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Scotland (Counties as in 1851-1901) => Scotland => Ross & Cromarty => Topic started by: jmac22 on Sunday 23 June 13 10:37 BST (UK)
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Hi there everyone,
I have a query about villages in the kiltearn parish. I have a Kenneth Mckenzie born 1800 in Terentock who went on to marry a Margaret Fraser born 1802 in Fodderty, Ross. They were both captured in the 1841 and 1851 census as living in Waterloo, Kiltearn and having children there. So my question is has anyone come across Terentock or Waterloo as villages, towns or settlements in their genealogy travels as I'd like to find it on a map, and has eluded me so far. Have been able to trace them once they arrived in Australia after 1852 but little about their origins in Scotland.
Any information would be greatly appreciated, and also any ideas on where to look.
Thank you :)
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If that is Kenneth spirit dealer, according to Freecen the address is Mountgerald, Kiltearn in 1841, no mention of Waterloo. That house still exists and is a listed building Historic Scotland Building ID: 7919 OS Grid Coordinates: 257060, 861530. Postcode: IV15 9TT which on investigation appears to be Balbirnie.
However there is a family also on the 1841 with a Kenneth aged 20 in Teanirick, Kiltearn which looks very similar to the second address possibly a mistranscription somewhere. Maybe related?
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Mountgerald all associated buildings http://her.highland.gov.uk/SingleResult.aspx?uid=MHG22431
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http://www.britishlistedbuildings.co.uk/sc-7919-mountgerald-kiltearn
Of particular interest
Notes:
Present house, on earlier site, formerly called Clyne, a
Mackenzie estate linked with Findon across the Cromarty
Firth. Documentation concerning Mountgerald at least from
1714 in possession of owner. [also a McKenzie]
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Is this the family?
marriage Kenneth Mckenzie marriage: 21 January 1826 Fodderty,Ross And Cromarty,Scotland spouse:Margt. Fraser
Children
Ann Mc Kenzie birth: 26 January 1827 FODDERTY,ROSS AND CROMARTY,SCOTLAND parents:Kenneth Mc Kenzie, Peggy Fraser
Peggy Mc Kenzie birth: 23 January 1829 FODDERTY,ROSS AND CROMARTY,SCOTLAND parents:Kenneth Mc Kenzie, Peggy Fraser
assume the same child a mistransciption of the date and child didn't survive?
Peggy Mc Kenzie birth: 20 June 1829 FODDERTY,ROSS AND CROMARTY,SCOTLAND parents:Kenneth Mc Kenzie, Peggy Fraser
Alexander Mc Kenzie birth: 2 July 1831 FODDERTY,ROSS AND CROMARTY,SCOTLAND parents:Kenneth Mc Kenzie, Peggy Fraser another infant mortality? This would explain the 6+ year gap between Ann and Roderick
Rodk. Mc Kenzie birth: 28 June 1833 FODDERTY,ROSS AND CROMARTY,SCOTLAND parents:Kennth. Mc Kenzie, Peggy Fraser
Margaret Mc Kenzie birth: 3 December 1835 FODDERTY,ROSS AND CROMARTY,SCOTLAND parents:Kenneth Mc Kenzie, Margt. Fraser
Catherine Mc Kenzie birth: 9 November 1837 KILTEARN,ROSS AND CROMARTY,SCOTLAND parents:Kenneth Mc Kenzie, Margrat Fraser
Alexander Mc Kenzie birth: 13 January 1840 KILTEARN,ROSS AND CROMARTY,SCOTLAND parents:Kenneth Mc Kenzie, Margrat Fraser
The last 2 after 1841 census? Are these two on the 1851 census?
Sallie Mc Kenzie birth: 14 July 1841 KILTEARN,ROSS AND CROMARTY,SCOTLAND parents:Kenneth Mc Kenzie, Margarat Fraser
John Mc Kenzie, birth: 26 February 1843 KILTEARN,ROSS AND CROMARTY,SCOTLAND parents:Kenneth Mc Kenzie, Margrate Fraser
If so, I think this may be Kenneth's birth the children's names tie in ie first male child Alexander second female child 'Peggy'/Margaret
Kenneth Mc Kenzie christening: 4 June 1806 KILTEARN,ROSS AND CROMARTY,SCOTLAND parents:Alex Mc Kenzie, Margt Fraser
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Thank you, this is my family and your research is priceless. The loss of those children explains the large age gap which I had wondered about before. And the second Alexander is my direct ancestor, so it seems he was named for his grandfather. Thanks again, it's been wonderful seeing pictures of the buildings and property where they lived.
The last two children you mentioned, I have definitely seen John but no Sallie but a Sarah and there was also a Donald but he would have been 2yrs old on the 1851 census. Donald must have also been a child lost to high infant mortality as he was not present on their voyage to Australia. Also the census records mentioned 'mountquist' maybe another misinterpretation of Mountgerald?
I have also had mentioned a 'Waterloo House' in an area close to Mountgerald, but I imagine the use of the name 'Waterloo' would be quite common. Another researcher has also mentioned the village of Ferintosh as a possible misinterpretation of 'Terentock'. Is there any way of finding out where Kenneth's parents lived or is this a pipe dream?
Once again though thank you so much for this information, which is more than I've come across in the last year of starting my genealogy journey, which only proves I have a long way to go yet! :)
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At the time of the 1841 census the estate [hereditary] owner appears to be Simon MacKenzie and family, it was normal for census takers to start with "the big hoose", look him up and you will see all the addresses in Mountgerald lead on from his. http://www.freecen.org.uk/cgi/search.pl Kenneth is [I think] just 6 addresses along so very likely on the estate itself. Strangely or not Simon's wife is also Sarah. Definitely worth contacting the present estate owner to see what the estate papers can tell you too!
Unfortunately the 1841 census is the first. *If* Alexander McKenzie and Margaret Fraser were Kenneth's parents you could search for his siblings, marriage and see if any died here in Scotland after 1855 that would confirm the next generation for you. If any died in 1855 you are on a winner, as the details on 1855 certs are amazing! http://www.scotlandspeople.gov.uk/
This looks like it might be their marriage (and yes looks like there are loads of siblings) Alexr. Mckenzie marriage: 14 March 1794 Kiltearn, Ross And Cromarty, Scotland spouse:Margaret Fraser
Regarding Terentock/Teanirick I have looked and can't see it, most likely it is a mistranscription of Teanord or Teachatt see here http://www.rossandcromartyheritage.org/communit/p37/ht/pn/pn15.html
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More interesting stuff. http://www.spanglefish.com/evantonoralhistoryproject/
On the Military link see Colin MacKenzie of Mountgerald father of Simon. On the Estates link history of Mountgerald.
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Thank you again and again! I am busily getting through the information and leads you've kindly passed on. The links to the Mountgerald estate are fascinating, and will definitely contact the owners.
Also starting my search tonight for Kenneth's siblings and possible parents i.e. Alexander as a possibility! Thought it was interesting that he also noted his place of birth as 'Terentoch'. Sorry I know I've become a bit attached to this, but wondering if their is a connection to Ferintosh as it was a distillery and with Kenneth being a spirits dealer?..Will have a look at the siblings birth places to see if the same place comes up.
Ann, Kenneth's daughter also married a Simon Fraser before she arrived in Australia. He died not long after and she went on to become a land owner in her own right, astounding for a pioneer of south australia. So will look this up also with the new resources you've introduced me too. So thank you again.
Jmac.
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Good luck! If you get stuck again post on here. :)
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Ah! "Sarah (means princess): Derivatives are Sara, Sal, Sally, Salley, Sallie, Sadie, Sadey, Sada, and Saida. Sara is both the German and French form. "
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Hi. I hope you see this. I stumbled upon this thread whilst doing my own research. My name is Lesley McKenzie and I live at Mountgerald. The estate has been split many times, and we are not the original owners. We live in the coach house on the estate, and own Mountgerald farm, the buildings of which we now run as holiday cottages. It may be too late, but Waterloo is the name of a house, just below the farm, which was once part of the estate, but isn't any more. Someone else owns the estate house and surrounding land. If we can help in any way with information, we would be glad to, and would be grateful to receive information from others about the estate.
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Hi Lesley!
What fantastic news to see you've found this link! I'm a 4th generation 'Australian' Mckenzie and descended from a family who once lived on your property. I've been able to trace Kenneth and Margaret Mckenzie (formerly Fraser) in the 1841 and 1851 census as being firstly at Mountgerald and then at Waterloo. They then travelled to Australia, settling in South Australia and now have descendants spread all over the country.
If it isn't too much trouble it would be wonderful if you might be able to have a look at any documents, if you had time, that may still exist on the estate? Just trying to find any links that might find other family members or tell any stories of what they were doing. Kenneth was stated as being a spirit dealer and then carpenter. They had a large family, so I can only assume they must have come from large families back home.
But more importantly, thank you so much for finding and then responding to this message board, it was so exciting to see your post. I only wish I'd come across it earlier. I had a look years ago at the property photos online, what a beautiful place to live! Hopefully in the not too distant future I'll be travelling with my own family back to visit our roots.
Thanks again Lesley, your message was a joy!
Jesse Mackenzie-Wyer
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Interesting stuff Lesley, I posted a few months back on the Tallysow towards Evanton. The name crops up somewhere else!
Skoosh.
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I've been adding details relating to this branch on to my own family tree on Ancestry, and I've found this thread to be valuable for filling in some of the gaps, as well as in giving me greater insight, as to where Kenneth and his family hailed from. I've added a photo to my tree, which I have reason to believe is Kenneth, although I've superimposed some explanatory blurb, just in case it's not. It's the only way I could think of to show the photo to other interested parties, in the hope that they can either confirm the identity or otherwise, and yet not have everyone copying it willy-nilly on to their own trees, on the assumtion that it must be the man in question. The photo is one of a number that came out of an album that belonged originally to Kenneth and Margaret's (Peggy's) grand-daughter Annie McAdam (nee McKenzie) and her husband, William Staveley Taylor McAdam. The album now belongs to Annie's great grand-daughter, Liz Barbante (nee Cunnington), who has kindly shared the content, and allowed me to add it to my tree. I've just noticed that there's a facility here on Rootschat to add photos, so I'll give it a try. If it's of interest, there are a number of other photos from the album that remain unidentified, and I'd appreciate it greatly if you, or any other McKenzie descendants reading this, might be able to assist in putting names to them. Ever hopeful : )