally and I was proud to know the people who I was brought up with- I was born 1947
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I think these are the details you have pondered over
1901 Rodick st, Much Woolton
Thomas Hart 40yrs born in Ireland
Maria 32 born Woolton
Mary 8yrs born St Helens
Annie 4yrs born Garston
This you might find worth having a look at. Many people in Garston moved from woolton where there was a large population of Irish people
The girls have a slight name change 10 years later to Maria and Anna, Thomas still states he came from a place in Ireland and Maria is in the factory that her sister Annie goes into :) I think your dad could be right about Annie's birth date...see what you think. sorry due to copy rights I'm unable to give you the details.pm me if you cant find them.
Forgot to say you need to make at least three postings to send PMs
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Clwyd - Portus and Rhodes has now closed down but the boss pops into the building now and then - it is up for sale .
Garstonian - welcome to Rootschat ...nice to see another Garston member :)
***** Durkin lives opposite me -she is in her early 60's - I will ask her if she is related to Frank Durkin .
according to my dad - Garstonite = up the village born / Garstonian = under the bridge born .
my mum and dad were Garstonians and I am a Garstonite :)
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hello Garstonite. Yes under the bridge was a bit isolated from the rest of Garston/Liverpool. Two ways in and out Blackburn Street and Church Road. Hundreds of terraced houses huddled together surrounded by factories. However no one need to go out of the confined area-everything was on hand. Industry, schooling, retail, recreation and worship. Most of this is gone- nearly all. However there are new houses being built and the area is getting on its feet. best wishes to you.
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I used to live in Grassendale, but I remember walking round this area in the 1980s.
To anyone who doesn't know the area, the bridge carries the branch of the West Coast Main line to Liverpool Lime Street.
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hello Garstonite. Yes under the bridge was a bit isolated from the rest of Garston/Liverpool. Two ways in and out Blackburn Street and Church Road. Hundreds of terraced houses huddled together surrounded by factories. However no one need to go out of the confined area-everything was on hand. Industry, schooling, retail, recreation and worship. Most of this is gone- nearly all. However there are new houses being built and the area is getting on its feet. best wishes to you.
I still live in Garston - Gods little acre and I am up the village off St Marys Road .
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Sadly you are both wrong at this present date - that line now stops at Garston Freightliner depot . Ainsley was right - it used to go right through Brunswick and on to Central Station ...I think it stopped about 20 years ago :)
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if it is the same Emily Harrison she was married to Michael Millea. They once lived in Speke Road Gardens. Hope this is helpful
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Any ideas what number ?...my wife and I lived in 24c Speke Road Gardens and my wife was born in 2c Speke Road Gardens - I am from up the village but my wife knew everyone in the Tennies . She says the names are not familiar but if she knew the number they lived in she may know their faces ??
typical Tennie statement ...lol
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Milleas a big extended family-nice family. Lots of milleas in Speke Road Gardens and around Garston.
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I worked at Garston Bottle Works in 1965-1967. I was in the enamalling plant printing coca cola and zing bottles. ronnie williams david hopkins fred tutthill georgie williamson billy gilmore ect- all good men. bottle works closed down 1969 went over too Rockware
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My dad worked in the bottle works in the 50's - in the pit and he got free beer ...he hated that job
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yes depends on weather you liked the bottle works or not. I liked the job because I was surounded by good workmates. We went the match together, socialised and worke together. Thats the way it was under the bridge in those days- brilliant. However there was some hard jobs in the Bottle Works like the Batch Hole- hard physical labour. The enamelling plant I worked in was cushy.
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I think the pit was the batch hole?
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does anyone know of emma salisbury- fish woman- tom hitchmough-newspaper seller-frank durkin-coal man-harry davies-bookies runner-john tobin-local character-willy o brien-local character. all garstonians- happy days
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Hi Folks.
I have read a couple of posts from Steve193 dated 2014. To clarify here, Samuel Reuben McNamara was the husband of Rose Talbot, they divorced and he then married Marie Durham. Their children were unaware for many years that they had a half-sister, Eileen. He was the son of Emily Harrison McNamara, who married Thomas Edward McNamara. He died in the early 1970s when he was run over by a bus just after leaving the Alexandria pub in Garston - not drunk, as he never had more than a couple of pints at that time. I used to have a drink with him, my dad and my uncle Tommy McNamara (Jr) in the Alex. My mother was the sister of Sammy. I would love to get a copy of any certificates involving Sammy, as I am by default the family historian.
On another post, mention is made of Emily Harrison Millea. My grandmother, Emily Harrison McNamara, was her aunt.
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If anyone is in contact (off here) with Steve193, could you tell him please that I have sent him a message. He was last active in 2016. Thanks.
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Garston Woodcutters site has a Facebook page with a Genealogy group ...
https://www.facebook.com/pages/Woodcutters-Social-Club/155213144502677
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Thanks Garstonite :) He hasn't been active on here though since 2016..
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if it is the same Emily Harrison she was married to Michael Millea. They once lived in Speke Road Gardens. Hope this is helpful
Yes emily was my aunty and micky millea was her husband and also my dads best friend as kids.
My grannie who was annie harrison and her son freddie harrison lived in the tennies after grannie left king street.
Someone mentioned the bear of woolton was a boxer and lived in thomas street. This is very interesting. I was told he may be related to some of my family and would visit my great grandmother i think it was, hannah miller known locally as granny miller as she got older. I think she lived in vulcan st. Edited to say i just found my original post about the bear of woolton and it was my dads mum annie harrison nee hart who he used to visit when she lived on king st. My grannie was born in garston in 1897 but grew up moving between garston and woolton.