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Title: Matthew SLATER/ Jean KING
Post by: Ausjules on Tuesday 16 July 13 02:38 BST (UK)
I recently came across the proclamations of matthew slater and jean king.  Jeans in high church and matthews in abbey parish. In matthews proclamation he is listed as a writer residing in hamilton st, and jean living in john st? I cannot find a john st in paisley. I havnt been able to find them in the census records or bdm's, so fingers crossed somebody can help me with this :) i also just read that back in the day occupation 'writer' was a term used for a lawyer? Cheers, julie.
Title: Re. Matthew slater jean king
Post by: Ausjules on Tuesday 16 July 13 03:52 BST (UK)
Sorry, i should have added, according to their proclamations, they were married on the 4th of october 1833 :) thanks, julie.
Title: Re: Matthew SLATER/ Jean KING
Post by: Ausjules on Tuesday 06 August 13 03:00 BST (UK)
Just wanting any other people researching matthew SLATER to know that i found some information in the Scottish post office directories ;D There were 2 matthew Slater's living in Hamilton st. Matthew SLATER jun. writer and Matthew SLATER, starcher, at 19 Smith hills. Also a David SLATER, Warper, 19 Smith hills. Will have to renew my subscription to Scotland's people and check the census records i think :) Cheers, Julie.
Title: Re: Matthew SLATER/ Jean KING
Post by: Keith Duncan on Friday 11 October 13 12:36 BST (UK)
For interest I believe that this Matthew Slater/Jean King feature in my own family tree. I have a Peter Forrester Slater (tie manufacture) b. 1817, his father was John Slater (b.1790) and his brother was Matthew Slater. It seems both John and Matthew worked in the starching  trade. Matthew junior was married to Jean King in 1833 as you have it, and his siblings were Maria and Margaret (m. 1832) Michael Houston.

For reference, some of my own family history is available at https://sites.google.com/site/keithmduncan/home (https://sites.google.com/site/keithmduncan/home)
 
Title: Re: Matthew SLATER/ Jean KING
Post by: seekthem on Sunday 13 October 13 15:16 BST (UK)
John Street in Paisley no longer exists.  My grandfather was born in John St which was at the westend roughly where the new road takes you down to the gasworks and the roundabout at the Underwood Rd/Well St end.
Title: Re: Matthew SLATER/ Jean KING
Post by: Keith Duncan on Sunday 13 October 13 17:02 BST (UK)
For info, old maps of the time are available from NLS eg http://maps.nls.uk/view/74400051 (http://maps.nls.uk/view/74400051)  The attached highlights John Street in the West and Hamilton Street to the East. Matthew Slater (sen) appears to have had property on the corner of Hamilton Street/Renfrew Street. Also, although not certain if related, there is a Matthew Slater who was convener of the Town's hospital and seemingly a director of Hutcheson's charity school in Orr Street as per http://digital.nls.uk/directories/browse/pageturner.cfm?id=85242174 (http://digital.nls.uk/directories/browse/pageturner.cfm?id=85242174)
Title: Re: Matthew SLATER/ Jean KING
Post by: LH on Wednesday 16 October 13 09:45 BST (UK)
Hi

Do you happen to have any information on the family of Angus Slater, who in the 1851 Census, gave his birthplace as Paisley, Scotland.  His age is stated as 48, so I expect he was born around 1803.

Cheers
Title: Re: Matthew SLATER/ Jean KING
Post by: Keith Duncan on Saturday 19 October 13 21:26 BST (UK)
Re. Angus Slater -  perhaps this is him https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/XQ99-ZCX (https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/XQ99-ZCX)  looks like further details may be available via http://www.freecen.org.uk/ (http://www.freecen.org.uk/)  (seemingly a Chelsea Pensioner)
Title: Re: Matthew SLATER/ Jean KING
Post by: Keith Duncan on Saturday 19 October 13 21:35 BST (UK)
For interest - the Matthew Slater that married Jean King, he had a cousin Peter Forrester Slater, whose son David Dick Slater went out to Canada, you can read more about him at http://www.thecanadianencyclopedia.com/articles/emc/david-slater (http://www.thecanadianencyclopedia.com/articles/emc/david-slater)
Title: Re: Matthew SLATER/ Jean KING
Post by: Ausjules on Monday 04 November 13 22:22 GMT (UK)
Thank you all replies. There seems to be a lot of Slater's in  paisley ;D just wondering Keith if you know if Matthew Slater SNES wife was Jean brown? There was a jean slater working as a grocer in1831. Also wondering if you have any death dates as I have been unable to track them down. Cheers, Julie.

Title: Re: Matthew SLATER/ Jean KING
Post by: MonicaL on Tuesday 05 November 13 09:20 GMT (UK)
Hi  :)

There are two Matthew Slaters showing in the Wills & Testament section of www.scotlandspeople.gov.uk The dates are the reference dates relating to documents, not death dates.

12/11/1846 - Starcher in Paisley
30/07/1861 - Clerk in Paisley

Matthew, the clerk, I think shows in the Ferrie Household at Seedhill, Paisley Low in 1841. Can't easily see the other Matthew so far in 1841.
Title: Re: Matthew SLATER/ Jean KING
Post by: MonicaL on Tuesday 05 November 13 09:31 GMT (UK)
For interest I believe that this Matthew Slater/Jean King feature in my own family tree. I have a Peter Forrester Slater (tie manufacture) b. 1817, his father was John Slater (b.1790) and his brother was Matthew Slater. It seems both John and Matthew worked in the starching  trade. Matthew junior was married to Jean King in 1833 as you have it, and his siblings were Maria and Margaret (m. 1832) Michael Houston.


Might there be a mix up with generations/lines?

Is this the John Snr you mention - this entry from 1851:

John Slater 60, Starcher (cotton) (master Emplying 10 Men)
Catherine Slater 60, wife
Margret Slater 34
Jane Slater 30
Mathew Slater 26, starcher
Catherine Slater 21

Address: 31 Gauze St, Paisley Abbey

All the Slater daughters and son show as unmarried as at 1851. This can't be the same Matthew marrying Jean King in 1833 you would think.

Similarly, the Margaret Slater who married a Michael Houston may not be the same as the Margaret Slater above, daughter of John and Catherine, who showed as unmarried in 1851. The Houstons show to have had at least 3 children by 1839, the last I can see being in Argyll. First born son showing as Matthew Slater Houston https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/X14C-VY3 ... so certainly family connections!

But then again, I might have got myself in a tiz with all these Slaters in Paisley with similar first names  ;)

Monica 
Title: Re: Matthew SLATER/ Jean KING
Post by: Ausjules on Tuesday 05 November 13 10:19 GMT (UK)
Hi Monica, thank you so much  ;D I loose track of them after Hamilton street. I know that Matthew senior was a starcher. I have found a Matthew sclater/slater on ancestry that married a jean brown and have no documentation proving them to be Matthew juniors parents, only a hunch. Matthew junior and jean king's first child was Jane brown slater, my GGG grandmother. Slater and King seem to be as popular in paisley as smith and Jones in Australia lol ;)
Title: Re: Matthew SLATER/ Jean KING
Post by: MonicaL on Tuesday 05 November 13 10:24 GMT (UK)
What have you got for the early years of Jane Brown Slater? Any census entries?

Monica  :)
Title: Re: Matthew SLATER/ Jean KING
Post by: MonicaL on Tuesday 05 November 13 10:52 GMT (UK)
Julie, could this be Jane with mother Jane King/Slater in 1841 and 1851?

Jennie Slater 29 Seamstress
Jennie Slater 7
William Slater 4
Margaret Slater 13 b. Scotland
Maria Slater 14

Address: Gauze St, Paisley Low

Wondered whether the Margaret and Maria above were the same that Keith mentioned previously?

And for 1851:

Jane Slater 36, widow, Worker In Thread Mill b. Paisley
Jeanie Slater 16 Worker In Thread Mill b. Paisley
Margt Slater 11 b. Paisley
Elizth Slater 5 b. Paisley
Jeanie Slater 8, niece b. Port Glasgow       

Address: 15 Back Row, Abbey Paisley

Your Jane had left for Australia hadn't she by mid 1850s. I wondered whether this was the Elizabeth showing above as daughter of Jane Snr.

Elizabeth Slater, boarder, sewer, 25 b. Paisley, living at 14 Bridge St, Paisley.

Haven't been able to find any of the other births above to even try to confirm the surname of Jane Snr, from both 1841 and 1851.

Can't see anything on deaths post 1855 and the start of official registration in Scotland for mother Jane King which is a pity. If we have the right census entries for 1841 and 1851, likely she died between 1851-54. Might explain why your gg grandmother then felt able to leave Scotland to start a new life after her mother's death?

But, hey, one step at a time!

Monica
Title: Re: Matthew SLATER/ Jean KING
Post by: MonicaL on Tuesday 05 November 13 11:05 GMT (UK)
.... I have found a Matthew sclater/slater on ancestry that married a jean brown and have no documentation proving them to be Matthew juniors parents, only a hunch.

See now what you are looking at...looks promising  :)

John Sclater m. Jean Barr 1777

Parents of at least 9 children of which:

Matthew Sclater b. 1781 who m. Jean Brown 1800...who you think are parents of Matthew Jnr b. 7 Jun 1807 (on SP with mother Jean as BROUN).

John Sclater b. 1790 who m. Catherine Forrester?

Monica
Title: Re: Matthew SLATER/ Jean KING
Post by: Millmoor on Tuesday 05 November 13 11:22 GMT (UK)
Just had a look at a tree on Ancestry which has the marriage of Jane Brown Slater and her death in Australia. Parents named as Mathew Slater and Jane King. Mathew's occupation is given as lawyer. Does this not mean her father was the writer named above not the starcher?

William
Title: Re: Matthew SLATER/ Jean KING
Post by: Ausjules on Tuesday 05 November 13 11:45 GMT (UK)
The writer Matthew slater junior is Jane browns father, I have his marriage cert to jean king stating he lived in Hamilton st. Then I found him in the 1831 Scottish directory living in Hamilton st with another Matthew slater who was a start her at 19 smith hills along with a David slater, warped. Oh my god Monica  :-* you are amazing, thank you  so much. Jane brown slater b.1834 arrived in Melbourne 1854 on the hornet. I wondered why a 20 yro woman would travel to the other side of the world alone. How terribly sad.
Title: Re: Matthew SLATER/ Jean KING
Post by: Millmoor on Tuesday 05 November 13 11:46 GMT (UK)
There is a family notice in the Paisley Herald and Renfrewshire Advertiser 12/4/1856 which refers to the late Matthew Slater, writer Paisley. ( From newspaper archive on FindMyPast). Only able to see snippet view as don't subscribe to FindMyPast. Perhaps some kind soul could oblige.

William
Title: Re: Matthew SLATER/ Jean KING
Post by: MonicaL on Tuesday 05 November 13 11:55 GMT (UK)
That is a great find William!

Trying to find anything about him so far has been tricky as you have found Julie.
Title: Re: Matthew SLATER/ Jean KING
Post by: Ausjules on Tuesday 05 November 13 12:22 GMT (UK)
Thank you thank you William   ;D  I also just found a post on roots chat  regarding a M.I lookup for paisley, but am unable to link it - Abbey churchyard john slater w jean Barr and heirs 1820. Unfortunately it is quite late here but I can't wait to research all of this new information in the morning :D
Title: Re: Matthew SLATER/ Jean KING
Post by: Millmoor on Tuesday 05 November 13 12:40 GMT (UK)
Julie

I don't know which directories you have looked at but there are a number of Paisley directories on the National Library of Scotland site for the 1840's and 1850's ( Fowlers) and more for the 1860's.

Matthew Slater the starcher is referred to in the early ones with the address 20 Smith hills and home 3 Hamilton Street. After his death in the 1848 edition John Slater is listed as Starcher at 20 Smith hills with his home at 31 Gauze Street. In 1851 his home is given as 7 Gauze Street. A Miss Slater is listed as a dressmaker at the same address.

I could not find a reference to Matthew the writer in any of these directories.

William
Title: Re: Matthew SLATER/ Jean KING
Post by: MonicaL on Tuesday 05 November 13 12:59 GMT (UK)
Julie, some other stuff for the morning....!

You might want to check further on the Elizabeth Slater who showed as daughter of Jane Slater in 1851, born c. 1846 in Paisley. We have her in 1851 and 1861.

I think she may have married a Matthew (I know, another!) GUY https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/XYQ3-W48 in 1865. They left for the US a couple of years laters. These are some census entries for them in Clinton, Worcester, Massachusetts:

1870 https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/MDQZ-M1F - I hope that Jane Neilson, aged 56, is not going to blow my theory here!
1880 https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/MHF3-6C7 - one daughter seems to be called Jane and second born son is Matthew, which could fit very well with Scottish naming pattern if they used it.
1900 https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/M9BM-RV1
1910 https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/M22F-VMS
1920 https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/MF9V-C5C
1930 https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/XQRB-9NV - daughter Jane shows as Jane K (hoping that was King  ::))

Anyhow...best place to start would be by checking that 1865 marriage for Elizabeth Slater to let you confirm her parents' names and see what it says further about father's occupation (if the correct family we are looking at).

At some point too later, the Will & Testament entries on SP may also be worth considering looking at to see what else they can add.

Monica
Title: Re: Matthew SLATER/ Jean KING
Post by: Millmoor on Tuesday 05 November 13 13:52 GMT (UK)
Just to add to what Monica has found. The birth of their eldest son James Guy was in Paisley and is on family search. The births of their children in Mass. are also on Family Search with images. One of them has a middle name transcribed as Denight. Wonder if that is meant to be Knight? Looking at the image it is difficult to say.

There is also a death for young Matthew at the age of 4 as the result of an accident.

William
Title: Re: Matthew SLATER/ Jean KING
Post by: Ausjules on Tuesday 05 November 13 22:57 GMT (UK)
Thank you both again  :) I found Matthew slater jun. writer - house Hamilton st by googleing it lol  It says: Scottish Post Office Directories > Counties >Renfrewshire >1832-1833-Historical and descriptive sketches of the towns and principal villages in the Upper Ward of Renfrewshire. Page 116. I'm thinking I might trawl through the census records and see if I can find any King's in John St. Lots of new info for me to search through today, very exciting  ;D The jean Jane jennies are confusing me too haha. I have a feeling that William may be jean brown Slater's brother and that may lead to jean/Jane kings father being a william, oops, I am getting ahead of myself    ::)
Title: Re: Matthew SLATER/ Jean KING
Post by: MonicaL on Wednesday 06 November 13 09:09 GMT (UK)
Hi Julie

Just some links to help with your research.

The Scottish love first name variants. Some obvious, some less so. Jane/Jean is one of the most commonly varied. This is a great site for first name variants, with a particular bias towards Scottish first names - www.whatsinaname.net Just insert the name Jean in the top left corner, you will see how this name had so many variants.

William has mentioned PO directories.

Post Office Directories for the Renfrewshire area - www.nls.uk/family-history/directories/post-office/index.cfm?place=Renfrewshire and www.nls.uk/family-history/directories/post-office/index.cfm?place=Greenock  New release of later directories here http://archive.org/search.php?query=collection%3Ascottishdirectories&sort=-publicdate (main link here www.nls.uk/family-history/directories/post-office).

www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=506233.0 for further links to Renfrewshire.

Regarding possible brother William, he may not have lived much past the 1841 census entry we think we have for them. Can't see any trace of him after this date. There are a couple of possibilities for a Jean King, father William b. in Paisley area around the right time on https://familysearch.org/search, but really, hard to be more definitive for now isn't without some more info on her.

Monica  :)
Title: Re: Matthew SLATER/ Jean KING
Post by: Millmoor on Wednesday 06 November 13 09:27 GMT (UK)
Hi Julie

Here is one more for you

1861 census Address 7 Ganze (Gauze?) St

John Slater 70 Retired starcher
Margaret Slater 42 Daughter
Jane B Slater 30 Daughter (seems to be same age as the 1851 census which Monica posted)

Only other possible census entry I can see for any of the above is for Margaret in 1891 recorded as sister in law of Thomas Linn who I think married Margaret's sister Catherine.

William

Title: Re: Matthew SLATER/ Jean KING
Post by: Millmoor on Wednesday 06 November 13 10:07 GMT (UK)
Hi Julie

I would suggest you have a look at the Old Parish Records Deaths on Scotlands People. I did a search for Slaters in Renfrewshire and the following deaths all came up in Abbey Parish Paisley.

Matthew 15/12/1845

Matthew 10/4/1850

Jane 29/8/1854

Jean 28/12/1848

William 11/4/1851

William
Title: Re: Matthew SLATER/ Jean KING
Post by: jonn on Wednesday 06 November 13 11:57 GMT (UK)
Just a little pointer regarding the 1841. put up earlier regarding the Jennie Slater, and family.

On Scotlandspeople the family listed has no William Slater, aged 4 years, instead its a Hellen Slater, aged 4 years, also Margaret Slater, is aged 3 years, and Maria Slater, is aged 1m.

Regards,
Jonn.
Title: Re: Matthew SLATER/ Jean KING
Post by: MonicaL on Wednesday 06 November 13 14:23 GMT (UK)
Thanks Jonn  :) Just seen what you mean on FreeCen. No point chasing for ghosts is there with wrong info...hard enough a lot of the time when the names are correctly transcribed!

Jonn's new details for the family in 1841 make more sense of what we had potentially for them in 1851:


Jane Slater 36, widow, Worker In Thread Mill b. Paisley
Jeanie Slater 16 Worker In Thread Mill b. Paisley
Margt Slater 11 b. Paisley
Elizth Slater 5 b. Paisley
Jeanie Slater 8, niece b. Port Glasgow       

Address: 15 Back Row, Abbey Paisley

Looks like we are missing a Helen and a Maria from the family by 1851....

Monica
Title: Re: Matthew SLATER/ Jean KING
Post by: MonicaL on Wednesday 06 November 13 14:54 GMT (UK)
Julie, we are all enjoying your family research and keep on wanting to add a little more, here and there  ;)

In support of the occupation of Writer (I am also thinking maybe perhaps Clerk to Writer given that possible 1841 census entry previously posted for a Matthew Slater, Clerk).

This looks to be a sibling to Matthew Jnr http://i-83-67-41-189.freedom2surf.net/fam47337.htm

John and wife Grace show below in 1851. It was his occupation that I found interesting and wondered whether both brothers, John and Matthew entered into an apprenticeship under the tutelage of a local Writer? Guess only!

1851:

John Slater 42 Writer's Clerk
Grace Slater 32, Formerly Muslin Sewer, b. Kilwinning Ayrshire
Margaret Slater 9
Jane Brown Slater 7
Agness Fife Slater 6
Mathew Slater 4
Grace Slater 2
William Slater 5 Months
Maria Cook 27, sister
John Cook 24 brother in law, Engineer Iron Turner
John Cook 11 Months newphew b. Edinburgh

Address: 6 Renfrew Street, Paisley Abbey Church

Monica
Title: Re: Matthew SLATER/ Jean KING
Post by: Millmoor on Wednesday 06 November 13 15:28 GMT (UK)
I agree with you Monica. This is an enjoyable family to research.

Couldn't resist downloading the death for Matthew in 1850. The details are as follows

10 April 1850 Matthew Slater Back Sneddon Street Writer Cause of death Consumption Age 43. (This would give a birth year of c 1807).

The above age muddies the water further as the age given in the 1841 census  for Mathew Slater clerk is 25. Found the entry on freecen which has him in the Ferrie household. It took ages to locate him on ancestry - there he is in the household of William Reust, an accountant. Mathew has been transcribed as Slates!

William
Title: Re: Matthew SLATER/ Jean KING
Post by: Millmoor on Wednesday 06 November 13 16:12 GMT (UK)
Well curiosity has really got the better of me! And I think it was worth it!

The newspaper extract states " At 5 Sir Michael Street on the 2nd inst Helen youngest daughter of Mr James Wilson : also at the same place on the 21st ault Margaret 3rd daughter of Mr Matthew Slater writer Paisley.

Moving on to SP Margaret's death record  shows parents as Matthew Slater writers clerk deceased and Jane Wilson formerly Slater Maiden name King. Margaret died of consumption. The informant was her stepfather James Wilson.

So the hunt is now for James and Jane Wilson. If you can locate her death that will give you her parents names for sure!

Willoiam

Title: Re: Matthew SLATER/ Jean KING
Post by: MonicaL on Wednesday 06 November 13 16:14 GMT (UK)
Oh my William  :o There is Matthew at last! Sad it's his death though  :-\ Well done!

Monica
Title: Re: Matthew SLATER/ Jean KING
Post by: MonicaL on Wednesday 06 November 13 16:15 GMT (UK)
Sorry, crossed over with the next post  :P

It is all falling into place a lot more for sure. When was young Margaret's death?

Monica
Title: Re: Matthew SLATER/ Jean KING
Post by: jonn on Wednesday 06 November 13 16:30 GMT (UK)

The couple had a daughter Helen Wilson, born 23 Jan/1855. that name Helen, again.

Regards Jonn.
Title: Re: Matthew SLATER/ Jean KING
Post by: MonicaL on Wednesday 06 November 13 16:36 GMT (UK)
Lucky it was in 1855 and all the extra info that may provide  :) Odd that Jane shows under Slater rather than King https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/FQ42-4SH as is the norm....but at this stage we are happy with all the new info for sure  ;)

Monica
Title: Re: Matthew SLATER/ Jean KING
Post by: Millmoor on Wednesday 06 November 13 16:38 GMT (UK)
Margaret died 21 March 1856. Presumably that is the Helen in the death notice who Jonn has given the birth for.

Now struggling to see them in 1861 census!

William
Title: Re: Matthew SLATER/ Jean KING
Post by: MonicaL on Wednesday 06 November 13 16:50 GMT (UK)
You have prompted me to look again at that birth/death notice you found earlier, William. Using the address given for Baby Helen, I think this is James Wilson, with what looks like a previous wife/family at the same address...might help with further searches for James with Jean King.

From 1851:

James Wilson 51, Hand Loom Weaver (cotton) b. Paisley
Mary Wilson 51
Thomas Wilson 20
Charles Wilson 16
Agnes Wilson 14
John Wilson 12
Jessie Wilson 10

Address: 5 Sir Michael St, Paisley High Church

Monica

Title: Re: Matthew SLATER/ Jean KING
Post by: MonicaL on Wednesday 06 November 13 16:56 GMT (UK)
OK, this looks like the 1861 census entry we need (as transcribed, with the usual mis-transcription!):

James Wilson 60, shawl weaver
Jean Wilson 59
Elizabeath Stater 15 Stepdaughter, Steam Loom Weaver...so here is Elizabeth!
Isbella King 10, niece (will help further with Jean King's family)
Christian Campbell 25 lodger, Cotton Trieel (as transcribed) Factory
Jean King Campbell 4 Months lodger's daughter https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/FQ42-K6T
John Campbell 15 lodger

Address: 5 Sir Michael St, Paisley

Monica
Title: Re: Matthew SLATER/ Jean KING
Post by: Millmoor on Wednesday 06 November 13 17:01 GMT (UK)
You beat me to it Monica. Using the ages in 1861 for James and Jean ( Jane) cannot see them in 1871!

William
Title: Re: Matthew SLATER/ Jean KING
Post by: MonicaL on Wednesday 06 November 13 17:22 GMT (UK)
Me too so far  :-\ Struggling also with a death for Jean, with a good peppering on wild cards for spellings and variants.

Just realised also, baby Helen must have died pre 1861? She doesn't show in the household entry at Sir Michael Street does she? Also, think Jean King/Slater/Wilson looks a tad older that she should be in 1861. From her age then born 1802 rather than c. 1815 or so we had earlier.

Another thought, with not finding easily a death for her post 1861....could the Jane NILSON, living with Elizabeth and Matthew GUY in Clinton, MASS, USA be a mistrascription of Jane WILSON? That Jane showed as aged 56 in 1870, so age would fit with what we had seen on earlier census, except that 1861 entry.

Hopefully that Guy/Slater Glasgow marriage details might help further.

Monica
Title: Re: Matthew SLATER/ Jean KING
Post by: MonicaL on Wednesday 06 November 13 17:36 GMT (UK)
Not a betting girl  ::) 8) but I would put money on this being WILSON rather than NILSON in 1870 in the Matthew and Elizabeth GUY houshold in Clinton.
Title: Re: Matthew SLATER/ Jean KING
Post by: Millmoor on Wednesday 06 November 13 17:38 GMT (UK)
Helen was presumably the Helen I posted in the death notice from the newsapaper and so also died in 1856.

Cant check for a death for Jane Wilson in Mass as Family Search. For some reason getting a  blank page when it says it is giving me results.

William
Title: Re: Matthew SLATER/ Jean KING
Post by: MonicaL on Wednesday 06 November 13 17:42 GMT (UK)
I haven't been able to find a death for her either  :-\ Been checking a database called Massachusetts, Death Records, 1841-1915 which includes also images but nothing showing.

Did try to search yesterday for a shipping manifest for the Guys and Jane 'NILSON' but failed so not sure what port they may have arrived at. From one of their census entries, their migration year was given as 1868 which fitted well with the birth years of their children.

Sorry William, missed the fact that the newspaper mention was also a death for Baby Helen, alongside Margaret Slater's death notice around the same time.

Monica
Title: Re: Matthew SLATER/ Jean KING
Post by: MonicaL on Wednesday 06 November 13 18:36 GMT (UK)
We aren't digressing into different related lines, just pleased, Julie, that the main Slater line is getting robust for you!

With this in mind, just trying to firm up the Clinton, Mass family of Elizabeth Slater and Matthew Guy. From his children's names and census details back in Renfrewshire, I thought his parents were James Guy and Barbara Muir.

There is a death showing on Mass death database for a Barbara Muir/Guy, born c. 1808 who died on 23 January 1888 of old age. A widow, with parents called William and Elizabeth. Also a possible sister to James, a Marion Young Guy born abt 1845 who died in 1891. All deaths in Clinton MASS.

Hopefully, the marriage cert from SP for Matthew Guy and Elizabeth Slater will let you firm this up properly.

Monica

PS: Pain we cannot find Jean King/Slater/Wilson's death so far.... :-\
Title: Re: Matthew SLATER/ Jean KING
Post by: MonicaL on Wednesday 06 November 13 18:52 GMT (UK)
Double pain!! Just found this:

Jane Wilson King, born about 1811, died 3 Jan 1887 in Clinton...and the database I am viewing is gone into IT spin....booo!

No parents' names showing on the index which doesn't fill me with hope that the image will have this info. In fact, I think we can say (once the database comes back on) that 99% likely that no parents' names are included on that death registration  :'( I am holding on to that 1% hope as I always do, though!

William, is this the one that you found earlier but couldn't view either?

Monica

Title: Re: Matthew SLATER/ Jean KING
Post by: Millmoor on Wednesday 06 November 13 19:05 GMT (UK)
No Family search has been playing up for me all day. It keeps saying whatever I search for that it has found so many records and then the rest of the page is blank. It would actually be reassuring if it wasn't just me!

William
Title: Re: Matthew SLATER/ Jean KING
Post by: MonicaL on Wednesday 06 November 13 20:00 GMT (UK)
Update...systems back on...

Jane Wilson, maiden name King, died in Clinton of 'old age' aged 76 on 23 January 1888 (born therefore c. 1811-2 or thereabouts!). Born in Scotland. Parents... :'(
Title: Re: Matthew SLATER/ Jean KING
Post by: Ausjules on Wednesday 06 November 13 20:26 GMT (UK)
  :o oh my gosh  ;D I have literally just woken up, and what a lovely surprise to wake up too! I can see the house work suffering today lol I cannot thank you both enough  :) my slater/king line has been dormant for so long.  I also found a different Jane brown slater who married 28.10.1870 John Coates Niven in High church. Also a Jane brown slater that had a child john Christie in DEC 1863! A cousin to mine I would think. What a confusing line  :) I can guarantee their will be no confusion when my descendants are researching us...although they may have trouble spelling my daughter's name 'schuylar'  :) again, thank you thank you both so much.
Title: Re: Matthew SLATER/ Jean KING
Post by: Millmoor on Thursday 07 November 13 10:37 GMT (UK)
A liitle more on directories. The national library of Scotland also has Fowlers directories for Renfrewshire in the 1830's.

1831 -32 has Mat Slater at 19 Smith Hills ho Hamilton Street. At the same address is listed David Slater warper
1834 -35 has Matthew at 20 Smith Hills No David
1836 -37 both David and Matthew at 20 Smith Hills

There are also Pigotts directories on Ancestry. 1825 -26 has Matt Slater starcher 19 Old Smith Hills while 1837 has Matther Slater at 20 Smith Hills.


Do let us know if you uncover anything more.

Regards

William
Title: Re: Matthew SLATER/ Jean KING
Post by: Ausjules on Thursday 07 November 13 11:14 GMT (UK)
Thank you so much William  :) I found a family tree on the mundia site and have sent some messages to them. They had a Matthew slater born 1807 to  Mathew sclater b. 20.5.1781 in paisley married jean Barr 8.1.1800. Their children were Margaret sclater 1801, Jane sclater 1803 married henry fyfe,  john sclater 1805-15th July 1864, Mathew 1807(which fits in with the death date),  Margaret 1810 and Elizabeth 1813. 
Mathew sclater's parent's :
John Sclater b. 19.9.1756 married 22.8.1777 to jean Barr.
Apparently slaters/sclaters only married Jean's ::)
Making for lots of jean/Jane slaters and their descendants.
I am trawling through some old paisley records and have some leads on the Willson connection. I will let you know for sure  ;D
It is Jane/Jean King that I am most interested in because she is the mother of my mum's mum's mum's mum's mum's mum lol
Title: Re: Matthew SLATER/ Jean KING
Post by: MonicaL on Thursday 07 November 13 11:47 GMT (UK)
Jean King is going to prove tricky. With lack of parents' details from her Clinton death registration, we are still looking at best guesses so far.

A few thoughts:

Curious who the Catherine Campbell is who showed in the Wilson household for 1861. As we saw, also in the household, she had named her illegitimated daughter Jane King Campbell....why?!

Also from the 1861 census, the other lead showing was the 10yr old niece staying with the Wilsons, Isabel King born in Paisley. Her parentage may lead to you sibling of Jean King (assuming the term niece is correctly being used, wasn't always).

Jonn mentioned earlier the using again of the name Helen/Ellen for Jean King's daughters. Worth keeping in mind for possible close King family names.

Monica
Title: Re: Matthew SLATER/ Jean KING
Post by: Millmoor on Thursday 07 November 13 11:51 GMT (UK)
As Monica suggested finding more about Isbella King, the niece in the 1861 census may be a way of finding more about the King side. I cannot see a birth for her. There is a birth for the daughter of Christian Campbell, the lodger Jean King Campbell. She was illegitimate. Perhaps if you find a marriage or a death for Isbella King it would tell you the names of her parents. Presumably the father was a brother of Jean King.

William

See that Monica has had the same thoughts!
Title: Re: Matthew SLATER/ Jean KING
Post by: MonicaL on Thursday 07 November 13 21:38 GMT (UK)
Have had another go to try and find Isabella King from 1861...but failed to make any headway  :-\

One thing I have realised though.William, we found the birth of a son for Matthew Guy and Elizabeth Slater in Clinton, indexed as George Denight Guy. Think you were right with the Knight reference. Julie's ggg, Jane Slater married a George Dyer KNIGHT in Australia. I am guessing, Elizabeth and Matthew Guy called their son after him, but the Knight surname got mistranscribed.

Monica
Title: Re: Matthew SLATER/ Jean KING
Post by: Millmoor on Thursday 07 November 13 22:01 GMT (UK)
I had a go earlier today at looking for Isabella. Found a marriage to a Ninian McLeod but turned out it was the wrong Isabella (she was with family in 1861). Had a look to see if she might have gone with the Guys and Jean to Mass. but that did not work either! Cannot see a death before 1871 in Renfrewshire. Shame!

William
Title: Re: Matthew SLATER/ Jean KING
Post by: annalaura on Monday 20 October 14 08:16 BST (UK)
I found this forum when researching my family history. Jane Brown Knight (nee Slater born in 1835) was my ggg grandmother. I was interested to see she was born in Paisley, a place I regularly visit as it is my husband's home town. I was also interested in why she might have decided to come to Australia in the mid 1800's on her own.
Title: Re: Matthew SLATER/ Jean KING
Post by: Keith Duncan on Wednesday 17 April 24 10:40 BST (UK)
Extract from part of the will of Matthew Slater d.1846 in which he refers to his son Matthew and his wife Jean King.