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Scotland (Counties as in 1851-1901) => Scotland => West Lothian (Linlithgowshire) => Topic started by: goldie61 on Friday 19 July 13 00:59 BST (UK)
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Hi
Does anyone know where "Wester Reeves" is/was near Whitburn please?
I have a couple of baptisms of James Wood's daughters from the old parish registers in 1807 and 1809 which gives Wester Reeves (I think) after his name. Can't find an entry for Margaret in 1814 though - any ideas where would be the next closest place?
Many thanks
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Goldie, there's a Reveston House just south of Whitburn?
Skoosh.
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Could it have been a farm.
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Looks like you're near it Skoosh - Reeves is just to the NE of Reveston House on an old map. Will see if I can get the link.
Gadget
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Hi,
The postcode is EH47 9AN, think it must have been a farm, there was a north reeves and south reeves, also.
http://www.zoopla.co.uk/property/wester-reeves/whitburn/bathgate/eh47-9an/8300797
Tom
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I can't seem to link the old map but this link gives you the approx position of Reeves on a modern map:
http://www.rootschat.com/links/0vdx/
Gadget
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Hi,
The postcode is EH47 9AN, think it must have been a farm, there was anorth and south reeves, also.
http://www.zoopla.co.uk/property/wester-reeves/whitburn/bathgate/eh47-9an/8300797
Tom
I did wonder tidybooks. I was just going on personal experience. I had family farmed near Strathloanhead and their farm was Middle Strath. A few fields away RCer Mosstrooper's family farmed at Wester Strath.
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The Streetmap position is misleading - it puts Reeves in the middle of a housing estate about half a mile to the east. Reeves is at National Grid reference NS 941 639.
Go to http://www.geograph.org.uk/gridref/NS9463 and click on the map to enlarge it. Reeves is marked but not named on the maps. It is north of the road leading from the A706 to Reveston House, about a third of the way along (or two-thirds if you are starting from Reveston House.
Move your cursor around there until the reference at the top of the map box reads NS 94151 63946 and you'll be right on top of it.
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Thanks for giving the full reference, Forfarian :)
The arrow was a rough approximation (as I said) of Reeves from a different map onto the modern one*. I've not done any mapwork (apart from hillwalking and car navigation) since I was 18 so I'm a bit rusty ;D ;D ;D ;D
However, I see that my arrow wasn't all that far out and it does seem to be close to the housing estate.
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I see that my arrow wasn't all that far out and it does seem to be close to the housing estate.
Yes, it's quite close, but it would be a pity for someone to think it has been razed and built over when it hasn't ;)
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However, we were trying to identify Wester Reeves :)
The Royal Mail postcode finder (see Tom's post, above) pin points Wester Reeves fairly accurately.
Goldie, go to http://www.royalmail.com/postcode-finder/ and enter Wester Reeves in Building names and Whitburn in Town. The resulting map shows the location.
Gadget
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The postcode finder points to exactly where Reeves is on the map. So it would appear that they are at the same location.
The Mid-Victorian six-inch map names it as plain Reeves. It's not uncommon for places to change their names over time.
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Hi All,
Here are some of the addresses that share the postcode.
North Reeves Whitburn, BATHGATE, EH47 9AN
Northfield Whitburn, BATHGATE, EH47 9AN
Reeves Cottage Whitburn, BATHGATE, EH47 9AN
Reveston Cottage Whitburn, BATHGATE, EH47 9AN
Reveston House Whitburn, BATHGATE, EH47 9AN
Rowallan Whitburn, BATHGATE, EH47 9AN
South Reeves Whitburn, BATHGATE, EH47 9AN
Wester Reeves Whitburn, BATHGATE, EH47 9AN
...and on this hot day, can I suggest the only Reeves missing is Jim.
Shocking!
Tom
Its OK got a nice cool glass of water in hand, will change to alcohol later, when ensconced in pub.
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...and on this hot day, can I suggest the only Reeves missing is Jim.
Don't forget Martha ;D
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Spect he's gone to the pub already, George - with or without Martha ;D
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Hi George,
Forgot about Martha, my mother's name too.
Tom
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Many thanks everybody.
I tried it on Google maps but it didn't recognise the name.
NEver thought about the Post code site. Good idea for another time.
Have a good time with Jim and Martha - ho! ;D
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Goldie, check this from the West Lothian FHS, http://www.wlfhs.org.uk/phpBB3/viewforum.php?f=15 enter Meek & Wood in the searchbox. Also, Wood the baker.
Are your Wood's related to this Whitburn family of bakers, one of whom was the provost? If so we're probably related somewhere?
Skoosh.
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Hi Skoosh
Thanks for the link to the Whitburn site.
At present I can’t link my James Wood – he has been one of my brick walls for over 30 years! And I still can’t get any further with him.
He married Helen Black 5 July 1807 at Whitburn – the ‘marriage ‘ image from SP is actually on the ‘Charges’ page of the book – it cost them 2/6d. No other info at all on the entry.
I then have 2 baptisms of daughters at Whitburn in 1807 & 1809 ‘ in Wester Reeves’. 1807 one is 1st August, so they only just made the marriage in time! Can’t find Margaret born about 1814 who also says from Censuses she was born Whitburn.
They then move to Paisley where 3 more children (I have found) are born, Jean 1820, William about 1826 & Helen about 1828 – only one of which (Jean) I can find their baptism, at Abbey. No clue as to James’ profession
By 1841, these 5 children are living together in Paisley – no sign of any parents, so am presuming they are dead, or poss moved away, but they would be over 60 years old by 1841.All children working in associated jobs in the cotton industry. At the death of his youngest daughter in 1892, James is down as a ‘farmer’. If he was ‘a ‘farmer’, I wonder why he would move to the city about 1818?
With common names, lack of records before 1855, especially death records, and moving from place to place, he has been very difficult to follow.
I see there are Wood families in Torpichen and Linlithgow near Whitburn, but impossible to tie them in.
Any ideas gratefully received!
:P
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Goldie, there was a recession following the Napoleonic Wars which possibly explains the move from the farm into a cotton mill.
There was a James Wood 79, d. Bathgate, 20 Aug' 1881, a joiner, b.Harthill.
You might try a post on the WLFHS site, I think a years sub' is about a tenner?
Skoosh.
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Thanks a lot for the tip about WLFHS Skoosh.
Not sure where the James Wood died 1881 aged 79 Bathgate would fit in - my James was married 1807, so must have been born about 1780/5 prob. Maybe a cousin? It has to be a pretty common name! :-\
Gotta keep looking!
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Hi, I too am searching these people! My link is Janet Wood; James Wood and Helen Black's second daughter. I think James was in the military; when he got out he was a cow feeder living in Paisley?! My Janet was married in Paisley in 1833 to a Neil McGregor. Would love to compare info. Susan
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It is some time since I looked at this family, so I will have to go back and look at my notes.
I do remember I could never find James or his wife in the 1841 Census.
My guess is both he and his wife Helen Black died before the census.
There is a Helen Wood buried 1838 in Paisley, but it's hard to know if this is her.
I can't find any baptism for her in Whitburn or surrounding areas.
Or a baptism for James Wood.
Looking at my notes, they were married 1807 in Whitburn, so possibly born about 1880/1890.
They must have moved to Paisley between 1814 and 1820. Daughter Margaret was born in 1814 in Whitburn, and daughter Jane in 1820 in Paisley. Have you found any others between these two?
I have Mary 1807, (baptised less than a months after they were married), Janet 1809, Margaret 1814, Jane 1820, William about 1822, and Helen about 1828. Margaret, William and Helen's baptisms not found. Helen married Michael Cochran 1850 in Paisley. She died in 1892, parents given as James Wood 'farmer', and Helen Wood, maiden name Black.
Mary born in 1807, married John Mclntyre and died in 1889 in Paisley (John McIntyre was already dead). Her parents given as James Wood, 'cowfeeder', and Helen Wood maiden name Black. The informant of her death is Michael Cochran "Brother in law".
William born about 1822, died in 1905 in Dunbarton. Parents given as James Wood, 'cowfeeder' and Helen Wood maiden name 'Blackwood', which is interesting. William's son, another James Wood, was the informant. It's not difficult to imagine he was unsure of her name. Both of these grandparents would have been dead many, many years before he was born. It's also entirely possibly she used both Black, and Wood, as names from time to time, as married women did in Scotland. Maybe she ran them both together and became 'Blackwood'?
What is the information about her parents on your Janet's death certificate?
What makes you think James was in the military?
I haven't come across anything to suggest this.
The baptisms in Whitburn of Mary in 1807 and Janet of 1809, give him 'of Wester Reeves' - the initial query on this post. Plus the death certificates of three of his children give him as a 'farmer' or 'cowfeeder'.
Most likely a small farm near Whitburn.
It's probably a better idea to continue this on email rather than write reams here.
If you'd like to send me your email address on a Private Message, I'll tell you about some other stuff I have found.