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Hi Keith
That's very generous of you. If Caxton is transcribed could you see if there is a marriage of William BRIGHT to Elizabeth in 1819-21 - their eldest child was baptised in Caxton in 1821.
Many thanks
David in wet windy and thoroughly miserable south of France
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My first customer, David, how exciting!
Of course I'll look that one up for you. Incredibly it was 71 degrees fahrenheit here in Cambridge yesterday...
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David,
I hope I haven't duplicated too much of what you have already.
The marriage at Caxton on 10th October 1820 of William BRIGHT and Elizabeth CORKETT (signed her name with a x), both of this parish, by Banns. Witnesses: Samuel Corkett and Geo Smith.
I'll give you listings of all the CORKET/CORKETT and BRIGHT marriages, baptisms and burials I found for Caxton in the transcripts in a book covering 1741-1851,
Marriage: on 29-04-1788 between John CORKET (x) of this parish; and Mary CHAPMAN (x) by Banns. Witnesses: Edward Bullen and Henry Anable.
Baptisms: 13-03-1796 Charlotte daughter of John and Mary CORKET
25-11-1798 Samuel son of John and Mary CORKET
03-01-1802 Elizabeth d. of John and Mary CORKET
22-09-1805 Robert s. of John and Mary CORKET
22-04-1810 Sarah d. of John and Mary CORKETT
I'm guessing that the Elizabeth CORKET, b. 1802, is the bride of William BRIGHT in 1820, and they appear to have the following children baptised:
12-08-1821 Charlotte daughter of William (shoemaker) and Elizabeth BRIGHT
11-01-1824 David son of William and Elizabeth BRIGHT
05-02-1826 Amelia d. of William and Elizabeth BRIGHT
25-05-1828 Mary Ann d. of William and Elizabeth BRIGHT
25-09-1835 John s. of William and Elizabeth BRIGHT.
(N.B. William's occupation throughout given as shoemaker)
Just to throw a few more pieces of your family jigsaw in, here are the burials:
09-03-1806: Robart CORKET, son of John and Mary, infant
03-08-1813: Charlotte CORKET aged 18
31-01-1832: Sara CORKET aged 22
30-07-1835: Mary CORKETT aged 66
and finally, burials for:
27-10-1835: Elijah BRIGHT aged 4
01-11-1837: Elizabeth BRIGHT aged 36
12-10-1851: Mary Anne BRIGHT aged 23
See how some of those burials tell of sad premature endings to some of those lives...
very best wishes,
Keith
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Thanks very much Keith, just what I wanted. All of the other Corketts are a bonus, and I didn't have baptism dates either for the Brights, just the year, so nothing has been duplicated.
Thanks again
David
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David,
Glad to have been of assistance...With you in the South of France and me just a couple of miles from the Cambs Record Office, feel free to ask again for any look-ups there...
Keith
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Hi Keith,
When on your next visit to the CCRO would you be so kind to look for the birth of James Hayden of Thriplow c.1775
I have found two marriages for a James Hayden in 1799 on the IGI, one to Mary King at Thriplow 9 June and the other to Mary King at Barley 16 June. I don't know if they are the same couple but have based James' birth from this year.
Any help you can give me Keith will be much appreciated :) :)
Cheers Juddee from Oz
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Juddee,
Will have a look in both the Thriplow and Barley transcripts on Friday, hopefully. Though I've just had a thought - Barley is in Hertfordshire. There seems to be quite a lot of slipping across the County line that I've come across recently...
Keith
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Keith,
Thank you for that.......just whenever time permits :) :)
I think that James (David's grandfather) is the link to David and Ann living in Thriplow as they are entered in the 1851 census for that town. Perhaps David went to Thriplow to work for rels...who knows ??? ???
Looking forward to seeing what you may find Keith ;D ;D
Cheers Juddee
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Hi Keith
... and while you're there, could you check for a Martin marriage please? From the 1841 census, there is the following household at North Brink, Wisbech St Peter:
James Martin, b. 1772
Ann Martin, b. 1806
Hannah Martin, b. 1816
Mariah Martin, b. 1828
Mary Martin, b. 1832
Roady Martin, b. 1833
Elizabeth Martin, b. 1837
Judging from the dates, James' wife is not amongst that lot. Would it be possible to locate James' marriage to see who his wife was? (I have the suspicion that those younger ones are grandchildren.)
There seems to be quite a few Martins in the area, so if there are too many James Martins, please don't waste any time looking further - I'll be content with what I already have.
Many thanks from yet another warm, sunny, clear day in Cyprus.
Koromo
:)
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Hi, Koromo,
Lucky you in such a sunny environment still. Autumn temperatures are now just beginning to come to Cambridge after a glorious late summer...
Yes, of course I'll have a look for that MARTIN family of yours, unless someone pops up with the marriage before Friday. And I do realise how populous the Martin's are, as some time in the past I was searching nationwide for a death for a Thomas Martin, and gave up when I realised there were sometimes as many as 25 per quarter.
But perhaps Wisbech St Peter's will not be quite so difficult.
very best wishes,
Keith
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Ah, but at this time of year you are the lucky one - surrounded by all those glorious autumn colours. Out here with evergreen trees, blink your eyes and you've missed autumn! :-\
Thanks :)
K.
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I'm researching the Skippage family knowing only of my mother's grandmother who was born Caroline Skippage in 1844 at West Wratting to Charles Skippage and his wife Eliza (nee Twinn) - believed to have been married at Linton in June 1841.
Caroline was at the Rectory in Chelsfield Kent for the 1881 census.
Are you able to verify or find details regarding any of the following (or guide me in the right direction) so that I may then seek copies of the relevant extracts as you may advise:
1 Details of marriage of Charles Skippage and Eliza Twinn (date, location, parents, witnesses, occupations etc)
2 Details of children of Charles and Eliza (ie siblings of Caroline)
3 Birth and death details of Charles (possibly died 1892 at Linton) and Eliza (possibly died in Sept 1852 ie died young). Did Charles remarry?
4 Parents and siblings of Charles and Eliza (was this Charles the son of William and Hannah (m 1812) who had children around 1812-1820 at Burrough Green?)
5 The relationship to Charles Skippage who was married to Lucy(?) and produced several children in the 1840s at Balsham.
6 Where any of these folk resided for any census
Regards John K
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John,
I've noted down all these details re your SKIPPAGE family, and will do my best to hunt out the truth - according to the Parish transcripts, anyway, on Friday!
Very best wishes,
keith
p.s. One thing I'm not quite sure about, and that's the location of Borough Green; the only place I know of that name is in Kent, or is this a small location in the parish of Linton or West Wratting? K
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Keith
Thanks for your enthusiasm. Burrough Green is about 3 miles NE of West Wratting. Regards John
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Hi John
1841 and 1851 census indexes are available on the Cambs FHS website http://www.cfhs.org.uk/Search.html
If you find who you want and need full details just put a post on the Cambs lookup request board and I or someone else will look it up.
For later censuses just post a request - folks are racing to do look ups!
Regards
David
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Hi David
Wow - I had no idea that folk are so keen. I'm so pleased to get some help.
It looks like the 1841 entry is
SKIPPAGE Charles 20 West Wratting HO107/71/12 13B
SKIPPAGE Eliza 20 West Wratting HO107/71/12 13B
Perhaps they got married just days before the census! But they are missing from 1851.
and this one looks interesting for 1851 - as potential parents of Charles (but where were these 2 in 1841?)
SKIPPAGE John 62 West Wratting HO107/1761 422A
SKIPPAGE Susan 62 West Wratting HO107/1761 422A
Thanks for any help
regards John K
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Hi again, Koromo,
Last week I had half a dozen separate look-ups for various people, and one out of those was unsuccessful. This week again I had six or so requests, and the bad news for you in sunny Cyprus is that yours was the one this week that yielded hardly anything in the way of fresh results, I'm afraid.
I suppose hoping that one could look in the parish registers for Wisbech St. Peter, where James Martin was living in that Census, is rather wishful thinking.
I did indeed look in the Wisbech St. Peter Parish records, but could find no reference to a marriage, or baptisms for any of those MARTIN individuals (children and possibly grandchildren) that you listed.
I also looked for that period in Boyd's Marriage Index for Cambridgeshire, and found only 2 possibly entries for a James MARTIN:
An 1805 marriage to a Mary Waters in Coveney in 1805, and
an 1809 marriage to an Elizabeth Edwards in Wicken in 1809, though this last would probably be too late to fit with a child, Ann, born in 1806.
Perhaps if you can get hold of this family in the 1851 or later Censuses for Cambs., there might be details of where exactly they were born (and raised).
Extremely sorry,
Keith
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Kia Ora from the South Pacific
It takes a long time for we Kiwis to wake up so I sincerely hope I am not too late for your offer!
I have a Wiliam Fairey who married Mary Unknown and they went to live in Great Catworth. Mary was born 1776 in Swavesey and I am hoping the marriage took place there circa 1796-1800. They had a son in 1806 in Gt Catworth so possibly had other children earlier. Is that too vague a request? I am aware that I have very little information so don't hesitate to let me know!
Thank you very much indeed for the offer.
Sincerely
Marlene
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Hi Marlene, (or Kia Ora to you too - sounds much more exotic!),
As you may have seen I spied a loophole of opportunity yesterday and took it, by visiting the CCRO a couple of days before I had intended this week. The nature of my existence at the moment is that I'm not really very sure about even a few days in the future (sounds rather ominous, doesn't it?), so I try to do my research when the chance presents itself.
However, I will certainly have a look, probably next week now, for your FAIREY's in Gt. Catworth or Swavesey. I must admit I've not come across Gt. Catworth before - is it close to Swavesey?
Very best wishes,
Keith
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Hi again, Juddee,
I'm going to PM you presently with all the HAYDEN baptisms, marriages and burials I found in the 1538-1996 Thriplow Parish Transcript book.
Suffice to say, I could not find that 1799 marriage to Mary King, so perhaps it did indeed take place across the county line in Barley, Herts. I hope that amongst all the info I send you you might be able to piece together a bit of a HAYDEN tree...
Very best wishes (and give me about half an hour to word-process it all!
Keith
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Hi again, John (as in 47jonno),
Finally got to your look-up, and I looked at West Wratting, Balsham and Burrough Green parishes for your SKIPPAGE's yesterday. Hopefully, some of your questions will be answered by the following:
In the West Wratting 1579-1889 parish transcript book I found:
A marriage: John SKIPPAGE bachelor to Susan STARLING spinster b.o.t.p. Witnesses: Mileson Poulter, Sarah Baker.
The following SKIPPAGE baptisms are to John (a labourer) and Susanna (sometimes Susan) SKIPPAGE, presumably the happy couple:
03-02-1814: Mary (but her burial entry: 06-02-1814 aged 6 weeks)
10-07-1815: Mary
02-05-1819: Charles
17-03-1822: Caroline ( but her burial: 22-03-1822 aged 5 weeks)
25-05-1828: Caroline ( then, sadly, presumably her burial: 30-09-1832, Caroline SKIPPAGE, aged 5)
There's another burial, for a John SKIPPAGE, aged 68 on 21-04-1854.
There are only 2 more baptisms for this family in West Wratting: 02-01-1842: Charles s. of Charles (labourer) and Eliza SKIPPAGE
and: 26-01-1845: Caroline d. of Charles and Eliza SKIPPAGE
No sign of a wedding for Charles and Eliza in W.Wratting, though there is a burial: 03-08-1852 Eliza SKIPPAGE of Town St. aged 31 (Charles's young wife?)
Then to Balsham where is a marriage on 14-05-1819 for:
Charles SKIPPAGE bachelor to Lucy DICKERSON spinster b.o.t.p. (My remark now - could this be the same Charles, earlier in his life?)
There's a gap of 10 years from the date of this marriage until the first recorded baptisms in the Balsham transcripts - barren years, or did they live somewhere else for a decade?
22-11-1829: Jasper s. of Charles and Lucy SKIPPAGE
09-12-1832: Ephraim s. of Charles and Lucy SKIPPAGE
15-05-1836: Nathan s. of Charles and Lucy SKIPPAGE
10-02-1839: Una d. of Charles and Lucy SKIPPAGE
24-06-1842: Mary Ann and Melinda daughters of Charles and Lucy SKIPPAGE
Burials in Balsham: 02-02-1849: Charles SKIPPAGE aged 50
06-04-1851: Jasper SKIPPAGE aged 21
I looked for the Charles/Eliza marriage in Linton, but there were no SKIPPAGE entries there at all. I looked them up in the Boyd's Marriage Index, and found an entry that simply stated:
William SKIPPAGE and Han. ALLEN 1812 Burrough Green
Extremely fortunately for you they have just begun to transcribe the Burrough Green registers - they were in a special place, and there I found:
Marriage: William SKIPPAGE bachelor and Hannah ALLEN spinster b.o.t.p. on 12-10-1812 Witnesses: George Price and Ann Gray
Subsequent Baptisms there: 05-07-1813: Mary d. of William and Hannah SKIPPAGE
28-01-1816: Sarah d. of William and Hannah SKIPPAGE
In both these entries William's occupation is given as labourer.
Finally, a burial: 13-04-1834: Sarah SKIPPAGE o.t.p. aged 19
That's it - hope it helps. I'm going for a lie down...
Keith
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Hi Keith
Thank you so much. This has helped a lot. Regards John
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Dear Keith
Thank you so much for looking. I'll search in the later census and see if any of them feature. Seeing as how in the next generation of Martins there are illegitimate children, I get the feeling that maybe this family were not too concerned about registering births ... probably gave their parish church a wide berth!
Best regards
Koromo
... and a Kia ora to that fellow kiwi, Marlene. :)
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Hi, John and Koromo,
Glad I was of some assistance - and I see that you've had quite a bit of good help elsewhere, Koromo, on the Censuses with that MARTIN family of yours. Great!
Very best wishes,
keith
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Hi Keith
When I was a boy kia ora was a de luxe orange squash, which even if it was still on the market today I wouldn't be allowed to touch as it's non-alcoholic!
Enough frivolity, down to the serious business - genealogy.
Next time you amble along to the record office could I trouble you check out the following, very specific, events:
Stapleford Cambs -
11 Dec 1758 Marriage John FORD - Anne IS(S)ON Any detail/witnesses would be of great interest.
24 May 1759 Baptism William FORD son of the above
Milton Cambs - 15 Nov 1761 Baptism John Ford (my 4 x g grandfather) 2nd son of John above. This date I found on a US website and would love to be able to verify it, as it's the only instance of this family appearing in Milton. They must have been in transit between Stapleford and Fenstanton, Hunts. where son number 3 was born
No rush
Many thanks and best regards
Bon weekend
David
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David,
I thought exactly the same thing as you when the first of those Kia ora's came up from across the world from our two Kiwi Rootschatters. Nearly mentioned the orange juice thing there and then, but held my council. (Actually, I've had an impossible time trying to track down my Del-Rivo Italian roots - all I ever turn up when I google hopefully for them is that d**n Del-Rivo juice that sells so widely in the shops here)
Am presently on a (so far) strict regime of no alcohol to try and lose some weight, but 6 weeks later I'm beginning to realise that other drinks really are a boring alternative...
However, lighter and more sober, I shall certainly climb Castle Hill, Cambridge, in the near future and hunt out those pieces of genealogy for you. Just a little patience, in case I don't get there next week...
Keith
p.s. Amazing - the Rootschat site has edited my 4-letter mild expletive, I've noticed...!
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KIA ORA guys!
Very useful expression as it is both a greeting and "thank you'!
The orange juice was probably from Rarotonga not Aotearoa!
Gird your Loins (?) fellows the All Blacks are coming and you'll definitely need fortified intake of some sort!
I'm trying to make sense of what my Faireys were doing for Keith and it's too early for such talk.
Upside down & down under
Marlene
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Marlene,
Those FAIREY's are down on the list for next time at Shire Hall as well- but of course if you can find any more details or clues before I go, then let me have them...
Keith
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David,
I've just re-read your details for those look-ups I'm hoping to do for you next week, and I notice you mention the 3rd son of John and Anne Ford being born in Fenstanton, Hunts. Do you realise that Fenstanton is now in Cambs, and would you like me to verify that baptism as well at the CCRO?
Keith (The Del-Rivo Kid - bit of competition for those Kia ora Kids - sorry, it's geting rather late...)
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Hi Keith
If Cambridge has the Hunts transcripts as well then that would be great, if it's not too much additional work - there were 5 Fords baptised at Fenstanton, details of which I took from the BVRI, but any additional detail would be useful:
Thomas 20 Oct 1764; Ann and Sarah 1 July 1770 - Ann buried possibly 8 Feb 1772; Ann 9 May 1773 possibly buried 10 Aug 1783; James 4 Apr 1779; Thomas buried 9 Dec 1792 which I think may have been the Thomas baptised in 1764, although by then the rest of the family had moved to Papworth St Agnes (the parish register of which I have been through)
Many thanks for the offer
Del Monte
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Hi again, David,
Right, I've got all that. But it you think I'm going to help you with your Italian (?) Del Monte genealogy, you've got another think coming...I'm up to me eyes already (drowning in 5 feet plus of orange juice) with my Del-Rivo line. And don't even mention the Kia ora clan.
Keith (I think I'm off for a coffee and croissant now, that's really told him...)
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Hi Keith
Looks like the info you have given me is all coming together and pointing me in the right direction :) :)
A huge thank you
Cheers Juddee
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Hi again, Juddee,
Very glad that things are beginning to slot together. You must excuse the juicy banter going on between David (Bedfordshire Boy) and I - we both really take this family history thing extremely seriously. In fact, I'm popping up to the CCRO again on Friday, all things being equal, to look up a few details on his FORD family...
Very best wishes,
Keith
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Hi again,Marlene,
Went to the CCRO today as promised, and all I've got to do now is interpret my messy notes, so here goes:
I first looked in the 1576-1875 Swavesey Parish transcripts, but the only entries were three marriages in 1722, 1725 and 1748. So I turned then to the book of 1679-1882 Gt. Catworth Parish transcripts. There was a baptism on 19-05-1776 for a William FAIRY son of Mary Fairy. (no father given)
There was a long sequence of baptisms to Thomas and Mary FAIRY, starting with a William in 1812, and continuing in 1814, 1815, 1818, 1819, 1822, 1824, 1826, 1827 and 1829!
There was just one BASSET entry, a marriage on 30-04-1748 between Elizabeth BASSET and John SELBEY
Looking at the VOS/VOSS name, there was a marriage on 14-02-1703 between Thomas VOS and Hannah BEULY, which resulted in the following unhappy statistics:
Elizabeth VOS bapt. 24-12-1704 buried 22-02-1710
John VOS bapt. 04-11-1711 buried 17-08-1714
Thomas VOS bapt. 31-10-1714.
Then, a Thomas VOS buried 31-08-1724 (was this the father?) because: buried 14-03-1731 Hannah VOS widow.
Finally, I looked in the 1608-1967 Ellington Parish transcripts.
Only these baptisms: Sarah FAIREY d. of William and Sarah on 19-08-1761.
15-04-1832: James FAIREY s. of William and Charlotte
30-11-1845: Sarah FAIREY d. of David and Mary
Not a very cohesive bunch of entries, but that was all I could find, I'm afraid...
Keith
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Whoopsie Daisy Keith now you have really turned my world upside down!
But firstly thank you very much indeed for all your hard work! I'll note all the apparently disjointed bits as I am sure they will all come together one day!
What has completely thrown me is the info from Gt Catworth. The long series of baptisms..!
I have William bap 1812 and then a huge gap to George 1826, Charles 1828, Phoebe 1829, Ann 1835, and Eliza 1837!
To make matters worse I have Thomas married to Sarah Mitchell in 1808 in Bletsoe and their first son was Thomas Mitchell Fairy bap 1810 in Riseley Beds.
Thomas & Sarah are together through the 1841,51,61 censii until Thomas dies in 1866 and Sarah in 1867.
I thought there was something funny about this family having a huge gap between children of about 14 years but thought maybe they moved out of town for a while!
Your sequence is much more logical (apart from the wives names (!)) but I am missing all the actual dates from William (1812) onwards.
I hate to ask you to get them for me because you have already been so very helpful but perhaps you could tell me if I can get a copy of the transcript? And if so where from?
Many many thanks once again
The kia ora kid ....going to get something stronger before midnight!
Marlene
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Dale,
Being turned upside down is one of the problems with living in NZ, I've been told...! But, seriously, unearthing new evidence often upsets the applecart. I've found some of my ancestors quite elusive in the late 18thC and early 19thC, and have turned them up - eventually - in Nonconformist registers, etc.
Take time to digest it all, over that stiff drink you promised yourself...
Keith
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Hi again, David (Bedfordshire Boy),
Well I visited the CCRO yesterday, as you can see, but I don't think I've pushed forward the frontiers of your FORD family very much. However, there might be one or two extra bits for your eagle eye:
Stapleford: Marriage on 11-12-1758 : John FORD, bachelor of Milton and Ann (x) ISSON spinster o.t.p. William Bell, curate, other witnesses Robert Williams and Matt Moule
Baptism: 24-05-1759: William FORD s. of John and Ann
Now, in Milton: Baptism: 15-11-1761: John FORD s. of John and Anne admitted into the congregation Nov. 22nd.
Frustratingly, the Fenstanton records were nowhere to be found, though I KNOW I looked in them when I went earlier in the year. The main archivist was away on Friday, and her stand-in wasn't as familiar with where everything was.
Then I looked at Papworth St Agnes (1558-1975), and noted down the 8 FORD baptisms to John and Anne between 1788 and 1806, but then came home and read that you'd already got these, so I won't trouble you with those!
I'm just a little bit disorganised this weekend...
very best wishes, (and hope those Fenstanton records turn up again for next time)
Keith
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Hi Keith
The Stapleton and above all Milton entries were the ones I really wanted, and you've confirmed what I was looking for. Don't go out of your way for the FenStanton ones - they're more nice to know rather than need to know.
Thanks very much once again for checking these out for me
Best regards
David
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Right you are, David,
I had fun for a few hours there on Friday, anyway...
Keith
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Hi Keith,
I'm back again with another request (or two!)
When next at the CCRO and time permits could you check the following death entries for me please? :) :)
Ann Hayden died Mar 1/4 1852 Royston Vol 3a Page 126
Henrietta Hayden died Mar 1/4 1853 Royston Vol 3a Page 150
The image on FBDM for Henrietta is very hard to read but I believe I have the right Hayden.
Any info dates etc you can supply on the mother and daughter will be much appreciated, Keith. :) :)
Cheers Juddee
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Hi again, Juddee,
I'd be very to happy to look things up for you again next time I'm at the CCRO, but I think you'll find that Royston is in Hertfordshire...
Very best wishes,
Keith
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Sorry Keith :-[ :-[
;D ;D ;D Got all excited when I found them listed under county Cambridge as they were living in Thriplow in 1851 according to the census records ......I've now found them in the Hertford deaths as well soooooo....
I will go post a topic on the Hertford Lookup Board. :D :D
Thanks Keith
Regards Juddee :D
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Dale,
Did you in fact want me to get the details of those baptisms to Thomas and Mary FAIRY from 1814 to 1829 inclusive - I didn't at the time think they were significant to your research...?
Keith
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Kia Ora Keith!
if you have time I would love ANY details of Faireys in Great Catsworth but only if you can spare the time!
I am very conscious that a lot of others are seeking any info too and feel very greedy!
This is what I have (open to debate of course!)
1. Thomas Farey was born c. 1789 in Riseley Beds. His baptism was not recorded there as the relevant pages are missing from the Parish Records. Info as to birthplace assumed from later censii.
2. I have him marrying Sarah Mitchell Nov 1808 in Bletsoe. Sarah was born Eynesbury according to later censii.
3. I have as their children;
Thomas Mitchell Fairy bap 1810 in Riseley to parents Thomas & Sarah
William Fairy 1812 - (assumed parents to be Thomas & Sarah as he says he was born Gt Catworth.)
George 1826
Charles 1828
Phoebe 1829
George , Charles & Phoebe are with parents Thomas & Sarah Fairy on the 1841 census.
4. Later I have Thomas Mitchell Fairy 1810 marrying Mary Warren Nov 1834 with the following children:
Thomas Mitchell Fairy born 1833 died 1833
George Fairy 1836
Priscilla Fairy 1838
Charlotte Fairy 1842
These dates are approximate as they are taken from Censii.
5. I have William Fairy 1812 marying Ann Dickens? no dates and having:
Amy Fairy 1835
Eliza 1837
Joseph 1839
Thomas 1840
Henry 1843
Charles 1846
John 1849
Again the date of birth has been approx.
There wil be other Fairys but if you can clarify any of the above I will be over the Southern Cross and heading for the moon!
I appreciate some wives may have died and been replaced!
A huge thank you mate!
May the Farey/Fairy/Faireys be on your shoulder!
Regards
Marlene
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Dale,
This is going to be worse than discovering Fairies at the bottom of my garden...! They'll be positively flitting on gossamer wings around my head next time I open those books at the CCRO. Not sure when at the moment, but rest assured I will indeed jot down everything FAIRY/FAIREY/FAREY that moves...
Very best wishes,
keith
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I have a feeling that you will regret offering to help! But I am really curious, as there is a possibility that you might unearth the very link, for which I am searching, that will unite my Faireys with another Fairey family to which at present I have no connection!
of course it would help no end if they had a bit more originality when thinking of Given names! And I haven't given you half of it!
Best of British!
Sincerely
Marlene
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Kia Ora, Marlene,
Here beginneth the second lesson on the FAIRY's of Gt. Catworth from the 1679-1852 transcripts...
Baptisms: 01-11-1723: Seth FEARY s. of Will.
08-05-1724: Benjamin FEARY s. of Thomas and Eliz.
19-05-1776: William FAIRY s. of Sarah
05-07-1812: William FAIRY s. of Thomas and Mary (born 05-02-1812)
03-07-1814: Mariann FAIREY d. of Thomas and Sarah
02-07-1815: Eliza FAIRY d. Thomas and Sarah
05-07-1818: Charlotte FAIRY d. of Thomas and Sarah
30-06-1822: Joseph FAIRY s. of Thomas and Sarah
05-03-1824: Jane FAIRY d. of Thomas and Sarah
02-07-1826: George FAIRY s. of Thomas and Sarah
05-07-1827: Charles FAIRY s. of Thomas and Sarah
05-07-1829: Phebe FAIRY d. of Thomas and Sarah...
Getting a bit cross-eyed now, what with this family's mania for baptising their children in July, particularly 5th July. By the way, father Thomas FAIRY's occupation throughout was given as "labourer". Going to have something to eat now, then I'll finish these FAIRY's off by PM... Phebe Fairy, indeed...!
Very best wishes,
Keith
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Do you remember the conservative member of parliament who was murdered by Irish terrorists - Airey Neave? He was fortunate that he wasn't part of Marlene's lot otherwise his name might have been..........!
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He probably WAS as a politician! Enough jokes while I am going in Fairy circles, brain afluttering and eyes going sideways! Thankfully soon I will take my place atop your tree and will tell everyone what you got for Xmas!
Marlene
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Marlene,
There will undoubtedly be more generations of FAIRY's in the Gt. Catworth 1850's-present-day registers, but I'm sure you've got enough to be going on with for now!
Keith
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Kia Ora Keith
May I whisper in your ear? Y'know the dreaded Bedfordshire fellow who makes jokes about my Airey Faireys????
PSSSSSSTT.. he's probably related!!
Wonder if he knows a Fairey Bride married a Stapleton Groom? And their daughter became an Australian! (May she be forgiven!)
Catch you apopo (tomorrow) - tonight there's a very important game in Wales! Have to get some sleep before the haka!
Marlene
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Marlene,
I'm definitely avoiding the FAIRY's for a while, particularly in Stapleford (where, thinking of winged creatures, the landlady of our shared house in Cambridge - years ago now - used to live: she was a Mrs Dove...)
Strange too for you to be talking about watching the Wales v All Blacks game at night, while we watch it simultaneously, but hopefully in the autumn sunshine.
I'm going to predict an All Black victory, but by less than 10 points...
Keith
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Thank goodness your look ups are more accurate than your rugby predictions Keith! But at least Wales came second.
And I do have a Farey in my tree, Marlene, although, as you may have guessed, not direct line. This was Sarah (Sarey) Farey from Woburn Beds.
BB
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I am beaming in Spring sunshine - not bad for a practice run before the Irish, eh what chaps?
I haven't spread my Fairy wings to Woburn as yet so you're safe - temporarily!
Sprucing my wand up for another flutter next week!
Marlene
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Marlene,
I hope by the term "flutter" you aren't referring to a sizeable bet you might have had on the All Blacks to trounce Wales, by any chance...
Never mind Fairy's, though, the Irish are going to need every Leprechaun they can get on their side for when they play NZ next...
And what's all this got to do with family history look-ups at the CCRO? - we'll get told off by the Powers-That-Be.
Keith
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We've had an All Black in the family and his daughter was an Olympic gold medallist rower as was her husband!
So definitely family history! If not Cambridge! Although when I think of it .. plenty of rowers there - maybe in the genes!
Cheers
Marlene
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Hi, Marlene,
That's an impressive sporting lineage! My dad played for a London rugby club called the Saracens ( as did his brother), and he ran at the White City, but nothing as illustrious as your family. Maybe we should start a thread on famous sporting Rootschatters' ancestors...
Keith
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Great idea! Famous anything might be fun!Except in my case Sonia has not long had a baby and her Dad ain't exactly over the hill!!
Wonder what the olds would think???
Cheers
Marlene
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Hi Keith
Next time you're in the vicinity could you kindly have a look for any of the following
Lt Gransden 1826 chr Jane Wright. There may not be a
father.
East Hatley
marriage 30 Oct 1787 William Merrill / Elizabeth Dilly. Parish
of ? or botp
28 Feb 1788 William Carter / Elizabeth Merrill
Parish of ? Witnesses?
Burials 27 May 1770 Thomas Merrill
7 Jan 1784 Katherine Merrill
7 May 1808 Thomas Merrill
Croydon
Burial 1812 William Carter 55 of East Hatley
Eltisley
Burial 1832 Edward Revel 41 of St Neots – any other detail?
No rush. At your convenience.
Many thanks
Christmas seems to start earlier each year. Carcassonne is full of Fairy lights.
David
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Back to business with a bang, David,
I'll look those up next time I go to CCRO - might possibly be tomorrow, but more likely it will be next week though my mother comes up for a few days next Thursday to celebrate her 80th birthday...
Keith
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David,
I managed to seize a window of opportunity today (as they say) and ran up the hill to Shire Hall and the CCRO (v. busy week)
In Little Gransden I looked in the original baptism register and discovered a double entry for 3rd July 1826:
Jane, baseborn dr. of Ann SPARKES, now WRIGHT of Little Gransden
and: Mary Ann dr. of Thomas, farmer, and Ann WRIGHT.
Earlier I had found a marriage in the transcripts that said:
13-12-1825: Marriage between Thomas WRIGHT and Ann SPARKS w. of Long Stow. (I presume w. meant widow)
These above entries might well clear up a family conundrum...
East Hartley entries: Marriage 28-02-1788 (in the old calendar this would have been the year 1787/8) William CARTER bac. ,farmer, and Elizabeth MERRILL spinster b.o.t.p. Witnesses: Joseph Parker and Thomas Abbott
Burials: 27-05-1770: Thos. MERRIL son of Thomas, farmer, and Catharine
07-01-1784: Catherine (sic) MERRIL wife of Thos.,farmer
07-07-1808: Thomas MERILL, farmer, aged 80
The Croydon burial had no date, only the year 1812 for William CARTER of East Hatley, 55; neither did the next burial entry - the next one that did was for 26th Sept. 1812. (i.e. the closest to being able to date your entry would be to say that it occurred before Sept. 26th 1812)
The Eltisley burial was the jewel in the crown:
13-05-1832: Edward REVEL, Monk's Hardwick, St Neots, 41 (run over by his team)
I know what the vicar meant, but it sounds as though the goal celebrations on Match of the Day got seriously out of hand...
Keith
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Brilliant Keith, thanks very much.
Loved the Eltisley United entry! They obviously weren't Fairys (but with a certain match coming up this weekend I fear that we should be keeping a low profile!)
The Lt Gransden entries are intriguing. I knew that Jane, who was my gg grandmother, was illegitimate but I didn't know that Wright was her mother's post birth married name, so assume that Thomas Wright may well have been the father. Needs more investigation. According to the censuses she was probably born in 1822/3, so it's going to be an interesting exercise to find out when Mr Sparkes died. Just when I was expecting a straightforward illegitimacy I get a complex one, but at least with the possibility of finding an unexpected 3xg grandfather.
Don't forget - teams can be fatal.
Thanks for making my day
David
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David,
Yes I definitely raised a chuckle when I read that Eltisley burial entry. Though there was another similar entry for a few years later on the same page (not your family, but maybe the same team of wild horses!).
However, I read the double baptism as maybe Jane's father not necessarily being a Mr Sparkes; that Sparkes was Ann's family name, and perhaps the surname of Jane's father was not known. When Thomas Wright married Ann Sparkes we have no idea (unless you do) of how old her daughter Jane was in 1825. (A bit of a gap between birth and baptism - sometimes several years - has thrown me in the past)
I suppose the double baptism sort of bonded the family together...
Very best wishes,
keith
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Might as well rein in the horses fellas, and the sneaky camera men (probably from "Playgirl" if the truth be known), and console yourselves with the olds who showed a bit of spark (?) and haven't a show of being in the wright (?)
Will watch with glee as your team is run over by a herd by a team of rampaging stallions.
A newspaper article about the untimely death of one of one of mine stated and I quote
"...it is surmised that it occurred while Mr W was in the act of getting into the saddle".
In explanation he was thrown from his horse and died of massive head injuries!!!!!!!!!!.
How language changes! Another idea for a link Keith?
"(Nicely humorous events recorded in the) Lives of our Ancestors?"
Guess who
Aotearoa
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Seems to me Keith Sherwood -
you have WAY too much fun - going up to Shire Hall!!
;) ;) ;) ;) ;) ;)
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Actually, while I dodge those tracer bullets from Colorado and Kiwi Country, I've just noticed that I've missed a vital piece of evidence that David must have spotted. That Ann SPARKES is entered as "w.", which I imagined meant "widow". Which would mean, surely, that her husband's name was indeed SPARKES too. Unless she had another child after Mr SPARKS died by another man (could indeed have been by her eventual Mr WRIGHT, as David suggests)
But yes, I do have fun up there when I go entry spotting...But not for a while now, as my mum's 80th birthday celebrations need to be organised from tomorrow.
Keith
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If I can just hijack your thread for a minute - who is the Director of Education these days??
Annie
Happy Birthday Keith's MUM !!
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Hi Keith
Thanks for your additional thoughts. I've found a burial of a William Sparks age 24 in 1820 at Longstowe, and a baptism of John Sparks in Longstowe also in 1820, parents William and Ann, so I'm thinking this is probably the mother of Jane. Longstow is only a mile across the fields from Lt Gransden. According to censuses Jane was born c1822/3 so she was probably baptised age 3 - 4 in 1826. Whether or not Thomas Wright was Jane's father I shall probably never know, although at some stage I'll have a look at Longstowe parish chest to see if there were any bastardy proceedings. If Thomas was her father I'd have thought that the baptism would have mentioned him, and also that they would have married earlier than Dec 1825. So at the moment I'm leaning towards the father being an unknown local ag lab consoling the young widow.
Thanks for your help
Regards
David
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Annie,
It took a while to find out the answer to your question - I used to know such details like the palm of my hand a few years ago - but the gentleman in question is apparently called Andrew Baxter. Now, where did I put those birthday candles...?
And David,
Good to see that you're making further progress with your enquiries on your ancestor Ann on another thread here.
Keith
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Being new to this board I thought I should read through all the posts to get a feel for the board ;D
I was very quickly swimming in Del Rivo juice while dodging All Blacks (?) and a multitude of Fairy's! stopped dead in my tracks by "Airey Fairey" who was a good chuckle, waded through the "juicy"puns, was taken aback by Keith regularly "seizing a window and running up Shire Hall :o
And it all quickly became clear why I have so much trouble with searching in England. I just don't understand the language.
I am almost afraid to say too much and give away my ignorance of your shires, hundreds, parish's etc. It seems that there is just so many levels squeezed into such a small area I get lost. But then I am a Canadian and we are pretty spread out here and also quite new.
So right to it!
Keith, would it be possible if the next time you are seizing your window and running up Shire Hill, if you could tuck my gggrandfather Robert Whetstone and his siblings under your arm and see if they were indeed born in Sutton.
I only know that his fathers name was William, born either 1792 or 1796 depending on the early census. I was told he was born in Wentworth (the old census don't show birthplace) but a very nice fellow who owned a copy of the parish records could not find him there. Would it be possible that William Sr. was also born in Sutton? Whetstone seems as common as Smith in the Cambridgeshire area and this family is really stumping me. I have joined GenesReunited but have been unable to find out any new information.
Children of William Whetstone and Elizabeth Yourguessisasgoodasmine are/were all born in Sutton according to Family Search IGI:
Thomas b. 1822 died 1825
Jane b. 1823
William b. April 16, 1825
Mary Ann b. September 02, 1827
Sarah b. March 14, 1830
John b. November 04, 1832
Robert b. October 06, 1834 my gggrandfather
Thank you and I don't even know enough to know if this request is unreasonable or not, if it is I apologize and would request a BIG nudge in the right direction.
Dollylee
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Hi, Dollylee, and welcome to Rootschat!
I think you've provided a splendid paraphrase to all the mayhem that has been going on here on this thread. We do like to enjoy ourselves while we're going about the serious business of chasing up those elusive ancestors.
And of course I'll look up those WHETSTONE's of Sutton for you, once I find where I put my window - there's a special technique about running up steep hills with a piece of glass under your arm, but I think I've just about mastered it now.
Interestingly, when I taught at Ely, closeby Sutton, for 30 years through the 70's and 90's, there was a very nice family of Whetstone's whom we taught at the school. So perhaps the descendants of those you are researching are still in the area.
Not sure about this week, though, but definitely next week for this look-up...
Very best wishes,
Keith
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Well, Hello again, Dolly! (Sorry, couldn't resist that...)
Are you sitting comfortably? Then I'll begin...
Managed to get to the CCRO a day early, and headed for the Sutton registers.
Confirming what you already knew, though one or two added "extras":
Baptisms to William WHETSTONE, labourer, and Elizabeth:
06-12-1818: Jane, daughter of William and Elizabeth. (Burial Jane WHETSTONE, 26-02-1822 aged 3)
07-03-1822: Thomas, 2 years, son of ditto (Burial Thomas WHETSTONE 03-04-1825 aged 5)
28-05-1823: Jane, d. of ditto
16-04-1825: William, s. of ditto (Burial William WHETSTONE 02-08-1826, infant)
02-09-1827: Mary d. of ditto
14-03-1830: Sarah, d. of ditto (Burial Sarah WHETSTONE 02-01-1832, infant)
04-11-1832: John, s. of ditto
06-10-1834: Robert (Your ancestor!), son of ditto
So as you can see poor William and Elizabeth WHETSTONE did not have much joy with raising their family, as only Jane, Mary, John and Robert survived into adulthood. The final burial is for their mother, I presume:
Burial: 11-06-1869: Elizabeth WHETSONE, 78
There's lots more, Dolly, as I had my map with me and had to search in nearby Parish Registers, but I'm being shunted off this computer by my daughter for a while. But I'll return with the rest shortly, perhaps via PM...
Keith
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Dolly,
Nose to the grindstone again with those WHETSTONE's!
Still in the Sutton registers, found a marriage between Jane WHETSTONE, of full age, spinster, father William to William ABLETT, full age, widower b.o.t.p. By banns.
Looks like your ancestor Robert WHETSONE's sister tying the knot, followed by baptisms for their children in 1854, 1856, 1857, 1858, 1859, and 1860 (2). Probably a few related burials too, but I imagined you might have these later WHETSONE entries, anyway.
The earliest WHETSTONE entries in this Sutton register (1558-1812) were:
Marriage: 14-08-1706: Arthur WHETSTONE to Margaret GRAY
Baptism: 08-02-1707: William WHETSTONE, son of Arthur
Burial: 06-10-1710: Margaret WHETSTONE, wife of Arthur
After this sad note, I moved onto the Wentworth register, the earliest baptism being in 1766; the earliest marriage in 1782; and the earliest burial in 1768. There were dozens of WHETSTONE entries...
But did pick out possibly a significant marriage in Wentworth:
05-03-1816: William WHETSTONE to Elizabeth SANDIVER, b.o.t.p.
I began to search for a possible earlier generation of WHETSTONE's that might throw up your ancestor William. I thought I was on the right track with these, until I matched up burials. I might as well give them to you - don't despair, there's a rainbow at the end of all this searching!
Baptisms: 09-02-1766: William, son of Thomas and Mary WHETSTONE. (William WHETSTONE buried 31-01-1770)
24-07-1768: Mary, daughter of ditto (Mary WHETSTONE buried 23-10-1768)
21-08-1769: John, s. of ditto
03-11-1771: Mary, d. of ditto
24-04-1774: William, s. of ditto (William WHETSTONE buried 24-01-1781)
17-08-1777: Archer, s. of ditto (Archer WHETSTONE buried 29-01-1781)
25-12-1779: Sarah, d. of ditto (Sarah WHETSTONE buried 09-02-1781)
14-04-1782: Sarah, d. of ditto (Sarah WHETSTONE buried 26-09-1783)
A very sad story for this family, especially in the year 1781...
From 1789 through to 1805 there were also 5 WHETSTONE children born to a John and Sarah. I found a marriage between John WHETSTONE and Sarah BARBER, b.o.t.p. (Wentworth, still!), and these are the baptisms:
07-07-1789: Alice, d. of John and Sarah
29-11-1801: Robert, s. of ditto (must have died, didn't have time to check)
24-10-1802: Robert, s. of ditto
29-05-1805: James, s. of ditto
04-10-1807: Jonah, s. of ditto
(Also a baptism: 30-10-1794: Mary BROWN, d. of John BROWN and Mary WHETSTONE)
So then I decided to widen the search a little to neighbourimg parishes, including Ely St Mary's, Ely Holy Trinity, Haddenham, Witcham, and finally Witchford, and I think things may just as a result fit together.
But after the commercial break, like all good reality TV shows, I'll PM you...
Keith
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I am overwhelmed!!! Almost, but not quite at a loss for words.
Thank you SO much Keith for not only your time but for your generosity in going far above and beyond!!! Possibly leaving the window at home and using either that grindstone or my Whetstone's to sharper your pencil was an inspiration. ;D ;D
Thank you for Turning my Elizabeth Yourguessisasgoodasmine into Elizabeth Sandiver. Hopefully Mary Somethingorother will have the same good fortune.
I have an "unclaimed Whetstone" file where I have kept names I have stumbled on and do recognize some of the names you gave me but I didn't have definite birthdates or last names of the wives. Hopefully these will one day sprout new Branch's on my tree with the additional information.
Am off to try and sort the pages of information you gave me and see if I can pull a couple of people out of the "unclaimed" file.
We could be onto something with Arthur born sometime 1600's. Arthur is not at all a common "Whetstone" name, seems somewhere along the line they thought they could only use William, John, James, Thomas, Mary, Jane and one of two others, over and over and over each child naming all their children the same. Off track sorry....back to Arthur my grandfather's brother's name was Arthur (I have only seen this name two other times in hundreds of Whetstone's in this are)
Sorry, but I tend to talk too much when this excited.
Thank you Thank you Thank you !!!! You are a Prince.
Dolly
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Dolly,
Unfortunately Rootschat doesn't do the "Prince" category, only "Aristocrat". Don't forget that I e-mailed you after my labour of love to tell you that the Mary Somethingorother might well be Mary TALL from that 1761 Mepal marriage. As well as Arthur, the forename Archer cropped up quite a bit too..
Ah well, back to the day job now with the double glazing...
Keith
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"double glazing"....ewww that panes me !
Went into my "unidentified" file and there they all where!!! Mind you I also have that Elizabeth - Ellen - Helen thing happening. I added lots of dates, spouses last names, Arthur of course and whipped them all into a lovely looking family. You provided ALL the links to enable me to do that. You are now my new best friend!!!
As you go from one generation to the next it all looks pretty good. Of course more checking needs to be done....but "golly gee whiz" looks like you have taken me back a hundred years.
If this really was a reality tv show my husband would thank you.. har har
I am on cloud nine!! (it's very crowded here) and hope with further checking I don't go plunging back down to earth...but this looks pretty solid.
Can't thank you enough Keith. Might try to contact the Chat admins. and see if they will give you the Princely designation you so deserve. You are a gem and I am a gushy Canadian...
Dolly
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Dolly,
It was all great fun re-visiting those places such as Witchford and Sutton, near Ely, where we used to play those Primary Schools at football on Saturday mornings in the 70's and 80's (not any more!)....
And I'll clarify that Elizabeth/Ellen/Elizabeth thing next time I'm up Castle Hill...
Regards,
keith
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Keith - having read and enjoyed the thread I would like to add to your already not-inconsiderable burden next time you visit the records office.
A John Watson married Elizabeth Cooper in Cherry Hinton in 1806 according to Boyds.
Could you find their marriage record?
I believe they are the parents of my ancestor John Watson, 4xgreat grandfather, born 1806, Cherry Hinton, son of John Watson and Elizabeth according to the Cambs Baptism index that is online at CFHS.
Can you find his birth record for me to confirm his parentage?
The second part of my query sounds more dificult, but is actually quite simple. Was William Watson, son of John and Rebecca, born in Cherry Hinton in 1832 or 1837?
I will explain the background first:
John Watson Jnr was, according to Boyds, married to Rebecca Harrison (b 1810 in Downham) in Cherry Hinton in 1829, and Cambs Baptism index shows the birth of 3 children, James in 1830 , Hannah in 1935 and William in 1832. I believe William's birth date has been mis-transcribed, and should be 1837.
I think this because in 1841 a Rebecca Watson aged 30 and children James aged 11, Hannah aged 6 and William aged 4 are in the Chesterton Union Workhouse as paupers. There is also a Francis Watson in the workhouse, aged 3 months. Rebecca Watson's father was Francis Harrison, so it is possible that baby Francis also belongs to Rebecca. But there is no sign of John other than a suitably aged agricultural labourer in the ex-parochial district of Wolvey Hills, some distance away.
John appears to surface in 1851 after the death of Rebecca and Francis, living in Newmarket Road, Cambridge St Andrew the Less, with William Watson born Cherry Hinton aged 14 - who matches with the workhouse William in 1841, but NOT with the Cambs Baptism index of the William born to John and Rebecca Watson. Also in Newmarket Road, James Watson born Cherry Hinton, aged 20, is a live-in servant for William Law, an innkeeper.
It seems likely that the John in Newmarket Road in 1851 is the husband of Rebecca and father of James and William - only the birth date of William casts doubt on the link.
If you could check the actual birth record, it would reveal whether the index has been correctly transcribed or whether a "7" has been misread as a "2".
Many thanks in anticipation of anything you might find....
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Hi, Wdurham,
Glad you've enjoyed the thread - we've certainly had fun while solving a few mysteries in Cambs. Opportunities for me are rather running out between now and Christmas, but if I can get to the CCRO in the next few days, I'll certainly give Cherry Hinton the once over for your WATSON's.
Should be elementary, after all...
Keith
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Elementary indeed! -- especially with a "Hint"-"on" it.
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Loo,
I'm afraid all my puns are rather basic and elementary, but this Watson look-up should be a good one - if I can fit it in with the Festive Season swirling uncontrollably around me...
Keith
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No hurry, Keith - whenever you have the time and leisure will be wonderful!
For your interest, I have now found a third child of John Watson in 1851, living also in Browns Yard, Cambridge. (H)Anna Watson, correct age, is a lodger just a few doors down.
All circumstantial, but points more strongly to William Watson's birth having been mistranscribed from 1837 to 1832.
What a pity he was not born just a few months later, then I could have got his birth certificate which would solve all my problems!
All of which still begs the question as to where on earth was John Watson in 1841 whilst his family were in the Chesterton Union Workhouse as paupers?
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Excuse me butting in on this thread (re Watson not the puns!), but what if there is a simpler explanation than transcription errors.....
there were two William Watsons?
The burial index on the Cambs FHS site shows a William Watson buried in Cherry Hinton in 1833 aged 14 months ie the one baptised in 1832 (this one is also on the IGI dated 8 Apr 1832, so it would have taken 2 transcription errors, one by the LDS and another by Cambs FHS. Unlikely.) Just a case of Keith checking the burial register to make sure the 1833 burial is William son of John and Rebecca. They then had another son c1837 and named him William too (not William two)
I don't know if the baptism index covers the whole of 1837 or terminates at the start of civil registration, but if the latter then the second William's baptism might have not been covered by the Index or...there is also another William Watson, son of John and Rebecca on the IGI (both controlled extracts, not Airy Fairy member submissions) baptised 31 Jan 1858 at Cherry Hinton. Might this have been an adult baptism of the William born 1837? I think this is more likely the case as Cherry Hinton parish register appears to have been extracted for the period in question. Another one for Keith when he toils wearily up the hill!
I've just checked the BVRI and these Cherry Hinton christenings are on it - but there's no age mentioned for William in 1858 - normally if there's an age quoted in the parish register it's mentioned on the BVRI
Regards
Holmes
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Sherlock,
I'll bear all this in mind when I take my own personal deerstalker, pipe and large magnifying glass to CCRO...
Moriarty ( or am I getting mixed up with the Goons, now - not the One-name study organisation, but those comedians of yore).
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Hi Moriarty
My ex says you've made a typo. It should be Shylock, not Sherlock (in fact I've no locks worth speaking of)
Bloodnok (Major)
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A very good point, Holmes - I wonder how I made such an elementary mistake?
Seriously, it didn't occur to me that there could have been two Williams, because I only found one - although this has cropped up often in my tree. William was John's grandfather's name, so the double attempt to have a son called William makes sense.
William baptised 1858 as an adult is a fair assumption. He disappears after 1851, so it is possible that he died between 1851 and 1861, and was quickly baptised first. A William Watson DID die in June 1859 in Chesterton, although he was living in St Andrew the Less in 1851. Another death certificate to send off for! I am already awaiting those for Rebecca Watson d. 1846 and Francis Watson d. 1842.
Thanks so much for the help!
Wendy Durham
(nee Watson - honestly!)
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Hi Wendy
And Cherry Hinton is in Chesterton registration district. Might just be coincidence of course!
Can't see an obvious John in 1841 though
David
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No, nor can I, David.
He could of course have been dead. There is a living-in farm labourer of the right age (tho' age is always suspect in 1841!) at Wolvey Holes, but that seems some distance away.
Which is why I am anxious to see whether John 1851 in Browns Yard, with his 14 year old William, and James and (H)Anna living nearby, both of the correct age, could be the right family. There are lots of circumstantial links, but no proof yet.
If John wasn't dead, where on earth could he have been in 1841? Army? Prison? Does anyone know under what circumstances Rebecca and her children might have been sent to the Chesterton Union workhouse?
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Hi Wendy
I've just had a look at the original census pages for 1841.
There's no way of knowing in the workhouse which is a family unit - males are in descending order of age, followed by females likewise.
Included in males though is Wm Watson 35 pauper born in county.
Whilst I didn't buy your transcription error theory, I'm quite capable of believing my own enumeration error hypotheses! With ages over 15 being rounded down to the nearest 5 below Wm's 35 would have given a birth 7 Jun 1801- 6 Jun 1806, which is consistent with John's age 47 in 1851 and the 1806 baptism in Cherry Hinton. And it makes more sense that the whole family was in the workhouse, particularly with John disappearing off the face of Cambs.
Perhaps the workhouse records may shed some light on this, or alternatively the parish chest records.
Regards
David
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I have just ploughed through the same Workhouse pages, looking to see if John had been mistranscribed. I read that possible Wm Watson as a name beginning with N? My trusty magnifying glass can't see a trace of the second up-stroke for a "W". If you scan around him there are other "W"s and they are different to his first letter. But I agree the age is right. One other thing - against each person there is a number. I have no idea what it means, but Rebecca, James, Hannah and Francis are all numbered 23. Wm Wotsit (Nilson, Nelson?) is 14. It could be a block or dormitory number?
Though having said that, I have read that male and female children were separated from each other and from their parents. so perhaps not a dormitory - maybe an admission number? The workhouse was quite new at the time.
Census returns are nightmares for enumerator errors. When you think that the book pages we see were already copied from the handwritten returns, many of which were made on behalf of people who could not read or write, and then have been transcribed by a third party, it's a wonder that there aren't more errors.
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I think you might be right, possibly Nelson? I got all excited for nothing!
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My personal feeling is that John was in prison. I have checked a couple already! Especially as a Mary Watson aka Tolladay (who could have been his younger sister = name and age are right) was in Chesterton Gaol in 1841. Unfortunately, John wasn't - unless he was going under an assumed name?
Rebecca had millions of relatives in Downham, and there are Watsons all over Cherry Hinton and the rest of Cambridgeshire. I can't believe no-one would have taken them in if they were distressed, unless there was some kind of calumny attached.
Still, have sent for Francis and Rebecca's death certs which may give further information.
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Right, Wdurham,
Time to cut in on the dynamic dialogue you have been having with Bedfordshire Boy. I managed to wriggle myself away from the Xmas shopping (hooray!) in Cambridge today, and shot off to Shire Hall for some respite for an hour. And although I may not have solved all the mystery surrounding the WATSON family, I think I've at least shed some more light on the matter...
Looking first in the transcribed Cherry Hinton registers 1538-1912:
Marriage on 06-05-1806: John WATSON (x) and Elizabeth COOPER (x) b.o.t.p. Witnesses: Mary Linsey and the (ubiquitous) Samuel Mortlock, who must have been a church worthy as he's still acting as a witness for your next WATSON marriage in 1829.
Subsequent baptism: 27-07-1806: John WATSON, son of John and Elizabeth
Then, Marriage on 02-03-1829: John WATSON (x) and Rebecca HARRISON (x) b.o.t.p. Witnesses Charles Cornel and Sam Mortlock
Subsequent baptisms: 10-01-1830: James WATSON son of John (lab) and Rebecca.
08-04-1832: William WATSON s. of John and Rebecca
08-03-1835: Hannah WATSON d. of John and Rebecca.
There was definitely NO 1837 baptism for the family, the only other WATSON one was on 12-01-1834 for Alice WATSON d. of James (lab) and Susan.
BUT, the very last baptism in the book for WATSON was:
31-01-1858: William WATSON, an adult of John and Rebecca of St Andrew The Less, Cambridge, Lab.
Here are some significant WATSON burials at Cherry Hinton:
20-03-1831: John WATSON 54
21-03-1833: William WATSON aged 14 months
08-09-1834: Elizabeth WATSON 57
24-08-1841: George Lyes (?) (this question mark was in the transcription) WATSON of St Andrew The Less, Cambridge, 7 weeks
20-05-1846: Rebecca WATSON of St Andrews The Less, Cambridge, 35
Do you know when the family might have gone to Chesterton Workhouse? (I looked in the Parish Chest for Cherry Hinton, but couldn't find anything). And if this second William was indeed born in 1837, you are really unlucky that they didn't start National Registration until Sept. quarter 1837!
Perhaps the baptismal entry for him indicates that he had just become 21 years of age - "an adult" - on 31-01-1858. I'd like to have an educated guess that he might have been born on 31-01-1837, or very close to that date.
There's more on the WATSON's in the Cherry Hinton registers, which you might already have. I'll have a break now and possibly PM you with those details if you want them.
Interesting that, even though St Andrew The Less is just down the road from the Chesterton Workhouse, Rebecca WATSON was buried back in Cherry Hinton.
Keith
p.s. I looked between 1835 and 1840 amongst the baptisms of St Andrew The Less for William before I realised that we needed his BIRTH, and that I already had a baptism for him at Cherry Hinton! Perhaps I should have stuck to the Xmas shopping...
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Keith -
Thankyou VERY, VERY much for all of that!
So William was baptised as an adult in 1858 - that was a good guess on David's part! Hence no appearance in the parish registers - but just falling short of 1837 birth registration. I HAVE checked the first two quarters of registration for him, with no luck. I also looked for Francis - 3 mths old in the workhouse in 1841 and died 1842. Can't find his birth in the GRO index, but did find his death and have sent for the certificate to find out what I can from it. Have also sent for Rebecca's death cert to see who registered her death and precisely where she died.
So it's clear that William b.1837 and Francis b.1841 were not baptised in the local area as children. I can't find either of their births in the GRO index either - though with William he probably just missed it. Francis should be there, though. Could be two reasons for no baptism - (a) they weren't there - perhaps with her parents in Downham? or (b) if Rebecca was already in the workhouse (which opened 1836), then she may have simply not bothered.
So I still can't formally link my 1851 John, William, James and (H)Anna with my 1841 Rebecca, James, Hannah and William. :'(
But never mind - I am SURE they are mine.....
John Watson aged 54 who died in 1831 looks like John 1806's father, who was baptised 1777 and - as you have confirmed - married Elizabeth Cooper in 1806. The date of John Jnr's subsequent birth is conjures up some interesting thoughts....
Keith, thanks so much - if you turn up anything else I'd be glad to have it.
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Wdurham.
And I'M pretty sure they're the same family in both the 1841 and 1851 Census...!
Actually, there wasn't an enormous amount more to give you, so I might as well let you have in here on this thread...
So, in the 1538-1912 Cherry Hinton registers the earliest WATSON marriage was 1564; first burial 1567; first baptism 1592.
There's a cluster of 3 baptisms, one of which must be John Watson who married in 1806, and his two sisters. No appropriate marriage beforehand, though - perhaps in a nearby parish. These were:
01-10-1772: Mary WATSON d. of William and Elizabeth
03-09-1775: Sarah WATSON d. of William and Elizabeth
02-11-1777: John WATSON s. of William and Elizabeth.
There's a couple more baptisms around this time, but perhaps to William's relative (brother?) James, i.e.:
03-10-1762: Elizabeth WATSON d. of James and Elizabeth
03-09-1765: Hannah WATSON d. of James and Elizabeth.
The most recent WATSON baptism before that was in 1695, and in fact there were no WATSON marriages in Cherry Hinton between 1705 and 1806. (Sometimes negative info is useful...)
Burials not already mentioned:
01-05-1782: Mary WATSON daughter of William and Elizabeth
10-06-1785: William WATSON by the parish
14-03-1805: Elizabeth WATSON widow
Looks like neither parent got to see their son John married in 1806...
And I did look for a baptism for Francis in the St Andrew the Less registers around 1841, but could find no trace; perhaps people in the workhouse didn't get quite the same opportunity - I really don't know what the situation was like in those days. Hopefully the certificates you sent for will shed even more light!
Keith
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Thankyou very much (again!) for these - I had William and Elizabeth and their three children from the IGI- great to have it properly confirmed from the registers! I can give them a tick now instead of a question mark. I never quite trust the IGI....
But no marriage prior to the baptisms - drat. I couldn't find them in the IGI either - not in Cherry Hinton, anyway. They must have come from another parish - there are Watsons all over the place in Cambs, and a positive nest of them in Stow cum Quy.
On the other hand, William might have come from somewhere quite different - my grandfather James Stephen Watson (John 1806 is my 3xgreat grandfather) always said he was a "gentleman" by heritage and came from an old Scottish family. He will be turning in his grave about all those Ag Labs in his tree, especially poor Rebecca and the workhouse.....!
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Wdurham,
Searching for him in Scotland might be a tricky one, and expensive, possibly! I wonder whether anyone has Boyd's marriages for Cambs, and could look up a circa 1770 marriage for a William WATSON tying the knot with an Elizabeth Someoneorother...? (Preferably somewhere near Cherry Hinton or Cambridge)
Keith
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Hello Keith ::)
When time permits would love a lookup on:
Joseph Stacey marriage to Sarah Fordham in Whittlesea
date 5 Jan 1841. Would love to know Sarah's details etc.
Her parents I suspect were Robert Fordham and an Elizabeth
children: Sarah 1822 Whittlesea, Rebecca 1830, William 1832
and another Rebecca 1834?
I am also trying to establish another dau Mary who would have
been older than the sibs above. Family folklore have it that
Joseph Stacey m Mary Johnson (widow)1854 Newborough.
Mary being the sister to his first wife??? It was a marriage of convenience to immigrate to Australia with their amalgamated family.
Much obliged
Rosalie Ryan ;D
NSW AUSTRALIA
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Hi, Rosalie,
I'm not sure whether I'll manage to get there before Christmas, but STACEY and FORDHAM are in the pending tray now...!
Very best wishes,
Keith
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Wonderful!
Have a lovely Xmas. Should be a scorcher over here!
Rgds
Rosalie
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Rosalie,
Just had a thought, and therefore a question for you - should I be looking in Whittlesey St Andrew or Whittlesey St Mary, as I think they were both busy parishes, then...?
Keith
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Hi Keith
Looking back I have the marriage as Whittlesea St Marys and
the baps as Whittlesea. This is all I have to go on.
Hope this does not complicate things.
Regards
Rosalie :D
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Keith
This probably isn't the right board for this but you did look up the information for me and on the register marriage of William Whetstone to Elizabeth Sandiver it say b.o.t.p.
What does b.o.t.p. mean??
I have tried to figure it out and came up with:
becaue one thought pregnant
being of the peasants
best of the pick
but the thought I had that makes the most sense is both of this place.
Is that correct?
dolly
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Dolly,
You were getting closer with every guess...
Both Of This Parish
Happy Christmas!
Keith
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Hello, I am researching Joseph Mustill b. 1798 and Sarah Ann Johnson Mustill b. 1804 who married 1827 according to Pallets in Over, Camb. then came over on the Ship Woodbury from London to New York:
Caroline Mustill Apr 18, 1833 5 F London Ship Woodbury
Elizabeth Mustill Apr 18, 1833 3 F London Ship Woodbury
Frederick Mustill Apr 18, 1833 9 M London Ship Woodbury (Stepson)
Jane Mustil Apr 18, 1833 5 F London Ship Woodbury
Josh. Mustill Apr 18, 1833 34 M London Ship Woodbury
Mary Ann Mustill Apr 18, 1833 7 F London Ship Woodbury (Stepdaughter)
Sarah Mustill Apr 18, 1833 29 F London Ship Woodbury
Jane Mustill was born in Over, Cambridgeshire and the family settled in Akron, Ohio and had more children here. Jane Mustill m. Alvin Rice of Taplin & Rice Co.
I would like to find out more about the family over in England, baptisms, marriages, etc. and how I would begin to find out about those things....
Thanks so much,
Jeannine
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Hi, Jeannine,
And welcome to Rootschat...The earliest I can get to the Cambridgeshire County Record Office is next week, from Jan. 3rd. I have quite a few look-ups to do at the moment, but will certainly have a look in the Over Parish Records there for details of that 1827 marriage for the bride's family name, and entries for the MUSTILL family name prior to 1827 (and Sarah Ann's family if there is time). I just hope they stayed in Over for a while, otherwise it might become difficult to track them down!
Very best wishes,
Keith
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Hi Jeannine
A good place to start for this period in Cambridgeshire is the Cambs FHS website at http://www.cfhs.org.uk/Search.html which has baptism and burial indexes. Unfortunately none of the children you mention appear to have been baptised in Cambs, so possibly the family was non-conformist. There were however children of John and Rebecca Mustill baptised in Over.
The 1827 marriage on the Pallot's index between Joseph Mustill and Sarah Johnson shows that Joseph was a widower - the same index shows a marriage in 1820 at Willingham between Joseph Mustill of Over and Lydia Smith (although no Lydia shows in the burial index). You show that two of the children were described as stepchildren, so it's possible that Sarah too was a widow in which case Johnson may not have been her maiden name - but doubtless Keith will be able to clarify this from the Parish register entry.
Regards
David
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Thank you gentlemen...! I know research is difficult and time consuming... so please take your time... the info that Keith had on Joseph being married before is what I have as well but you had more info and I will add it...
Jeannine
;-)
p.s. In not so sunny California
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This may seem a silly question but here goes... what does it mean when the word Over is used with Cambridge? I haven't a clue... I have seen it listed on US Census records but don't know what it means or where it is at... I would also like to find some history on the area if it was very populated in the early 1800's and what it is like now...?
Thanks, Jeannine
;-)
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Try this, Jeannine:
http://www.overvillage.co.uk/
and this:
http://www.british-history.ac.uk/source.asp?pageno=6&pubid=56
The Introduction to Over starts right at the bottom of page 6 - go to page 7 for detailed information about the village and its history.
This series of on-line books is invaluable for anyone researching ancestors in Cambridgeshire.
Hope it helps!
Wendy
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Thanks Wendy,
Another question... what does non-conformist mean?
Jeannine;-)
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Hi, Jeannine -
Basically the non-conformists were just that: they didn't subscribe to the "conformist" religions of the day such as the Church of England and the Roman Catholic Church.
There are many such groups, the most prevalent being Baptists, Methodists, Presbyterians and Unitarians. Then there are the Seventh Day Adventists, the Wesleyans, Plymouth Brethren and many, many more. One group simply established Independent churches or meeting houses.
The East of England had many non-conformist congregations, many of them Primitive Baptists with travelling preachers and lay preachers.
A Google search will give you far more information than I can squeeze in here!
Best regards
Wendy
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Thanks again Wendy...
;-)
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:D Happy New Year from Canada, Keith :D
If you happen to be up at the shire hall sometime later this month, and your searches take you near the parish records for Godmanchester, could you keep an eye out for any baptisms of children of John (of Godmanchester) and Sarah Church? (married 17 Jan. 1788 in Little Stukely) I hope there will be some starting in 1788 and possibly continuing through to 1800. (David has found a James Church 14 June 1801 for John and Sarah.) I wish I could be more specific, unfortunately that is all I have right now.
cheers,
g a r
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Happy New Year to you too, Gar! (A cousin of mine returned yesterday from 10 very enjoyable days over Christmas in Vancouver with her sister...)
Yes, I think you've given me enough to go on. Some time this or next week I'll look up that 1788 marriage to discover Mary's maiden name; then search for baptisms in the area to the happy couple...
Keith
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Hi Keith,
Oops! :-[ I do have a maiden name for John's wife Sarah. It's Buddle. My apologies. (Bart Simpson standing in background says well duh! you could have told Keith it was John Church and Sarah Buddle right off and saved time and space.)
cheers,
g a r
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Gar,
That's fine, will make the search quicker and easier. Now it's a question of fingers crossed for an opportunity to visit the CCRO soon in the New Year...Godmanchester and Stukely are very close to one another.
Keith
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Hi Gar! Happy New Year!
I wonder if you have seen the Godmanchester Web site ......
http://www.godmanchester.net/index.htm
There is some history within the pages - old families etc ! maybe you'll find some of yours!! I go to that site when I need an England fix ..... not just Liverpool!!
Annie :) :)
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Hi Annie! Happy New Year!
Thanks for the Godmanchester site! Here's another if you need a quick England fix:
http://www.imagesofengland.org.uk/
I hope that link works.
Just type the name of the place you want to see and voila, pics galore!
cheers,
g a r
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Hi again, Rosalie,
I managed to get down the CCRO for an hour today (hope to go again tomorrow, for those waiting further down my list), and tried to clarify your FORDHAM family in Whittlesea - but I think I've only managed to muddy the waters; that's family history research for you!
However, I looked in the St. Mary's Whittlesea registers, and details of the marriage you wanted were:
05-01-1841: Joseph STACEY (x) full age bac. lab. of Foster Lane, Whittlesey, his father Joseph STACEY lab. to
Sarah FORDHAM (x) minor, spinster ser.(servant?) of Crab End Whittlesey, her father Robert FORDHAM lab. Witnesses: Henry FORDHAM (x), Ann FORDHAM
Now, looking for Sarah FORDHAM's siblings, I noticed baptisms here for 1811, 1813, 1815, 1817, 1821, 1827 and 1832. But when I looked them up they were all, apart from the 1832 one, FORDHAM children born to William FORDHAM and Elizabeth ADDISON who were married here on 12-06-1810.
These children, in order, were Elizabeth Addison, Thomas Addison, Ann, Alice, William Henry and George William (all with FORDHAM surname of course, Alice's spelt as "Foredom")
On 08-06-1832 a William FORDHAM was baptised, s. of Robert and Elizabeth, of Northside, Whittlesea, lab. (Your Sarah's brother?)
There were several further marriages involving this generation of FORDHAM's until 1846, and if you want these I'll PM you...
I looked then briefly in Whittlesey, St Andrew, and found one baptism of a child of Robert and Elizabeth FORDHAM:
11-06-1826: John Hare FORDHAM s. of Robert and Elizabeth of North Bank.
There were also some other baptisms here at St Andrew's for William and Elizabeth FORDHAM - will PM them if you want them.
So no sign of a baptism for Sarah FORDHAM in Whittlesey St Mary's or St. Andrew's and her other brothers and sisters - she's probably lurking in a nearby parish, no doubt. Sorry I haven't been more successful...
Very best wishes,
Keith
p.s Couldn't find an elder sister Mary, either, as the last FORDHAM entry was in 1846...
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Gar,
Very sorry to be a bringer of bad tidings - especially after all that anticipation building up over the Christmas break, but when I went in the drawer at the CCRO to fish out the microfilm with your Godmanchester entries on it, there was an annoying little note that said that it had been borrowed by the Huntingdon Record Office, and no news about when it would be returned.
Those parishes that are close to the Hunts/Cambs border and maybe were once in the other County are often subject to this kind of cross-border skirmishing.
You'll just have to be a little more patient, or order a film through the LDS, maybe...
Keith
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Hello again, Jeannine,
I managed to get to the CCRO today, and have basically looked at all the MUSTILL/MUSTEL/MUSTALE/ MUSSELL/MUSTLE entries for Over Parish.
A marriage, first of all in Willingham on 02-01-1820 between Joseph MUSTILL bachelor of Over and Lydia SMITH spinster o.t.p. by licence, with consent of George Smith, her father. Witnesses: Phebe Smith and Lydia Thody
Then a marriage in Over on 17-01-1827: Joseph MUSTILL widower to Sarah JOHNSON (x) spinster b.o.t.p. by licence. Witnesses: James Mustill and Wm. Ingle Robinson.
None of the baptisms and marriages seem to fit together, I'm afraid, but as you said you wanted as much about the MUSTILL family as there was in Over, I'll simply list them as follows: Baptisms:
08-03-1761: John MUSTEL son of James and Ann
08-02-1764: Thomas MUSTALE s. of James and Ann
24-03-1765: Robert MUSTALE s. James and Ann
25-12-1812: John MUSTILL s. of Joseph and Sarah
04-10-1818: Ann MUSTILL d. of John, tailor, and Rebecca born Sept. 7th
13-05-1821: James s. of John and Rebecca b. April 19th
13-04-1823: Isaac s. of John and Rebecca b. March 18th
14-08-1825: Samuel s. of John and Rebecca b. July 16th
I've got to stop for some supper now...Will give you the marriages and burials for the MUSTILL's by PM. Have fun trying to fit this complicated jigsaw together...!
Keith
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:DHello Keith,
Well you have unveiled, I suspect, a poss sibling line to Robert Fordham being William. If it is not too much trouble could you relay more on William's line.
Henry and Ann Fordham who were witnesses to Sarah Fordham's marriage, may have been her sibs.
I notice on the Cambs FHS site that the 1841 census indicates an Ann Fordham 22 living with Elizabeth 45, Rebecca 9 and William 7. No sign of father Robert.
My next quest is find a marriage for Robert and Elizabeth Fordham. Are you able to assist Keith? Hopefully her maiden name is unusual.
Thanking you
Kind regards
Rosalie
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Rosalie,
Glad to have opened up one or two new possibilities on your family. Have made a note of your further queries, and will look into these next time I'm at the CCRO...
Keith
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Thx Keith
Just noticed on another thread of mine in the Rootschat Hunts section where I was asking for assistance into the Stacey family. Ruth had made reference to the 1841 census of Elizabeth Fordham that she was not born in the county!!! Ann, Rebecca and William were. So this may poss delete Cambs. I am aware that the goal posts (borders) have been moved around over the years. Some of Sarah Fordham and Joseph Stacey's children were born in Newborough. This is not far from Whittlesey, correct? I may have to look at this area for clues. ???
Rosalie
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Just on another note, Keith.
Also advised to me from David on Hunts section.
Rebecca Fordham (sister to Sarah) married James Glover in Dec Qtr of 1832 at Whittlesea. Can you add this to list?
Witnesses to this event could indicate more.
Much obliged
Rosalie
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Hello Keith
On your next visit or the one after or after that, are you able to have a squizz at this couple
James Glover m Rebecca Fordham (yes that lot again)
Dec Qtr 1852 Whittlesey
Hoping to get a lead on this one
There is this wild card but dont go to too much trouble
James Colbourn/Colborn (b Thorney) m an Ann (b Crowland) sometime btwn 1841-1844 poss Thorney or Whittlesey
Ann is a suspect Fordham >:( as she was Auntie to Joseph Stacey who was son of Sarah Fordham. (sis?). source 1851 census
Ann (if she is Fordham may crack the case of where the Fordhams may have originally come from)
Ann was living with her mother iand Rebecca in Whittlesey source 1841 Census.
Cheers
Rosalie
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Rosalie -
James Glover and Rebecca Fordham married qe Dec 1852 in Whittlesey.
The GRO ref is 3b 1307.
If you go here:
http://www.gro.gov.uk/gro/content/certificate/index.asp
you can order and pay for their marriage certificate online.
That will give you their fathers names and the witnesses.
Best regards
Wendy
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Rosalie,
I'm ever so slightly perplexed here, but was the first ask for Rebecca FORDHAM and James GLOVER that you said was in 1832, the same query as the marriage for 1852, whose reference Wendy has just given you, if you want to order the certificate now.
I am HOPING to get along to Shire Hall tomorrow, so will look it up along with that COLBOURN/Ann ? (possibly FORDHAM) marriage...
Keith
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Sorry ::) Keith, too much computer! Eek
Overlooked that I had asked before...shall take a break.
James Glover was born in 1831/2 and married 1852
Rosalie
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Rosalie,
Managed to spend some time at the CCRO this morning. Firstly, your query about William SWAN/SWANN who died aged 97 in 1831...
Found his two marriages: In Dullingham 11-04-1769, William bac. of Brinkley to Elizabeth RAMPSHIRE (signs RAMSHER); this followed by a baptism of a William SWANN, s. of William SWANN on 20-04-1769 (I may have got the year of his first marriage wrong - might have been 1767...).
Then the second marriage at Burrough Green: William SWANN o.t.p. widower to Unity SHEARMAN o.t.p.
So, armed with the Brinkley indication, I began to search for his baptism circa 1734: first SWANN baptism in Brinkley not until 1822; earliest SWANN baptism in Burrough Green 1771; earliest SWANN baptism in Dullingham was 1769.
Had a look at the parish map for the 18thC then, and tried some of the other nearby parishes, namely Westley Waterless, Stetchworth, Weston Colville, Carlton cum Willingham, even Bottisham, the Swaffhams and the Wilbrahams...
No sign of him, sad to say, the only baptism for a SWAN I came up with was in Bottisham: 03-08-1732: Robert s. of Valentine and Dorothy SWAN; and 15-09-1734 Mary d. of same parents.
Where are you William...? Be back presently to tell you about those 2 marriages you were after.
Keith
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Rosalie - back again,
The 1841-1844 search for a marriage for James Colbourn and Ann was difficult. They got out the original Thorney marriage register, but I looked from 1840-1846 and there was no sign of this entry.
I also looked in the original registers for both Whittlesey St Andrew and Whittlesey St Mary, and the only entry that was anything near it was:
Whittlesey St Andrew: 08-01-1850: James COLBON widower, labourer, father Clapperson COLBON to Ann WEST spinster of Crowland, father John WEST. Witnesses Ann COLBON and Joseph STACEY.
When I looked again in Whittlesey St. Mary there was:
18th October 1852 James GLOVER(x) aged 22 bachelor, labourer, residence Whitmore St., father John GLOVER labourer, to
Rebecca FORDHAM(x) aged 20 spinster, servant, residence Whitmore St., father Robert FORDHAM labourer. By Banns
J.C.Franks curate. Witnesses: John FORDHAM (x) Jane Sheriff (x)
It was a nice privilege to thumb through the original entries!
Keith
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Keith,
You may not realise it but you have unearthed what could be the
unveiling of who the Fordhams were.
The Colburn marriage is jackpot to me. Joseph Stacey (if all works out) is sister in law to Ann West. If this proves correct then the
Fordham girls that I have had so much trouble with are of the surname West and that their mother married twice. This would
explain the name change.
Will let you know of the outcome.
Many thanks
You beauty!!!!
Rosalie
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A beauty or a Prince he is a kind generous man and because of him I have had 3 hits this week alone on a family I have been looking for for six years.
hmmm, wonder if Mrs. Sherwood knows how many women think her hubby is Wonderful. Perhaps he should tell her ;D ;D
Thanks again Keith !!!
dollylee
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I'm beginning to blush...must be the central heating.
Keith
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I think he should get a prize - no contest! (Where are those prize people hiding?...)
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Actually, I have a confession to make - the look-up I did for a circa 1734 baptism for a William SWANN was NOT requested by Rosalie (I managed to remember her other request successfully), but by someone else on Rootschat. I've searched everywhere on here (I think) to try and see who wanted this information, but without success.
So, if anyone would like to claim it as their own, its the posting I made at 15.54 GMT on Wednesday 25th January...(though it does not push back the barriers in any way - I didn't find the actual baptism I was looking for, for William!)
Keith
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Yikes.....I made a post requesting a look up and thought I did it on this thread but it isn't here :( :(
I know it was sent because I read it after I sent it.....damn, this getting old is the pits !!!!
If anyone sees a post re a Witchford Parish look up in another area could you please post it here for me??
I am off to search but doubt my odds..... ;D ;D
dollylee
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My turn to blush.....I did it as a new topic.
If I had a brain cell it would be lonely. :D
dollylee
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Dollylee,
Another aspect of this William SWANN look-up is that there is another Rootschatter who contacted me to tell me that they were descended from this man's second marriage in 1780, so perhaps we could exchange PM's and I could put you in contact...
Keith
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Hi Keith
When you next wend your weary way up that hill to the CCRO if you have a mo could I trouble you for a lookup in Longstowe parish register for the following:
1818 marriage Ann Gates/William Sparks Any other details eg witnesses would be useful
I'm also looking for Ann's baptism, but I have a problem with her approx birth year. There's a baptism on Cambs Baptism Index in 1801 in Longstowe, which if you can find I'd appreciate details. But her age in censuses runs as follows: 35 in 1841 (which fits nicely with the 1801 entry; 55 in 1851 (which doesn't!) and 50 in 1861 (which is even worse). So if it's not too big a task could you also check for baptisms 1795-1811 for Ann Gates as well. (I'm hoping there'll only be the one in 1801)
As always, many thanks
Kind regards
David
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David,
What a great shame about this - I must have gone out of my door literally ten minutes before your message got posted on here. And guess where I was bound for...!
Did look up a couple of things at the CCRO for people on here - not posted my findings yet - but could so easily have accommodated your query. Will have to do this one on my next visit, whenever that might be.
Keith
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No hurry Keith. They've waited 200 years. Nothing is likely to change in the next month!
regards
David
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Especially as it's a short month - seriously though, I'll get this looked up in the next week or so, David...
Keith
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Hi Kieth
I bet you are regreting offering to look up in Cambs
If the offer still stands and I will understand if it doesn't
I wondered if you look up to see when James Chambers b 1829 and Martha Pilkington b 1828 married possibly in Whittlesey. More importantly I know they had two Children Martha and James is there any record of any others.
All data gratefully received
A LONG SHOT I know from 1901 census Martha was born in Ireland, is there any other record of where or any information on her family Mother Father etc
I am desperately trying to make a link with this family and now looking for a repeat of names passing from one generation to the next to add to my ever strengthening evidence
Cheers ian
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Hi, Ian,
I will certainly look for these members of your CHAMBERS family in the Whittlesey registers next time I'm at the CCRO (possibly this coming Tuesday). I'm afraid I'm not much use with advice on Irish BMD's, and I think they're quite tricky to track down, too.
I presume the c.1828 Martha birth is the Irish one - perhaps try a general post on the Irish boards here on Rootschat...
Very best wishes,
Keith
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Ian,
Here are the details from the 24-08-1851 marriage at Whittlesea St Andrews:
James CHAMBERS (x) 20, bachelor, labourer, Horsegate: father Jn CHAMBERS, thatcher to:
Martha PILKERTON (x) 22, spinster, Horsegate: father Ricd PILKERTON, labourer.
Witnesses: John CHAMBERS and Sarah CHAMBERS (x)
All these details would be on a marriage certificate that you could order from ONS...
Very best wishes,
Keith N.B. Bride's name given as PILKERTON rather than PILKINGTON
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David (Bedfordshire Boy),
Four days on, here is what I discovered on your request for the marriage GATES/SPARKS...
In the Longstowe registers, a marriage in 1818 (can't quite believe this, but I seem to have omitted the day and month...aargh!):
William SPARKES and Ann GATTES (sic). b.o.t.p. Witnesses Mary Wiles (x) and Wm Farr (but he appears on several of the contemporary marriages, so is probably connected with the church there).
Here is a baptism for Ann GATES, d. of Ellis and Elizabeth 08-11-1801
and her siblings, all children of Ellis and Elizabeth GATES:
29-09-1787: Charles s. of do do
29-11-1789: Rachel daughter of do do
25-09-1791: Mary d. of do do
28-07-1793: Robin s. of do do
25-10-1795: David s. of do do
14-01-1798: Thomas s. of do do
There are previously 3 baptisms of GATES children to Ellis and a Ruth, which will be explained by the burial entries that follow thereafter.
John GATES s. of Ellis and Ruth 09-08-1778
Rebeccah GATES d. of do do 15-04-1781
Samuel GATES s. of do do 1784 (Again, must have been rushing myself, as I've omitted the day and month)
Now, the burials: 03-06-1785: Ruth GATES, wife of Ellis
10-09-1792: Rachel d. of Ellis GATES
23-11-1801: Thomas, s. of Ellis GATES
22-06-1820: Thomas GATES aged 16
02-12-1833: Ellis GATES aged 82
28-11-1843: Elizabeth GATES of Gransden aged 91
07-04-1820: Wm SPARKS aged 24
Not quite clear about the 2 Thomas GATES' burials, so sorry about my slipshod transcribing - will nail them down properly next time!
Keith p.s. No sign of either of Ellis GATES's marriages in this particular parish, Longstowe
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Kia Ora Keith (& the Beds Boy)
Hope you both had a merry festive season on whatever you are drinking!
I have been absent during a very trying time with an elderly parent but am taking this opportunity to ask for some more help on my dreaded Faireys by whatever spelling!
Keith you kindly looked up some entries in Great Catsworth (about 4/5 of this thread)
I have some confusion about the baptism of William Fairey 1812 s/0 ot Thomas & MARY when all the other children appear to be of Thomas & SARAH (Mitchell).
Is it possible there was a 2nd marriage? It seems unlikely as a child born Gt Catworth but baptised 1810 in Riseley was named Thomas Mitchell Fairy.
Would Beds Boy be able to help me with me with the Hunts Marriage Index? Especially for any Fair(e)y marriages in Great Catworth 1820- ?
Also I have found an Ann Fairey bn c. 1835 & Eliza Fairey bn c. 1837 on the 1851 census. Both claim to have been born in Gt Catworth but which of my numerous Fairey do they belong to..?
I note the good humour has continued unabated - hope Mother's 80th birthday was a success and that you found the candles!
From a Down Under teacher
Marlene
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Kia Ora, Dale!
Sorry to hear you've had a difficult time with your family; and thanks for the greetings re the 80th birthday (went extremely well), and the Festive season - I still seem to be drinking rather a lot of red wine at the moment, way beyond Christmas, thanks to a very generous fellow Rootschatter.
I'll certainly have a look at your winged ancestors again, but no doubt David will have something to say too...
Keith
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Hi Keith
Thank you very much for that. If you are there again could you see if James and Martha christened their son James William in 1864
Cheers Much appreciated
Ian
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Many thanks Keith. I'm pretty sure that any Fair(e)y baptisms or marriages in Great & Little Catworth will be mine either residents or flown in!!!
I have no doubt at all that the Beds Boyo will have something to say .. the question is what! ::)
Delighted to hear you are being supplied well - why not take a trip to Aotearoa and try some of our vino?
Just had the rugby 7s here - now can't wait for the Commonwealth games!
Don't burst your boiler over the Fairys - just if you have minute!
Special thanks
Ka kite
Marlene
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Ian,
I've just looked on the freebmd site and there are two birth entries for a James CHAMBERS in the June 1864 quarter for Whittlesey, references 3b 587 and 3b 590. I would think that the correct one of these will give the complete forenames, though of course it's impossible to tell which one! Sometimes not all the forenames are given in the Parish transcripts.
I'll certainly have a look next time...
Keith
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Marlene,
I promise to get up the usual head of steam, but hopefully without bursting anything...
Keith
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Well if there is no fear of an eruption.. do they have Downham Cambridge records available?
I'm seeking the baptism of TINGEY BURGESS C. 1832 .
His father was Aunger Burgess and I suspect his mother to be Sarah Tingey/Tingay.
He was aged 9 in 1841 in Connington Hunts. I cannot find him in 1851 and in 1861 I suspect he was in Toronto Canada. He turns up again aged 38 in 1871 and is living in London with a Fairy wife whom he married in London in 1859. He died in London aged 45 in 1878.
A baptism just might help me pinpoint his age more accurately!
Fingers crossed.
Ka kite
Marlene
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Hi Keith
Many thanks for unlocking those Gates. As always you go the extra mile and pull out extra useful information as well as what's requested.
Much appreciated.
Glad Marlene is back, the only fairy stories I've come across recently have been at bedtime with my nipper.
You'd like it down here in France - I'm surrounded by vineyards in the Corbieres and Minervois, where there are plenty of small producers making some excellent red wines (whites are nothing to write home about). It used to be a plonk area but methods and grape varieties have improved the wines out of all recognition.
Chin chin
David
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Hi Marlene
Welcome back. I was wondering only last week where you'd gone.
Cambs FHS has a baptism index on its website
http://www.cfhs.org.uk/Search.html
But there are no Burgess baptisms in Downham and I can't see a Tinge/ay anywhere in Cambs. Plenty of Tinge/ays in Downham though
I'll look for your Hunts info later this afternoon. It's Wednesday and most French kids have Wednesdays off school, so my computer time is rationed!
All the best
David
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Marlene,
David may already have got the BURGESS/TINGEY request covered there with reference to the CFHS, but I'll have a little look around anyway next time I'm at Shire Hall...
...and David, glad a few GATES were open (even some double-barred ones, i.e. GATTES!), and I'll rectify those 2 omissions next time I'm at S.H. too.
Those wines sound tempting, lucky you to live in such a region. Do they still have tasting of samples beside the road as when I was last en France in 1977? ("Hotel California" blasting out everywhere...ooh, the nostalgia...)
Keith
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Hi Keith
I have the birth certificate for the james in question no mention of WILLIAM. However somebody suggested the opposite to you; that sometimes names are included at christenings that are not on the birth certificate. Heigh ho.
He is a James William on his marriage day but i wondered whether he adopted his new father in laws first name.
THANKS ANY WAY MUCH APPRECIATED
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Hi Marlene
Been looking at your Tingly Burgess:
BVRI Marriage Downham 31 Jan 1831 Aunger Burgess and Sarah Tingay
Burials Conington 7 Mar 1840 Sarah Burgess age 27
7 Sept 1847 Aunger Burgess age 48
Downham christenings up to 1876 have been extracted onto the IGI, and they've been transcribed (independently) 1801-37 by Cambs FHS. Neither has any children of Aunger and Sarah. So I think it's a fair assumption that Keith is unlikely to find anything in Downham parish register.
But..
there's a controlled extract on the IGI for Aunger's second marriage to Mary Scot - 21 Feb 1842 at Conington, and the children by this marriage were christened in the established church. But there's also a member submission for the same marriage, same date, but in a Methodist chapel in Huddersfield. You'd have to motor today to be married in both of those places on the same day, but in 1842 it would be nigh on impossible. So is it a fairly typical member submission; a bit like the curate's egg, good in parts? Or does it perhaps provide a clue that Aunger may have been a methodist, which is possibly why Tingey wasn't christened in the established church? The other option is that the entry is a load of rubbish like so many other member submissions (have you seen that the LDS is cleaning up the IGI by removing some duplicated entries? But they're removing the controlled extract and leaving the member submission!!!)
But with the marriage, the burial of Sarah, the 1841 and 1871 censuses, which all fit in pretty neatly, I think you're on safe ground even without a christening entry for Tingey.
I'll do a separate posting for the Hunts fairies.
Regards
David
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Hi Marlene
I've had a look at the Hunts Marriage Index and the following references to Catworth appear
1798 William of Catworth m Mary Bassett at Spaldwick
1808 James of March m Ann Peacock at Catworth
1833 Thomas Mitchell Fairy m Mary Baker at Catworth
1834 Mary Ann m Richard Baker at Catworth
1836 William m Ann Pashler widow at Catworth
I thought of you just before Christmas - I'd left all my Christmas tree decorations in a box in my mother's garage in Bedford, so had to buy a new lot. But look as hard as I could - I'm in France remember - I couldn't find the traditional fairy to go to top of the tree! Had to make do with a star instead. So unlike you I had a fairyless Christmas.
Regards
David
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OH DIDUMS! I cannot bear the thought of you stuck in a wine growing area of la belle France at Christmas time without a Fairy for your tree.
You'd better send me a PM with your snail mail address and I'll check if there are any Fairies in NZ I can send to you!
Many many thanks for the Fairy entries below. The Fairey /Bassett marriage belongs to Gill as you know.
Fairey /Peacock is an interesting link. That appears elsewhere in my tree.
Thomas Mitchell, Mary Ann & William will be mine.
Is there any indication of a William marrying an Ann Dickens? OR an Ann (Dickens?) marrying a Mr Pashler? I am intrigued as Wlilliam Fairey has a son named Thomas Dickens Fairey and from the discrepancies in ages on the Census for Ann I suspect there might have been 2 wives for this fella! I haven't got Ann in 1841 for some reason!
Very grateful indeed for your help. That will save the old fella huffin' & puffin' up the hill with weighty Fairey tomes on his shoulders!
I might sort out some baptisms now to keep him on his toes and to make sure his sweat glands are pouring pure red wine!
Thanks & regards
Marlene
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Hi Marlene
You are doubly right. Christmas just isn't Christmas without a fairy.
And right again, Samuel Pashler married Ann Dickens at Catworth in 1826, so that probably explains Thomas Dickens Fairy. There's a burial in Catworth on 17 Dec 1829 of Samuel Pashler age 23.
You really are Miss Right today! I married my Miss Right some years ago. It was only after we were married that I discovered her first name was Always.
Less of the old fella if you please. He's younger than me!
Kah lua
David
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Now look here, Marlene,
In a couple of months I will have caught up with David on the age thing, but I do remember as a smallish boy in the mid 1950's, when we lived in Wiltshire, there was a plane that used to regularly fly overhead - in fact I think at one time it was the fastest plane in the world. It was called the Fairy Delta, and flew from Boscombe Down, I believe, on various test flights.
Two things, the first being that I don't suppose you're going to claim any kind of FAIRY family ownership on THAT; secondly, imagine my progress up the hill being more in the mode of that one-time graceful plane!
Keith
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Gidday Mate
Kahlua & milk ... now that brings back memories of many a student party! Nuff said.
Glad I'm getting something right at last! Many thanks for clarifying the Dickens/Pashler prob I had everything else now falls into place! Amazing how it all makes sense once you get a missing piece of the puzzle!
Delighted with that wee gem thank you.
IF only we could link Gill's Faireys with mine I'd be really happie chappie!
I s'pose your poor wife married Mr Neva Rong??
Cheers
Marlene (whose 86 year old mother was sent home from hospital today after requesting gin in her intravenous drip!)
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Ok I'll confess to the Fairey aircraft connection with Sir Richard - just have to prove all these family rumours which have been floating around the Shakey Isles to which my Elizabeth aka Betsy/Lizzie escaped in 1878!
My suspicion is that a certain Nathaniel Farey (a dissenter of regular court appearances in Beds in the late 1600s) sent out his sons to multiply in the hinterlands of Hunts, Cambs & Northants. Many of them appear to have been Methodist or Baptists. (I have about 2000 of the little beasties on my tree) .
Unfortunately although the "family rumours" exist of Sir Richard ( he had a Hunts connection) I have been unable to prove it! However with your help, and David's, Gill and I are gradually piecing bits together which MIGHT eventually lead back further than 1788 which is as far as I can go at present. Hence I am filling in the details of the cuzzies in Gt Catworth of my 4x great grandfather always hoping that sometime the magic of the Faireys will give me the breakthrough I need! Finding Gill has meant nne of our Fairy rumours has proved correct - we did have the husband of a Fairy in Queen Victoria's court! So it ain't all bull!
Delighted to know that your brain cells haven't been destroyed by the wine and that the 50s are clear in your memory.
What do they say about long term memory....?
Marlene
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Hi again, Ian (Chambers re your last posting 159 on this thread!),
They had to get the original Whittlesey St. Andrew register out for this one, and at first when I homed in on 1864, I could find no entry for your James CHAMBERS.
So I began in 1860 and went through to 1872. Baptisms:
27-05-1860: John son of John and Ann CHAMBERS of Broad Street
12-01-1862: Ellen daughter of do do of Eastrea? (handwriting atrocious)
then a double whammy: 19-07-1868: Thomas and James sons of John and Ann CHAMBERS of St Andrews (just bothering with name of Parish now)
So, no middle name, but the handwriting of the clergyman was so poor you couldn't even read HIS name - and he obviously couldn't be doing with the bother of any middle names even if they'd existed. All entries had the father John CHAMBERS as a labourer. Then one last baptism:
07-07-1872: Lucy Anne daughter of Ann CHAMBERS.
Not sure where husband John has vanished to, but there were 10 baptisms to put in the book that day, a crossing out or two, practically illegible scrawl - so he might just have forgotten to put the father's name down.
Query not answered, but as near to info from the horse's mouth as you're likely to get, Ian...
Keith
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and now David, a.k.a. Bedfordshire Boy,
Tidying up those loose ends:
Feb 10th 1818: the marriage between William SPARKES and Ann GATTES
March 28th 1784: the baptism of Samuel GATES, son of Ellis and Ruth...
...and that marriage you asked me to look up in Longstowe was written/inserted in pencil with a note that said "AA 6-12-94". I asked, and was told that this was the archivist Alison Ackroyd in 1994 putting in a marriage that must have been in the original book, but for some reason had not been transcribed.
It was the only marriage between 1775 and 1780 (so Longstowe wasn't exactly a busy place then):
26-01-1778: Ellis GATES of Bourn and Ruth REYNOLDS otp (unsigned). No witnesses. By vicar of Great Gransden.
Keith
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Dale (Marlene).
I looked up that Gt. Catsworth 1812 baptism for William FAIREY, and it still says parents: Thomas and Mary. Looked, but couldn't find a marriage for them. I looked up an Ann FAIREY baptism for c. 1835, but there wasn't one; the Eliza FAIREY c. 1837 baptism turned out to be 31-10-1836, parents William and Ann (Tailor). There was a double baptism that day, as George FAIRY son of Thomas Mitchell FAIRY (Shoemaker) and wife Ann was also entered.
The only other nearby FAIRY baptism was:23-12-1838: Joseph son of William and Ann (Tailor).
The only FAIRY wedding in Gt. Catworth of this period was 30-11-1808 between James FAIRY of March and Ann PEACOCK otp.
Now, the Downham look-up: A marriage on 31-01-1831: Aunger BURGESS bachelor and Sarah TINGAY spinster. Witnesses Robert Aspland and John Aspland. No baptisms thereafter until a series:
17-07-1853: Esther Sarah BURGESS d. of Anjier and Elizabeth (farmer)
14-12-1857: A triple occasion, Robert John, Elizabeth Ann, Caroline Mary children of Ainger and Elizabeth of Oxlode (private)
Two more baptisms: 16-01-1862: Alberta Jane d. of do do.
30-03-1864: Fanny Ann d. of do do.
Strangely, in the Banns listing there was a 30-01-1831: Austen BURGESS bachelor and Sarah TINGET spinster.
Surely someone must have misheard badly...what do you think?
Finally, I spotted a 1725 reference to a William FAIRY in Sawston, which turned out to be details of a title deed. Will PM you later with this...
Keith
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Hi Keith
Thanks very much for sorting out those details, and for finding that first marriage.
Unfortunately Ellis's father was conspicuous by his absence so that's another line I won't be following.
Kind regards
David
PS Just been Googling for Ellis Gates - the second result was The latest posts of Keith Sherwood, but a subsequent hit was an American, James Ellis Gates whose father was, wait for it.........................
Perley Gates
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Kia Ora Keith
Delighted with the Burgess info thanks very much indeed. I'll need to concentrate the aging brain cells once I deal with a few more immediate probs.
I am very grateful indeed to the Beds Boy and yourself for all the advice, direction and your resources - wouldn't have sorted it without you 2.
I'll shout you a cold one when I win the Lotto and visit!
Orange juice of course!
Ka Kite apopo
Marlene
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Thank you ever so much for your efforts Keith. It is very much appreciated.
Trust me to get a lazy vicar.
Out of curiosity
Do they do copies of the registers as I may take a trip up to Cambridge sometime
Kind regards
Ian
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Ian,
The great majority of Cambs Parish Records have been transcribed and are conveniently sitting on the shelves in bound books. That's one of the reasons I'm able to offer fairly quick look-ups for Rootschatters. On Fiche is perhaps next easiest in the location of particular records; microfilm often means wading for ages through the reel.
I would think the CFHS site has details of which records are transcribed or not - Bedfordshire Boy is the man to ask about that.
For some reason some of the most recent Parish Records - especially the large ones such as Whittlesey - have not yet been transcribed. But it's such a privilege to be able to leaf through the original book...
Very best wishes,
Keith
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Not sure if I have sent you this reply vian the main page.
The info you gave me threw a bit of a curve ball and needed a bit more research as the dates did not quite tie up
a JOHN Chambers b1811 AND ANN b 1807 had a number of children including:-
James (who went on to marry Martha Pilkerton and gave birth to the James 1864 at the heart of all this)
and a JOHN 1841
This I already knew from previous research
It gets confusing because having looked at the 1861 census John 1841 marries another Ann b abt 1839 with an 11mnth old son John. I believe it is their children you found in the parish records.
It is still information that I did not know so not a wasted effort in any way
Thanks again
Ian
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Ian,
Is "the curve ball" a baseball term? And if so, is it difficult to hit...? I was just spreading the net for the baptism you were hoping to find for James in 1864, I think. The CHAMBERS family may well have been represented beyond the 1860-1872 period I actually looked up. And the double baptism (I don't think they were twins, necessarily) probably showed they were in not much of a hurry to baptise their children...
But I've just noticed that you gave the parents as James and Martha, so it WAS the wrong family. Might it have been the other Whittlesey parish, St.Mary's, then?
Keith
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I have just had a look at the birth certificate for James (son of Martha and james) on 9th May1864; they were living in a place called Horsegate, Whittlesey at the time, I do not know if that would tell us which parish they were in.
I think I am going to have to make a visit to this place and spend some time looking them up as I can't keep encroaching on your time. Have you got an address for the Cambs county records office please.
Thanks again for all your efforts
Ian
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Ian.
Their address is: Box RES 009, Shire Hall, Castle Hill, CB3 OAP Tel: 01223 717281
They are always closed on Mondays, and during the rest of the week they open at 9 a.m. (close between 12.45 and 1345 for lunch, which can be a nuisance). They then close at about 5.15, though perhaps half an hour earlier on Friday. Not exactly sure, but I'm sure you can google for their website.
They're very helpful there, in extremely cramped premises (the move to a larger building is planned in 2-3 years time).
Keith
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Hi Keith,
Next time you visit would you be able to look up a marriage even if I don't have a reference? (Will understand if it's too difficult).
This is what I have.
1851 Census: Queen Street Wisbech
George Gilby Head 37yrs Tailor
Mary Ann Wife 33 yrs
John F Son 4yrs
Walter Son 1yr
Trying to find marriage between George Gilby and Mary Ann (nee Frost).
Did find a cert for a marriage between George Gilby (it was under Giley) and Ann Frost 1 Aug 1841 at Walsoken in the County of Norfolk. Don't know if this Ann is the same as Mary Ann Frost?
Another point is that if the couple m. in 1841 their first child wasn't recorded until 1847 - bit unusual.
As I say, don't worry if not enough information.
All the best,
Gail (our Dynes connection)
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Hello, Gail -
Keith has helped me so much, I thought I would help him!
It seems to me that the marriage you have already found in 1841 in Walsoken is probably the correct marriage for George Gilby.
The 1851 census entry you have for the family is actually Queen St, Walsoken, which is in Norfolk - though Wisbech has now absorbed the parish. George's wife Mary Ann is listed in 1851 onwards as Mary Ann, b Walsoken.
But in the 1841 census there are no Mary Ann Frosts in Walsoken.
There is however an Ann Frost, dressmaker aged 24 living in George St, Walsoken with her sister Tabitha aged 20, also a dressmaker. Both shown as born in county. There are no parents living with them.
A few doors away (on the previous page) is Geo Gilby aged 27, tailor, living with the Allen Family, also in George Street. Interestingly, noted as born in county - all other census returns show him born in Northants.
I found a baptism for Tabitha Frost in the IGI - 12 Nov 1820, Walsoken, Norfolk, England - daughter of Robert Frost and Sarah. The entry is from a multi-parish Norfolk batch covering the single year of 1820.
There is a marriage in the Wisbech Index for Robert Frost and Sarah Camps in Walsoken in 1811. The Index stops at 1812 so no relevant baptisms, unfortunately. The pages for Walsoken can be found here:
http://contueor.com/wisbech/fenlands/walsoken.htm
And if such things interest you there are some stunning photos of the church at Walsoken here:
http://www.norfolkchurches.co.uk/walsoken/walsoken.htm
On the same page you can find out that whilst part of the churchyard is in Norfolk, the rectory and an extension of the graveyard are in Cambs - a nightmare for family historians when a county boundary passes right through a place in which you are interested!
So that may be a place for Keith to start! Or not - it may be that it's the Norfolk record office you need.
Or of course, it could all be a complete red herring....
Best regards
Wendy
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Hi Wendy,
Thank you so much for finding out this information for me - it is impossible to do from Australia. Just as well I don't live in Cambridge because I think I'd spend my days in the Record Office.
:D
I am particularly grateful for the way in which you've set out the information explaining the problems with boundaries etc. And yes, I'll enjoy looking at the photos of the church at Walsoken - thanks for that as well.
I think what you've given me is looking pretty good, but to make sure it might be a good idea to check the Norfolk record office as well - have to see if someone is doing look-ups there.
I take it that Keith will most likely see this message or should I contact him to let him know that you have done the look-up??
Again, you have made some frustrated researchers in Oz very happy!
All the best,
Gail
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Hi, Gail -
I am sure Keith will see my post - he keeps his eye on this thread!
The county boundary thing is a nuisance - complicated by the fact that although Walsoken is in Norfolk, it registers in Wisbech which is Cambs.
Pre-1837 baptisms, marriages and stuff MAY be in the Norfolk Parish records - post-1837 stuff MAY be in Cambs.
Keith will know, I am sure!
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Hello Wendy,
Thanks again.
If you need to trace any ancestors that came to Australia (especially New South Wales) you know who to ask - would be more than happy to help out.
All the best,
Gail
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Hi
Is it possible to view marriage entry on 30 Dec 1829 of Stephen GOLDING and Frances Gee, at Longstanton, Cambs Eng.
Am interested to find out if it lists anything about them witnesses etc?
Also interested what other lookups are available for Oakington.
Is there such thing as a death register?
John GOLDING m Ann FLOOD and had
William 1777 m Agnes Stittle 1802
John 1779
James 1781
Charley 1786 d. 1786
Thomas 1788
George 1791 m Ann Linton
Joseph GOLDING 1783
Wondered if they had any other children?
marriage reference of William and Georges marriages and if John, James, Thomas or Joseph married?
Is there usually other info in register or is it better to just order certificate?? I don't have much idea about this stuff can you tell?
Sorry if it's too much I got a bit carried away.
Would be happy to just find out what records are available for Oakington and Longstanton and how they're most easily looked up.
I wish Cambridge wasn't so far from me I'd love to get in there myself some day.
Thanks in advance
Lilygirl
downunder.
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Hi Lilygirl
Not sure how far you are from an LDS Family History Centre where you live down under (these are listed on www.familysearch.org) but if one is not too far most of these parish registers or the BTs have been filmed and can be ordered for viewing at the Centre. Wherever a centre is in Oz it's got to be closer than Cambridge!
Regards
David
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I've just found Keith's last post dated 19 Feb on the Common Room board which I hope he won't me copying here
"Because, I'm afraid I'm going away myself for a while, am sadly unable to deal with any outstanding queries that may have just been put to me. A very difficult time at this very instant within my own small family.
But as a larger extended family, all you Rootschatters have been absolutely wonderful. I shall miss you all, and hopefully I'll be back on line in a few months time...
Keith"
Hope everything works out for Keith and that he'll be back soon.
All the best
David
Until we know that he's back in action I suggest we all suspend requests for Keith to rush up the hill to CCRO to do look ups.
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Many thanks for letting us know, David.
After all the help Keith has given to so many of us, I am sure he will know that we are thinking of him.
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Kia Ora Keith
I shall miss all the banter on various juices etc and do hope all comes well for you & your family.
I hope you're going somewhere nice with a wee hill to ensure your daily constitutional (!) is maintained.
Let us know when you're back!
Thanks for letting us know Beds BOY!
Ka kite apopo
See ya
Marlene
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Hi again, Everyone,
So good (and what a relief) to be back, so will presently be looking into those unanswered queries here re Cambs records at the CCRO for the likes of LilyGirl, for one... After the weekend, I'll comb through and see what needs looking up before Easter...
Very best wishes,
Keith
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:D :D :D :D :D :D
Welcome back Keithy Babe- missed you and the banter!!!
Have you seen the Australian TV Advert which is too shocking for the genteel English? Every time I saw it I thought of you! It finishes with a bikini woman on an empty beach saying "Now where the b@#$% hell are ya?"
Apparently your watchdogs have banned it from your screens which I thought rather ironic as my predecessors probably learned the expletive from the Pommies in the trenches!
Now I wonder how many of my Fairys are missing...... :-*
Ciao
Marlene
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It wasn't the language, it was the partially clad Sheila that shocked us.
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Too cold in your neck of the woods for that sort of gear?
M
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...and still pretty nippy for the time of the year here in Cambridge, but just the weather for puffing up Castle Hill on Wednesday (hopefully), and getting to grips with some of the requests made by Lilygirl on here and by PM for the parishes of Longstanton, Oakington, and Knapwell.
For those who don't know (this is the anorak in me, now), Knapwell is the only Cambs "Thankful Village", i.e. the only village in the County who sent men and women to fight in the 1914-18 War - and they all returned safely...
Keith
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Kia Ora Keith!
I have one request which you might be able to help me with!
I asked earlier for you to find the Baptism of an Amy Fair(e)y born c. 1835 in Great Catsworth.
Amy is on the 1841 census aged 6 with parents William & Ann Fairey. I have now identified that her mother Ann was married previously to a SAMUEL PASHLER which probably explains why you couldn't find Amy Fairey!
I think Samuel Pashler married Ann Dickens 26 December 1826 in Gt Catsworth and Ann remarried to William Fairey.
Are you able to confirm that Ann Pashler, Widow, married William Fairey and a baptism date for an Amy Pashler for me please? Hopefully Amy's baptism will confirm her biological parents!!!
GGGRREEAATT to have you back! Hope all is well.
Ka Kite
Marlene
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Marlene,
I'll have a look in the Great Catworth registers on Wednesday for those...
N.B. Talking of those Thankful Villages just now re Knapwell, I've looked up in my book about all 32 of them in England. The ironical thing is that the village that sent out the largest number of all-surviving combatants (44) is in Gloucestershire and is called Upper Slaughter...
Keith
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You're pulling my leg!!!
I had never heard of the "Thankful Villages" but I bet they were!
Perhaps one day when it is too wet or too windy or snowing (!) you will be thankful to stay home and type up the list!
Probably a new topic under "resources"? It's a wonderful wee extra "gem" if you're lucky enough to have the villlage in your Family Tree.
If uou post all the locations you won't be beseiged by eternal questions!
Many thanks for mentioning it!
Marlene
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O.K. Marlene, you asked for it...
The phrase was coined by Arthur Mee in his King's England series of county books
Bedfordshire: Stanbridge (33 men went to war and all returned...)
Cambridgeshire: Knapwell (23)
Derbyshire: Bradbourne (18)
Gloucestershire: Coln Rogers (25)
Little Sodbury (6)
Upper Slaughter (44)
Leicestershire: Willesley (3)
Lincolnshire: Bigby (10)
Northamptonshire: Woodend (19)
Nottinghamshire: Maplebeck (2)
Wigsley (7)
Wysall (17)
Norfolk: Ovington (14)
Rutland: Teigh (11)
Somerset: Aisholt (8)
Chelwood (4)
Rodney Stoke (17)
Stanton Prior (4)
Stocklinch (19)
Tellisford (3)
Woolley (13)
Suffolk: South Elmham (11)
Wiltshire: Littleton Drew (22)
Yorkshire: Catwick (20)
Cayton (43)
Cundall (12)
Norton-le-Clay (16)
Now, I've just counted these entries up, and there only appear to be 27 listed, and Mr Mee wrote about there being 8 villages in Somerset alone, not just the 7 I have... So the list doesn't seem to be complete - does anyone know what the other 5 village names might be?
Such a carnage, no wonder a mere handful of villages were unscathed...
Keith
p.s. for some bizarre reason, Aisholt in Somerset with 8 men safely back is showing as a smiley in sunglasses...
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This would have saved your typing fingers - my friend !! ;)
http://www.fylde.demon.co.uk/thankful.htm
Theres some women mentioned too !!
Annie :)
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Annie,
You always seem to have everything at instant recall at your fingertips...so what WERE the other 5 villages, then - my own digits are too tired to look now!
Keith
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Hi Keith !
According to Tom Morgan - there are 41 ! plus some more that are maybe's !! that's a fascinating project - don't you think ??
Our research is not conclusive but it does suggest that the only villages with a clear claim to "Thankfulness" are the 41 villages given in List One.
We don't have expert local knowledge of every village, so perhaps there is other information to be considered. If any readers carry out any further research at local level, we would be very happy to
include their research here and, if necessary, revise our listings in the light of new evidence.
I'm so glad " you're home " - we've missed you !!
Annie :) :)
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Annie,
I just hope the good villagers of Aisholt in Somerset don't get too upset by the smiley in sunglasses. That's how it came out when I tried to do: bracket, figure 8, bracket.
Better get back to the Cambs Look-ups now, or I'll be in trouble - this little pre-amble came about, after all, with a request for a look-up in Knapwell; then my imagination took over.
Yes, it is good to be back...!
Keith
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Hi Keith
Welcome back!
No rush on this one, once you've cleared your antipodean backlog, if you would be so kind:
Croxton: burial Edward COZENS between 1684-88
baptism Mary BARRETT c1660 (she married Edward
above in Aug 1684 at Croxton)
Gamlingay: there were four HALE baptisms 1700-1704 - are
there any additional details that are not on the
IGI?
I'm not sure if Cambridge also holds Hunts records? If so could you kindly check Waresley for HALE baptisms 1689 -1700. I think Avery HALE was baptised there on 24 March 1689. but there's a suspicious gap then until the Gamlingay baptism in 1700.
Many thanks
David
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David,
Are you expecting further HALE baptisms beyond 1704 in Gamlingay...?
Keith
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Hi Keith
No, just those 4, 1700-1704
Thanks
David
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David,
In the Croxton transcripts, a burial on 13th May 1687 for an Edward COZYN, farmer...
A baptism on 31-07-1655 for an Edward COSIN, son of Edward and Jeane.
and on from the phonetically challenging COZENS/COZYN/COSIN to Gamlingay:
a baptism on 03-03-1700 for a John HALE, son of John and Mary. Underneath it gave "gp" (presumably godparents, rather than grandparents): John ATKINS, John PEET, Eliz Barret (?), Mary EDWARDS.
Baptism: 20-02-1702: Richard and Thomas HALE, twin children of Will (sic)
Baptism: 25-02-1704: William HALE, son of John and Mary...
Very obliging of that vicar to pop in the names of godparents too...
Regards, keith
p.s. just noticed that it was Mary Barrett's baptism you wanted looking up, not Edward's. Next time!
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Marlene,
Great Catsworth: Marriage on 07-03-1836 between William FAIREY (bac) (x), tailor and Ann PASHLER (x) widow. Witnesses: Thomas Millwood and Charlotte Fairy (x)
Baptism: 08-02-1835 of Amy PASHLER base born daughter of Anna, widow...
Doesn't quite clear parentage up, but that's all there was...
Keith
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Hi Keith
You're a star! Thanks very much for those. The Cozyns burial was exactly what I was hoping for, and adds the final confirmation to his widow Mary's marriage to John Hale.
And the godparents were also interesting, particularly Elizabeth Barret who may have been Mary's sister. I have no details of any of her siblings - her parents were married in Everton but no children were baptised there, so they may be elsewhere in Hunts or Cambs. It's just a case of finding which parish - I know her parents are right as she was left a fiver by her grandfather in 1672.
Do I assume that Cambridge doesn't hold Waresley PRs?
Thanks again
Kind regards
David
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Yes, David,
Or rather, no, they don't hold the Waresley records...
K...and I'll definitely look for any 17thC BARRET(S) baptisms in Croxton next time I'm at Shire Hall...
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and now Lilygirl, in no particular alphabetical order, we come to your GEE's...
Marriage in Knapwell: 06-11-1799: James GEE (x) of Longstanton to Susanna MALLING otp. Witnesses: Robert Woolhard (x) and Samuel Skeggs (x)
I found no burial entry for the GEE family in Knapwell, but when I looked in Longstanton St Michael, there was on 21-05-1860 a burial of a James GEE of Chesterton Union, about 82.
Could this be the same man, having fallen on hard times, and having been housed by this workhouse on the edge of Cambridge.
Also from the Longstanton St Michael's registers (there is an All Saints, Longstanton, but no GEE entries there covering the period you were asking about)
Marriage on 19-02-1825: Susanna GEE otp. to Thomas FLETCHER of Holy Trinity Cambridge. Witnesses: Melia Fletcher and Wm Neal.
Marriage on 19-09-1826: Maria GEE (x) sp. otp. to Edward GOLDING (x) bac. of Oakington. Witnesses: John Smith (x) and Sarah Golding (x)
Marriage on 30-12-1829: Frances GEE sp. otp. to Stephen GOLDING bac. of Oakington. Witnesses: Edward Golding (x) and Maria Golding (x).
Quite a bit of family intermingling here between the GEE's and GOLDING's!
I'll pause for a cup of tea now, and give you the rest of the GOLDING entries I found in Oakington by PM...
Very best wishes,
Keith
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Hi Keith
Well.. base born sounds some what better than bastard which I have encountered before on the registers!!
Many thanks for Amy's baptism it confirms what I suspected but I guess I'll never know whether William was the culprit or not!
I think Ann/a 's husband died 1829 so anything/anyone is possible!
Many thanks for your help! I'll owe you one!
Still hoping the Bangaldeshis trounce the Aussies...! Now wouldn't that be a celebration!
Cheers
Marlene
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Marlene,
Well, I see that Ponting's men scraped home by three wickets...
Keith
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Hi there Keith,
What a legend. Thanks a lot for your help. Have to go now heading away for Easter hope to get in a spot of fishing if the weather is fine! but just wanted to say thanks so much and also wish you a happy easter.
Hope the easter bunny is kind to you!!
And must admit was good to hear ''Punters boys made it even if it was a bit of a struggle. But Gillespie is a fellow South Australian so now he's there it was obviously him that made all the difference!!! LOL
;)
Bye for now happy hunting will be in touch.
Lilygirl.
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Darn It!
Marlene (being VERY polite!)
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Hi Keith
While you're looking at Croxton could I also trouble you to check the baptism entry for Henry (Henerichus) Madlock on 16 June 1661, son of Jacobus and Gratia. Was there anything else relating to this entry - probably not!
Many thanks
David
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David,
If those names are written in the Latin version, then perhaps there'll be a few Latinisms in the details, so I'd better take my classical dictionary with me. Managed to pass an "O" Level in the subject, but that was 44 years ago. Sometimes keep my eye in trying to decipher old tombs in churches...
Hope you've had a restful Easter...
Keith
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Keith
If its not too late, I would be most grateful for any info on a marriage between Elizabeth Wayment and John Price.
Elizabeth in censuses from 1851 to 1881 is described as being from Barrington, Cambs with a date of birth in the range 1806 to 1811.
The Cambridgeshire baptism index comes up with an Elizabeth Wayment baptism in 1809 at Bassingbourn which seems plausible.
The first child is born in Basingstoke abt 1837 and this would seem to point to a marriage date sometime in the early/ middle 1830s.
Would this be a simple enough look-up, and is it possible via the library to obtain copies of these entries?
regards
Alan
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Alan,
Am I looking in both the Bassingbourn and the Barrington parish registers for you? (I'm imagining that the "Basingstoke" reference was a mental slip on your part - or does Hampshire come into this family's equation too?)
I'll certainly look in both Bassingbourn and Barrington for Elizabeth's baptism circa 1809; and a marriage to John in the 1830's...
Keith
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Keith
Many thanks for offering to pursue Elizabeth Wayment for me.
Elizabeth Price (nee Wayment) turns up in Basingstoke in the 1841 census with 2 children aged 2 (Robert) and 4 (John) born "in the County" (i.e Hampshire.). This seems to suggest a marriage date pre 1837.
In the census returns for 1851 and 1881 EW gives place of birth as Barrington, Cambs and that is where I expected to find her, but a search of the CFHS Baptism Index only came up with one Elizabeth Wayment and that baptism took place at Bassingbourn in 1809. The parents are given as John and Mary.
Such a date of birth would fit in with the inconsistent dates of birth given in censuses by EW which woud suggest anything in the range 1806 to 1811.
I would hope that her marriage would be in either Barrington or Bassingbourn.
Thank you once again. I never cease to be amazed and humbled by the army of enthusiastic Rootschat genealogists who are prepared to help others so willingly.
Alan
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Alan,
I sure I'm speaking for all of us when I say we ENJOY doing this kind of thing, bizarrely enough. Will be looking for your family this afternoon...(in Cambridgeshire, if not in Hampshire - they obviously enjoyed being associated with places beginning with BA....)
Keith
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Keith
I just noticed an error on my part - its EW and GEORGE Price (not John as in my opening message).
I think the link is railway development. George becomes a Railway Fireman and his family then appear in succesive censuses in Basingstoke, Lakenham (Norwich), Ipswich, Widnes and Rotherhithe and various children are born in Cove (Hants), Stowmarket, Basingstoke, and Rouen in France!
Alan
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By George, I think I've got it (noted down in my little book...)
Re the Railways, did you know there's an early map of Cambridge showing, I think, 19 different proposed sites for the railway station before they decided on its present-day location...
Keith
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David (aka Bedfordshire Boy),
I'm probably not going to add much to your present knowledge on your 17thC roots in Cambs, but here we go...
The Croxton entry was obviously a (translated) transcription, for on 16-06-1661: Baptism of Henry MADLOCK son of James and Grace of Eltisley.
The only BARRAT baptism was: 08-04-1724: Mary BARRAT daughter of Thomas of Ellington and Mary.
There were three marriages, the 1684 one you've already quoted on here, and:
16-10-1688: Edward BARRETT and Elizabeth BARRETT botp
14-04-1713: Nicolas BARRETT of Elsworth to Mary BURRIDGE of Croxton.
So, I looked for Mary BARRETT's baptism in Eltisley, Ellington and Elsworth.
Elsworth was overflowing with BARRETT's: 18 baptisms between 1632 and 1749; 7 marriages between 1631 and 1745; 16 burials between 1572 (!) and 1758.
No sign of Mary, the nearest being a couple of baptisms for a Martha BARRAT, daughter of Thomas the younger and Martha: 02-04-1665 and 24-02-1666.
Didn't actually look at any of those burials, so don't know whether one or maybe both of these two namesakes died young.
Finally, in Toseland nearby: a 1617 BARRATT baptism.
So, Eltisley seems to be the particular hotspot for BARRETT's - hope at least something here helps...
Very best wishes,
keith
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Alan (aka Nedroma),
Found a great many WAYMENT entries in the Bassingbourn registers.
Baptism: Elizabeth WAYMENT daughter of John and Mary 09-07-1809
In Barrington a marriage: 13-04-1828: George PRICE (x) bachelor to Elizabeth WAYMAN (x) spinster bothofthisparish. Witnesses John Allen and Joseph Prime
I would imagine that the WAYMENT family moved from Bassingbourn soon after Elizabeth was born, as no more of her siblings were recorded there. That entry in the Census must be an error - of memory, perhaps...
very best wishes,
keith
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Thanks very much for all your hard work Keith. Much appreciated. At least I have a few ideas now on where I should be concentrating my Barrett research. Fortunately these people had money, so there are wills to help.
Where's orange crush gone? I wanted to discuss the performance of the NZ cricket team with her!!! Come on Marlene, put your head above the parapet.
Kind regards
David
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David, and Marlene,
We'd better allow for the time difference, but it did look as though the Kiwis were doing all right after the first innings...The cricket season here has made a very slow, cold start. But I'll wander up the road soon when the University plays its first game against one of the Counties at Fenners, armed with a flask of something hot...
Keith
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Always ready for a good stoush boys! All the olds here were good old farm lads ready for the rodeo and tackling well fed heifers. Didn't have time to "take tea" and and take days out for the refinements of knocking maidens over etc I'm afraid!
Just haven't had enough practice I'm afraid!
BUT there's always the rugby/league etc....?
Cheers
Kia Ora Kid!
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Keith
Thank you for the info - sorry I couldnt reply earlier; Friday became a day filled with other things.
In your opinion are the Elizabeth Wayment baptized 1809 at Bassingbourn and the the Elizabeth Wayman married in 1828 at Barrington one and the same person?
I presume as they were both "of this parish" that George must have been living in Barrington at the time of the marriage otherwise they would have needed a special licence.
I have a birth cert for one of their children (Charles Henry, my g-g-grandfather) born at Basingstoke in 1843 and the mothers maiden name is quite clearly Wayment.
Is there a means of getting copies of these Parish Register entries?
Alan
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Alan,
My opinion would be that they were one and the same. Afraid I'm not sure what the situation is re obtaining copies of the original entries. They do have some of the original registers at the CCRO which I suppose could be photocopied. Marriages were entered in a book with columns and headings, so were much clearer and standardised - from 1812, I think...
Keith
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Hello Keith,
If I may take advantage of your offer please - on your next visit to the records office would you kindly look for the following family in Whaddon Cambs.
My 4G was Robert Moule (B: c. 1766 Whaddon)
Married Mary Cole 25.11.1805 Whaddon.
On Robert's headstone in Whaddon cem. it says .........seventh son of Adams and Mary Moule....
IGI says Adams Moule married Mary Levitt 03.07.1755 Will. By St Ives Cambs.
I would like to know names and Bp dates of the children of Adams and Mary MOULE - (at least 7 sons between 1755 and 1766! I dont know about daughters) Most likely all born Whaddon.
I believe Adams died Whaddon 1806 (exact date unknown)
I don't have any idea about his wife, Mary Moule's death but after that many children it was probably pre 1800!!
With a first name of ADAMS - somewhere I am hoping to find a marriage of a Moule and Adams (pre 1725?) but unsuccessful so far. :(
Any Moule information would be very much appreciated.
Thank you
Regards
Di
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Hi, Lady Di,
It's possible I'll get to the CCRO next week, after this bank holiday weekend. I've never leafed through the Whaddon records before...
Very best wishes,
Keith
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Thanks Keith,
Fingers crossed ;D
By the way, you Kersey family didn't come from Debenham by any chance. I have a second marriage of Ellen Ann Kersey (widow of Peter) remarried abt 1860 if memory serves me correctly.
Regards
Di
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Di,
Actually, Kersey is the name of the chocolate-box Suffolk village where my LINGLEY family were born and lived for a while in the 19thC. I have probably not set out my interests lists very clearly...!
Keith
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Thanks for clearing that up Keith. 'Tis a shame - I'd love to find a connection with someone/anyone on RC
Better luck next time :-\
Di
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Di, Hopefully there may be a few link-ups with other Rootschatters after next week when I've given the Whaddon registers the full treatment!
Keith
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Oh yes please Keith, we can only live in hope
Di
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Hi Keith
Next time you are at the top of the hill, could I trouble you for a quick look up in Gamlingay for the burial of Chris(topher) Apthorpe between 1648 and 1680. He married Dorothy Luke, my 9xg grandmother, from nearby Everton (which could never seem to make up its mind whether it was in Beds or Hunts) in Elstow Beds in 1647 and she was buried, a widow, in Everton in 1680.
I don't know where Chris was from but there's a baptism of Chris Apthorpe in Gamlingay in 1624 so I'm hoping! The baptism and marriage are the only IGI entries for Chris Apthorpe anywhere in the country, but I'm a bit worried as he would have been about 20 years younger than Dorothy.
No rush, I'm leaving in the morning for a few days in sunny Bedford so won't be checking in until next week.
Many thanks
David
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Right, David,
I'll look in Gamlingay, though I've often in the past found the period you are asking me to look in tends to have omissions and pages missing because of the Commonwealth/Restoration of Monarchy confusion. Must have been a hard time to keep records intact with all those zealous iconoclasts bashing your parish church to bits - especially Mr Dowsing and his henchmen in East Anglia...
Have to tell you it's a miserable Bank Holiday morning in neighbouring Cambridgeshire, but you've probably already set off by now...
Keith (up the hill on a regular basis - fortunately not "over the hill" yet)
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Hi again, David (Bedfordshire Boy, presently returned to roots),
Had a look through the APTHORP(E) burials between 1648 and 1680 in Gamlingay. No sign of Chris(topher), but this is the complete list:
19-11-1651: Joane APTHORP d. of Stephen
11-12-1653: Simon
12-03-1654: John s. of Edward
11-12-1663: Stephen
24-08-1670: East
09-05-1671/2: Steven s. of Steven
25-11-1671/2: Nicholas s. of Steven
17-02-1671/2: Martha d. of Steven
12-06-1672: Elizabeth d. of Steven
07-12-1677: Charles
20-01-1680: James, yeoman
17-11-1684: Martha wife of George.
The next burial was not until 1710, the previous one to 1651 was 1641.
You'll have to work out the exact years re 1671/2, as I can't remember when the old year ended and the new one began then - wasn't it 25th March or so...?
Regards,
Keith
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Hi, Lady Di,
There were LOTS of MOULE's in the Whaddon transcript book (1599-1900), so starting with the baptisms:
16-06-1652: Stephen MOULLE son. of Stevanes and Anne
24-08-1724: Tho MOULE s. of Steven
11-03-1727: Lettice MOULE d. of Joseph and Mary
11-01-1728: Laetitia MOULE d. of Joseph
01-02-1730: Robert MOULE s. of Stephen
29-12-1734: Eliz MOULE d. of Stephen and Eliz
05-12-1749: Susanna MOULE d. of Joseph and Mary (b. 30-11-1749)
Sorry, stopping for supper...Be back soon!
Keith
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Di,
I'll just finish off the rest of those MOULE baptisms now:
17-12-1750: Joseph MOULE s. of Joseph and Mary (b. 21-11-1750)
20-02-1753: Mary MOULE d. of Joseph and Mary
02-03-1758: Stephen MOULD (BT: MOULE) s. of Joseph and Mary
22-09-1761: Sarah MOULD (BT: MOULE) d. of Joseph and Mary. A gap, then:
25-12-1809: Stephana Ann MOULE d. of Robert and Mary late COLE (b. 26-11-1809)
28-07-1811: Catharine MOULE d. of Robert and Mary late COLE (b. 22-07-1811)
and on 07-08-1817 a five-fold baptism for Robert and Mary MOULE's children, starting with Catherine again (b. 22-07-1811); Rebecca, (b. 28-10-1812); Sally (b. 01-07-1814); Fanny (b. 05-08-1815); Adams Cole (b. 25-10-1816) (in margin Jessie). Then another gap, before:
28-06-1837: Emily MOULE d. of Robert, farmer, and Mary late COLE
and Stephen MOULE s. of Robert, farmer and Mary.
If this was the same family, I wonder how old Emily and Stephen actually were when baptised...Then:
09-08-1857: Robert Cole MOULE s. of Adams Cole MOULE, yeoman and Hannah otp
21-01-1862: Adams Edward MOULE so. of Adams Cole MOULE and Hannah.
Will be back with the MOULE marriages a little later...
Keith
p.s strange about Catherine getting baptised twice. I might ask on The Common Room how frequent a happening this might have been.
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Di, Time for those Whaddon MOULE marriages now:
16-09-1710: Joseph MOULE and Martha LUCAS by licence
28-10-1750: Lettice MOULE and Richard GIFFIN botp
31-10-1752: Ann MOULE and Thomas FAIRCHILD botp
20-11-1798: Richard MOULE (signs MOUL) of Arrington and Ann JACKLIN otp. Witnesses: Barnard Preston and Simeon Leet (probably not family as appeared on nearly all marriages as witness at this time)
25-11-1805: Robert MOULE bac. otp and Mary COLE spin. of Bassingbourn by licence. Witnesses: Stephana Ann Cole and Chas Cole
13-03-1838: Stephana Ann COLE spin. otp d. of Robert, farmer, by licence and Thomas MEDCALF bac., grocer, of Buntingford son of Benjamin, chemist. Witnesses: Mary Medcalf and Jessie (?) Marie Moule
26-06-1856: Lucy MOULE of full age spin. otp d. of Adams deceased and Mynot TITCHMARSH of full age bac., miller, of Meldreth, s. of Mynot, yeoman. Witnesses: Adams Cole Moule and Emily Moule.
10-11-1874: Susan MOULE full age, widow otp d. of William Jacklin lab. and John SMITH full age bac. lab. of Wimpole, s. of John, lab. Witnesses: William Jacklin and Martha Smith.
I'll PM you later with the MOULE burials, and also the (very few) ADAM/S entries in Whaddon...
Very best wishes,
Keith
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Dear Keith,
OH - how tremendous. Thank you so very much.
I hadn't realised that there would be so many records and truly appreciate the time and effort it must have taken.
I keep reading them and saying - Oh there's Mary... and there's Robert...oh and Lucy married.....
That lot will keep me busy (and out of mischief) for a while
Thank you
Di
:-* :-* :-*
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Isn't that Keith a little wonder? Where would be without him??
Marlene Way Down Under!
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Hello Di,
It's my little form of escapism for the odd hour or so from time to time. I bet there are some wills for that Moule family of yours, with the occasional yeoman or farmer amongst them - have you checked anywhere, or perhaps you've already got copies of some...?
And Marlene, I still haven't worked out what a "stoush" is, even though I've read your recent post several times...
Bedfordshire Boy is quiet at the moment as he's apparently in Bedfordshire...
Keith
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Hello again, Di,
Probably making a nuisance of myself, but just had a look at The National Archives site, and there are at least 6 MOULE wills that you can download (all in the area of Whaddon, Saffron Walden and Royston) starting with Stephen MOULE, yeoman on 02-06-1672 and one as late as 1840.
But I expect you've already got these...
Keith
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Sorry Keith
might be colloquial Kiwi for a rowdy debate, fight, knukcledusting...
Delighted to hear the Beds Boy is back on home ground! LUCKY fellow. ;D
Marlene
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I still haven't worked out what a "stoush" is ...
LOL!
A good down-under word that has been around for so long, it's standard Newzild:
Example (http://www.smh.com.au/news/World/Greenpeace-in-high-seas-stoush-with-fishing-trawler/2005/06/07/1118123834138.html)
Example (http://www.smh.com.au/news/Cricket/Stoush-with-guard-lifts-McGrath-for-final-assault/2005/02/19/1108709487190.html)
Example (http://www.bilaterals.org/article.php3?id_article=737)
Etymology (http://www.anu.edu.au/andc/res/aehist/wwi/S.php) (scroll way down)
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Hi Keith,
Firstly - you are CERTAINLY NOT making a nuisance of yourself. Every little bit helps - thank you.
Onto the Wills - I haven't even looked at them. Thanks for checking the Nat Archives for them. Looks like I may need to start buying some of those. I have spent so much time on my Medcalf family (in Herts) that I haven't touched this family very much.
Oh - it's so nice to have at least one line to follow - all others are at a full stop/brick wall/going nowhere - you get the picture. :(
I will be back soon to follow up on my Mary Cole Born Bassingborne c. 1781 (just in case you happen to see the record in passing ;D)
Off to the Yellow Brick Road - Nat Archives - here I come ;D
Regards
Di
Remember - ANYTHING, ANYWHERE, ANYTIME re the Moule Family- is ALWAYS WELCOME :-*
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Di,
I'll certainly look up Mary COLE in Bassingbourn next week...
Those MOULE will references at TNA were:
Stephen MOULE yeoman of Whaddon 02-06-1672 PROB 11/339
Stephen MOULE gentleman of Saffron Walden, Essex 02-01-1838 PROB 11/1889
Elizabeth MOULE of Gamlingay 20-07-1811 (not sure she's one of yours)
Mary MOULE spinster of Royston 15-07-1826 PROB 11/1714
Elizabeth MOULE spinster of Royston 18-07-1823 PROB 11/1673
William MOULE maltster of Royston 01-10-1840 PROB 11/1935
Last time I downloaded they were £3-50, but perhaps the charge has gone up. I've also found women's wills usually more detailed than men's, as individual items tend to get listed - but maybe I'm wrong about this impression...
Keith
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Hi Keith
When you're next in the RO perhaps you could have a look for this gentleman please? All I have is this marriage in Wrestlingworth, Beds
7/4/1805 Wm Carver(Bassingbourn Cambs) to Eliz Bird
I'm desperately trying to link him to my Wrestlingworth Carvers but so far can't find him anywhere - here's hoping he was baptised in Bassingbourn circa 1785.
Thanks in anticipation
Jan ;)
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Hi Keith,
I haven't even had time to check the IGI re Mary Cole yet so I'll get back to you with better information if it's available.
I like the sound of the Will of Stephen Moule of Whaddon. Even though it's an early date, it may help fill in the picture.
This is exciting - I haven't been that far back (with proof) on many lines - yippee - this is a MAJOR BONUS.
Thanks
Di
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Janan,
I'll have a look for William CARVER in the Bassingbourn baptisms next week - wouldn't it be a remarkable coincidence if I found him on the same page as Mary COLE (for Lady Di...)!
Keith
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Thanks Keith :D It certainly would be a coincidence and it would save your eyes from a bit of squinting.
Cheers Jan ;)
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Hello Keith..
Would it be possible to add another look-up for your Bassingbourn lookups?
I have Edward Trustrum c 7 july 1734 Bassingbourn f Edward
m Ann ??
& Edward Trustrum c 26 April 1702 Bassingbourn f Edward ( again!!)
m Katherine ????
Can you see any of the marriages as I would like to check on the mothers maiden names?
Please let me know if this is possible.
Thanks
Tazzie :)
p.s IGI has children for edward & Katherine from 1694-1702
Edward & Ann from 1732-1743
might break the years down for looking..
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Hi Keith,
I have been looking at the IGI for any info re my Mary Cole (born Bassingbourn c. 1780/1). I don't believe that she is on the IGI ???
The reason I think this is because (as the witnesses at her wedding) she has a sister Stephena Ann Cole and a brother Charles Cole. Neither of these show in Bassingbourn (or anywhere together with same parents)
Obviously these two may be her parents ??? but I dont think so as there is a Stephana Ann Cole married in London c. 1803.
I know IGI doesn't have everything and I apologise if I have just confused the issue.
As you said - trying to make sense of this lot is a bit of a challenge.
Regards
Di
PS - Just to make matter a little more confusing, there is a LDS entry on the IGI for Joseph Moule marr. Mary Ratford 16-01-1748 BASSINGBOURN. This couple had 6 children Baptised at Whaddon ;D
So it looks like you may see a few Moule Family members in Bassingbourn as well a few Cole family members.
Oh - I just know you are wishing that you hadn't offerred to do Look-ups by now ;D
Have fun with the Bassingbourn records ::) :P
Regards
Di
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Di,
The Stephana Ann COLE born on 26-11-1809 in Whaddon and baptised there on Christmas day 1809 is surely the same individual who marries a Thomas MEDCALF in Whaddon on 13-03-1838, from those entries I found for you yesterday...?
The IGI is a very patchy reference, as some parishes were not touched at all - should be used as a starting point only.
But talking of all one's eggs in one basket...(see my recent thread started on The Lighter Side re expressions and cliches!)...
Yes, Tazzie I'll look up those details in Bassingbourn for your family, even earlier in the 18th C. That book of transcripts is going to get quite worn out...
Keith
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Hello Keith,
query for you... (while at office on here when should be working :o)
does the record office have parish records?
I am looking for a couple of bods but all born pre 1837...
thanks
Mo
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Keith Many many thanks
:) :) :)
Tazzie
p.s.
sometimes it is Trustrum or Tristrum.
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Kia Ora Keith it's that Nuisance from Down Under AGAIN!
I am seeking the marriage of GEORGE FAIREY & Sarah Unknown (perhaps Baker?) early 1860s in Gt Catworth and the Baptisms of their children viz:
George c. 1864
Tom Baker c.1866
Jabez James Sept Qtr 1867
Charles born July 1870
Florence Mary June Qtr 1872
Lot Horace Dec Qtr 1874
Ernest Jesse June Qtr 1876
Sarah L June Qtr 1878
James J Nov 1880
Priscilla Mar Qtr 1883
Lucy Minnie Sept Qtr 1885
Dora June Qtr 1888
All born Gt Catworth. Dates are from birth registrations or Censii.
SO... if you can bear it my friend I'd be so grateful to get Baptism dates for some more of my Fair(e)ys at the bottom of the garden!
A very grateful KIWI. ;)
Marlene
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Di,
The Stephana Ann COLE born on 26-11-1809 in Whaddon and baptised there on Christmas day 1809 is surely the same individual who marries a Thomas MEDCALF in Whaddon on 13-03-1838, from those entries I found for you yesterday...?
Keith
Keith,
Well, urr umm - you are correct - almost....
Stephana Ann ...... did marry Thomas Medcalf.
(They are my GGG grandparents ;D )
BUT I believe that her surname was MOULE ???
- daughter of Robert and Mary of Whaddon.
sorry
Di
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Hi, Moscan (Mo)
Hope you're not going to get fired on the spot for looking up illicit websites at work!...but can you give me some details of names and dates for the people you're wanting info. on?
Best wishes,
Keith
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Sorry, Di,
I'm tying myself in knots here! Of course Stephana Ann was a MOULE, slip of the keyboard/my brain. I'll try and sort out things by giving 18thC Bassingbourn a good going over next week, searching for COLE's and possibly MOULE's there...
Keith
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Marlene,
FAIRY's at the bottom of the garden time is it again? Actually, I'm rushed off my feet at the moment....only joking!
They're already in my red notebook to be looked up next week as well - no Bank Holiday to truncate the week. (The green one is completely full now...)
Keith
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Keith, I really don't know how you keep track of it all. :-\
[Steph and Thomas Medcalf travelled to OZ in 1854 (shipwrecked on the way in the middle of the Indian Ocean :o ) They lost everything except their lives. They certainly had an eventful journey.]
Thanks for all your help
:-*
Di
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Di,
How exciting! Were they actually swept up by the sea on some unfriendly shore, or did another boat rescue them...?
Keith
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will have to wait until I get home... will IM you later... as you say don't want to get the chop... no seriously all my brick walls are on my home computer...
thanks
mo
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Hi Keith,
Swept up onto an unfriendly shoreline of an uninhabited island. They were rescued a few days later after almost no food/clothing/water and walking many miles - and all this with 7 children under 13 - not my idea of fun.
We have a copy of a letter Thomas wrote in the form of a diary detailing the whole thing. 8)
A bit of excitement in the family history ;D
Di
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Hi Keith,
I am looking for a marriage of a Thomas Freear to Rebecca (surname unknown)
they had a few children I know about Charles, Henry, Robert and Ann... any info on this lot would be wonderful.
in fact any info on "Freears" would be wonderful....
I have info on the family of Thomas Freear 1764 - 1847 and Elizabeth Ward, c 1763 - 1820 well their Baptisms in March anyway and a few burials but any help you could provide would be gratefully received
Thanks again
Mo
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Hi, Mo,
Hopefully will have a look in March for the FREEAR's (the place, not the month - next week beginning 8th May!)
Keith
p.s. Off to poke around in Felbrigg, Norfolk, today...
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Hi Keith
Many thanks for the Apthorpe look ups last week. I'm with descendants in cold and miserable Derby at present, (although Fri and Sat a.m. were hot), returning home from East Midlands at a ridiculously early hour in the morning.
Thanks again
David
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Hi, David,
Yes, just as miserable a bit further east at Newmarket, on the Heath for the 1000 Guineas. The driving drizzle drove us home before they'd even run the Classic, and we watched it on T.V. Roll on the summer...
Keith
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Thanks Keith, no major rush... they have been hidden for an awful long time, lol.... any help you provide will be gratefully received...
Thanks again
Mo
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If you have time, I would be absolutely over the moon if you could lookup these births for me:
John Dennis (or Denis) birth abt 1725 in Cambridgeshire. Were his parents Thomas and Sarah (Hazell) Dennis?
Thomas Dennis (or Denis) christened 25 Mar 1753, were his parents John Dennis and Sarah (Succoman) Dennis?
William Dennis christened 22 Aug 1852--his mother was Rachel Dennis, daughter of Thomas and Mary (Grimditch) Dennis of Littleport--is there ANY information on his father?
Finally, one marriage lookup...*ducking*
John Dennis and Sarah Succoman, married 14 Feb 1747 in St. Georges, Littleport. Is there anything referring to her father or mother?
Thank you thank you thank you!!!!
Norah E. Dennis
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Norah,
Were those first two births, the 1725 and 1753 DENNIS ones, in Littleport as well? I'm also not sure what you mean by the word:*ducking*...
Keith
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Hi Keith!
I'm sorry for the silliness...I was just "ducking" to avoid any cyber-punches you'd throw me for giving you such a long list! ;D
The birth in 1725 should be in Soham, Cambridgeshire for John Dennis...and I'm very sure that the 1753 birth for Thomas Dennis was in Littleport, since his parents, John & Sarah (Succoman) Dennis were married in Littleport at St. Georges.
Thank you so much once again, if you ever find yourself needing any lookups in Washington State or any of the US census records, let me know, and I'd be happy to reciprocate!
Best regards and many many thanks,
Norah
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Right, Norah,
I'll do my level best...hopefully, some time this week. Have just been reading a book about the witch hunts in East Anglia in the 17thC, and "duckings" were a common barbaric feature, so I was a little bit pre-occupied by gruesome images of that. However, I sure I won't turn up any witchy goings-on in Soham or Littleport...but you never know...!
Keith
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Hi Keith,
We must have the same mindset going! I'm in the middle of a fascinating read on the Salem Witch Trials of 1692 in Massachusetts! Scary stuff...
Thanks so much for this awesome favor!
Regards,
Norah
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Don't hold your breath, those that have asked for look-ups this week, but I'm hoping to get to the CCRO tomorrow morning, 12th May...
Keith
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Do you mean to say you're still reading that hefty tome about witches & hobgoblins instead of my Fairys???
Shame on you!
The Kia Ora kid!
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Thanks Keith,
Please don't rush on my account - the ancestors aren't going anywhere and I'm sure you have other priorities in your life.
Many thanks
Di
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No problem Keith....
It taken years to get this far days are nothing anymore.....
Cheers
Tazzie :)
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Hi Keith,
On your next visit to the CCRO would you be so kind to look for the baptism of John Wilmot born c1780's, St Edward? He married Mary Cowell 30 July 1804 Haslingfield.
Also, there is a marriage St Edward 7 Jun 1789 between Ann Miller otp and John Wilmot, where was he from?
Thank you for any help.
Enrique
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Enrique,
Missed the boat by a couple of hours! I'd set out before your post came, but I'll put it in my book to look up - possibly next week.
Very best wishes,
keith...n.b. Is St Edward in Cambridge itself?
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Lady Di,
Looked at Bassingbourn today, and there was a baptism on 24-10-1779:
Mary COLE daughter of Stephen and Mary.
The previous baptism for COLE in Bassingbourn was in 1571, so this was an isolated one.
Keith
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Janan,
There were simply no CARVER's in the Bassingbourn registers at all, the nearest entry (phonetically) was a William CARTER, son of David and Sarah, baptised 06-07-1783. Previous baptism for David and Sarah CARTER as parents was a Dorinda CARTER: bapt: 23-01-1780
Probably barking up the wrong tree, though...
Keith
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Tazzie,
Again in Bassingbourn (1558-1851), there was no sign of that hoped-for 1702 TRUSTRUM marriage, with earliest one in 1725; however, there was on 07-10-1731: a marriage between Edward TRUSTRUM and Ann KAYE.
The only 1694-1702 baptism was:
26-04-1702: Edward TRUSTRUM son of Edward and Kathrine.
The other baptisms there were:
06-08-1732: Ann TRUSTRUM daughter of Edward and Ann
07-07-1734: Edward TRUSTRUM son of Edward jun. and Ann
30-01-1736: Sarah d. of Edward and Ann
17-06-1739: Katherine d. of Edward and Ann
20-02-1743: John s. of Edward and Ann
Keith
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and Marlene (Dale),
No FAIREY delights this visit, as all the Great Catworth records from 1864 and beyond are at the Hunts Record Office, no idea why they should be there...
Sorry,
Keith
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Moscan,
Your FREEAR's in March were a problematical bunch, but this is what I found - hopefully there's something here that might help...
a marriage on 17-10-1815: Thomas FREEAR bac. to Eleanor HIAM sp. botp.
Witnesses: Mary Brown and Thomas FREEAR
Marriage on 19-08-1817: William FREEAR bac. to Mary PERKINS sp. botp.
Witnesses: Thomas FREEAR and Sarah Moore.
and now these baptisms that were listed under the family name GREEN:
09-05-1815: James GREEN son of James and Rebecca late FREEAR sp.
23-09-1816: Mary Ann GREEN daughter of James and Rebecca late FREEAR sp.
Also to these same parents: 23-12-1817: Sarah; 12-04-1820: Henry;
19-06-1823: Hannah
Finally, a burial on 27-03-1829: Ann HURST widow of William late FREEAR of Upwell 75.
A bit mystifying, and not hanging together particularly well - maybe it makes more sense to you...
Keith
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and finally, Norah Ellyn,
There were no DENNIS/DENIS/DENNY baptisms in Soham between 1686 and 1793...
In Littleport, a marriage on 14-02-1747 between John DENIS and Sarah SUCCOMAN, but just prior to that a baptism on 13-04-1746:James SUCCAMORE (sic) baseborn son of Sarah.
Then baptisms to the happily married couple:
21-08-1748: William DENNY (sic) son of John and Sarah
08-01-1750: John DENNIS s. of John and Sarah
25-03-1754: Thomas DENNIS s. of John and Sarah
08-06-1755: Robert DENNIS s. of John and Sarah
Hope it makes some kind of sense,
Keith
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You are a genealogy ANGEL...yes, that does help SO much and makes absolutely perfect sense. Thank you a million times over!
:D
Norah
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Thank you so much Keith, I always knew this lot would be trouble... There was a Thomas Freear born c 1790 son of Thomas Freear and Elizabeth Ward who Bedfordshire lad found for me...
the Thomas you found marrying Eleanor could be him... he did have sister Rebecca who also you may have found... and a brother William... so maybe you have found me a whole bag full of winners...
I am ever optimistic and eternally grateful for all your hard work.
The next time I can escape from the office and home committments and can escape over to your neck of the woods, dinner is on me...
Thanks again
Mo
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Norah,
Good!..I'll give those wings a little celebratory flutter then.
Keith
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Mo,
That's a nice prospect!- hope the Irish Sea isn't too choppy. Such an unusual surname, too, FREEAR - what is its origin exactly?
Keith
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Keith.....
Thank you thank you.. ;D ;D
You have found me more Trustrums to work on and the Ann KAYE in 1731 could be a real help.I.G.I has name as Kye..so many Edwards in there I know!!
Thanks for the baptisms .I can follow those to add to tree.
KEEP UP THE GOOD WORK ;)
Many thanks again.
Tazzie
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Thank you Keith, no rush.
I believe St Edward is in Cambridge itself.
Enrique
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Good that it's been a help, Tazzie,
and will delve into St Edward's Cambridge next week, Enrique...
Keith
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Thanks everso for looking Keith. I guess the William Carter could be him and the Wrestlingworth marriage is wrong or William Carver was only "of Bassingbourn" when he married. Ah well I'll probably never know if he links to my Carvers other than through his liking for the Birds.
Jan ;)
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Janan,
These days there's a big army barracks in Bassingbourn, and I expect if any of the men or women get married while there they'd be "of Bassingbourn", even though they might come from somewhere else in the country.
But I imagine your CARVER family probably came from another village nearby - will keep my eyes peeled for them. I think it would have been unlikely that CARTER would have been confused with CARVER, even in the 1780's...but I might be wrong.
Keith
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Hi Keith,
Many thanks for confirming the Mary Cole baptism in Bassingbourn. I am so pleased (for you) that there weren't load of them as this family is like researching the Smith name.
I have just found the BEST document at the Nat Archives called Death Duty Register. They didn't have the will for my Adams Moule but they had the death duties payable.
For anyone who has an opportunity to obtain this info - it actually listed all the children, brothers, sisters, in-law names and who received what from the estate (and it is easy to read!! ;D). It would rather depend on the contents of the original Will but this has been a major breakthrough for me - so keep searching - you just never know what is available.
Thanks again Keith
Di
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Through your efforts and a "cousin's" tree.. the James Green is married to one of mine.. Rebecca was the sister to my G G G Grandfather so again thanks you filled in a whole line... such a shame I cannot get that dinner for you immediately ;D
Thanks again Keith
Mo
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Kia Ora Keith
I hope you're fast asleep right now, but just wanted to say a huge thank you for looking for my Faireys, even if once again (through no fault of their own this time!) they have uprooted themselves! :D
It's always useful to know just where the Records are held and I guess the sharing of Hunts/Cambs stuff has something to do with the changes of boundaries! ???
I doubt I'll find anyone as wonderfu as you have been and thank you most sincerely for all the help you have given me over past months. It has been most appreciated. ;D
Regards
Marlene
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Di (Lady Di),
I nearly had a look through those Death Duty Registers when I was at Kew a few years ago, but was put off by having to wade through miles of microfilm - they weren't very well indexed then. But does this mean that they are on-line and downloadable...?
And who is that wonderful picture of a lady (grandmother?) and child on your profile?
Keith
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Mo,
The index is a wonderful invention, and fortunately in most transcriptions they include the names of witnesses and any maiden names if mentioned. Otherwise I doubt I would have come across that GREEN/FREEAR connection for you.
Will they be laying a place for Tigger at the celebratory table...!
Keith
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You can now search the death duty registers INDEX at 1837online, but it costs. I think they go up to 1903 but I can't remember when they start - mid19thC somewhere. This is quite a recent offering. It would make it much faster, presumably, to find the relevant death duty register entry.
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The Death Duty Registers are available to search as part of the National Archives Documents online - like wills they cost £3.50 to download. This link shows what is covered so far
http://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/documentsonline/death-duty.asp
Jan ;)
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Loo and Janan,
Thanks very much for that - think I'll have a little browse around on there now...
Keith
p.s. They had my 4-times-great-grandfather's 1806 Death Duty Register in the 1796-1811 era, which was fun!
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Hi Keith
Have I missed the boat - or will it be sailing forth again?
I need a look up in parish registers - St Sepulchre, Cambridge in 1816.
I have a John and Sarah Brad(d) being served with a removal order from St Sepulchre to Bishop's Stortford in 1816.
This order is suspended on 28.6.1816 as Sarah is heavily pregnant.
On 30.7.1816 the suspension is superceded - presumably she has had/lost the child and is now fit to travel.
If you would look up Brad(d) baptisms and/or burials for me in July any information would be very much appreciated - and might help me find out what attraction Cambridge held for them (they were removed from All Saints, Cambridge only the year before......). Was wondering whether this is Sarah's home town.
Sorry I seem to have rambled - this couple seem to have wanderlust - they're in the Isle of Wight by 1822 ::) and then in Hertfordshire by 1841 ???
Thanks
Helen
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Hi, Helen,
No, you haven't missed the boat at all, this is a bit of a regular shuttle service, and my next visit will be next week now - though the Cambridge Beer Festival might get in the way a bit. But I'm sure I'll be able to focus on those BRAD(D)'s in Cambridge for you...
Very best wishes,
Keith
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Hi Keith
Thanks for that - I'll keep my fingers crossed.
Helen ;)
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Di (Lady Di),
I nearly had a look through those Death Duty Registers when I was at Kew a few years ago, but was put off by having to wade through miles of microfilm - they weren't very well indexed then. But does this mean that they are on-line and downloadable...?
And who is that wonderful picture of a lady (grandmother?) and child on your profile?
Keith
Hi Keith,
Sorry - I missed the message. I'm pleased to see that you found something useful on the death duty registers as well.
The lady on my profile (at left) is my great grandmother and her mother in Scotland c. 1849 - lovely old photo ;D
As I'm here - thought I may just take advantage AGAIN of your shuttle service ;D (allowing for the Cambs Beer festival of course ::) )
I have the following:
Adams MOULE married Mary LIVETT 3 July 1755 Willingham by St Ives Cambs.
Would you pls see if there is any further info re. the marriage records ie witnesses, otp, of other parish names etc.
I don't think either were born/Bp at that parish - IGI has no record that I can see for either in the town. So if you happen to find either name - would appreciate any information ;D
Thank you so much - really appreciate all your assistance :-*
Regards
Di
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Di,
Will hopefully look that one up next week (haven't managed a visit this week, eawz and hlbradd - sounds like some lind of cipher I'm using here - but will do your look-ups at the same time!).
And yes, that photo of yours must be just about one of the earliest photos ever developed, certainly I have rarely seen anything printed for the year 1849. They must have posed extremely still for a long time...
Keith
n.b. The Beer Festival was good, but the constant rain is turning the grassy bits into a quagmire.
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And yes, that photo of yours must be just about one of the earliest photos ever developed, certainly I have rarely seen anything printed for the year 1849. They must have posed extremely still for a long time...
Thanks for the lookup whenever time permits
I had to go and check my photo as I have never questioned the approx date. As I have only one female ancestor from Scotland and this one is signed "A Portrait by J T Pithie Aberdeen" - (young girl born 3 Mar 1847 - guess she was abt 2 -4 in the photo).
I hope I'm not wrong :(
Cheers
Di
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Di,
There's a lot of very knowledgeable people on Rootschat re old photographs. Perhaps you ought to start a thread and see what the consensus of opinion is about the approximate date of that wonderful photo!
Keith
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Keith,
My thoughts exactly - hope they don't tell me something I don't want to hear :o
Thanks (I think!)
Di
;D
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Hi
I agree it's a great photo. You could also check the years the photographer was in business through Directories or an Aberdeen Museum or someone who knew his work?? Try "googling' his name.
Trouble with genealogy is that you keep going off on tangents to prove a point!!!
I have an 1870s photo of a Brummie man in military uniform with the photographer's details from Norwich. I am hoping one day that will lead me to his Regiment, before he departed England's shores to die in India(???? )
Yep Keith - another Fairy!
Have fun!
Marlene
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Hi Marlene,
I have just posted a copy to the Photo Restoration area - hoping that it is c. 1850 - now I just keep fingers crossed (or be rather disappointed :'( )
Good Luck with your Brummie - I'm sure something will come to light when you least expect it.
Di
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Well I've been searching for James for 11 years and nary a sign except the photo! Without a Regiment it's very difficult from afar. And not a clue left by great grandparents!
I do hope yours is not disappointing! I have one of a little girl with her uncle and I pinpointed her age at around 4/5 seems from other info I now have she might actually have been 7/8 - these photos are very deceptive. Not to mention frustrating!
Best of British!
Marlene
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Hi Marlene et al,
It looks like I am (going to be) disappointed about the age of my photo but that's life :-\
Keith - All is forgiven ;D - are you still talking to me? :-[
There endeth the subject of my photo :(
Thanks
Di
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What was the answer? Don't leave us in suspenders!
Cheers
Marlene
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Di and Marlene,
I don't think anybody knew exactly how old that photo was - they just suggested it might have been taken a bit later than imagined. And course I'm not in any way upset, Di, I'd have thought YOU would have been the one a little miffed to discover that the snap might not be 1849 or so!
But if indeed it was taken some time later, who do you think the two people are...?
Keith
p.s. Hoping to get to the CCRO on Thursday this week, by the way, if there are any more requests apart from my 3 pending.
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Hi Marlene - you can follow it at this link:
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,158940.0.html
;D
But if indeed it was taken some time later, who do you think the two people are...?
Keith
Keith - Don't even go there ;D
As I have only one ancestral family from that area and they left in abt 1870 - I have NO IDEA who they MAY be (but I'm still claiming them anyway ;D - don't like seeing lost souls ;) )
Now - back to the original topic - Cambs Look ups ;D
It sounds like you may be bored on Thursday so I'm off to see who else I can add on to your list - idle hands and all that......
Di
;D
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Hi
Fascinating stuff - would this site help you ?
http://www.cartes.freeuk.com/time/date.htm
Cheers
Marlene
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Hi again, Helen (hlbradd),
Had a look this morning in the original registers for Cambridge St. Sepulchre, first of all in the baptisms 1812-1868, but there was no sign of any BRADD entries; then I looked in the burials, 1812-1866, and there was just the one sad entry: 26th April 1815, Joseph BRAD (sic), aged 7 months. Abode St Sepulchre.
Couldn't find any other documents in the parish chest that might have given any more clues about why and when John and Sarah might have left this parish...
Keith
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Lady Di,
I looked up that MOULE marriage in the Willingham registers this morning too:
03-07-1755: Adams MOULE of Whaddon, yeoman, to Mary LIVETT spinster otp. by licence. Witnesses: Mary Bright and Wm Adams.
That's all there was...
Keith
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And hi again Enrique (eawz),
You've waited patiently, but today I managed to find a great deal of information about your WILMOT/WILLMOTT/WILLIMOTT/WILLIMOT etc. family in the parish of St. Edwards, Cambridge. It was nice to see places cropping up that are familiar to me today as a resident myself in Cambridge for the last 30+ years - Covent Garden, off Mill Rd (there's a nice pub in the street!) and Corn Exchange (went with my daughter recently to watch a Rooster concert there...) to name but two...
Will begin to put your info. on here bit by bit, after I've had a little lunch break...
Regards,
keith
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Lady Di,
I looked up that MOULE marriage in the Willingham registers this morning too:
03-07-1755: Adams MOULE of Whaddon, yeoman, to Mary LIVETT spinster otp. by licence. Witnesses: Mary Bright and Wm Adams.
That's all there was...
Keith
Thank you very much Keith.
Would you have noticed if the Mary Bright/Wm Adams were repeat witnesses (ie on other marriages) or specifically just this one? I've been trying to find an Adams connection and this just might be it ;D
Wooppee! - off to find Mary Livett's parents ;)
Thank you - I appreciate the time and effort you go to, to help us all go backwards ::)
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Di,
Afraid I didn't notice whether those 2 witnesses's names cropped up again. I usually check whether a name repeating itself as a witness (i.e. a parish clerk or some such dutifully roped in to witness a marriage) is irrelevant as a family connection to the bride and groom. This wasn't the case with these two, and so I reckon they were members or close friends of the MOULE/ADAMS family.
I could have looked up the LIVETT ancestry, if only you'd asked!
Keith
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Hi Keith,
Thanks for the positive info concerning the witnesses - I'll see if I can find anything (first) about William Adams (before pestering you AGAIN ;D)
I could have looked up the LIVETT ancestry, if only you'd asked!
Keith
Oh Darn it - why didn't I think of that :P
Actually, if I remember correctly - the last time I looked at the IGI there wasn't a Mary Livett born/bp at Willingham but I need to look at a map and see what is the closest - BUT if you happen to be passing and are bored ;D I certainly wouldn't say no to a bit of assistance :-* :-* :-*
You are the best
Thanks
Di
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Di,
LIVETT's of Willingham are already in my red notebook for a look next visit...
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Thank you,
Oh - what would I ever do without you :-*
xx
PS - You were right - the photo wasn't mine :'(
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Now, Enrique, where was I?
Before I get going, I should say that for some reason the WILMOT's were indexed in three separate places, so please excuse me if I omit details at first, then come back to them. This lot should take some sorting out, by the way!
That marriage, first of all: 07-06-1789: John WILMOT to Ann MILLER (BT botp) Witnesses: Joseph Wilmot and Mary Smith (x)
Baptisms: 05-04-1790: Samuel Squier WILMENT (or WILLIMOTT (BT WILMOTS)) son of John and Ann. (Entered twice, as were all the entries for 1790/91 - perhaps the vicar was hitting the Communion wine too often).
26-05-1793: Mariam WILLMOTT daughter of John and Ann
At about the same time, there were a series of WILLIMOT baptisms for a John and Mary, but no marriage entry here:
29-05-1792: John Sennitt WILLIMOTT son of John and Mary
02-01-1794: Marianne WILLIMOT d. of John and Mary
01-10-1795: Thomas WILMOT s. of John (altered from George) and Mary
22-08-1797: William WILLMOT s. of John and Mary.
17-12-1799: Charlotte WILMOT d. of John (no mother given)
Then a triple baptism on 18-07-1805: Henry WILMOTT born 15-12-1801
Charles WILMOTT born 07-03-1803; and Martha WILMOTT born 13-06-1805
all children of John and Mary.
There was also a Banns on 24-05-1789 for R? John WILMOT and Ann MILLER botp, which I forgot to mention.
Also a burial, presumably for John and Mary's child:
27-06-1809: Henry WILMOTT aged 7
Got to go again, be back soon,
Keith
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Enrique,
The WILMOT's of St Edwards Cambridge, part 2...
The earliest entries were as follows:
Burial: Ann WILLMOTT 19-08-1702
Burial: Joseph WILLMOTT 10-09-1706
Marriage: 11-10-1703: Joseph WILLMOTT and Jane GODDARD
Marriage: 05-06-1705: George COLLIN of Bowm (no idea where this is supposed to be) and Hannah WILLMOT of Wimple (I'd guess Wimpole).
There's a series of tragic baptisms followed by swift burials, with one apparently surviving child between 1728 and 1734: (But no obvious marriage prior to 1728)
23-03-1728: Thomas WILLMOTT son of Joseph and Elizabeth
09-02-1729: Joseph WILLMOTT; buried 13-02-1729
31-01-1730: Joseph WILLMOTT; buried 07-02-1730
19-12-1731: Joseph WILLMOTT; buried 28-12-1731
03-12-1732: Twins Joseph and John WILLMOTT; buried 07-12-1732
16-12-1733: Elizabeth WILLMOTT; buried 27-12-1733
18-03-1734: Joseph WILLMOTT; buried 23-03-1734
Five goes at a Joseph, and no luch at all!
Just realised that I've missed out a final baptism for John and Mary WILLIMOTT:
03-05-1807: Ann Elizabeth WILLIMOTT d. of John and Mary.
Time for a cup of tea (or something stronger) and then I'll give you a 1756 marriage, with children born; and more burials - I'm sure some of it will fit together! There's even a grave register, telling you how far down your ancestors were laid, if you'd like that....
Keith
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WILLMOTT's of Cambridge, part 3...
There's a very interesting marriage on 31-07-1756:
Between John WILLIMOTT of the parish of St Bartholemew the Great, City of London, hair merchant, bachelor and Elizabeth SENNITT spinster (BT otp) by licence. Witnesses Jude Thory and Mary Pedley. There seem to be only 2 children baptised to this couple, plus some some WILLMOTT baptisms to other couples:
15-09-1763: John WILLIMOTT son of John and Elizabeth
02-04-1766: Thomas WILLIMOTT son of John and Elizabeth
21-01-1760: Benton Luke WILLMOT son of Thomas and Sarah
16-12-1770: John WILLIMOTT son of William and Elizabeth
01-03-1772: Elizabeth WILLIMOT d. of William and Elizabeth.
There's a burial of a John WILLIMOT infant on 03-01-1772, which could indicate that the John born to William and Elizabeth died early, whereas the John born to John and Elizabeth in 1763 perhaps survived into adulthood and was indeed the individual who married Ann MILLER in 1789...
Here now are some of the burials, in no particular order because of the strange index. The ages given at death from 1820 or so onwards should be a big help in identifying who they were. I think I've worked out a few myself already!
14-09-1820: Samuel WILLMOT of Red Lion Yard Bridge St Clements Passage aged 30
28-09-1838: Mary WILLIMOTT of Union Street aged 71
14-09-1843: John WILLMOTT of Corn Exchange St. aged 77
12-03-1852: Ann WILLMOTT of Corn Exchange aged 84
25-03-1852: Thomas WILLIMOTT of Market Hill aged 24
16-03-1855: John WILLIMOTT of Addenbroke Place aged 91 (in margin: in the churchyard, a communication was made previously to the burial with the Home Office)
(Anything we ought to know about this, Enrique?)
16-11-1860: William WILLIMOTT of St Andrews Hill aged 27
07-02-1862: Catherine WILLIMOTT of Barton Rd., Grantchester Parish aged 28
02-11-1863: Henry WILLIMOTT of Newnham aged 29
11-12-1863: Charles WILLIMOTT of Grantchester aged 60
30-08-1871: Charles WILMOTT of Silver Street aged 41
02-04-1877: Frederick WILLIMOTT of Covent Garden, Mill Road aged 35.
I'll take another break, then put the details from the Grave Register in a PM...
Keith
p.s. I've never found a hair merchant in my family, I'm getting quite jealous!
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Hi again, Helen Couldn't find any other documents in the parish chest that might have given any more clues about why and when John and Sarah might have left this parish...
Keith
Hi Keith
Thanks very much for looking - I would have had trouble getting to Cambridge Record Office in the foreseeable future. At least that crosses some searches off my list ;)
Much appreciated.
Helen
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Keith.... could I impose on you for another look up for me please..?
This time I am looking in Linton.
I have Richard CASBOLT b 14 March 1814 LINTON
c 11 April 1814 Independent Linton
Father John Casbolt mother Sarah ???? (who).
IGI has 3 marriages for a John Casbolt to a Sarah all around the same time can you help me narrow it down please?
There is John Casbolt m Sarah Ives 3 Dec 1792 Linton (extracted)
John Casbolt m Sarah Barrett 5 Dec 1797 Linton (submitted)
John Casbolt m Sarah ??? ???1810 Linton Independent
member recorded after 1991.
Is there anything in the records to give me a clue please..?
Thank you
Tazzie
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Tazzie,
A quick look in the Linton parish record transcripts should sort this little conundrum out, shouldn't it? Next week, hopefully!
Keith
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Thank you Keith.
:) :) :)
Tazzie
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Hi Keith
Iwonder if you could check this marriage entry for me please? I am hoping there will be parent details (although it is unlikely) as I have 2 candidates for both the bride and groom.
John BIRD married Susannah PINK in Great Eversden on 20 April 1786
Thanks
Jan ;)
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Janan,
Hoping to get to the CCRO later this week, so will have a look at Great Eversden then...
Keith
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Thanks Keith
Jan ;)
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Hi, Everyone,
Hoping to get to the CCRO tomorrow morning - Friday. Have about 4 look-ups for Rootschatters, plus I said I'd look up the KIDD family for a lovely old boy (in his 80's) who invited me - a total stranger - into his house in Gazeley in Suffolk on Tuesday when I was asking some questions about another Rootschatter's WATKINSON family in the village there.
He showed me a photo of his father on his 100th birthday, and I said I'd look up details of his grandfather's birth/baptism in Soham in the 1820's or so...
Keith
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Kia Ora Keith
What a wonder you are and what would we ever do without you.
What a wonderful story -it never fails to amaze at the longevity of our olds!
Was it their food, their environment or the fear of God that kept them going so long one wonders?
THAK you for bringing so much pleasure to all of us!
Regards
The Kia Ora Kid!
Marlene
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Marlene,
...and it's definitely Kia Ora (as in our long-standing joke on here about long, cool orange drinks)weather in Cambridge and the country as a whole at the moment. But a couple of hours in the dusty old CCRO won't hurt!
Keith
Off I go now, it's another beautiful morning...
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And our skifields open tomorrow - top to base covering!
Fondues & mulled wine await!
Marlene
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Marlene,
You're going to have to explain to me what a "skifield" is. And I bet there's a few people too polite to ask on here...
Have been to CCRO, by the way, but have to go out for a few hours now, so will post findings (or lack of them) later.
Keith
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Y'know... a skifield is on the side of a mountain upon which you stand on one foot, strap on a long piece of board on the soles of each of your feet, face down the slope, plant your ski poles, push off down an icy slope ....and pray!
Of course you will have already donned your thermals, padded jacket, woolly gloves, sox and hat and look 3x your normal weight!
At least that clothing provides provides some protection for various parts of the anatomy when the inevitable happens!
The air is clear though sometimes the language is "blue". No musty smells although sometimes a little sulphorous if the volcano is "brewing" for another eruption.
Hope that explains it!
Cheers
Marlene
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Marlene,
Here I am talking about unbroken sunshine, and you're talking about snow and ice...!
Anyway, did a bit of a look-up for someone else on Rootschat today and came across this family in the Spaldwick Baptist Church transcriptions.
Children baptised for parents William and Mary FAREY:
James: 24-12-1798
Sarah: 30-05-1801
Joseph: 04-11-1803
John: 09-02-1806
Hannah: 23-10-1807.
I don't suppose these are part of your vast FAIRY family I suppose...
Keith
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and now, Di,
Looked in the Willingham transcripts, and there were no LIVETT entries, apart from that 1755 marriage...
Sorry,
Keith
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Tazzie,
Had a look in the Linton Parish Transcripts, and as you probably know there are literally dozens and dozens of CASBOLT entries...
I saw those two marriages in 1792 and 1797 for a John and Sarah, but in the Linton Independent Registers book there were the following CASBOLT baptisms:
13-02-1811: Elizabeth d. of John and Sarah born 14-01-1811
11-04-1813: Richard s. of John and Sarah born 04-03-1813
23-07-1815: Susanna d. of William and Sarah born -1-06-1815
03-03-1816: Martha d. of John and Sarah born 06-02-1816
No indication of Richard's mother's maiden name, but perhaps if you know about the other 2 baptisms, I would guess they would be the same couple as parents. And the dates for Richard definitely state 1813, rather than 1814 as you suggested...
Keith
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Janan,
That marriage entry gives: April 26th (BT says 20th) 1786: John BIRD (x) and Susannah PINK (x). Witnesses: Elizabeth Wash and John Mulbey. (His name appears frequently, so he's probably a church warden or clerk)
Couldn't find any baptism details, for Susannah, and the other PINK entry in Great Eversden was another marriage:
16-01-1798: William FARREN (or) FARRIN to Elizabeth PINK (x).
Witnesses: Joseph PINK (x) and Mary PINK (x).
Just had a peep in Little Eversden (as is my wont), and there were lots of baptisms for the married pair Joseph and Mary PINK, including a multi- one (5 children) in 1813.
There were also these 2 burials, which you might find of use, if you haven't already got them:
28-2-1853: Joseph PINK aged 85
13-04-1861: Mary PINK aged 84.
Obviously part of the extended PINK family, but sorry about no parentage for Susannah PINK...
Keith
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Thank you Keith
Will add all that to the collection - will someday unravel it. Just realised that I should have asked you to see if there were any baptisms in Great Eversden for children of John and Susan Bird. I don't want there to be - if this is the right marriage their first child is Elizabeth born Cockayne Hatley, Beds: she is the one who married the mysterious William Carver of Bassingbourn. Would you mind checking please next time you go?
Jan ;)
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Hi Keith.....
Many thanks again for your time hope it was nice and cool in there today..
So Linton would be a Casbolt stronghold as there are many around . I will have to find out more about the other two baptisms to check for the mother ,seems to be same couple as dates are all ok.
Thats for confirmation on the date (cannot remember now if it was member submitted or filed or that was on info swapped with hubby's cousin).
I will check for more in Linton and see who ties in .
:) :) :) thank you again
Tazzie
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Tazzie,
Yes there really were literally dozens and dozens of CASBOLT's in the Linton registers, so it should prove a fertile hunting ground!
Keith
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Kia Ora Keith
AAh yes I know about William & his first wife Mary! THANK you very much for remembering me!
My problem is that he married again to another Mary! The marriage was in 1811 in Ellington . We know they had a daughter Elizabeth in 1818 who was on the 1841 as a married woman with her parents - what we DO NOT KNOW is:
1. Did William Fa(i)rey and Mary #2 have any children between at 1811 and 1818?
2. Did William & Mary #2 have any children from 1818 onwards?
We know of at least 3 "spare' Faireys who were born in Ellington in the early 1800s - Sarah 1801 who would have been the product of William and Mary #1 disappears and we don't know whether she married or died.
Rachel & David.born early 1820s who would possibly have had Mary #2 as their mother.
Both Rachel & David claim to have been born in Ellington - are you able to access the Registers at Cambridge to find where they were baptised
? Ellington, Grafham & Swavesey are connected to this family as far as we know!
If so we'd be delighted to know if there were any extra wee Faireys and who David and Rachel belonged to!
Regards
Marlene
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It doesn't often get any simpler with your FAIRY's, does it, Marlene...?
keith
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I am definitely Fairy challenged Keith! Not one family has been easy. Not helped by changes in village, county, religion and an inability to spell!
Wouldn't life be boring if they'd stayed put in one place??
Cheers
Marlene
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and now, Di,
Looked in the Willingham transcripts, and there were no LIVETT entries, apart from that 1755 marriage...
Sorry,
Keith
Thank You kind Sir,
It is as I suspected - oh well, we keep on searching ;)
Much appreciated
Di
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Hi Keith, you have been recommended to me by 'Bedfordshire boy' for a possible look up.
If you wouldn't mind when you are next at the Records Office could you look for a marriage between Robert LEADER and Sarah STORY in 1800 Kingston.
And if I may be so cheeky a Baptism for Robert LEADER around 1780 Possibly Kingston (or Bourn) and a Baptism for Sarah STORY possibly 1781 in Bourn.
Many Thanks and Kind Regards Wendy
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Hi, Wendy,
If Bedfordshire Boy has recommended me to you, then I'll definitely look into the Kingston and Bourn registers for you!
Possibly some time this week...
Regards, Keith
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thank you very much keith. I look forward to hearing from you. Wendy
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Hi Wendy
The Bourn entry for Sarah Story is on the IGI, but the PR transcript reads
14 Oct 1781 Sarah Story dau of Richard and Sarah. No other detail I'm afraid
Robert Leader's baptism doesn't appear in Bourne PR transcript.
Regards
David
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Hi Keith....
Trying to sort out some more Casbolt's...I have 3 I am stuck on
Daniel Casbolt b@1807 m Susannah Reader 1830 in Linton
Robert Casbolt b@1796 mElizabeth Reader 18 Nov 1817 Linton
Mary Casbolt C 2AUG 1817 DIED 1908 NSW.
Are you able to see any details on parents ?
Cannot as yet see past Richard b1813 to find likely parents other than a father called John.
Are you able to help?
Tazzie
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Hi Tazzie
The baptism index on the Cambs FHS website has an 1804 baptism in Linton of Daniel son of John & Sarah, so doubtless Keith will be able to get the full entry
http://www.cfhs.org.uk/Search.html
After 1801 if it's not on the index it's very unlikely to be in the parish register
Linton has also been extracted onto the IGI so is reliable - there's a couple of Roberts at about the right time.
http://www.cfhs.org.uk/Search.html
Regards
David
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Thanks David...
Keith says Linton should be a happy hunting ground for my (or hubbies Casbolts).
Will scout around the site ..trying to narrow down 3 John marriages to 3 Sarahs for possible parents .
Thanks :)
Tazzie
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Tazzie (and Wendy),
Will try and get to the CCRO presently. Many other preoccupations at the moment...!
Very best wishes,
Keith
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Now, at last, Wendy (Woowoo),
Manged to get to the CCRO this morning for a lightning 45 minutes or so, and had a peek first in the Kingston parish transcripts. A photcopy of the original handwritten marriage entry simply says: 13th March 1800: Robert Leader and Sarah Story.
On a transcript elsewhere of the same event is added the names of 2 witnesses: John Clark and David Royston.
There's only one earlier entry for this family in Kingston, and that says: Baptism on 23-10-1796: William Leader, son of George and Mary. Private baptism - received into Church.
Presumably the family only arrived in Kingston then...
I then looked in the Bourn transcripts, where the earliest Leader baptism was in 1802. Sarah Story's baptism was there on 04-10-1781. And here, with relevant burials are the baptisms of her other siblings in Bourn:
First of all, a marriage: 13-10-1765: Richard STORY (x) bachelor of Arrington and Sarah ANDERSON spinster. Witness: John Blowes
Baptism: 26-01-1766: Richard STORY s. of Richard and Sarah; buried 17-08-1767
Baptism: 24-05-1767: Henry STORY s. of ditto
Baptism: 08-08-1768: Richard STORY s. of ditto; buried 13-12-1768.
Baptism: 19-02-1770: Thomas STORY s. of ditto; buried 01-08-1770.
Baptism: 22-09-1771: Jane STORY d. of ditto; buried 30-06-1773.
Baptism: 15-05-1774: John STORY s. of ditto
Baptism: 16-02-1777: Mary STORY d. of ditto
Then Sarah, and then a burial of their mother Sarah STORY on 06-07-1788, followed by another marriage:
02-01-1791: Richard STORY widower (x) and Ann EDWARDS widow (x). Witness: Thomas Hone.
...followed by a baptism on 13-03-1791: Thomas STORY s. of Richard and Ann.
Two further burials: 29-12-1805: Ann STORY aged 55
03-11-1811: Richard STORY lab. aged 70.
I looked then in Arrington, but there were no STORY's there.
...and I've only put one witness in for those marriages, as the other name was obviously a church clerk, as his name occurred frequently.
Hope this helps a bit,
regards, keith.
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and now, Tazzie (second attempt, first one disappeared into the ether, so briefly...)
I counted a total 0f 170 CASBOLT baptism entries in the Linton Registers from 1756, so I would recommend you getting some kind of ownership of them - perhaps the CFHS has copies of the fiche(s) for sale.
I wasn't very successful but found:
Baptism on 29-07-1804: Daniel CASBOLT s. of John and Sarah. Born July 6th.
Baptismon 17-06-1795: Robert CASBOLT s. of John and Mary . Born 10th June.
I'll see whether this posts properly, then finish off...
Keith
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...hooray! Now, the nearest I could manage to a Mary CASBOLT circa 1817 baptism was:
24-08-1817: Margarett (sic) CASBOLT d. of Thomas, lab. and Ann. Born 2nd Aug.
08-11-1812: Marianne CASBOLT d. of Wm. and Mary. Born Oct. 15th.
That's all for now...
Keith
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Hi Keith....
Once again many thanks for that...I have found out about some more off of the link from David.
Wow 170 did they breed like rabbits ;D.
I will contact CFHS and see if they do sell fiche or details Bfhs will do a look up and theyve been good before so will see if that is possible for CFHS.
Once again thank you for your time...I only managed 1/2 hour doing some look ups myself this week so many thanks
Tazzie
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Linton baptisms 1732 - 1876 have been extracted onto the IGI. If you go into it via the Hugh Wallis site you can isolate the Linton extracted entries which makes searching much easier
http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~hughwallis/IGIBatchNumbers/CountryEngland.htm#PageTitle
Using the same link that I gave you, Linton fiche is available at £20-00 for non-members, so it must be a big one. All your Casbolts.
Regards
David
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Hi Keith, many thanks for all that info, it would have taken me longer than 45 mins to find all that. Its a shame that Robert Leader is proving to be a bit of a problem. I can't see where William Leader (1796) fits in but there you go. Many thanks again.
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Wendy,
It may well be that the LEADER clan is present in some of the many nearby parishes,
Keith
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Hi Keith, looks like I will have to make a trip to the Cambridge Records Office my self. They don't have fitches like Chelmsford do they? And I have heard it is rather small. Do you have to book?
Thanks Wendy ???
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Wendy,
Yes, it is the smallest County Record Office I have visited, and sometimes it does get pretty full - especially after a bank holiday, or indeed on a Tuesday (it's closed Mondays and at weekends). There's a plan to move to the outskirts of Cambridge to larger premises, perhaps in 2-3 years time.
So, yes, I'd advise booking in advance, and maybe a microfilm reader or microfiche reader, as there are very few of them...
Keith
n.b. At Cambridge, if records have not been transcribed in volumes of books (and they've done a particularly thorough, extensive job of this here), they tend to be on microfilm (parish records and wills); not much is on fiche, just items such as Probate Records.
Bury St Edmunds, by contrast, has a much higher proportion of their Suffolk parish records on fiche, which I found made searching slightly easier than wading through miles of microfilm...
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Hello again, Keith - I trust all is well with you and yours.
I am back to my Kings in Cambs and Suffolk, this time the Exning branch - who appear to have originated in Wood Ditton.
The Cambs FHS Baptism Index has turned up three children of John King and Mary of Wood Ditton:
John baptised 1812
Philip baptised 1814
Maria baptised 1816
If you have any spare time from your other researches, would you be kind enough to look up the details and dates for me, please?
Also a possible marriage for John King Snr and his wife Mary - perhaps around 1810, as John Jnr is the earliest baptism recorded on the CFHS index
Many thanks in anticipation!
Best regards
Wendy
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Hello Keith,
Would you mind looking up the following for me please?
The elusive marriage of George BELL to Harriet KITTERIDGE with no success. They were married between 1891 and 1901 and I am hoping it was in Manea.
Edit:removed George Bell as John Bedford found this record for me (thanks John). I have also managed to solve Elizabeth's birth so removed her too.
Many thanks
Dolly
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Right, Wendy (wdurham, to distinguish from woowoo), and Dolly,
Have noted these two requests, and will respond in due course, tho' the present heatwave doesn't make Record Offices that appealing at the moment!
Keith
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(Keith - sorry to butt in - just been looking at Bell family for Dolly)
George Bell birth Index North Witchford vol 3b page 609 June qtr 1865
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John,
Not butting in at all...all useful grist to the mill; will perhaps make it easier for me to track this baptismal entry down.
Thanks,
keith
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Hi Keith,
Can you add this to your list for me please?
Marriage of John HARRIS to Ann ? C1815 Manea.
Thanks
Dolly
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hello Dolly (can never resist...!)
Noted down to be looked up with those others...
K
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Hi Dolly
One of the best places to check for pre 1837 Cambs marriages is Boyds Marriage Index, which is searchable on a pay per view site www.originsnetwork.com
As luck would have it they have a 24 hour freebie on 4th July to celebrate US Independence day so you can help Keith to narrow it down by checking out Boyd.
I'll butt out now!
Regards
David
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David,
Thank goodness for freebies on Independence Day...Well worth giving it a go on Tuesday, Dolly...
Keith
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Ooooo freebies....Thanks David & Keith!
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Hi Keith,
I checked on Boyds and could not find those marriages, would you mind looking for me when you get a chance?
Thanks
Dolly
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Dolly,
Went to the CCRO this morning, and simply looked up all I could based on your original request.
In the Manea maunuscripts:
Baptism: 14-06-1859: Elizabeth BELL daughter of James and Mary otp
Baptism: 28-04-1865: George BELL son of (blank) and Mary widow otp. Then in the space where normally the occupation of father would be given (blank).
I could find no circa 1815 marriage for a John HARRIS and Ann, but there was an 08-07-1823 marriage between a John HARRIS bachelor otp and Mary HIAM spinster otp.
There were no KITTERIDGE's at all in the index for Manea.
Regards,
keith
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and Wendy (wdurham),
Had a look for your KING's in Wood Ditton, and hope I haven't obscured the picture even more...
Baptism 02-08-1812: John KING son of John and Mary (late FROST)
Baptism 03-04-1814: Philip KING son of John, labourer, and Mary
Baptism 11-02-1816: Maria KING daughter of John, labourer, and Mary
Marriage 06-04-1813: John KING bachelor of Beelsby Lincs, and
Rebecca Frost KING spinster otp
Witnesses: Robert King, Elizabeth King, Matilda King and John King
Marriage 06-04-1812: James KING bachelor otp and Naomi GINN spinster otp. Witnesses: Thomas Foreman, Mary Starves and Thos Burling
Regards,
Keith
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Brilliant, Keith - many thanks!
The Beelsby John King rings bells...and quite possible that he was no relation at all. We have the King conundrum in the current generations: my grandmother was King, and married a Watson; my other grandmother was a Willson and married a King; and my aunt was a Watson and married a King. All three Kings were completely unconnected!
However, that Frost connection looks a tricky one! A few possibilities there: possible that there are two successive generations of Kings married to Frost girls - an unnamed King who married Rebecca's mother (probably a Frost in view of Rebecca's second name), and later John King who married Mary Frost. That would make Mary and Rebecca likely to be first cousins, Rebecca's mother and Mary's father likely to be brother and sister called Frost.
Another possibility is that Mary and Rebecca are sisters and the parish clerk decided to list Rebecca under her married name as well as her maiden name....
At least he says definitely that Rebecca is a spinster, so we can rule out a former marriage to yet another King!
Right, it's on to the Frosts now then! Will check out the Cambs indexes on the FHS site, Boyds, IGI etc and see what I can see.
Many thanks, Keith, as always.
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Wendy,
Reading all this, I think now that my own family history is relatively uncomplicated compared to yours...
Keith
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Hi Keith,
If you happen to find yourself at the Shire Hall in the next while, could you keep an eye out for the marriage of Enoch Manning and Mary ? about 1818 in GAMLINGAY. Subsequent children of this union would be a bonus.
cheers from sweltering Manitoba,
g a r
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Another favour, Keith, if you would be so kind?
Does the records office have the baptismal records of the Isleham General Baptist Church?
I am looking for the baptism record of James King b 1818 but baptised in 1823.
I've found him in the Cambs FHS Baptism index - son of Samuel and Elizabeth, baptised 1823 at Isleham G Baptist aged c5.
Census evidence and his gravestone point to his birth in 1818, which would fit with the above. The IGI has a batch number for Isleham General Baptist, which contains an entry for James King son of Samuel and Elizabeth, but baldly says only "Birth: 1818" and gives no baptism date.
There is another James King listed in the Cambs FHS Baptism index, son of James and Elizabeth, baptised 31 Jan 1818, but as I know my James was the son of Samuel from his marriage certificate, I think he's a red herring. He is also listed on the IGI, but as part of a member entry rather than an extract from local records, and he is NOT in the Isleham General Baptist batch.
I am discussing with 2 King "cousins" that the 5 year old baptised in 1823 HAS to be "our" James - they're not convinced!
Can you help?
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gar,
Think I might get down there next week now, as there's an important race meeting at Newmarket this week for three days, starting tomorrow...
Keith
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:)
No hurry, Keith. This is a loose end rather than a brickwall.
g a r
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Hi Keith,
Thanks so much for taking the time to search for me :)
Unfortunately, the Elizabeth & George Bell you found are not my two :-\
I have noted the Harris marriage info for future ref. As for the Kitteridge's, maybe I gave you the wrong info ??? as they would have been in Linton and not Manea.
Dolly
P.S Enjoy the racing...
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gar,
Was able to slip into the CCRO briefly today, and had a look in Gamlingay parish records. The only 2 MANNING records indexed there were:
21-05-1818: Enoch MANNING bachelor and Mary WOODHAM spinster botp by licence. Witnesses: Thos. Woodham and Sarah Manning.
The other earlier one , for what it's worth, on 10-10-1789:
Elizabeth MANNING spinster otp and William GIDDINGS of Everton cum Tetworth bachelor. Witness: Edward Nettleship
Hope some of this helps...
Keith
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and Wendy (wdurham),
For some reason I hadn't noted down your latest KING request, would have definitely fitted in today; silly me - I'll do it next week, hopefully.
The reason I'm not going to Newmarket as I thought is that they haven't opened the family enclosure for this mid-week meeting( very bad PR move, in my opinion), and Tattersall's is £18 a person, and you can't really picnic there. Moan...moan...
Keith
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Thanks Keith!
Did not have the witnesses, date or the bit about "by licence" for Enoch's marriage. The other looks like it's probably another family. Too early for my Mannings to be in the area.
much appreciated
Garnet
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No worries, Keith - as and when! :-)
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Good, Garnet,
Didn't have my map of the Cambs parishes with me today, otherwise I'd have had a quick peep in the neighbouring ones to Gamlingay. Must get more organised next week, as Wendy will probably agree...
keith
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Hi Keith,
Would you mind searching in the Linton parish records for the following for me?
Birth/Bpt - Edward SAMMS C1720
Birth/Bpt - Mary SEAMAN C1720
Birth/Bpt - George HILLS C 1725
Marriage - George HILLS & Mary ? C1750
Marriage - Martha HILL & Joseph KITTERIDGE C1804
Any information would be really appreciated.
Thanks
Dolly
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Dolly.
Will raise a glass in celebration of our 400th posting on this thread, and will duly after a couple of sips make a note of these in my red notebook; for next week, hopefully...
keith
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Cheers Keith....my glass is nearly empty :P
Dolly
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Hi Keith,
Do you think you could have a look at the Meldreth & Foxton transcripts for Blayne/Blane/Blain burial entries 1599-1670? I’m struggling big time to sort them all out from the IGI, and without the odd burial it’s impossible. Too many Henrys having children at the same period, some with a wife mentioned, others just Henry.
I’ve put them in a spreadsheet (all events at Meldreth unless otherwise stated)
1 Nov 1603 Marr Henry Blane & Elizabeth Griffin
3 Mar 1604 Bap Mary Henry & Elizabeth
17 May 1607 Bap Urseley Henry & Elizabeth
1 Jul 1610 Bap Anthony Henry & Elizabeth
2 May 1613 Bap Henry Henry & Elizabeth
4 Aug 1614 Marr Lt Grans Henry Blane & Mary Covington Red herring? No children on IGI
16 Oct 1617 Marr Henry Blane & Denies Pamner . Is there a burial of Elizabeth 1613-17?
22 Aug 1619 Bap Henry Henry (& Denies?)
28 Jan 1620 Bap Thomas Henry & Denies
23 Jun 1622 Bap Foxton Thomas Henry & Margaret (No marriage in Boyd)
8 Jun 1623 Bap Richard Henry & Dories
19 Dec 1624 Bap Foxton Thomas Henry & Margaret
11 Dec 1625 Bap Foxton Alexander Henry
31 Dec 1625 Bap Margaret Henry & Margaret Was she buried before 1630?
2 baptisms in Dec 1625, one in Foxton, one in Meldreth, looks like 2 couples. But neither marriage on Boyd
28 Apr 1628 Bap Henry Henry
3 Jun 1630 Bap Andrew Henry & Margaret
5 May 1631 Bap Margaret Henry Was she buried before 1637?
29 Nov 1632 Bap Luce Henry
31 Oct 1633 Bap Anthony Henry
6 May 1636 Bap Robert Henry & Margaret
13 Apr 1637 Bap Margaret Henry & Margaret
19 May 1638 Bap Elizabeth Henry & Margaret
16 Sep 1639 Bap Francis (M) Henry & Margaret
29 Sep 1641 Bap Matthew Henry & Margaret
I also have another Margaret chr 27 Jan 1627 dau of William – is there any sign of a burial for her before 1659
I have one Henry buried in 1660, but it looks to me as though there should be more. Is there any sign of any others?
I hope this is less complex than it appears! I'm happy with the baptism details I've got: it's trying to work out which Henry is which as the father! Were any of them described as Gent or esquire, which is a possibility, and would make a nice change from my usual ag labs.
No rush, when the weather cools - I'm sure a small records office, probably with no AC, is not the best place to be on a sweltering hot summers day.
Coming over to Derby next week for daughter #2's marriage. Hope it cools down, as I'm killing two birds with one stone and shall be going to Matlock records office to do a bit of research.
Many thanks
David
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Kia Ora David
Scuse me butting in.. but would you mind asking at Matlock whether they have the Parish Baptism & Marriage Registers for the Wesleyan Methodist Church at Ripley between 1892 and 1940? And can the marriage entries be photocopied?
Hot on the trail of Faireys again but far too many of them to ask for look ups (about 30!) unless I have the above info! ( ALL the Faireys in Ripley are connected!) There's just too many of them for me to buy all the certs!
I'd get down on my knees but they're frozen stiff on one of our coldest days of the year!
Regards from Aotearoa! Very enviously!
Yours
Marlene
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For a frozen kiwi, it would be churlish to refuse!
I'll see what I can dig out for you.
35 here today, but I think it's hotter than that. It was over 40 last Friday when I went to watch the finish of the Tour de France in the town centre.
Need more sangria!
All the best
David
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David,
Ships that pass in the night, and all that - but I left for the CCRO this morning just before 9 a.m. to look a couple of things up for Wendy (wdurham) and Dolly. Just missed your message by a couple of hours. Hopefully next week...
And another curious coincidence in that I'm in the Hathersage area of Derbyshire the week after you're seemingly nearby. I'm seeking out my COCKER roots in the village.
Very best wishes,
keith
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and Dolly,
There really was no sign of any of those 3 baptisms and 2 marriages in Linton for SAMMS/SEAMAN/HILL/HILLS/KITTERIDGE, anywhere near the approximate dates you gave me...
Sorry, keith
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...and Wendy (wdurham) although they had a book published by the Cambridge Antiquarian Records Society called "Isleham Church Book - The Church Book of the Independent Church (now Pound Lane Baptist)", it only went from 1693 until 1805. (There WAS a Susan KING mentioned in the church minutes in 1706/7).
Couldn't find a mention of James KING anywhere else...
keith
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Yep- grounded in more ways than one! Hillsides slipping, roads closed for days and Kiwis cannot fly!
I'd be very grateful indeed to get the answers to the questions if you can get them! I could then systematically work through the marriages. I have the baptisms until early 1900s from an LDS film which finishes about then.
Hope the sun is still shining for the wedding and that you have a speech prepared!
Many thanks
Marlene
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and Dolly,
There really was no sign of any of those 3 baptisms and 2 marriages in Linton for SAMMS/SEAMAN/HILL/HILLS/KITTERIDGE, anywhere near the approximate dates you gave me...
Sorry, keith
Ok Keith, thanks for taking the time to search for me :)
Dolly
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Many thanks Keith - kind of you to look!
...and Wendy (wdurham) although they had a book published by the Cambridge Antiquarian Records Society called "Isleham Church Book - The Church Book of the Independent Church (now Pound Lane Baptist)", it only went from 1693 until 1805. (There WAS a Susan KING mentioned in the church minutes in 1706/7).
Couldn't find a mention of James KING anywhere else...
keith
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Hi Marlene
Yes, Matlock does have the registers of Ripley Wesleyan Methodist Church.
I went through marriages 1848-1944 and found the following Fair(e)y entries:
6 Apr 1901
George Fairy 23 bachelor Bricklayer of Ripley Father Thomas Fairy dec’d Bricklayer’s lab
Married Emily Kate Tapping 27 spinster No occupation quoted (“noq”) of Ripley father Frederick Tapping coachbuilder
Witnesses: Alfred Daniel, Agnes Tapping
28 Oct 1905
William Henry Fairy 22 bach Bricklayer’s lab of Wood St, Ripley (more than a month) father Thomas Fairy dec’d Lab
Marr Mary Elizabeth Wood 20 spins Domestic servant of Oxford St Ripley (more than a month) father Isaac Wood Collier
Wit: Isaac Wood, Elizabeth Ann Harrison
25 Dec 1908
Joseph Fairy 22 bach Carter of Wood St Ripley father Thomas Fairy dec’d Ironworker
m Eliza Ann Harrison 25 spin noq of Green Hillocks, Ripley, father Charles Harrison dec’d Tailor
Wit: John Henry Harrison, Hilda Fairy
2 Aug 1924
George Frederick Fairey 22 bach Bricklayer’s lab of Peas Hill Rd Ripley Father George Fairey bricklayer
m Winifred Lucy Stevens 20 spin noq of Mt Pleasant Rd, Ripley Father Arthur Stevens lab
Wit: Arthur Stevens; Agnes Fairey; Doris May Walters
11 July 1925
Job Seal 52 bach Pottery lab of Horsley Coxbench father Joseph Seal lab
m Hilda Fairey 33 spin Dining room attendant at pottery of 11 Wood St Ripley father Thomas Fairey lab
Wit: Fanny Fairey; George Fairey
9 June 1930
Benjamin Key 25 bach Farm lab of The Green, Heage father Benjamin Key collier
m Agnes Helen Fairey 25 spin noq of Pease Hill Rd Ripley father George Fairey, bricklayer
Wit: Annie Edith Fairey; Henry Key
27 Jun 1931
Philip Gordon Brown 27 bach Farm lab of c/o Mrs James, 12 Dolphin Terrace, Stanley Common father Thomas Brown dec’d
m Dora Fairey 24 spin Dom servant of 26 Pease Hill Rd Ripley father George Fairey bricklayer
Wit: Charles Henry Fairey; Agnes Helen Key
14 Nov 1936
John Edward Bull 25 bach Iron moulder of Station Rd Stanley father Francis Bull railway porter
m Evelyn Fairey 25 spin noq of 350 Coonor Gate, Coonor father Joseph Fairey builder
Wit E Clarke, N Taylor
27 Mar 1937
Thomas Harrison 24 bach coal miner of 6 Council Houses nr Green Man, Heage father William Harrison collier
m Gladys Kate Fairey 21 spin Dom serv of 26 Peas Hill Rd Ripley father George Fairey bricklayer
Wit: Annie E/C? Fairey; Hesley Stone
And just in case you haven't got them in 1901
RG13/3229 folio 17A
Wood St Ripley
Fanny Fairey head widow 48 b Newson Derbys
George Fairey son single 23 bricklayer b Fritchley Derbys
William Hy Fairey son single 17 Gen lab b Ripley
Bela Fairey son single 16 Coal (not Cole) Porter b Ripley
Joseph Fairey son single 14 Coal porter b Ripley
Lawson Fairey son 12 Errand boy b Ripley
Hilda Fairey dau 7 b Ripley
(in 1891 Bela was shown as daughter, but if she really was a coal porter in 1901 I think she was probably a he!)
In 1891 the family is indexed as Fanny, so Thomas's wife is Fanny Fanny!
Regards
David
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David,
Now there's a nice surprise for Marlene when she wakes up in N.Z.! Afraid I haven't been to the CCRO this week to check that list of burials for you, and I'm hopefully heading for Derbyshire myself at the end of the week. In-laws in residence for a couple of weeks from tomorrow (celebrating their golden wedding on Friday), but I will get up there when things quieten down.
Hope you enjoyed your time in Matlock...
keith
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Hi Keith
No sweat, whenever you happen to be next up there. Derby/Matlock was good thanks, got a lot done. First time I've handled 500 year old documents. Somehow brings these long dead ancestors much closer. Spent a lot of money on photocopying as I went into the Local Studies Centre in Derby as well. Already planning my next trip!
Enjoy Derbyshire
David
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Keith -
Yet another small request when you next toddle up Castle Hill.
Having acquired a transcription of the Isleham Parish Records on CD from the CFHS, I had hoped not to have to worry you about them!
However, I have a burial recorded on the CD as follows:
"1826 Aug 30 SCARF Ann otp 66"
Would you be kind enough to check the original record for me and confirm that the age was indeed 66? Might it conceivably have been a badly written 56?
Many thanks,
Wendy
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Right, Wendy,
It's in my book alongside David's long list...
Keith
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Yippee de do dah! David what a wonderful surprise!
Thank you!
I had thought that if you found the Register (the Church didn't know where it was!) I could ask for the individuals! But you have beaten me to it!
I'm so very grateful. Between Keith and yourself I have filled in a lot of gaps which I could never have done!
Now when is someone in your family going to marry in Great Catworth - all I want is the Faireys after 1860!
How did the wedding go? Warm enough?
Best Regards
Marlene
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Hi Marlene
Hope that's helped to thaw you out!
Wedding was great thanks, not too hot, but I'm not looking for another. Weddings are like cigarette packets, they should carry a Government health warning. They can seriously damage your financial health.
Re Great Catworth and your post on the Hunts board, I'm not aware of any transcription available for purchase - it's not a parish that's available from Hunts FHS and I'm not aware of any other source. It's possible that the Records Office may use an internally produced transcription (they had one for another parish that they checked for me when I used their research service last year)
Let me know if you need the 1891 or earlier censuses for the Ripley Fairys
Chin chin
David
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You beaut -glad it all went well and may the damage to the Bank Balance not be too bad!
I meant to tell you that Bela WAS a fella! Definitely ! Heaps of hair and a moustache in the only photo I have of him! Not that always signifies masculinity, but you know what I mean!
I have a feeling that it was Jim Bundy (Eaton Socon transcriptions) who mentioned the Transcriptions at Gt Catworth so I'll check with him. I know I saved the email...somewhere!
So..ooo envious of you researching 500 years ago! I can almost smell the must! I thought I'd better tidy up great gran's cuzzies in the 1800s first before I attempted to get beyond poor old William who married in Riseley 1780.
Suspect it would be beyond my resources and yours and Keith's patience to extend further back!
Many thanks for the offer of the censii for the Ripley Faireys - I have the family back from 1901 - it was just finding the details of the descendants and I am so pleased about that!
Many thanks forever!
Marlene
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Hi,
if you are still going to the records office, could you possibly look up a couple of people on the Dullingham poor relief records.
They are:
Phillipa Bye, she died in 1774 and was buried on the 18th of August.
Elizabeth Bye, she died 1779 and was buried May 7th.
On the burial records from Dullingham, both were listed as Widows and collectioners, and i'm told that a collectioner means that they were in receipt of Parish relief.
Many Thanks
Marie
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Hi Keith and all.
If you get a spare moment would you please put this in the book for a potential lookup.
Anne Gee marriage to Robert Howlett 10 June 1822 Chesterton, Cambs.
Am trying to make sure she's daughter of James and Susanna so hoping you can find another family member listed as witness or something similar - yeah I know live in hope!!!!!! actually any details greatfully appreciated.
What did you make of the ball tampering incident? Gonna be interesting series!!
Hoping to go to a day of the Adelaide Test at the end of the year.
Ciao for now. Thanks in advance,
Lilygirl.
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Lilygirl.
That must be one of the St Andrews parishes, Cambridge, I think. Will look it up, though I've been unable to get to the CCRO for some weeks. Very envious of your being able to get to that Ashes Test. We're hoping that Flintoff is fit by then.
And Mafric (Marie), I hadn't forgotten your request and will have a look up in Dullingham for you - when I manage to get to Shire Hall; but I don't think it will be now until the second week in September at the earliest...
keith
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Hi Ketih,
No probs certainly no hurry this end anytime you can manage it will be splendid!
Have a good one! ;)
Lilygirl.
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Hi Keith,
I have just found out that some of my ancestors were not my ancestors, and now have a brick wall. Would you be able to look up the Linton PR's for me on your next visit to the RO?
I am trying to find the birth/bpt of Joseph or Josiah KITTERIDGE (Variations: Ketteridge/Kitterage) C1770-1785.
Many thanks
Dolly
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Dolly,
Hoping, perhaps, to be able to have a look at the end of next week...
keith
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Hi Kieth,
That will be fantastic and much appreciated.
Dolly
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Dolly,
Today had a look through the Linton baptisms for 1770-1785, but the only KETTERIDGE baptism was one for: 09-03-1783: John KETTERIDGE son of Edward, carpenter, and Mary. Born 23rd Feb.
You've probably already got this one, but at least I looked...
keith
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and Lilygirl,
Had a quick hour to spare up the CCRO today, but when I got there and looked at your request I realised I hadn't made a note of which parish for that 1822 marriage. Kicking myself, and of course once I got home I looked it up on this thread and remembered immediately, because of the brief discussion of it we'd had. Hoping to go again on Friday, so you'll just have to curse me and be patient for another 3 days...
keith
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and wdurham (Wendy),
I'm afraid I couldn't use any stretch of my imagination to change that 6 digit in the original. Ann SCARF definitely appears to be 66 years of age when she died in 1826...
keith
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and mafric (Marie),
I couldn't find anything in the Parish Chest for Dullingham that might have given more detail about your two 18thC BYE ancestors, I'm afraid...
keith
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...but Bedfordshire Boy (David),
You seem to be the lucky one as I managed to extract a pile of BLANE/BLAYNE/BLAINE burials from the Bishop's Transcripts.
First of all, in Foxton for the period you wanted, a marriage:
26-04-1624: George FLACKE and Elizabeth BLANE.
Just a couple of burials here: 25-06-1622: Thomas BLANE son of Henrie and Margaret; and 01-01-1625: Margaret BLANE daughter of Henrie and Margaret.
So, yes, she was buried before 1630.
Now the Foxton burials, please excuse me for a moment while I reach for a beer in the fridge - still quite hot here in Cambridge for September!
Regards,
keith
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David, Aaah! That's better (got the CCRO dust out of my lungs now...)
Burials in Meldreth (all in BT's)...Spelling as per transcript
06-09-1613: Jane BLANE wife of Edward
07-03-1614: Henry BLANE
31-03-1614: Elizabeth BLANE
11-01-1616: Mary BLANE
07-06-1625: Willyam BLAYNES son of Rob.
10-09-1626: Joane BLAYNE wife of Alexander
01-05-1627: Jane BLAYNE daughter of Robert
06-04-1628: Mary BLAYNE daughter of Henry
16-10-1628: Edward BLAYNE son of Alex
13-01-1631: Alexander BLAINE son of Henry
21-12-1636: Margarett BLAINE daughter of Henry
11-07-1637: Margarett BLAINE wife of Willyam
27-08-1638: Margarett BLAINE daughter of William
23-05-1639: Elizabeth BLAINE daughter of Henry and Margaret...
There's more, don't go away...
keith
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David,
I bet you're feeling a headache coming on, with the prospect of trying to fit this jigsaw together, but I've started, so I'll finish...(The Civil War must have been rumbling about the BLAYNE ears in Cambs by now)
26-08-1640: The infant BLAINE of Henry and Margaret (no indication if they had the pink or blue bootees ready for this poor soul...)
10-05-1641: Wm BLAINE son of Alexander and Joane
30-09-1641: Matthewe BLAINE son of Henry and Margaret
28-02-1645: Richard (with a question mark) BLAYNE son of William and Grace
15-10-1647: Henry BLAINE an old man
05-06-1650: Robert BLAYNE an old man
06-12-1651: Elizabeth BLAYNE wife of Alexander
09-01-1656: Barbary (sic) BLANE wife of Alexander
28-09-1657: Margaret BLAYNE wife of Henry
22-10-1657: Alexander BLANE an old man
16-10-1658: Robert BLAYNE
24-04-1660: Henry BLAYNEI (sic) gent
13-12-1674: Margret BLANE.
That's all for now, David. Made it through to The Restoration safely...
keith
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Kia Ora Keith!
No REQUESTS! Just a quick hello to you & that Bedford Boy ! And another thank you for this wonderful thread where you have helped so many! You deserve more than a beer!
Marlene
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And Kia Ora to you too Marlene,
A little bird on here has told me since I reeled off all those burials in Meldreth that David (Bedfordshire Boy) has actually been having problems with his internet server down in deepest France - but I hope he gets his BLANE details soon...
keith
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and David,
A footnote, looking through what I scrawled down this afternoon. Apart from all those interrals in Meldreth, there were also a couple of marriages:
29-09-1617: Robert BLAINE and Catheren (sic) INGRY
16-10-1617: Henry BLAINE and Dennis (sic) PAMNER.
Definitely goodnight now, way past my bedtime...
keith
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OOPS! How that infuriates me but then I have to be grateful we have the Internet at all! Wonder if he swears in French or Anglais?
Hope all is well with yours!
Marlene
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Keith,
You certainly have been busy ;)
Thanks for looking for me!!
Dolly
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Dolly,
Just a rapid hour, hope to be able to get down there again for a while on Friday, especially for Lilygirl...
keith
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Thanks very much for all those Blaines Keith. I'll now try to sort them out!
You're right - my home internet dropped just after my last message to Suncrush, and I'm still waiting. Some good old fashioned Anglo-Saxon has been heard in France recently. Merde is simply no substitute, although I'm deep in it!
How people research on the internet in libraries or internet cafes is beyond me.
Hopefully I'll be up and running again within a week - and that's an even longer period in France than it is in politics.
Hope you enjoyed that cold beer - it's been 35Cdown here this week so I've been raising the odd glass.
Thanks again
David
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David,
Good to know you're in contact with the world beyond those fortified medieval city walls again. Today I was dragged out to a garden centre quite near to Meldreth, so on the way back I got my own back by jumping out of the car and having a quick scout round the Churchyard. Obviously those BLAINE burials were 17thC, but thought I'd have a look - nothing, of course, very few actual gravestones of any description still there, though I did take a snap of the church with a nice blue September sky behind...
keith
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Hi Keith,
I am not familiar with Settlement Papers/Removal Orders and wonderd if you were able to look them up in the RO?
If so, I am trying to find a removal order for JOSEPH KETTERIDGE/KITTERIDGE and his family (wife Martha and five children) in 1817 from Linton to Bartlow.
Thanks
Dolly
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Dolly,
Will see what they have, though it won't be till next week at the earliest, I'm afraid...
keith
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Hi Keith,
Long time - No requests! ;D
I have just found a very small glimmer of a light at the end of a tunnel that you may be able to help me with PLEASE.
I am looking for Baptist records for the late 1600 for the town of Milbourn (which I can only assume is meant to be Melbourn ???). Found reference via a Google search and that's how they spelt to town name??
Any idea is CCRO would have these records?
Thanks
Di
;)
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Hi again, Di,
I'm not sure whether the CCRO would have these records, as nearly all their transcripts of Nonconformist records are between 1800 and 1837, I believe. I'll certainly see what there is next time I'm there - though opportunity is rather limited at the moment due to one or two changes in the pattern of my domestic life...
keith
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Hi Keith,
Thanks - I'd appreciate any news, if you see of hear of anything.
Hope your "domestics" are OK ;)
All the best
Di
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Hello Keith,
I am another descendant of Joseph Mustill and Sarah Johnson. I was wondering if you still had any notes on any more of this family? Joseph married his first wife Sarah Ground in Haddeham on 14 Feb 1821.