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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => England => Worcestershire => Topic started by: Jondi99 on Sunday 16 June 13 12:19 BST (UK)
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Good morning.
I am brand new to your forum (I registered today) on the advice of an 'old hand' at tracing family trees. Although a member of Ancestry, I am not a member (on cost grounds) of any other genealogy site and I am definitely still trying to find my feet.
Having been researching of my family for less than a year I have hit a bit of a brick wall. The family I have is as follows:
Samuel Andrews Dob 07 Jul 1780 at Pershore, Worcestershire
Christening 12 Aug 1780 at Holy Cross, Pershore, Worcestershire
Samuel's wife's name was Ann but I have no maiden name, Dob, marriage date or place.
I know they had five children, James (b 1799), Edmund (b 1800), Samuel (b 1805), Catura (b 1806) and Mary (b 1811). Given the spacing there may have been others and I am uncertain of the spelling of 'Catura' it may be Keturah or similar.
Samuel's father was James Andrews and mother Sarah; again no other details of any sort.
If anyone can provide any details or help for those above I should be most grateful.
Many thanks in anticipation.
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welcome to RC.
you may find this site useful:
http://www.worcestershire.gov.uk/cms/archive-and-archaeology/search-our-records/online-indexes-and-databases.aspx
Diddy
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Samuel & Sarah seem to have had 11 children from 1771-96 all Pershore.
I can't find a marriage either.
Your Samuel died in 1818 aged 38 & assuming Anne didn't remarry she may have died in 1836 aged 51.
Father James may have died 1822 aged 74 & Sarah in 1836 aged 86.
I think it's a trip to Worcs. RO.
jim
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Hi,
This looks an interesting site and offers - Search Services (Fee paying). The cost seems relatively low at £4-00 for up to three entries from the Index. Additional entries 25p each.
http://www.worcesterbmsgh.co.uk/parish/pershore-holy-cross
Perhaps you might benefit more if a Moderator moved the thread to Worcester Look Up Request. Some kind person may pick up on your request and look at the parish registers for you.
Sandra
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Many thanks for your most helpful replies.
diddymiller,
I have been looking for a link dedicated to Worcestershire archives and never found one - having said that, when I needed similar information on another town I had to be pointed in the right direction then as well!! Is there a search method that others use or is it simply a lot of experience and 'tribal art'? If it's the former I can learn quickly, the latter will take much longer!!
jim1,
Where did you find the data on Samuel and Sarah? Was it the archive given by diddymiller, that suggested by Sandra or another source? It looks most helpful and if available to me (rather than a 200+ mile trip to Worcester) would be of huge help. I may even find a maiden name for Ann!!
Sandra,
Your link also looks most helpful and, as you say, far cheaper than many other resources.
Once again many thanks to you all. The links and information will keep me busy for a while I think and, hopefully, allow me to progress a little more. :)
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The info. for the children came from IGI jus by putting in the surname in the search box with parents Samuel & Sarah.
http://www.rootschat.com/links/0rwr/
The burial info. came from the National Burials Index which I have on disc.
jim
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Many thanks Jim, I now have another route - when I know how to use it properly - to find people and many thanks for looking up the burial.
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I googled it i think - probably something like 'Worcestershire Parish records online'
always worth a go - i've found a wealth of stuff just by googling - start specific
Diddy
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Jim1
I have been trying to use the IGI records to replicate your results exactly and failed to date. I have just noticed you used the names "Samuel & Sarah" when the couple were Samuel & Ann. Did you actually use the correct names to get your results or am I still doing it all wrong?
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Hi There & welcome to the gang
If you can get a bit more to go on I will undertake to do a look up or 2 for you when Im on one of my holidays in Worcestershire as they last about 6 weeks when I pay a visit to the Hive (record office) at Worcester once each of those weeks to do my research but normally end up working for others.
Im not on the net at home but use library computers so you may only hear from me once a week on a SAT
All the very best
Phil
Weston-super-Mare
ps I have some Andrews on my tree but cant remember of the top of my head where they are from but its around that area I feel sure
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Hello philheeks,
Many thanks for your warm welcome and kind offer.
I have any number of loose ends and walls that I've found to break through. Most I feel sure will only be beaten by searching through local records. As you can see from the above others have done their best to help, but with my experience (in truth a lack of it) their willingness has been failed by me.
Most of the details given below have been gleaned either from Family Search (not the IGI bit - I still am battling with that) and Ancestry.
If you do have the opportunity, there is a direct line that is holding me back and it is that originally posted:
Samuel Andrews Dob 07 Jul 1780 at Pershore, Worcestershire
Christening 12 Aug 1780 at Holy Cross, Pershore, Worcestershire
his wife Ann (no maiden name) and their marriage details.
I have been able to confirm five of their children:
James (b 1799), Edmund (b 1800), Samuel (b 1805), Catura (b 1806) and Mary (b 1811) and from what I am told (above) there are others but I've still not found them.
If it is of help I believe Samuels parents were James Andrews and Sarah but I have no other information on them either although they do appear to have had 11 Children:
Samuel (b 1771) Ann (b1773) Mary (b 1775) Martha (b 1778) Samuel (b 1780) Edmond (b 1782) William (b 1785) Robert (b 1787) Anne (b 1790) Susannah (b 1793) Josiah (b 1796).
Many thanks again for your kind offer, but please don't use a lot of your own holiday time on me; only do what you feel are the easy bits - they may well be hard by my standards anyway. Or to put it another way, cherry pick what you want to do from the above.
As for response times, there is no problem as I have my maternal side to keep me well occupied (south east England) and both of my wife's parents. I'm only glad I didn't start this when I was working as I can do without jobs of this complexity on top of work!!
Take care and have a pleasant break away.
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Hi There
You may recall that I said I had Andrews on my tree, well I got a bit mixed up as my lot are at Severn Stoke & & the distant line I was mixing them up with are Davis at Pershore. I have done a lot of research round that area but on my own surname & families that married into the Heeks line.
I will still do a few look ups for you when Im on holiday in August/September but will you please jog my mind nearer to the end of this month please so I dont let this slip my mind
All the very best
Phil
ps any look ups I do will be using micro film copies of the original registers held at the Hive in Worcester City
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Hi Phil,
Many thanks again. I shall try to remember to nudge you - if I can remember!! (Writes mental note on piece of paper!!)
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Hi Jondi
Ive made a note to put on my wish list for the Hive (record office)
Marriage of Samuel Andrews = Ann ________ c1801+
Bap Samuel Andrews 17 JUL 1780 possible parents James/sarah
baps for all the children of James/sarah that you have posted
Marriage of James Andrews = Sarah ________ c1769
all the above will be searched for in Pershore Holy Cross & Pershore St Andrew parish registers
I hope that I can find something out for you but if I dont it wont be for the want of trying as I look on look up requests as a challenge lol
All the very best
Phil
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Hello Phil,
Sorry not to have responded sooner,but we had a few days away to see my brother.
Many thanks again for taking the time and making notes to look up the information for me.
Have a good journey and break when you go.
All the best,
John
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Think nothing of it as Ive hit that many(----) brick walls in the past 19 years or so that I normally end up working for others when I go to ther Hive at Worcester & its mostly members of Rootschat that Ive ben in contact with over the years
All the very best
Phil
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Hi There
Im having trouble with this dam library computer
Ive only had chance to search Holy Cross so far & still have Pershore St Andrews to search but here are my findings so far
4 JUN 1798 Thomas Andrews = Ann Nixon
wits - Thomas Nickson, Sarah Pinchitt (I think?)
24 OCT 1801 Samuel Andrews (B) = Eleanor Cosnett (S)
wits - Thomas Nixon, Elizabeth Nixon
26 SEP 1771 James Andrews = Sarah Foster
wits - William ______,Elizabeth Ganderton
25 JAN 1796 John Meradith = Mary Andrews
wits- ____ _____,Eliza Leonard
19 JAN 1803 Bentley Bamford = Martha Andrews
wits- William Foster,Ann Falkner
2 NOV 1771 Samuel s/o James/Sarah Andrews
26 DEC 1773 Ann d/o " " "
4 JAN 1776 MAry d/o " " "
2 APR 1778 MArtha d/o " " "
12 AUG 1780 Samuel s/o " " " BORN 7 JUL 1780
13 DEC 1782 Edmund s/o " " "
10 JUN 1785 William s/o " " "
1 JAN 1788 Robert s/o " " " BORN 6 DEC 1787
16 JUL 1790 Anne d/o " " "
16 FEB 1795 Susannah d/o " " "
26 OCT 1796 Josiah s/o " " "
I hope that this helps you a bit
All the very best
Phil
ps all these came from a film of the original parish registers at the Hive Worcester
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Hello Phil,
I have just got the information and not looked at it as yet. Many thanks.
Please enjoy your holiday.
Best regards,
John
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Hello Phil,
I have had a very quick look at the information and found the James and Sarah children are all good apart from Ann. Family Search gives Christening as 26 Jan 1774 you found 26 Dec 1773 so it looks as if Family Search got it wrong!!
I'm still working the marriages.
Can you persuade Worcester to put all their microfilm data on line for the benefit of those who are on holiday but stuck in front of a screen!!??
Take care,
John
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Hello Phil,
I've started on the marriages and it looks as if the one you have as:
26 SEP 1771 James Andrews = Sarah Foster
wits - William ______,Elizabeth Ganderton
could definitely be the right one for James. I looked at Family Search and found a James Andrews Christened at Holy Cross, Pershore on 30 Nov 1750 with a father William Andrews. So if the witness William ______ above could be Andrews, I have the maiden name of his wife.
If you have a chance will you try to decipher it again please.
Many thanks,
John
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Hi John
I will check Ann's bap date again as I could have made a typo but all the results I send are from parish register films. Here are a few more
Ive looked at Pershore St Andrew & cant find any of your Andrew's thereas they seem to only have been baptised at Holy Cross
12 FEB 1799 William Andrews = Sarah Harris (licence)
Wits - ____ James Andrews, Ester Harris
2 NOV 1801 William Walter = Sarah Andrews (after Banns)
Wits - James Bunn, William Andrews
I loked for the family on your original posting but could only find baps for 3 of the children
11 MAY 1799 James s/o Samuel/Anne Andrews
17 DEC 1800 Edmund s/o " Ann "
27 FEB 1805 Samuel s/o " " "
(I looked at both Holy Cross & St Andrew for these)
I hope this is of some help to you
All the very best
Phil
ps my next visit to the Hive will be Tuesday
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Hello Phil,
Many thanks for all your hard work. I seem to remember, very vaguely, my father mentioning Holy Cross in some context. He was born in Worcester (I have all the details of his parents and siblings) but he had a great grandfather that ran a pub in Newlands, Pershore which is in the Holy Cross parish. As a result I think you are correct in your belief that all are Holy Cross.
If you have a chance on Tuesday will you look again at the marriage:
26 SEP 1771 James Andrews = Sarah Foster
wits - William ______,Elizabeth Ganderton
and see if you can make sense of the surname for William ______. I think it should be Andrews which would, hopefully, confirm it is the one I was after.
Take care,
John
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Hi John
I will do my very best to decypher this surname for you & I hope that it is Andrews but will not say that it is unless Im sure of the fact
All the very best
Phil
ps you just caught me as I was about to log of this library computer but thought I would have a look at my e mail page first & there was your link to Roots Chat
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Hi John
Whoops it was my error & the IGI is correct (I hate to admit :))
Marriage date 26 JAN 1774.
I also checked the witness on that other marriage to try & decypher the surname but as it was still a bit unclear to me I search the marriages 1754-1790 in the same parish to see if I could find his signiature again & found the (I think) same chap was a witness to a marriage in 1768 where the name is Bussell or Busselly - if I had to make an educated guess at the name on the Andrews marriage concerned I would have said it was Barrell but cant be certain even with the reader on 48x magnification & using a powerful magnifying glass to boost that a bit.
I wish that I could have sent you a surname that would have been a lot more help to you but did say that I would only send what I saw
All the very best
Phil
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Hello Phil,
Your help is very much appreciated and the information you disclosed brings the end of this bit of searching a little closer. Without your help I would still be staring at a blank sheet.
It is good to know that IGI is correct even though it is a bit embarrassing to misread. But I've done it often enough myself to realise just how easy it is to do.
Thanks for trying to decipher the surname. It would have been nice to have confirmed it as a relative; it still may be but not with a surname I am familiar with. I'm sure there well be another hint somewhere that provides confirmation. I'm also certain my eyes would have been no better than yours. Some of the handwriting is worse than mine and that goes some!!
Take care. All my best,
John
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Hi John
I wish I could have sent you a surname that would have fit in with your tree but its sods law, when you want a name to turn up it very seldom does, well I find that anyway. Good luck with your research & I hope that name fits in some day as its not very common so should be easier to trace
All the very best
Phil
ps I thought mine was an unusual surmane till I started to trace it years ago & it turned out to be all over the place in WOR
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Hi,
Just caught this thread, as it's slightly off my patch. When you get a chance have a look at some of the early commercial directories for Worcestershire.
Like the Worcester branch Bromsgrove also has a branch of BMSGH. We are lucky to have been offered some transcriptions, which are not commercially viable, so offer them for free. One is Pigot's 1835 for Worcestershire. This resource like most of the others is tucked away behind a security firewall. Please go to www.bromsgrovebmsgh.co.uk/ and register, which includes doing a couple of picture matches.
Once registered, you will get more then the initial two results for ANDREWS from the main search engine. No guarantee that they are yours though. You should find a James and an Edmund. You may get more than one result per page, so use the Control key (Ctrl) and F at the same time and put ANDREWS in the search box.
Hope that helps
Mike
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Hello Yegvard,
Thanks for your input. I shall have a look at the site and see what is there that helps.
John
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Hello again Phil,
I had a PM from Eastbury who had been looking up records. It seems your 48x + magnifier worked well as he confirms "Bussell" was the witness "William _______". He could still be a relation and is worth a bit of searching to find out so there is another route to filling in the gaps.
Regards,
John
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Hi John
Im glad that the name has been sorted out at last & do hope ot turns out to be a relative as a lot of the witnesses were, it just makes a lot more work for you to do when you get fed up of searching for brick walls & decide to research another line - I know the feeling well :)
All the very best
Phil
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Hi There
I was looking at my own record last night (wish I had them here at the library with me) & noticed there was an Andrews marriage at Severn Stoke & it did say the groom was of Pershore st Andrew
I hope this is of some help
All ther very best
Phil
Weston-super-Mare
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Hello Phil,
My PC hard drive failed just before Christmas and I've been having fun fitting a new drive, recovering my data and backing everything up again for the past week or so. PCs are such a joy!!!
That marriage may well be interesting. As I know you have gathered the Andrews clan in that area is numerous to say the least and it is far from impossible there is a link. Most of those I have found in Pershore are Holy Cross, but others do show up in the St. Andrew records as well as some outlying parishes. As yet I've not found a link to Severn Stoke, but I am still working my way out from there mainly toward Wyre Piddle, Pinvin and Drakes Broughton at the minute. I know there are some strong links in that direction as my father was born in Worcester but his grandfather in Wyre Piddle. If I find anything I'll certainly post.
Let me know if you find anything interesting.
Best wishes.
John
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Hi John
I hope your new hard drive lasts a lot longer than the onbe that recently packed up on you - personally I save all my trees in outline format to portable flash drives as it makes it easier to send anyone an outline tree as an e mail attachment. I hope you can find a link to Severn Stoke at sometime in the future as its now very far from Pershore is it
All the very best
Phil
Weston-super-Mare