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Title: Hyams family in Melbourne
Post by: Bellou on Sunday 30 June 13 21:45 BST (UK)
I am looking for any records about a Jewish family who moved from London to Australia about 1883. The father was called Samuel Hyams b 1850 and mother Amelia . They had 10 children including Abigail b 1880 and Miriam (who I believe was really Maria) b 1882 born in London. The 5 children after that I believe were born in Australia . Is anyone researching the family or any advice on records to look at?  Abigail and Miriam married two brothers called Freedman . How can I find the ship they travelled to Australia in?

Many thanks

bellou  :) :)

 
Title: Re: Hyams family in Melbourne
Post by: giblet on Sunday 30 June 13 23:13 BST (UK)
Hi,

Victoria state archives
August 1883 ship Pathan

HYAMS    ABIGAIL    3       
HYAMS    AMEALIA    31
HYAMS    JANE    9       
HYAMS    JOSEPH    5        
HYAMS    MARIA    I       
HYAMS    PHILLIP    6    
HYAMS    SAMUEL    33    

http://prov.vic.gov.au/

Trove the aussie newspapers online are a good source of information at times.

http://trove.nla.gov.au/ndp/del/search?adv=y
Title: Re: Hyams family in Melbourne
Post by: Neil Todd on Sunday 30 June 13 23:16 BST (UK)
Best place to start is with the reources section at the very top of the Australian Board.

http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/board,399.0.html

In there you will find links to most of what you are after starting with the Victorian Resources.
I am sure you will find it informative and interesting. ;D
If you get stuck just refer back to this post.
The Vic BDM should give you all the details including any marriages, it is a pay per view site however. >:(

Neil ;)
Title: Re: Hyams family in Melbourne
Post by: Bellou on Sunday 30 June 13 23:25 BST (UK)
Thank you so much Giblet and Neil Todd. That is so helpful

Bellou  :) :)
Title: Re: Hyams family in Melbourne
Post by: giblet on Sunday 30 June 13 23:28 BST (UK)
The Argus (Melbourne, Vic. : 1848 - 1957)
Wednesday 8 November 1899
HYAMS.—On the 7th November, at his residence,  618 Drummond-street, North Carlton, Samuel,     the dearly beloved husband of Amelia Hyams,   and father of Mrs. Jane Arons, of 119 Chapel street, Windsor, aged 50 years. Home and American papers please copy. May his soul rest  in peace. Minyan at 7.30.
-----------------------------------------
The Argus (Melbourne, Vic. : 1848 - 1957)
Monday 4 August 1924
 HYAMS. –On the 3rd August, 1924, at her daughter's residence, 147 Kooyong road, Caulfield,  Amelia, the beloved wife of the late Samuel Hyams, loving mother of Jane (Mrs. Aarons), Philip (America), Joseph, Abbie (Mrs. S.  Freedman), Miriam (Mrs. J. Freedman), Bar- ney, Simeon (Western Australia), Lewis (Ame- rica), Lydia (Mrs. H. Eilenberg), and Alfred,   aged 74 years. Minyan at above address Monday  and Tuesday evenings at 7.45 o'clock.    May her soul rest in peace.
Title: Re: Hyams family in Melbourne
Post by: rosball on Monday 01 July 13 00:01 BST (UK)
Death of Jane Aarons in 1941
AARONS - On April 3, at No 12 Mernda avenue, Glenhuntly, Jane, beloved wife of Louis Aarons,
and loving mother of Sam, Millie, and Miriam (Mrs. Hampson). (Private cremation.)
AARONS - On April 3, at No 12 Mernda avenue,  Glenhuntly, Jane, beloved sister of Philip, Joseph
Miriam (Mrs. Freedman), Barnett, Simeon, Lewis, Lydia (Mrs Eilenberg) and Alfred. (Private cremation.)

http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article8178712



cheers,
   Ros
Title: Re: Hyams family in Melbourne
Post by: giblet on Monday 01 July 13 00:03 BST (UK)
Name    HYAMS, SAMUEL
DOD    07-Nov-1899
Burial date    08-Nov-1899
Grave Location    G G 317
Compartment G row G
Cemetery    MELBOURNE GENERAL CEMETERY
http://www.mck.org.au/
Title: Re: Hyams family in Melbourne
Post by: rosball on Monday 01 July 13 00:08 BST (UK)
Death of Joseph Hyams in 1948

HYAMS.—On November 30, at his residence, 21 Foster avenue, Glenhuntly,
Joseph, loved brother of Barney (deceased), and brother-in-law of Ann.
—After a long illness at rest. May his dear soul rest in peace.

HYAMS.—On November 30, at his residence, 21 Foster avenue, Glenhuntly,
Joseph, loved brother of Jennie (deceased),. Phillip (U.S.A.),
Abbigail (deceased), Miriam (Mrs.Freedman), Barnett (deceased), Sim
(W.A.), Rebecca (deceased), Lewis (USA), Lydia (Mrs., Ellenbcrg), and Alfred.

HYAMS.—In fond memory of an untiring life member, Joseph, died November 30. (Inserted by
Glenhuntly Amateur Athletic Club.

http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article22700206
Title: Re: Hyams family in Melbourne
Post by: rosball on Monday 01 July 13 00:15 BST (UK)
Death of Barnett Hyams in 1944

HYAMS.-On July 25, Barnett, dear uncle of Sam, Mary, and Leonie Hyams,
32 Hammerdale avenue, East St, Kilda. -May his dear soul rest In peace.

HYAMS.-On July 25. Barney, dearly loved uncle of Millie (Mrs. Dyke), Barney (A.I.F.),
Harold (R.AA.F.), Alen (A.M.F.). Lionel (R.A.A.F.). Ronald (A.I.F.), Nancy
(A.W.A.S.). -May his dear soul rest in peace.

HYAMS.-On July 25, Barnett, loved brother-in-law of Barney, Sol, and Alf Lazarus,
 Susie (Mrs. S. Farr). Rosa (Mrs. H. Reynolds), Flora (Mrs. J. Hyams), Sylvia
(Mrs. J. Neal), and Eva (Mrs. E. Costa)

HYAMS.-On July 25, at the Alfred Hospital, Barnett (Barney), dearly loved brother
of Phillip (U.S.A.), Joseph, Miriam (Mrs. Freedman), Simeon (W.A.), Lewis (U.S.A.),
Lydia (Mrs. H. Eilenburg), and Alfred.-May his dear soul rest in peace.

http://trove.nla.gov.au/ndp/del/cite/629366/11353730
Title: Re: Hyams family in Melbourne
Post by: keinname on Monday 01 July 13 00:21 BST (UK)
Amelia Hyam d    4 Iyyar 5617 aged 26
Burial     Section A, Row A, Plot 198 in Melbourne General Cemetery in Carlton

Names below in bold are named in obituary of Amelia in 1924. Names not bolded are deceased before 1924.


Jane (c1874)

Jane Aarons d Glen Huntley 1941 in Victoria age 66 daughter of Samuel Hyams & Amelia Emanuel


Jane Aarons (Hebrew    Sheina) d 26 Apr 1940 aged 42
Burial took place   28 Apr 1940 at Melbourne Section MELB & EAST MELB HEB - A  Row A -Plot 538,

Father    Leib
Fawkner Cemetery



Phillip (c1877)

Possible death in America
Philip Hyams d 29th Dec 1945 buried Fairfield in Connecticut usa plot A69


Joseph (c1878)

Jos Hyams d Glen Huntley 1948 in Victoria aged 70, son of Samuel Hyams & Millicent Emanuel


Abigail (c1880)

Abigall Freedman d Malvern 1928 in Victoria aged 48 daugther of Samuel Hyams & Amella Emanuel


Miriam (c1882)

Miriam Freedman d aged 88 1970 at Caulfield in Victoria, parents Samuel Hyams & Amelia Emanuel


Barnet Hyams b 1884 Sydney in New South Wales no 552,
Father   Samuel Hyams
Mother    Amelia

Barnett Hyams d 1944 in Pran inVictoria (Prahran in Melbourne) aged 60, son of Samuel Hyams &


Simeon Hyams d 1956 Perth in Western Australia age 71 , parents Samuel & Amelia


Rebbecca Hyams b 1886 Melbourne in Victoria
Father Samuel Hyams, Mother Amelia

Rebecca Hyams d 1902 Carlton North, Victoria age 15 parents Saml Hyams & Amelia Emanuel

Lewis Hyams b 1888 Melbourne in Victoria, parents Samuel Hyams &  Amelia Emanuel

Possible death in Canada
Louis Hyams bd  11 Feb 1946  at Back River Memorial Gardens Cemetery Montreal, Québec in Canada Line 1, Grave 55
It is worth noting that the Burial date may be death date?   Sons Of Israel


Lydia Hyams b 1890 Melbourne in Victoria, parents Saml Hyams &    Amelia Emanuel

Lydia Eilenberg d 1959 Caulfield in Victoria, parents  Samuel Hyams &  Amelia Emmanuel


Abraham Hyams b 1892 Carlton in Victoria, Father    Saml Hyams, Mother Camelia Emanual



Alfred Hyams d 1968 St Kilda in Victoria age 75, Father Samuel Hyams, Mother Amelia Emanuel
Title: Re: Hyams family in Melbourne
Post by: rosball on Monday 01 July 13 00:23 BST (UK)
Death of Julius Freedman in 1924 http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article3918742
husband of Miriam, father of Millie, Barney, Harold and Lionel.

Lots of notices there ...

cheers,
   Ros
Title: Re: Hyams family in Melbourne
Post by: giblet on Monday 01 July 13 00:26 BST (UK)
United States Census 1930
Lewis Hyams
Bronx (Districts 501-750), Bronx, New York
Age:    42
Marital Status:    Married
Birthplace:    Australia
Birth Year (Estimated):    1888
Immigration Year:    1915
Father's Birthplace:    England
Mother's Birthplace:    England
Lewis Hyams    M    42    Australia
Wife    Marion Hyams    F    37    New York
Son    Phillip Hyams    M    8    New York
Title: Re: Hyams family in Melbourne
Post by: rosball on Monday 01 July 13 00:30 BST (UK)
A bit of scandal on Simeon  :o (think this is the correct one )
http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article79474769

cheers,
   Ros

adding his burial : http://www2.mcb.wa.gov.au/NameSearch/details.php?id=KB00105846
(died 18/10/1956)
Title: Re: Hyams family in Melbourne
Post by: cando on Monday 01 July 13 00:38 BST (UK)
As mentioned by Giblet
http://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper
I suggest you search The Argus for Victorian news items etc.

Many of us have resources for the Victorian BDM's so just ask.  Don't pay to view the index records on the website ;)

Births to your couple
HYAMS Rebbecca
Father Samuel  Mother Amelia EMANUEL
At Melbourne  1886  Reg#19947

HYAMS Lewis
Father Samuel  Mother Amelia EMANUEL
At Melbourne South   1888  Reg#13308

HYAMS Lydia
Father Samuel   Mother Amelia EMANUEL
At South Melbourne  1890  Reg#15083

Very poorly transcribed birth record
HYAMS Abraham   [?Alfred]
Father Samuel  Mother Camelia EMANUAL
At Carlton North  1892  Reg#30928

Daughter's marriage
HYAMS Jane born Brooklyn
ARONS Levy Louis
1894  Reg#1806

Death
HYAMS Samuel
Father Hyams Joseph  Mother Jane BENJAMIN
At Carlton North  50 years  1899   Reg#12959

Interred at the Melbourne General Cemetery, Jewish, Section G Grave#317A

HYAMS
In memory of
Samuel
beloved husband of Amelia HYAMS
died 7 Nov 1899 - 5600
age 50 years
A good husband and loving father
beloved by all who knew him
[Jewish inscription]

Marriages
HYAMS Mirian born England
FREEDMAN Julius born England
1908  Reg#2311

HYAMS Abigail born England
FREEDMAN Samson born Wales
1910  Reg#4978

HYAMS Philip born London
LOVELL Elizabeth
1902  Reg#7991

HYAMS Lydia
EILENBERG Henry Harris
1914  Reg#11764

HYAMS Alfred
FRANKLIN Pauline
1916  Reg#11431

Deaths
Slight confusion with Amelia's father's name

HYAMS Amelia
Father:Hyams Emanuel Phillip  Mother Abigail SIMMONS
At Caulfield  74 years  1924  Reg#9005

FREEDMAN Abigail
Father Hyams Samuel  Mother Amelia  EMANUEL
At Malvern  48 years  1928  Reg#15632

AARONS Jane
Father Hyams Samuel  Mother Amelia  EMANUEL
At Glenhuntly  66 years  1941  Reg#1941

HYAMS Joseph
Father Hyams Samuel  Mother Millicent  EMANUEL
At Glenhuntly  70 years  1948 13339

EILENBERG Lydia
Father Hyams Samuel  Mother Amelia  EMMANUEL
At Caulfield  69 years  1959  Reg#2921

HYAMS Alfred
Father Hyams Samuel  Mother Amelia  EMANUEL
At St Kilda  75 years  1968  Reg#14575

FREEDMAN Miriam
Father Hyams Samuel  Mother Amelia  EMANUEL
At Caulfield  88 years  1970  Reg#22625

May possibly be buried at the Brighton Cemetery.  Their burial records are not online.

I would mention here that we are not permitted on rootschat to copy and paste information from ancestry.

Cando












Title: Re: Hyams family in Melbourne
Post by: rosball on Monday 01 July 13 00:46 BST (UK)
Death notice for Rebecca in 1902

HYAMS - On the 10th May, at her mother's residence, 618 Drummond street, North Carlton, 
Rebecca, beloved fourth daughter of Amelia and the late Samuel Hyams, and sister of Mrs Jane 
Aarons, aged 16. May her soul rest in peace. 

http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article9074009
Title: Re: Hyams family in Melbourne
Post by: keinname on Monday 01 July 13 00:49 BST (UK)
This would not fit into previous post

Lydia Eilenberg, Hebrew Leah Bat Shmuel d 1 Mar 1959 aged 69 - 21 Adar I 5719
Burial 2 Mar 1959 at Necropolis Cemetery Springvale in Australia Section E, Row 15, Plot 21, 1
Father Name   Shmuel

Title: Re: Hyams family in Melbourne
Post by: cando on Monday 01 July 13 01:14 BST (UK)
Did they travel to NSW after their arrival....

552/1884    
HYAMS Barnet
Father Samuel Mother Amelia
District Sydney 

Death in Victoria
HYAMS Barnett
Father Hyams Samuel  Mother Amelia  UNKNOWN
At Prahran  60 years  1944  Reg#7462

Barnett is buried at the Springvale Botanical Cemetery along with a number of other HYAMS some of whom may be your family of interest.
http://smct.org.au/deceasedsearch/

Cheers  :)
Cando

Title: Re: Hyams family in Melbourne
Post by: cando on Monday 01 July 13 01:22 BST (UK)
Bellou I notice that The Hebrew Standard of Australasia [NSW : 1895 - 1953] has been digitised on TROVE and some items about your family of interest are mentioned in the Victorian news sections.  The full texts/items are not yet available but should be soon.
http://www.rootschat.com/links/0v17/

Cheers :)
Cando
Title: Re: Hyams family in Melbourne
Post by: cando on Monday 01 July 13 01:39 BST (UK)
Neil I do have a World sub but always use the Australian resources including my own, to research Aussie data.  Many errors on the online subscription website.

As I mentioned previously, Amelia HYAMS nee EMANUEL is buried in Brighton Cemetery. 
http://www.rootschat.com/links/0v18/

Brighton Cemetery burial records are coming online...soon ;)

Cando

Title: Re: Hyams family in Melbourne
Post by: Neil Todd on Monday 01 July 13 01:45 BST (UK)
 ;) I know you have many sources outside of Your ancestry and Don't copy and paste restricted copyright material. But unfortunatly some others do. As you rightly pointed out. :D

Neil ;D
Title: Re: Hyams family in Melbourne
Post by: rosball on Monday 01 July 13 02:37 BST (UK)
The US census records are on family search.

Lewis Hyams
Here is 1930 census which giblet posted https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/X76G-68S

And here is 1940 census https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/VTZD-1VZ

and probably his death https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/JK5Y-N24

cheers,
   Ros

adding :

Phillip Hyams
1920 https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/MJYP-J2Y
Title: Re: Hyams family in Melbourne
Post by: rosball on Monday 01 July 13 03:35 BST (UK)
Can see Simeon's marriage to Annie A Allsop in 1909  in Perth here http://www.wamarriage.info/
Also his remarriage?

I think the 19 year old son of Simeon and Annie mentioned in divorce case in 1930 is Barnett Hyams born 1909 here
http://www.bdm.dotag.wa.gov.au/_apps/pioneersindex/default.aspx

Can see Barnett's marriage  http://www.wamarriage.info/ in 1934
Title: Re: Hyams family in Melbourne
Post by: cando on Monday 01 July 13 04:27 BST (UK)
Quote
Name:    Amelia Hyam
Death Date:    4 Iyyar 5617
Age at Death:    26
Burial Plot:    Section A, Row A, Plot 198, 1
Burial Place:    Melbourne, Australia
Cemetery ID:    ASTL-03380
Cemetery:    Melbourne General Cemetery - Carlton
Cemetery Address:    Corner College Crescent and Princes Park Rd
selkcerf0142

This is not your family of interest - there are a number of HYAM records on the early Victorian bdm and shipping indexes. This lady is the wife of Phineas with maiden name MARSHALL and died in the same year as birth registration of son Edward at Ballarat. Birth announcement in Nov 1856
http://www.rootschat.com/links/0v1c/

Death reg
HYAM Amelia
1857  26 years  Born England  Reg#2610


Cando
Title: Re: Hyams family in Melbourne
Post by: cando on Monday 01 July 13 05:41 BST (UK)
I note that Samuel was a cigar manufacturer on the 1881 census but his only entry in a directory in Victoria does not list an occupation.  His occupation was labourer on he and his wife's arrival on the BALTIC in New York on 5 Sep 1873.

Sands & McDougall
1892
HYAMS Samuel  113 Princes Street, Carlton


Australian Electoral Roll -
1903 Victoria
HYAM Abigail  618 Drummond Street, Carlton   HD
HYAM Amelia  618 Drummond Street, Carlton  HD
HYAM Miram  618 Drummond Street, Carlton  Tailoress
HYAM Phillip  618 Drummond Street, Carlton  Commission Agent

1909
HYAM Abigail  11 Ashleigh Road, Armadale  HD
HYAM Amelia  11 Ashleigh Road, Armadale  HD
HYAM Barrett  11 Ashleigh Road, Armadale  Salesman

1914
HYAM Alfred 11 Ashleigh Road, Armadale  Lab assistant
HYAM Amelia  11 Ashleigh Road, Armadale  HD
HYAM Lydia  11 Ashleigh Road, Armadale  HD

1924
HYAM Amelia  147 Kooyong Road, Caulfield West  HD

Cando
Title: Re: Hyams family in Melbourne
Post by: Bellou on Monday 01 July 13 08:54 BST (UK)
Thank you everyone ! I can't believe how much information you have found and given me in such a short time. I posted this last night (UK time) and am just having breakfast and all the information has been posted . The wonder of the time difference !

best wishes

bellou  :) :)
Title: Re: Hyams family in Melbourne
Post by: Bellou on Monday 01 July 13 19:22 BST (UK)
From the records the two sisters Abigail and Miriam (Maria) Hyams married two brothers Julius and Sampson Freedman. Are there any records on how the Freedmans came to Australia and what they did? Was their father Barnett Freedman?

I have looked at lots of the links for the information you have posted . Really interesting .

Thank again

bellou  :) :)
Title: Re: Hyams family in Melbourne
Post by: giblet on Monday 01 July 13 20:27 BST (UK)
Yes there father was Barnett.

The Argus (Melbourne, Vic. : 1848 - 1957)
Saturday 28 March 1908

 FREEDMAN–HYAMS. –On the 12th February, by the Rev Dr Abrahams, assisted by Rev S M Solomon. Julius, youngest son of Barnett and Hannah Freedman, to Miriam, third daughter of Amelia Hyams of Armadale.

http://trove.nla.gov.au/ndp/del/article/10654532?searchTerm=hyam%20freedman&searchLimits=exactPhrase
Title: Re: Hyams family in Melbourne
Post by: giblet on Monday 01 July 13 20:36 BST (UK)
The West Australian (Perth, WA : 1879 - 1954)
Monday 27 July 1931

 FREEDMAN. — On Jnly 26, 1931, at Newcastle, N.S.W., Hannah Freedman, relict of the late B. Freedman and loving mother of Ray (Mrs. Rotenberg), Phinias (Newcastle), Simmy 9deceased), Joe (Melbourne) and Julius (deceased). Minyan every evening at the  Synagogue.
http://trove.nla.gov.au/ndp/del/article/32360923?searchTerm=%22hannah%20freedman%22&searchLimits=exactPhrase=hannah+freedman

NSW death index
12609/1931    
FREEDMAN    HANNAH    
father SAMUEL    
86 YRS MAYFIELD    
District MAYFIELD
Title: Re: Hyams family in Melbourne
Post by: giblet on Monday 01 July 13 23:23 BST (UK)
Hannah's death notice [post #27] states a "Mrs. Rotenberg" as one of the children.

I found this

The West Australian (Perth, WA : 1879 - 1954)
Wednesday 8 January 1913
FREEDMAN..-On January 5, at 33 Pepys-road. New Cross Gate, London, B. Freedman, be loved father of Mrs..I. Rotenberg. (By cable.) - Minyon every evening at 7.30 o'clock at 106 James-street, Perth


Deaths Mar 1913
Freedman    Barnett   age  65    Marylebone    volume 1a   page 740
The above death index is from Free BMD
http://www.freebmd.org.uk/
Title: Re: Hyams family in Melbourne
Post by: rosball on Monday 01 July 13 23:42 BST (UK)
Well-found giblet  :)

Rachel and Isaac Rotenberg burial http://www2.mcb.wa.gov.au/NameSearch/details.php?id=KB00058577 and http://www2.mcb.wa.gov.au/NameSearch/details.php?id=KB00111559

Death notice for Isaac in 1938 gives the children http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article34964006

W.A. BDM http://www.bdm.dotag.wa.gov.au/_apps/pioneersindex/default.aspx gives death of Rachel

ROTENBERG Rachel Rebecca female 91, father Barnett and mother Hannah reg#695



regards,
  Ros
Title: Re: Hyams family in Melbourne
Post by: giblet on Monday 01 July 13 23:46 BST (UK)
Thanks Ros  :)

Looks like the arrival of some of the family.

Index to Unassisted Inward Passenger Lists to Victoria 1852-1923
Arrived on the Salier February 1890
FREEDMAN    ANNIE    40 [I assume this is the mother Hannah??]   
FREEDMAN    JOSEPH    10    
FREEDMAN    JULIUS    8    
FREEDMAN    PHINEAS    20
Title: Re: Hyams family in Melbourne
Post by: giblet on Monday 01 July 13 23:56 BST (UK)
Hannah must have used Annie and Hannah, her death notice says Hannah and Phineas is noted as a child of hers.

NSW Death index

21595/1947    FREEDMAN    PHINEAS    BARNET JOSEPH    ANNIE    MAYFIELD
Title: Re: Hyams family in Melbourne
Post by: giblet on Tuesday 02 July 13 00:34 BST (UK)
1881 UK census

Barnett Freedman    33 born Wales about 1848
Anne Freedman    31 born Poland about 1850
Rachel Freedman    13 born Wales
Sampson Freedman    11 born Wales
Phineas Freedman    9 born Wales
Dora P. Freedman    1 born Wales

Barnet is noted as a Picture Frame Manufacturer Employs 6 Men & 1 Boy
Title: Re: Hyams family in Melbourne
Post by: rosball on Tuesday 02 July 13 01:39 BST (UK)
Sandgate Cemetery (one of the cemeteries near Newcastle) has photos of graves online. http://www.sandgatecemetery.org.au/

There is one for Hannah Freedman buried 27/7/1931 http://www.sandgatecemetery.org.au/index.php/our-records/undertake-a-search/article/7221879-freedman  (rather worn and hard to read  :()

Betsy and Bernard David Freedman are also there and may belong to famiy - can cross-check on NSW BDM to see who parents were.

regards,
   Ros


Title: Re: Hyams family in Melbourne
Post by: rosball on Tuesday 02 July 13 02:27 BST (UK)
Funeral notice for Phineas Freedman SMH  4 July 1947

 FREEDMAN-The Relatives and Friends of Mrs Lucy Freedman and Family are
Invited to attend the Funeral of their late beloved Husband,Father, Father-In-Law and
Grandfather respectively PHINEAS FREEDMAN of 51 Alfred Street Waratah Newcastle to move from the Funeral Parlours 223 Maitland Road Mayfield This Afternoon at 1 o clock for Beresfield Crematorium
Buses In attendance No flowers by request
http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article18033519

Death notice for his wife SMH Feb 6 1950
FREEDMAN Lucy Vincent -February 5 195O at her residence 51 Alfred Street Waratah relict of Phineas Freedman beloved mother of Simeon,Wallace, Rae (Mrs Drinan) Frank and Joseph
In her 75th year
http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article18144665

adding : and Bernard David Freedman at Sandgate cemetery is listed on BDM with parents Phineas and Lucy

adding : and according to electoral rolls Phineas was a photo frame manufacturer so the trade has been carried on :)
Title: Re: Hyams family in Melbourne
Post by: rosball on Tuesday 02 July 13 02:51 BST (UK)
According to Ryerson Index http://ryersonindex.net/search.php (index of recent death notices)

Simeon Hobart Freedman died in February 1997 and death notices in Newcastle Herald on 18 and 19 Feb

Francis Phineas Freedman died 9 July 1990 aged 79 at Newcastle and death notice in SMH 10 July 1990
Death Notice says FREEDMAN Francis Phineas (Frank) -- July 9,1990 at Newcastle, aged 79 years. At rest.

Barnett Joseph Freedman (Joe) funeral on 16 April 2010 aged 89 late of Yamba and formerly of Merewether

From NSW BDM Rachel Clifton Drinan died in 1981 with parents Phineas Myer and mother Lucy reg 101328/1981
regards,
   Ros
Title: Re: Hyams family in Melbourne
Post by: hettyhen on Tuesday 02 July 13 03:08 BST (UK)
Hello bellou,
Do you know much about the family before they went to Australia?   
  My gg grandfather, born Gibralter c1810, Joseph/Judah/Judas or Judaj POSWILLO married a Rebecca HYAMS, c1810/13, and haven't been able to find out anything more about either side of the family before they appear on the 1841 census in Barking so if there is a possibility  Rebecca was related to your family any information would be greatly appreciated.
Cheers
HeatherR
Title: Re: Hyams family in Melbourne
Post by: rosball on Tuesday 02 July 13 03:21 BST (UK)
Joseph Barnett FREEDMAN served in WW2 http://recordsearch.naa.gov.au/  (just hit begin your search no need to register

FREEDMAN Joseph Barnett  Service Number was N449873 DOB 15 Sep 1920 POB NEWCASTLE NSW Place of enlistment  NEWCASTLE NSW : Next of Kin - FREEDMAN Phineas

http://www.ww2roll.gov.au/Veteran.aspx?serviceId=A&veteranId=408545
regards,
   Ros
Title: Re: Hyams family in Melbourne
Post by: rosball on Tuesday 02 July 13 04:08 BST (UK)
Quote
Death of Julius Freedman in 1924 http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article3918742
husband of Miriam, father of Millie, Barney, Harold and Lionel.
Barnett Emanuel Freedman served in WW2  http://www.ww2roll.gov.au/Veteran.aspx?ServiceId=A&VeteranId=549039

Lionel Henry Freedman served in airforce WW2 http://www.ww2roll.gov.au/Veteran.aspx?serviceId=R&veteranId=891021 and  army http://www.ww2roll.gov.au/Veteran.aspx?serviceId=A&veteranId=623908  NOK is Miriam Freedman

Harold Emanuel Freedman in airforce http://www.ww2roll.gov.au/Veteran.aspx?ServiceId=R&VeteranId=1047821

regards,
  Ros

Title: Re: Hyams family in Melbourne
Post by: giblet on Tuesday 02 July 13 06:49 BST (UK)
Quote from: giblet on Monday 01 July 13 23:46 BST (UK)
Thanks Ros  :)

Looks like the arrival of some of the family.

Index to Unassisted Inward Passenger Lists to Victoria 1852-1923
Arrived on the Salier February 1890
FREEDMAN    ANNIE    40 [I assume this is the mother Hannah??]   
FREEDMAN    JOSEPH    10    
FREEDMAN    JULIUS    8    
FREEDMAN    PHINEAS    20


Sampson wasnt on the above passenger list so i wonder if this was his arrival a few years earlier  ???

FREEDMAN    SAMPSON   age 17    NOV    1886    ship HANKOW
Title: Re: Hyams family in Melbourne
Post by: nancyeg on Monday 08 April 19 15:01 BST (UK)
I am looking for the children of Wallace, Rae, Bernard David and Joseph Freedman.  I believe the names I have listed are children of Phineas (born 1872 and a photo frame mfg) and Lucy Freedman.  Phineas and Lucy also had twins Simeon and Frank, but I have their children names.

Can anyone help me?
Title: Re: Hyams family in Melbourne
Post by: cupoflife on Tuesday 09 April 19 01:32 BST (UK)
4828/1929 Bernard D. FREEDMAN; Phineas; Lucy; Waratah
Orbit: https://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/164025831
Probate Packet (often contains death certificate and other valuable information) https://www.records.nsw.gov.au/item/169580
Deceased Estate File: https://www.records.nsw.gov.au/searchhits_nocopy?id=15&surname=Freedman&firstname=Bernard&locality=&dateofdeath=&datedutypaid=
FREEDMAN, Bernard David; DoD 23/03/1929; Duty paid 22/04/1929; WaratahOccupation: picture framer;  Item Pre A 040508 [20/1338]
Bernard David Freedman - Date of Death 23/03/1929, Granted On 16/04/1929 #Series 4-158219
Sandgate Cemetery: Bernard David FREEDMAN
JEWISH  02
JEWISH-02-2
SGC-JEW1-02-601-0002
http://crm.nmclm.com.au//crm/CustomPages/OPMapDotNet/MapRenderV11.aspx?Longitude=151.703948&Latitude=-32.870515&Loca_LocationId=1247444&deceasedId=300353&emailSMSMode=true&fullScreenMode=false&printMode=true&publicAccessMode=true&decSearchMode=true
Title: Re: Hyams family in Melbourne
Post by: cupoflife on Tuesday 09 April 19 01:42 BST (UK)
NSW marriage: 16133/1928 Wallace H. FREEDMAN and Elizabeth WILSON; Wickham
FREEDMAN-WILSON wedding https://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/164027547
Title: Re: Hyams family in Melbourne
Post by: cupoflife on Tuesday 09 April 19 02:58 BST (UK)
NSW marriage: 21215/1947 Rachel Clifton FREEDMAN and Daniel Joseph DRINAN; Mayfield
Death: 101328/1981 Rachel Clifton DRINAN; PHINEAS MYER; LUCY
Probate notice SMH 13Mar 1981 Legal Notices pg 24 (pg 14 in this link): https://news.google.com/newspapers?nid=lL5f5cZgq8MC&dat=19810313&printsec=frontpage&hl=en
...application for Probate of the Will dated 15th October 1979 of RACHEL CLIFTON DRINAN late of Waratah Widow will be made by the PUBLIC TRUSTEE....
Newcastle Memorial Park, Beresfield https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/193477280/rachel-drinan
24898/1966 Daniel Joseph DRINAN; DANIEL; MARY AGNES; WALLSEND
Sandgate Cemetery: http://crm.nmclm.com.au//crm/CustomPages/OPMapDotNet/MapRenderV11.aspx?Longitude=151.705665&Latitude=-32.866992&Loca_LocationId=1263359&deceasedId=320740&emailSMSMode=true&fullScreenMode=false&printMode=true&publicAccessMode=true&decSearchMode=true