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Title: Thomas Edward Davies and family
Post by: suehallam32 on Thursday 11 July 13 12:01 BST (UK)
Looking for Thomas Edward Davies and his family, found him in 1901 cencus;
99, Rishton St, West Derby Lancashire;
Thomas Ed Davies b abt 1866 West Bromwich,Staffordshire
Frances E    b  abt 1866 Hulme, Lancashire
Frances E b abt 1886 Withington, Lancashire
Lillian M b abt 1890 Liverpool Lancashire
Beatrice A O b abt 1892, Liverpool Lancs
Frederick N V b abt 1894 Liverpool Lancs
Harold A E b abt 1897 Liverpool Lancs
Florence E b abt 1899 Liverpool Lancs
Frances Emma his wife dies in 1907 living at 39, Third Ave Fazakerley three month after giving birth to a son Thomas William Pettifer, adopted/ fostered out to Joseph and Emily Basford Chesterfield Derbyshire( 1911 cencus). Other than this I cannot find any trace of the family, and wondered if any rootschat members could help me in any way please
Title: Re: Thomas Edward Davies and family
Post by: heatherjulie on Thursday 11 July 13 12:50 BST (UK)
Hi
This might be the family in 1891
103 Stanfield Road
West Derby Liverpool

John Cowan 43
Hannah Cowan 42
Allan W Cowan 13
Daisy M Cowan 11
Earnest V Cowan 8
Evaline A Cowan 5
Thomas Davies 25 Lodger born Birmingham Baker
Emma Davies 25 born Manchester
Lillian M Davies 1 born Liverpool

2947/9/11
 
Title: Re: Thomas Edward Davies and family
Post by: suehallam32 on Thursday 11 July 13 13:06 BST (UK)
Thanks Heatherjulie, I did find this and wondered if it was my family, all the dates match, Also found Thomas Edward in 1871 census in Wolverhampton, but nothing else.
Title: Re: Thomas Edward Davies and family
Post by: avm228 on Thursday 11 July 13 13:07 BST (UK)
Hi and welcome :)

There are Davies baptisms as follows:

St John the Evangelist, Everton

24 Aug 1892

Lillian Maud (b 9 Oct 1889)
Beatrice Amy Olive (b 6 May 1892)

parents Thomas (a baker) & Emma, of 6 McLeod St.

St Cuthbert, Everton

3 Nov 1895

Frederick Norman Victor (b 9 Sep 1894), parents Thomas Edward Prattington (a confectioner) & Frances Emma, of 22 Vanguard St.

12 May 1897

Harold Albert Edward (b 19 Apr 1897), parents Thomas (a baker) & Emma, of 96 Rishton St.

St Saviour, Everton

16 Jan 1901

Florence Evelyn (b 13 Aug 1899), parents Thomas (a baker) & Emma, of 99 Rishton St.

St George, Everton

20 Nov 1901

Henry Joseph Potiphar (b 1 Nov 1901), parents Thomas (a baker) & Emma, of 99 Rishton St.
Title: Re: Thomas Edward Davies and family
Post by: heatherjulie on Thursday 11 July 13 13:08 BST (UK)
There is a marriage for

Thomas E Davies and Frances Gray in 1888 Chorlton-on-Medlock  Register Office or Registrar attended

www.lancashirebmd.org.uk

Heather
Title: Re: Thomas Edward Davies and family
Post by: avm228 on Thursday 11 July 13 13:19 BST (UK)
In the light of Frederick's baptism listing his father's full given names as Thomas Edward Prattington, Thomas' birth registration looks likely to be this one

Birth, Sep qtr 1865

Thomas Edward Prattiton DAVIES

Birmingham 6d 85
Title: Re: Thomas Edward Davies and family
Post by: avm228 on Thursday 11 July 13 13:23 BST (UK)
Also found Thomas Edward in 1871 census in Wolverhampton, but nothing else.

Are you sure about Wolverhampton? I was thinking the more likely 1871 was as Thomas E.P. Davies, 5 b Birmingham, in Church Gresley, Derbyshire with parents David A. and Marion L.P.?

RG10/2900/5/2.

Added: in 1881 this family is in Chorlton-upon-Medlock, Thomas still at home: RG11/3915/69/11.
Title: Re: Thomas Edward Davies and family
Post by: Manchester Rambler on Thursday 11 July 13 13:27 BST (UK)
Thomas Edward Prattinton DAVIES, son of David Alexander DAVIES and Marion Louisa, bapt. 21 Jan 1873, St Peter, Wolverhampton.
Title: Re: Thomas Edward Davies and family
Post by: avm228 on Thursday 11 July 13 13:31 BST (UK)
Marriage, Dec qtr 1862

David Alexander DAVIES
Marion Louisa PETTIFIHER

on the same page, King's Norton 6c 678
Title: Re: Thomas Edward Davies and family
Post by: heatherjulie on Thursday 11 July 13 14:09 BST (UK)
This might be Emma in 1871
21 Chestnut Street
Hulme

Stephen Gray 36
Emma Gray 35
John Gray 12
Martha A Gray 8
Emma Gray 4

36/4000/53/8
Added: This is not the correct family as Emma is Emma Paterson in 1891
Title: Re: Thomas Edward Davies and family
Post by: avm228 on Thursday 11 July 13 14:37 BST (UK)

Harold Albert Edward (b 19 Apr 1897), parents Thomas (a baker) & Emma, of 96 Rishton St.


Possible death (if he switched his names around)?

Albert Harold E DAVIES, born Apr 1897, died Mar qtr 1972 Liverpool.
Title: Re: Thomas Edward Davies and family
Post by: suehallam32 on Thursday 11 July 13 17:29 BST (UK)
Thank you for info avm228 on birth and death of Harold, possible he did change his name round,also marriage of David and Marion, my husbands grandfather was Thomas William Pettifer Davies, wondered were the Pettifer was from, although spelling is different.Thomas Edwards wife was Frances Emma (maiden name ) Dale.
Title: Re: Thomas Edward Davies and family
Post by: avm228 on Thursday 11 July 13 18:34 BST (UK)
Thomas Edwards wife was Frances Emma (maiden name ) Dale.

I saw a tree online with her maiden name given as Dale but it was unsourced. Does this come from one of the children's birth certificates and/or has a relevant marriage been found in that name?

I see that a Frances Emma Dale (19, father George a bricksetter) married a James Rose (21, father George a shoemaker) at St Mary's Hulme on 14 Sep 1884.

Witnesses James Edwin Hamlett & Mary Jane Smith.

Frances Emma's parents look likely to be George Dale (bricklayer) and Sophia Hamblett, who were both 24 when they married at Manchester Cathedral on 7 March 1852.
Title: Re: Thomas Edward Davies and family
Post by: suehallam32 on Thursday 11 July 13 19:04 BST (UK)
Thomas William Pettifer Davies birth certificate stated mother as Frances Emma Davies formerly Dale.
Title: Re: Thomas Edward Davies and family
Post by: Manchester Rambler on Thursday 11 July 13 20:40 BST (UK)
Lilian Davies (19) and Beatrice Davies (16) travelled from Liverpool to Halifax, Canada on 25 October 1907 - I can't see them on the Cananda 1911 census at the moment, but a rather iffy online tree shows them marrying and dying in Nova Scotia.
Title: Re: Thomas Edward Davies and family
Post by: avm228 on Thursday 11 July 13 21:16 BST (UK)
Lilian Davies (19) and Beatrice Davies (16) travelled from Liverpool to Halifax, Canada on 25 October 1907 - I can't see them on the Cananda 1911 census at the moment, but a rather iffy online tree shows them marrying and dying in Nova Scotia.

Arrival records for this voyage (Dec 1907) show that they were headed for a "situation" in Windsor, Nova Scotia.
Title: Re: Thomas Edward Davies and family
Post by: J.J. on Saturday 31 May 14 04:07 BST (UK)
In case you had not seen this yet...1872 Probate files : William Prattinton Pettipher  Adam Prattinton Pettipher, ( your David Alexander Davies and Marion Louisa)  etc.
http://discovery.nationalarchives.gov.uk/SearchUI/s/res/1?_q=PROB-d4-c38

 with same middle name Adam Prattinton Pettipher 1841 Marion Prattinton Pettipher 1843
michael William Prattinton Pettipher &  Ewart Prattinton Pettipher 1871      
Ernest Prattinton Pettipher
https://familysearch.org/search/record/results?count=20&query=%2Bgivenname%3APrattinton~%20%2Bsurname%3APattipher.~
Title: Re: Thomas Edward Davies and family
Post by: J.J. on Saturday 31 May 14 05:11 BST (UK)
a Lillian M. "Davis" and William F. Skelhorne married 1909 in Hants County
Looks pretty good as she is 19, born England to Emma & Thomas ( a baker )
Book 1824 - Page 114 - Number 4 https://www.novascotiagenealogy.com


adding:her full name is Lillian Maud in 1921 with their offspring.... http://www.rootschat.com/links/010ng/   see image for more details

ancestry has images of Lillian Maude Davies Skelhorn   http://www.rootschat.com/links/010nj/
adding: looks to be right on as there was another child   Beatrice Amy Olive SKELHORN. 1924 - 1989...
No sign of Beatrice Amy Olive Davies

Just found this: Beatrice Amy Davies  1892 - 1991 but you'd need to sign in
 http://www.rootschat.com/links/010o3/
Title: Re: Thomas Edward Davies and family
Post by: J.J. on Saturday 31 May 14 06:28 BST (UK)
Finally found them 1911 census transcribed as Shelborne, ( the surname may have actually been SCHALLHORN originally?)
Lillian b. Oct 1890 (as Daughter-in-law in household) with baby daughter Violet b. Oct 1910
PLUS Victor Davis  Boarder/single b. Sept. 1893 so brother Frederick Norman Victor?
 http://www.automatedgenealogy.com/census11/SplitView.jsp?id=6374

Can't see splitview as site is down right now, but this has to be they.
Title: Re: Thomas Edward Davies and family
Post by: suehallam32 on Saturday 31 May 14 10:35 BST (UK)
Thank you for the info, will now start to look at this part of tree again.