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Old Photographs, Recognition, Handwriting Deciphering => Handwriting Deciphering & Recognition => Topic started by: *Sandra* on Thursday 20 June 13 12:27 BST (UK)
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Hi,
Please can anyone help suggest or decipher the parents names ?
This is a current topic on the Canadian Board :-
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,650891.msg4975178.html#new
Thank You
Sandra
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Could the first one be Daughter of Alvernon/Alderman and his wife Diana?
Carol
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Daughter of Susman? and of Sarah his wife?
Possibly :)
Jan ;)
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Surman or Hurman, and diana his wife ? ?
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Having looked at this in Photoshop I have to agree that Father's name is Susman....I was adding the "of" to the Christian name ::)
Carol
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I think Hurman (aka Herman) could be the name of the father.
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Hi Guys,
Thanks for taking the time to have a look at this. Didn't realise until treetotal pointed it out - "of" seems to be the word in front of the fathers name ::)
Will have a scout around and see if the name Susman and the others pop up in early Canadian records (or maybe German records !!) ???
Thanks everyone.
Sandra
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I don't think the mum's name is Diana,it's not a capital D,and surely if it was someone's name it would be.
Maybe a name like Laura- or a german name beginnning with L?
Carol
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I know what you mean Carol...but I compared the "L" with the others and it doesn't seem to match...in Photoshop it looks like an undeveloped capital "D"...I did consider Diaro as the last letter isn't consistent with the other "a"s.
There are Susman Litchensteins on Familysearch but not a match for this family.
Carol
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Don't know if this is any better....Wondering if the first letter of wife's name could be "O"...Oliaro?
Carol
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I can still see 'of Sarah' - with very feint up/down strokes for the f, S and h. But I could just be imagining!
Jan ;)
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Diana seemed a modern name but apparently goes back to ancient Greece. Went along similar lines as Carol looking at Diara/Diaro. Not finding any Lichtenstein of these names though ::)
Thank You
Sandra
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You could be right Jan...I think it's best to keep an open mind :)....Diana the Huntress goes back a bit ;D
Carol
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Had a reply typed and thought I had posted it correctly but it disappeared into thin air so I i'm trying again ....
I also would say it says 'and of Sarah'. Father's name looks like Susman to me.
Regards PB
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I'm no help on the names but have you been able to find out where in Germany he/they were from? To me it looks like Jechingen but couldn't find one in Germany. There is a place called Hechingen and on Goolge maps it's only about 33km from Lichtenstein, Germany (which could be from where the surname comes from?)
Just a thought.
Kit
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Susman has to be it as the S matches ...Not a lot of girl's names end in ara ...Liara, Klara, Sara but as noted, none of the capital letters match the letters already on page....
Part of the problem is the poor scanning of the original documents in the first place.
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hmmm..No capital D on page...I thought the small area above might be a dot on an i...but now see perhaps it could also be Dara ....or am I now planting images onto my sight...
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Searching german name site..the nearest i,v got is Lenora. for the mother....my German boss say it,s not known in Germany, for a male,s name to end with... MAN
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Searching german name site..the nearest i,v got is Lenora. for the mother....my German boss say it,s not known in Germany, for a male,s name to end with... MAN
This document was presumably written in Canada, so the spellings may not have been quite right, but there were 19th century men called Hermann in Germany, two famous Hermanns being Hermann Goring and Hermann Muller. Also German males born now may not be named ....man, but this record refers to someone born almost 200 years ago.
Lichtenstein and Susman seem to have Jewish associations - is this why there are no appropriate records on IGI, I wonder :-\
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Still think it is Diana, just that the round bit of the D is very faint, or has disappeared
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Hmmmm another posting disappeared...
Diana was my first visual thought until I looked at other info on page...it isn't consistant, but...
Looking at the ine, band, & ands, the "n" drops before the next consonant, but if you look at the name Ernestine the top of the "r" goes directly to the next consonant.
Although it isn't well used, there certainly are some Susman/Suseman forenames and other names that end in man, Herman as already stated... Hartmann, Friedemann, Erdmann, Karlman, Gusmann, Coleman, etc. Even if the name was derived from elsewhere it would still be used in the new country of origin.
Dara seems a well-used German female forename
https://www.familysearch.org/search/record/results#count=20&query=%2Bgivenname%3Adara%20%2Bbirth_place%3AGermany
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The upstrokes of many Capitals are missing...Here it is in reverse, sometimes easier to envision...
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ERNESTINE LICHTENSTINE DAUGHTER OF ????
LICHTENSTINE OF HECHINGEN GERMANY AND ???? [DIORA DIANA]
HIS WIFE - WIFE OF JAMES SMYTH BAND
MASTER OF THE NINETINTH REGIMENT 10 FOOT
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Looking once again, ....at "Regiment of Foot" (and also creating more confusion, I suppose) Reminds me that Fara (Faara/Farra) may also be on the table...were there any capital "F"s or"D"s on the rest of that page entry ? J.J.
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Seeing JJ's inversion I'm even more convinced it is "of Sarah", the faded downstroke of the 'f' seems clearer as do the strokes of the 'S' and the 'h' on the end is more visible - well to me anyway ;D
Jan ;)
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I agree with Jan - it surely says "ond of ____, his wife" - I would guess the name is Sarah
Steve
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Sarah is likely correct, then... My eyes are not as reliable anymore. Too bad there is not a more higher resolution file. That is an extremely low quality file even for internet use.
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Try as I might...I can't see "Sarah" ::)
Carol
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and of Lara his wife..[Lara Russian]
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Try as I might...I can't see "Sarah" ::)
Carol
Nor can I.
Just Diana.
The D written with a strong downstroke, then a loop round, then the rounded upstroke (which with a nib would be light) is very faded or missing. Then the rest incl the dot for the i, is fairly clear, the two 'a's matching the a in Germany .
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A pointed out, although it wasn't necessary to have repeated the preposition ...the part that looks like a capital D may possibly again be the word "of"...Most "of" are as hard to read... which then only leaves a small amount of room for a capital for the name....If that is a skinny "S" in _usman then it could also be the start of the name...I don't see an h at the end, though, as it seems to be more of a decorative ending for the final "a". But as I said my eyes aren't as good as they once were...
Inconsistent writing doesn't help, but we may never solve this unless someone finds a better image resolution. I would love to find more information in the detail, but need more pixels to work with... J.J.
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A BIG thank you to, Sandra and all for your time and input on this post..all help.. :)