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Ireland (Historical Counties) => Ireland => Fermanagh => Topic started by: Spearmint on Thursday 20 June 13 18:37 BST (UK)
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Trying to find out about this guy who may be my great grandfather. He seems, by my research, to have vanished... Can anyone help?
Spearmint ???
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who may be my great grandfather
Where did you get his name, birthyear and birthplace from?
Assuming he is your great grandfather - when and where did he marry your great grandmother and what was her name and maiden name
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Casting around the net. That and the hunch that his first born son called his first born son john Henry. Not much to go on.
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Hi
Casting around the net. That and the hunch that his first born son called his first born son john Henry. Not much to go on.
So you have no idea as to what his christian names/birthyear/birthplace really were - you are just making assumptions the name is the same as his grandson's. ::)
Sorry - but that is no basis to start researching your FH. You need to go back to what you know as fact - and that is the birth cert of his first born son. That will give you his correct christian names and also his wife's name and maiden name.
If you already know the wife's name and maiden name - you can search for the marriage using her details and then see if the reference matches to a Boles.
https://familysearch.org/search/collection/1408347
When was the son born and where? If he was born before 1911 you can look for the family on the 1911 census which is free at www.census.nationalarchives.ie/search
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Sorry Carol. I am novice at this. Perhaps this will help. Sorry if I'm making assumptions but dont have much to go on. Perhaps a post from some years ago may help?
Spearmint
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,226009.msg1590091.html#msg1590091
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A lot more info there so now for more questions!!
He was in Manchester in 1901 married with 2 children - Geoffrey 5 and Clarence 3.
One of your replies said you had ordered one of the birth certs so what info did that give? Did it show Henry as his middle name as he was just John on the 1901
What was Annies maiden name? Have you found a marriage for them on freebmd www.freebmd.org.uk
Later census shows Annie as a widow but I can't find a death for John
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The only John Boles marriage that fits with Geoffrey's birth was in Manchester in 1896 but was to a Mary Cursley nee Hopper
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Thanks for taking time to read... Carole.
I couldn't find any ref to a marriage. He's listed on my gandfather's birth certificate as just John. His partner's maiden name is Ann/Annie Lea. She remarried (if she was ever married to John) in 1914 and it says on the certificate she was a widow? I wonder if she was lying to avoid stigma?
Spearmint
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Both Geoffrey and Clarence's baptismal records only show his father as John & mother Ann
Clarence was born 29.1.1898 and baptised on 10.4.1898 at Manchester, St Mary, St Denys and St George (Manchester Cathedral)
Geoffrey was born 5.11.1895 and baptised at the Cathedral on 5.1.1896
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May I ask where you found this out?
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I see she "re-married" as Lea - not Boles which is probably a good indication she never married John Boles. He may not even have been deceased in 1911 which is why no death can be found.
EDIT - see reply below - she married as Bolas
Possibility that Annie may be the 1881 entry for Annie Lea b 1872 Appleton Cheshire - parents Peter and Ann. Does the 1914 marriage cert confirm that?
So - unfortunately all you have is he was John Boles born Ireland approx 1876. No info as to the county of his birth and because there was no marriage - we don't have a fathers name
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The baptisms are on Family Search and Ancestry
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/JSXP-3QX
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/J7TX-47S
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Looking at marriage cert now: she got married as Annie Bolas not Boles and she is annie Lea of Appleton Cheshire. You have found my problem. He seemingly vanished and did Annie alter one letter of last name to spite or hide something else? ???
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Was her father called Peter on the marriage cert? LancashireBMD show her as Bolas formerly Lee
Son Clarence also married as Bolas on 23.7.1921 to Annie Murray
Geoffrey also married as Bolas in 1920 to Thurza Winterton. Geoffrey's birth was registered as Jeffery
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Yes, yes and yes...
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Carole, you can see I am really up against it. Family rumour was that John Boles abandoned the wife and kids and vanished leaving Annie and two boys on their own in pre ww1 Manchester. Maybe he started another family elsewhere or returned home to Ireland or even found the money to go to USA. I have no idea. ???
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I doubt they ever married in which case it will make it more difficult to find info about him. he only appears on one census - 1901 - so apart from his name, birthyear and the fact he was born in Ireland - that's as much as we know.
As far as I am aware - there is no documentary evidence that he had the middle name of Henry and nothing to show he was born in Fermanagh. Is that correct?
The 1911 index shows a 36yr old John Boles b Ireland living in Stockport Cheshire. Have you viewed that entry?
There is also this death on freebmd
John Boles aged 73 b 1875 - September qtr 1948 Salford 10F 396
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It seems that all I know about him is from 1901 census. The john henry is a hunch based on it's what his first born son called his first born son. Long shot, I know but am clutching at staws to say the least. I have the death cert of: John Boles aged 73 b 1875 - September qtr 1948 Salford 10F 396.
And it looked inconclusive: his widow is listed as A. Boles. Not even sure if Annie was alive in 1948 and she'd have been Mrs Whiting anyway; unless he died and John Boles came back on the scene. Not sure where to look next. Hence you can see why I was plucking this John Henry Boles from obscurity in the vain hope he was my Great Grandfather...
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Have you looked at the 1911 entry I mentioned - compare the occupations between the 1901 and the 1911
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Carole, I haven't got access to 1911 census. Didn't know he was around in 1911. Is the occupation significant? Do you think he could be the one I'm after?
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Hi
Everybody has access to the 1911 - you have to buy credits to view the entry. Rootschat will not allow 1911 info to be posted because of copyright issues
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,355486.0.html