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Research in Other Countries => Australia => Topic started by: BevL on Monday 15 July 13 06:56 BST (UK)
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Hi,
I am trying to find out what happened to Doris Grace Fidler born 1912 who married Henry William Menkens in 1936 in Queensland. Henry died in 1937 and the last bit of information i can find out about Doris (or Dot as I noticed she was called when I looked up some pieces in Trove) is her living with her parents in 1937 Queensland Voter List.
Can anyone help me please?
Kind regards
Bev
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Under the name
MENKINS, Henrich William
Age 31 yrs
burial 1937
Toowong Cemetery.
No others of the name listed.
Sue
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Also married with the same name - Heinrich.
1936/C4974
MENKENS Heinrich William
FIDLER Doris Grace
And as Doris was living in Townsville according to the 1937 Electoral Roll, do you think she re-married in that district.
Australian Electoral Roll
1936
FIDLER Doris Grace 102 Sturt Street, Townsville HD
1937
MENKENS Doris Grace 102 Sturt Street, Townsville HD
Pity she didn't have unusual given names :)
Is it possible she is buried with her parents?
Cando
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Thanks Both
Doris Grace and a brother Ronald Henry Fidler are very elusive. Ronald is mentioned in Trove as well, but I can find no birth, marriage or death for him either. If she remarried I can't find out her name as the Queensland marriages only go to 1938 which is only a year after her husband died.
Kind regards
Bev.
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the last bit of information i can find out about Doris (or Dot as I noticed she was called when I looked up some pieces in Trove) is her living with her parents in 1937
Report of her first marriage states dau of the late Mr D B FIDLER. Appears to be with her mother Grace and brother in 1937.
http://www.rootschat.com/links/0vca/
Her father died in 1924.
Cando
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Ronald Henry is living in NSW in 1980
Cando
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Marriage in NSW
Ronald Henry Fidler & Beth May Penny
NSW, 6491/1945
Reg: Sydney
Gerry
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She was in Mossman in 1939
Mrs. Doris Grace Menkens of Mossman
http://trove.nla.gov.au/ndp/del/article/42185803?searchTerm=%22doris%20grace%20MENKENS%22&searchLimits=exactPhrase=doris+grace+MENKENS
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Doris (or Dot as I noticed she was called when I looked up some pieces in Trove) is her living with her parents in 1937
Her father died in 1924
1924/C349
David Bennett Fidler
Father Robert Fidler
Mother Sophia
NOTICE TO CREDITORS. DAVID BENNETT FIDLER— DECEASED. ALL PERSONS having any claims against the Estate of David Bennett Fidler, late of Collinsville. storekeeper, deceased, are requested to deliver full particulars of their claims to the undersigned not later than MONDAY, the 15th JUNE, 1925. E. IVOR HAVARD, Solicitor for the Executrix,.
The male in the household is her brother
Birth
1911/C4961
David Lance Fidler
Father David Bennett
Mother Grace Hudson
Sue
EDIT
Apologies for duplication.
I have a couple of extra details here so will leave as is :P
Sue
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Doris Grace's birth was not registered until 1952. She may have needed a birth certificate for legal reasons and discovered there was no birth registration. Parents married in 1907 but the first birth registered was David Lance in 1911 and Berra Myrtle in 1913.
1952/C11854
FIDLER Doris Grace
Father David Bennett Mother Grace HUDSON
Cando
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A previous thread on the brother Ronald Henry
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,530458.0.html
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Hi All,
Thank you for the help you have given me. I had a massive crash and lost a lot of my family history and am trying to restore it again. Also all the little bits and pieces you accumulate went down the drain as well . I was lucky my nephew had a copy he had taken from me regarding all the families as I would be in a right mess!
I think Doris Grace will remain a mystery though it is a wonder she didn't have to produce a birth certificate for her marriage to Henry Menkens isn't it? Perhaps she wanted to remarry in 1952 and then found out she hadn't been registered. Though again I have a registration for her for 1912 (C11854/1912)! Perhaps I have the wrong person. It looks like the reference to her in the paper in 1939 seems to be the last bit of information about her!
David Bennett Fidler's parents were my Gt grandparents and David's children grandparents. I know when Sophia Fidler died there was a notice in the newspapers trying to find he and his brother Henry James Fidler who both moved to Queensland from Victoria, though I don't know if they contacted their siblings in Victoria regarding this.
Also, thank you for the information on Ronald Henry Fidler (I have some recollection that at one stage he was running a hotel in Queensland). It's amazing how some things spring to mind isn't it?
I have David Lance marrying Margaret Monica ?, no surname and no date and I think a child (David James Fidler - no birth date) and David Lance died in 1971, also Berra Myrtle Prenzler was alive in 1980 according to the Voters List.
Anyway, thank you for your help and I will leave it open in case anyone contacts me.
Kind regards
Bev
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1900 Qld State Electoral Roll
MOUNT MORGAN DIVISION
Fidler David Bennett, 26, storekeeper, qualified by residence 30th Nov 1899.
Fidler Robert, 31, storekeeper, qualified by residence, 1st Dec 1899.
Queensland Police Gazette
Auctioneer's Licences to 31st Dec 1898
D. B. Fidler, Charleville District.
Gerry
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I think Doris Grace will remain a mystery though it is a wonder she didn't have to produce a birth certificate for her marriage to Henry Menkens isn't it?
Not necessarily so. I wasn't asked for my birth certificate when I married.
Perhaps there is an error with the year on the Qld bdm database with the year.
C11854/1912
BevL
1952/C11854
Cando
Cando
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David Bennett sold his Auctioneers business at Charleville in 1898.
http://trove.nla.gov.au/ndp/del/article/84402835?searchTerm=
Gerry
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Maybe Doris Grace's mother's death cert. might give something up. It should mention her children and whether they are alive or deceased. At least you'd know if Doris was still alive in 1964 or not.
1964/B68589 Grace Fidler father Henry Hudson mother Jemima
https://www.bdm.qld.gov.au/IndexSearch/mainMenuSubmit.m?main_menu=Help
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DORIS' sister was at Mossman in 1939
She was in Mossman in 1939
Mrs. Doris Grace Menkens of Mossman
http://trove.nla.gov.au/ndp/del/article/42185803?searchTerm=%22doris%20grace%20MENKENS%22&searchLimits=exactPhrase=doris+grace+MENKENS
You would already have this marriage-
1936/C1103
Prenzler Henry to Fidler Berra Myrtle
An item about the wedding
http://trove.nla.gov.au/ndp/del/article/62971809?searchTerm="prenzler" +fidler&searchLimits=
..."Mr. and Mrs. H. Prenzler's future home will be at Mossman".....
So this is her sister’s wedding 1936 with Dot as attendant.
....."Mr. H. Prenzler, head teacher of the Cassowary State School, returned on Saturday after a visit to the south....".
Cairns Post 28 August 1939
Sue
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Hi All,
Just as an aside. In the earlier one where I originally asked for help on the 4th May 1911, Dundee told me Doris Grace's birth was 5/7/1907 which was a few months before her parent's marriage.
I also apologise to everyone because I kept saying she was born in 1912 which was my bad eyesight reading the registration as 1912 which I thought was the date instead of 1952.
Other than that .. I don't think I am improving with age, so thank you for the bits and pieces everyone is giving me - some I remember (vaguely) and other parts are completely new to me.
Kind regards
Bev
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I originally asked for help on the 4th May 1911,
I think you are doing very well for your age ;D Sorry Bev I couldn't resist that ;)
Doris Grace's birth was 5/7/1907 which was a few months before her parent's marriage.
An online subscription website has the birth below [from QLD bdm] as 5 Nov 1907. Not your Doris Grace. Have another look at the date that was given to you for your Doris's birth as the day of the month and year is the same.
1907/C10624
HUDSON Doris
Father Walter Mother Margaret WEBB
Cheers
Cando
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Hi Cando
Before I had the power failure and had to find my password to come back on site, I had gone to the Queensland BDM's, put the date 5/7/1907 and it came up with the 1952 registration, the name Doris Grace with parents David Bennett Fidler and Grace Hudson. Have I done something wrong?
Kind regards
Bev
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I got the same result but as I could not have possibly known the full date I couldn't search using it. I got the same result however minus the full date.
Cando :)
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Doris Grace remarried (I don't know who to) and had a daughter. She left the husband and settled in Wollongong. I'm related through Doris's mother.
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Thanks Kathy,
Doesn't help much but at least know I now. I will just have to go through the states now to try to find out. I'm related on the Fidler's side.
Kind regards
Bev
PS: welcome to Rootschat. You will love it.
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Hi Bev,
I am the granddaughter of Ronald Henry Fidler and Beth May Penny (Fidler). They had two children together, Ron and Toni (my mother), from what you have written previously, I think you may be their cousin.
Let me know if you would like any further information.
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Hi Rebecca,
I would dearly love to find out everything I can about Ronald Henry Fidler and Beth May Penny. The only thing I have is their marriage date in NSW, no births or deaths for either of them and no information on children and I only found out about him from looking at Trove.
From memory I think it is 3 postings before you are able to use the personal messages, but once that is done I can give you some information about the rest of the family if you would like it.
My grandmother Rosina Henrietta Fidler (married Thomas Roper) is David Bennet Fidler's sister and they left Victoria and came to Western Australia at around 1900.
Kind regards
Bev
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Hi again Bev,
I spoke to my Mother tonight and she gave the following details:
Ronald Henry Fidler born 05-09-1917 (we believe in Queensland) died 22-03-02 (in Perth, WA).
Beth May Penny born 09-09-1924 (we believe in Victoria) died 13-03-2014 (in Perth, WA).
Throughout his life Ronald Henry Fidler owned a number of businesses. One was the Waterford Hotel that you've mentioned in a previous post, others being the first car yard in Bulli, NSW, Mermaid Beach Hotel and Broadbeach Hotel.
We believe Ronald Henry Fidler spent the early years of his life and was possibly born in Collinsville QLD where his Mother owned and ran the local post office along with a cafe called "Fidler's Cafe".
My Mother also recalls an Aunty and Uncle on Ronald Henry Fidler's side who she named Harry and Bebby Prenzler (not sure if surname is correct).
Hope this helps! :)
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Berra Myrtle Fidler born 12th Match 1913 married Henry Prenzler in 1936. She died in 2002.
Regards...........Kerry Young
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Hi Rebecca
I'm like a kid at Xmas!! Please thank you mother for me for all the information - it's lovely to put some information to a person. I have lived in Western Australia all my life and now I find they were on my own doorstep.
Kahy - you have written once before regarding Doris Grace and thank you also for your information on Berra. It's a different name and one that would easily be picked up when looking wouldn't it?
I have contacted a few people on the Fidler side so if there is anything you would like to know and I have it, I will be happy to pass it on to you.
Kind regards
Bev
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Australian Electoral Roll
1943
FIDLER David Lance 25 Wentford Street, Mackay Taxi driver
FIDLER Grace 25 Wentford Street Mackay HD
FIDLER Ronald Henry 25 Wentford Street Mackay Taxi driver
1958
FIDLER Beth May 411 Brisbane Corso, Yeronga HD
FIDLER Ronald Hnery 411 Brisbane Corso, Yeronga Hotel proprietor
1958
FIDLER Beth May 75 Indooroopilly Road, Taringa HD
FIDLER Ronald Henry 75 Indooroopilly Road, Taringa Broker
1963
FIDLER Beth May 6 Albert Avenue, Broadbeach HD
FIDLER Ronald Henry 6 Albert Avenue, Broadbeach Estate Agent
1972
FIDLER Beth May 110 Francis Street, Bondi HD
FIDLER Ronald Henry 110 Francis Street, Bondi Dealer
1980
FIDLER Ronald Henry 7 Albert Crescent, Croydon Broker
And
FIDLER Beth May 2 Jonson Street, Byron Bay H
ABN registered to Ronald Henry FIDLER Post code 2479. Traded as Ronald FIDLER. ABN cancelled 21 Mar 2006. Perhaps this is his son.
http://www.auspostcode.com/postcode/2479
Burials
http://www2.mcb.wa.gov.au/NameSearch/details.php?id=FC00037665
http://www2.mcb.wa.gov.au/NameSearch/details.php?id=PC00018454
Cando
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WW2 Service Summary for David
http://www.ww2roll.gov.au/Veteran.aspx?serviceId=A&veteranId=84211
Cando