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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => England => Nottinghamshire => Topic started by: Charm3d on Tuesday 02 July 13 09:04 BST (UK)
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Hi,
Can anyone help me find the birth parents of William Wilson born 1900 (Nottinghashire?). He died in a coal mining accident on 22nd October 1946 in Cinderhill Nottinghamshire. The rumour is, he should have been born as "Teather". He lived in Eastwood Nottinghamshire for many years.
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You may need to do a bit more research and go one step at a time, in order to arrive at the correct birth registration. There is a William Wilson bn 1900 Nottinghamshire on freebmd, but also several in neighbouring years , plus you have a doubt on the name. So even ifyou got that cert, without other info you would have no guarantee it was thge right person.
Did he marry? If so who does he name as father on the marriage cert?
Have you found him in 1911?
What is the "tether" story- does he ever use that name?
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I know that it is the correct Birth date. I have info on his death, he died on 22nd October 1946 in a mining accident. He married Alice Gertrude Flint (Chambers) in March 1919. They lived at Hilltop Eastwood. I have lots of Census info that I have to study. It can get very, very confusing. The Teather story is what certain family members said. That he should have been born into the name Teather. They are no longer alive and the ones that are won't talk about any of it.
Thanks anyway, I'll get to the bottom of it, eventually. :)
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Hi,
Looking at the 1901 Census, there are 3 William Wilsons that fit with the date of birth that you give.
On the next Census there is only one that fits.
Does your William have a middle name?
As lizdb says the only William Wilson born 1900 in Nottingham is: Wilson William Nottingham 7b 389
Best wishes,
Copperbeech5
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I have found his birth registation, with the help of a friend.
Birth: William Wilson, Dec 1899, Basford, Vol: 7b, Pg 164.
Marriage: William Wilson and Alice G Flint, Jan-March 1919, Basford, Vol:7b, Pg: 294
I will get around to ordering the certificates at some point.
Thanks everyone
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Out of interest, how do you know that is the right birth ref?
It is one of the ones I refered to in my first post, but as I said then, it will not be easy to pinpoint the right one.
Maybe you now know his father's name from 1911 or from his marriage cert, so if/when you get the birth cert you can see if it matches?
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baptism Nottingham St Ann
19-2-1900 born 21-11-1899 William henry son of Albert and Annie Wilson of 17 Corporation Rd father a warehouseman.
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There is a marriage also in St Ann
23-11-1896 Albert Wilson and Annie Heaford
This fits with the 1901 census William H aged 1 year, and a brother in law with them William Heaford. Albert a warehouseman.
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Possibly William Wilson was the illegitimate son of Alice Wilson
Possibly Alice Wilson married George Teather in 1900
If William was b Hill Top/Eastwood then his birth would be registered in Basford district
I'll post some census in a mo
Suz
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It looks to me like Alice Mabel Wilson had an illegitimate son William Wilson
She then married George Herbert Teather - but it seems George Teather never gave William his name.
This looks like William in 1901 census
Raglan St Hill Top Eastwood Notts
Edward Limb Head M 43 Coal Miner Eastwood Notts
Elizabeth wife M 44 Greasley Notts
James Wilson son single 22 Coal Miner Hewer Eastwood
Daisy Limb daughter 14 Eastwood
Louisa Limb daughter 12 Eastwood
Elizabeth L Limb daughter 10 Eastwood
Dennis? Limb son 7 Hill Top
Hilda Limb daughter 2 Hill Top
WILLIAM WILSON grandson 1 Hill Top
RG13 3143 83 11
This is the Limb/Wilson family in 1891
1891
Walkers Row Codnor Derbys
Ed Limb Head M 33 Coal Miner Eastwood Notts
Elizabeth wife 34 Greasley
Esther Wilson stepdaughter 17 Works in Leather Works Greasley Notts
Ada Wilson step daughter 15 Works at Pottery Greasley
James Wilson stepson 12 Eastwood
Ann Wilson stepdaughter 10 Eastwood
ALICE MABEL WILSON stepdaughter 8 Eastwood
Daisy Limb daughter 4 Eastwood
Louisa Limb daughter 1 Eastwood
RG12 2659 8 9
There is a marriage FreeBMD
Dec qtr 1900
Basford
on same page
George Teather
Alice Wilson
7b 427
I think George's fiull name was George Herbert Teather
and Alice's was Alice Mabel Wilson
1901
Queen St Eastwood Notts
Ellen Cooke Head widow 48 Strelley Notts
GEORGE H TEATHER son married 20 Coal Miner Eastwood
MABEL A TEATHER daughter in law married 18 Eastwood Notts
Fanny E Teather infant 2mths Hill Top Easytwood
James Greenhalgh Lodger 48 Wheelwright Perry barr
RG13 3144 141 469
So it seems to me (you really need "key" certificates to prove/disprove)
Alice Mabel Wilson had an illegitimate son William Wilson
possibly the father was George Herbert Teather - or at least Alice's family thought he was
Alice married George Teather late 1900 and at the time of the 1901 census she was living with George and his widowed mother (who must have remarried as her name was Cooke - or George was illegit -more research needed on that) and they had a 2month old daughter Fanny E Teather.
So Alice's son William Wilson was with his grandparents while Alice nursed the new baby.
Here's another complication
Alice Mabel Wilson was the daughter of George Wilson & Elizabeth (haven't checked for her maiden name)
1881
17 Scargill St Eastwood Notts
George Wilson Head M 32 Coal Miner Kimberley Notts
Elizabeth wife 25 Beverley (Think this should be Begerlee) Notts
Ether daughter 7 Greasley
Ada daughter 5 Greasley
James son 2 Eastwood
Ann daughter 7mths Eastwood
and living next door
at no 16
William Limb Head U 28 Coal Miner Eastwood
EDWARD LIMB brother U 24 Coal Miner Eastwood
Sarah Limb sister U 21 Eastwood
Eliza A Limb sister U 18 Eastwood
RG11 3321 28 44
Death reg FreeBMD
George Wilson
age 34
Dec qtr 1882
Basford
7b 6c
so it looks like Alice Mabel was very young when her father died - then her Mum married Edward Limb -the next door neighbour.
It looks like George Teather never gave William Wison his name (George and Alice had more children together) and William Wilson was reared by his Grandmother and step grandfather Edward Limb & Elizabeth
To complicate matters further William Wilson was later described as a son of his grandparents and his name given as "William Limb" !!!!!!!
As I have stated you do need key certificates to confirm/deny
Just an afterthought - if you are thinking this is too complicated- I have a Limb in my family - he married a two times bigamist (she became a pillar of the community and was never "found out" in her lifetime) "my" Limb was her last husband and the family thought he was her brother !!!!!!
She had children in various names - one of them died 20 years ago and family visited her but thought she was an Aunt not a sister!!!!!!!
If you need anymore look ups just give a shout
(My music teacher was a George Teather - I'll see if he is related!!!!
Suz
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William Wilson 46, of 267 Nottingham Road, Hill Top, Eastwood. William died on 22nd October 1946, Fall of roof at Babbington pit.
The inquest was held on 25th October 1946 at the Colliers Arms Inn, Cinderhill.
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........and photographs of Babbington pit http://www.healeyhero.co.uk/rescue/Collection/shane/bab.htm
and some history http://www.thisisnottingham.co.uk/Pioneer-owner-North-died-57-poverty/story-12242592-detail/story.html#axzz2YG1SAt7B
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William Wilson 46, of 267 Nottingham Road, Hill Top, Eastwood. William died on 22nd October 1946, Fall of roof at Babbington pit.
The inquest was held on 25th October 1946 at the Colliers Arms Inn, Cinderhill.
The Colliers Arms was situated near the entrance to Babbington Pit - it was an Art Deco style building - only really used by miners .
I was taken to Babbington pit to see the Nurse in 1960's and was quarantined there (until someone could fetch me home)when I was diagnosed as having German Measles !!!!
The Music Teacher I mentioned in a previous post was George Hubert/Herbert Teather b.c. 1901 Eastwood died 1965/6. He was a coal miner but also gave piano & singing lessons. Wonder if he was related to your Teathers???
Suz
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One of the 'lost pubs' now The Colliers Arms at Cinderhill was burnt down whilst awaiting demolition.... according to the lost pubs website and very possibly because of the lack of use as babbington pits entrance 'moved' to Hucknall ( I think)
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The Colliers Arms was very very run down for many years -and I think was closed years before demolition.
By "the entrance moved to Hucknall - I assume you mean the coal was got from Babbington from Hucknall shaft
So sad the disappearance of the collieries -and the disappearance of the community life
Suz
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The Colliers Arms was very very run down for many years -and I think was closed years before demolition.
By "the entrance moved to Hucknall - I assume you mean the coal was got from Babbington from Hucknall shaft
So sad the disappearance of the collieries -and the disappearance of the community life
Suz
Yes that is what I mean....... I didn't explain too well did I ::)
I lived in the area for about 20 years and yes saw many pits close ..in Eastwood alone 40% of the men worked in the pit and most of the villages which were all built as pit villages and even 100 years after the pit had closed the majority who lived there were mining families.
The 1980s was a very difficult, and VERY dangerous time for ALL the community regardless of if you were from a mining family or not ( I'm not) while Notts miners worked down the road in Yorkshire they were striking, but Notts miners knew if they stopped all the pits in Notts would close.
In the villages we were sealed off by police, you had to prove you lived there to drive in, but the M1 runs though and on many occassions (lets say) raids were carried out on the community, we woke up to damaged cars, broken windows and paint everywhere, we even had police escorts to take our children to school ( and unfortunately needed it)....... so that is where my head went to when I was writing it.
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I lived through those times too -although for the second strike we were in S Wales - the hardship endured was unbelievable -am still in a local mining community today - although the children don't know what a coal fire is never mind a colliery - but better not go on -this isn't helping with the search for William Wilson/Teather/Limb !!!!
Hope the research is correct???
Suz
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Hi,
Can anyone help me find the birth parents of William Wilson born 1900 (Nottinghashire?). He died in a coal mining accident on 22nd October 1946 in Cinderhill Nottinghamshire. The rumour is, he should have been born as "Teather". He lived in Eastwood Nottinghamshire for many years.
http://eastmidlandsgenealogy.com/#/notts-coverage/4534966681 joining is free they have
Eastwood Baptisms 1711 to 1849
Eastwood Marriages 1711 to 1900........ hopefully if his parents were Eastwood people you will find them here
Eastwood Burials 1711 to 1880
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I would think if William was b Hill Top then his baptism would be at Greasley???
unless of course he was non conformist
May be worth checking both areas
Suz
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I would think if William was b Hill Top then his baptism would be at Greasley???
unless of course he was non conformist
May be worth checking both areas
Suz
Unfortuneatly their Greasley records are earlier..... but they may be some help to go back further
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Wow Suz, you are amazing.
You are right, I do need certificates to clarify everything. I do have William down as living with Grandparents (Edward Limb and Elizabeth 1901 Census), Also have the same George Wilson that she was previously married to before he died. It says that her maiden name was Guiler and she married George in June 1874, registered at Basford 7b 241. You are definitely spot on with Williams death, I know about this already. You see William was my Great Grandfather. My family already knew about his death. I contacted the Babbington Colliery to obtain info on his death. If you are correct about the information on his Father being Teather. You are a genius, this has been a mystery for years.
I am now living in BC Canada, which makes it difficult to check details. My moving to Canada is what made me want to research my family tree. So as I can pass the information down to the future generations that will be born here.
Thank you so much for your time and effort. :)
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I don't know if I have already metioned this. William Wilson married Alice Gertrude Flint (Born Chambers). They married in March 1919, Registered at Basford. Alices birth is also a mystery, although I'm quite sure that her Mum was Sarah E Chambers. They are all from Hilltop and Eastwood area. I don't need info on their marriage I already have it.
Thank you so much everyone, I love this site. ;D
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Can anyone look up full details for birth certificates? I need the full details to the following, or atleast Mothers Maiden name:
Surname: Wilson Forename: William District: Basford Vol: 7b Page: 164
Thanks. :)
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You havent given a date
Mothers maiden name is shown in the index after 1911
Otherwise you will need to buy a copy of tne cert for that info
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Can anyone look up full details for birth certificates? I need the full details to the following, or atleast Mothers Maiden name:
Surname: Wilson Forename: William District: Basford Vol: 7b Page: 164
Thanks. :)
I think you omitted Dec qtr 1899 ??
You have all of the ref you need to order birth cert from the GRO - £9.25 per cert
You have mother's name -Alice Mabel Wilson
You may find a baptism record - but for details on the birth certificate you need to order the certifiate
Suz
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Have you considered this baptism
William Wilson bapt 2.4. 1900 to William Wilson & Alice at St Ann's Nottingham, occupation Vanman, abode 34 Bellevue Road.
William Wilson married Alice Bamford 2.8. 1897 at St Ann's, Nottingham
Carol
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Thanks everyone,
I have been talking to family members and they insist that William should have been born a "Teather". It looks like his parents could have been "Alice Mabel Wilson" and "George Herbert Teather". I don't understand why he didn't live with them though. He would have been born out of wedlock and "Alice" would have been around 17 years old when she had him.
I can't prove any of this, yet, I will have to keep digging. It doesn't help when elder relatives refuse to give info.
Thank you so much for all of your help. I am going to have to order certificates at some point. I know that won't guarantee the Fathers name but it will ensure his Mothers.
:) :)
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You are right, I do need certificates to clarify everything. I do have William down as living with Grandparents (Edward Limb and Elizabeth 1901 Census), Also have the same George Wilson that she was previously married to before he died. It says that her maiden name was Guiler and she married George in June 1874, registered at Basford 7b 241.
Marriage Kimberley Holy Trinity
25-5-1874 George Wilson and Elizabeth Guiler.
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I now have the birth certificate for William. So I know who his mother was but the father is listed as unknown.
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You say in an earlier post that you have the details of William Wilson's marriage.Marriage certificate hopefully.
Is a father for William mentioned on there? Or left blank?
The fact that William was living with his grandparents, makes me think Mr Teather was not his father.
My great great grandmother M.C ,had an illegitimate daughter,my gt grandmother, who lived with M.Cs parents as their child. M.C married the following year, and named her second child the same as her illegitimate one! My gt grandmother married naming her grandfather as father on her marriage certificate.
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http://boards.ancestry.co.uk/localities.britisles.england.ntt.general/7448/mb.ashx
Just found this......
Seems Alice had very little to do with her first child.