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Wales (Counties as in 1851-1901) => Wales => Merionethshire => Topic started by: jones9 on Sunday 21 July 13 18:31 BST (UK)
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I'm trying to find a will/some other document to find out the parents of a Thomas Jones who died in Trewyn, Corwen in 1719 (Will dated 1720). He was a Yeoman who farmed a place called 'Ty Isa' - hoping this can help find his parents! I estimate he would have been born ca.1660.
Thomas Jones married a Margaret Roberts and had the following children: John Thomas Jones b.1687 who live in Carrog, and a Catherine, Hugh, Elizabeth & Margaret.
I've found a wealth of information here: http://www.gwynedd.gov.uk/datrhagorolnet/RhestrEitem.aspx?iaith=en&rhif_archif=12&rhif_rhiant=61745&maint_testun=100&cyferbyniad=&rhif_tudalen=1
just can't match anything up!
Ty Isa is somewhere between Trewyn/Llygadog/Carrog - if anyone can find it on the map or knows anything about this place it would be a great help too!
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I've found a place called Ty Isa.Go west on this map from Carrog past Plas-yn-Bonwm Farm till you come near to what is given as a disused railway line,it is just past Plas Derwen and before Colemendy Lodge.
http://www.old-maps.co.uk/maps.html?coords=311200,343600
Regards
William Russell Jones
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WRJ,
Thanks again for your help in finding this. Do you know perhaps which area this comes under? Would it be Trewyn or is that just the area north of the river?
Many thanks,
Jones9
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Have you seen his will on the NLW site ?
Cut and paste this -
http://cat.llgc.org.uk/cgi-bin/gw/chameleon?sessionid=2013072400114311167&skin=profeb&lng=en&inst=consortium&host=localhost%2b9901%2bDEFAULT&patronhost=localhost%209901%20DEFAULT&searchid=1&sourcescreen=INITREQ&pos=1&itempos=1&rootsearch=SCAN&function=INITREQ&search=AUTHID&authid=7154124&authidu=1003
Sam
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I can't find Trewyn but the Ty Isa I found would be about halfway between Carrog and Corwen.
Regards
William Russell Jones.
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Sam - thanks for finding this will, as always very much appreciated!
WRJ - Many thanks too for looking this up.
Here's another place I need to decipher: Bodginvel. It should be somewhere in the Corwen area, I think possibly a small township/house. If anyone knows what it could be then let me know!
Jones0
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If you have FindMyPast you can get an idea of the extent of "Trewyn" by using this as the address search term in the 1841 or 1851 census.The properties generally are between Clawdd Poncen and Carrog(e.g. Pentre Trewyn).The list does not include a Ty Isa but the addresses are obviously close to the one WRJ identified.If you go to www.old-maps.co.uk and use the search term "Ty Isa" you will find five listed as Corwen (I think the WRJ one is Holyhead Road)
Regards
Roger
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Ty Isa just outside Corwen
http://map.coflein.gov.uk/index.php?action=do_details&numlink=265154&cache_name=cG5tcnNuYW1lLGNvcndlbl9zZWFyY2h0eXBlLGFkdmFuY2VkX29yYQ==
If "Bodginvael" is in the Corwen area, could it be Bro Dinmael. Bro is Welsh for Area or district, so it would translate as Dinmael District, the area or district in which "Dinamel" is situated.
http://cy.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dinmael (can click on "English" version to a part of the translated paragraph).
Sam
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Thanks for your replies!
Those websites with old maps are really useful, I didn't know about them before!
I'm not so sure about that unknown place though. I found it mentioned on the Rhagorol catalogue again and all the other places seem to be farms/townships, so I'm trying to find a small farm or similar with a similar name. Does anyone know where I can find a list of such place names, such as what Despair mentioned?
I no longer have access to FindMyPast unfortunately but any suggestions for finding this place are welcome.
Thanks,
Jones9
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In what context/document does Bodginvel appear?
Regards
Roger
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Roger,
Here's the link: http://www.gwynedd.gov.uk/datrhagorolnet/RhestrEitem.aspx?iaith=en&rhif_archif=12&rhif_rhiant=61907&maint_testun=100&cyferbyniad=
I'm curious about where this place is now - I'm just pursuing the line to eliminate possibilities and bodginvel doesn't appear to be a real place - there are a lot of transcription errors on this website though.
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The previous item(XD2/964) to your link features the same person with an interest in the township of Ddol.I suspect this may be the same as Dol ac Aberalwen which features in the 1841 census of Corwen district,again approximately Clawdd Poncen.
You did mention previously,I think a Waen Fawr.This is in Dol ac Aberalwen in the 1841 census occupied by Robert Jones,given born 1781(no doubt rounded).
I can't find a Bodginvel yet but this seems to possibly be the right area.
The items are from 1597,so plenty of time for significant variants or change of name.I suspect it is a property name,but have no evidence.
Regards
Roger
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Roger,
I've looked up Robert Jones baptisms and found one in 1778, son of John Jones of WaenFawr - most likely the son of the same John Jones of Waen Fawr who I mentioned earlier.
I think that Griffith ap Thomas was of Dol - most likely DolAberalwen like you say, but then his father was of this Bodginvell place. As I said this could all be the wrong line but in the interest of eliminating the line or anything else I'm curious if whether this place could be somewhere else either locally or otherwise.
I'll update this thread if I find anything else!
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I can only find one other reference to Bodginvel at the moment.It is in a document of 1738 in the "Archives and Manuscripts"(archives catalogued before 1999-same page as Wales Marriage bonds option) at NLW
It refers to a property "Tyddyn Tu Hen in Bodginvel"
From previous experience the link might not work:
http://isys.llgc.org.uk/isysquery/irl37a9/1/doc#hit1
Regards
Roger
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Thanks for finding this. It doesn't give any indication of which county it's in does it? Looking through I can't see anything but just making sure I haven't missed anything.
If you search for Tyddyn Hen in oldmaps the nearest place to Corwen is Llanwrst. There are quite a few others but no Tyddyn Tu Hens. I'm not a Welsh speaker but I think 'tu' or 'ty' means house, so it may be normal practice to refer to the place as Tyddyn Tu Hen in a document, with reference specifically to the house, but for it to be known as "Tyddyn hen" - still it doesn't narrow down the possibilities!
It doesn't seem to be anywhere in Meriontheshire anyway. Just as a suggestion, perhaps it might yield more results if you search for Bodginfel instead of Boginvel. I've tried this myself but haven't had any luck although I may be looking in the wrong places.
Many thanks,
Jones9
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Update to last: I've just found it! I searched for Bodginfel at NLW and a spelling suggestion was Bodgynvell which seems the standard spelling.
I'm on my phone at moment as don't have Internet access so can't look it up right now but hopefully this will have more success!
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In the same "Archives and Manuscript" using Bodyngvel,this hit
http://isys.llgc.org.uk/isysquery/irl399d/1/doc#hit2
perhaps suggests it's in the parish of Gwyddelwern("Gwythelwern")
Regards
Roger
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Another hit references "Clegir and Bodgynvel".In the 1841 census there are a few "Clegir ..."" addresses in Gwyddelwern parish,and in "old-maps" Clegir Ucha,for example,is listed under Betws Gwerfil Goch.
Regards
Roger
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Roger,
You're absolutely right. Just found this: http://www.visionofbritain.org.uk/descriptions/entry_page.jsp?text_id=862570
It was a township in Gwyddelwern, so not too far away.
Again, many thanks for your help!!
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Roger,
You're absolutely right. Just found this: http://www.visionofbritain.org.uk/descriptions/entry_page.jsp?text_id=862570
It was a township in Gwyddelwern, so not too far away.
Again, many thanks for your help!!
All the places mentioned are within about four miles of each other.
Regards
William Russell Jones.