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Wales (Counties as in 1851-1901) => Wales => Flintshire => Topic started by: HenningWalker on Wednesday 24 July 13 18:06 BST (UK)
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I recently posted in this forum requesting advice on finding marriage information for ancestors of mine from Mold, but it appears that the marriages for 1837 are not published online at the moment. I was curious to know whether anyone else might have the index listed on the Clwyd FHS website that could tell me any more about it? I realize this is a long shot, but it is just on the off-chance as I am otherwise going to need to purchase the whole book!
Edward Tatum + Elizabeth Roden married 1837 +/- 1 year in Mold, Flintshire.
Thanks!
Henning
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Hi,
The Clwydfhs has a look up service for members and nonmembers, details are on the website.
HTH,
Megran.
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Hi
I've been doing some investigations on the namesfromclwyd site:
http://www.namesfromclwyd.org.uk/
The Mold marriages (transcribed by Clwyd FHS) go up to 1837 and are at Ref 414 there. Cross checking with the 2 names and variations comes up with zero hits, so it looks as if they either didn't marry in Mold or married after 1837. I don't see them in the GRO index though!
Could they have married elsewhere?
Gadget
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They apparently married early in 1837.
Regards
William Russell Jones.
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Very cryptic, William ;D ;D ;D
assume one of your GR contacts. Could you expand on this, please :)
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This is the other thread on this;
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,654774.0.html
I did put the OP though in touch with someone in "Flintshire Offers" who has the transcribed Mold marriages up to and including 1837.
Regards
William Russell Jones.
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But, if the info on that thread's correct, Edward is still at home with his parents Thomas and Margaret in 1841, despite having daughters born Sept 1838 and 1841. Then there's the other family ???
Something's wrong somewhere here!
Gadget
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But, if the info on that thread's correct, Edward is still at home with his parents Thomas and Margaret in 1841, despite having daughters born Sept 1838 and 1841. Then there's the other family ???
Something's wrong somewhere here!
Gadget
Yes it very strange!
Regards
William Russell Jones.
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It could be a double entry - maybe Edward's parents didn't know he was married - or maybe they didn't marry. It's not unknown :-\
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It could be a double entry - maybe Edward's parents didn't know he was married - or maybe they didn't marry. It's not unknown :-\
It would be a hard to keep secret though even for those days!
Regards
William Russell Jones.
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Certainly something wrong -
The 1841 has the family, headed by Thomas and Margaret as living Pant Glas.
There is a marriage in 1843 in Bistre between an Edward Tattum, miner, and a Rebecca Evans. Edward's address is given as Pant Glas and his father is listed as Thomas.
Trish found an Edward Roberts, son of an Elinor Tattum, didn't she - maybe this is the one with Elizabeth Roden.
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On the 1851,, they're at Pant Glas
HO107/2501/445/16
Edward Tattum, 34, lead miner, b. Mold
Rebeca,w, 29, b. do
Elizabeth, d, 6, b. do
Margaret, d, 2, b. do
Now that looks like the son of Thomas and Margaret to me.
Think Henning may have to re-work his tree.
Gadget
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Think Josey's info looks worth investigating for the Edward Roberts, son of Elinor:
Edward is named as Roberts or Tatum on the family search baptism record. Wrexham Dec 1837 marriages vol 27 fol 378 - ancestry, freebmd & findmypast have an Edward Roberts as 1 of the 4 males but in all sites only 3 females are named. Is there any way to browse the index sheets to see if a RODEN is there but not transcribed [perhaps at bottom of page]?
Josey
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Yes it certainly doesn't look as if he married Elizabeth Roden!
Regards
William Russell Jones.
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So - it looks like we have Edward son of Thomas and Elizabeth Tattum, marrying a Rebecca Evans in 1843, which would explain him being with them on the 1841, and Edward (Roberts or Tattum), son of Elinor Tattum marrying/or not Elizabeth Roden.
Gadget
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Think Josey's info looks worth investigating for the Edward Roberts, son of Elinor:
Edward is named as Roberts or Tatum on the family search baptism record. Wrexham Dec 1837 marriages vol 27 fol 378 - ancestry, freebmd & findmypast have an Edward Roberts as 1 of the 4 males but in all sites only 3 females are named. Is there any way to browse the index sheets to see if a RODEN is there but not transcribed [perhaps at bottom of page]?
Josey
I think the only way would be to get this certificate. It is always possible the name of the 4th female was missed off the GRO index entirely; in error it may not have been supplied by the Wrexham office in the first place. It may not have been legible when sent to the GRO.
Josey
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Just a bit more:
In 1841, the Edward and Elizabeth are living at Robt William's Yard, New Street, Mold (HO107/1410/11/8/8).
(Hello Josey :D ) Not sure if the Wrexham one would be them but all I am 99% sure of is that the one who married Elizabeth is not the son of Thomas.
Gadget
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Hi, yes, I will admit geography is not my best subject :(
Josey
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Was a bit confused when I read that Trish had put Thomas's occupation down as Furnaceman on the 1841. On Edward and Rebecca's marriage entry he's down as Farmer. Have just checked the 1841 closely and it is Farmer (badly written but definitely more Farmer than Furnaceman).
Gadget
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Just a bit more:
In 1841, the Edward and Elizabeth are living at Robt William's Yard, New Street, Mold (HO107/1410/11/8/8).
(Hello Josey :D ) Not sure if the Wrexham one would be them but all I am 99% sure of is that the one who married Elizabeth is not the son of Thomas.
Gadget
Hi thanks for all the help with this - I think starting this thread may have thrown some light on a few corrections which need making in the Tatum family tree!
I had collected a lot of this information from others but it was all source-less and needed cross checking - I can confirm that the ones I am looking for are definitely these ones living in New Street, Mold as it is where my 4xGreat-Grandmother was born in 1838. Her birth certificate says Edward Tatum and Elizabeth Roden were her parents.
So I believe I am still looking for their marriage - but Thomas Tatum and Margaret Cheney need knocking off the top of the family tree as this was evidently false information. I am, however, back on track with it now as the certificate trail leads to this event (Ann Tatum's birth) in 1838.
Thanks!
Henning
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Not sure about the marriage so far - still no found anything positively but do look at these for your tree:
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/X1BB-NR7
and
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/KCRT-7MZ
bpt, Mold, 15 April 1796 Eleanor d/o Penitent Tatum and Margaret
Gadget
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Does this help ?
St. Asaph Probate Records,
Tattum, Thomas, Gwernafield, Mold, Flint, Farmer
Thomas Tattum : will, 1844.
Some names and places mentioned in the will.
Will of Thomas Tattum of Gwernafield
Land called Coetia Isa , Coetia Ucha, Coetia `r Hylog, Erw Boncyn,
Adjoining my house Pant Glas, where I now live.
Wife – Margaret.
Daughter – Mary (wife of Edward Jones)
Son – Noah
Daughter- Margaret
Daughter – Ann ( wife of Thomas Davies)
Son – John
Son – Edward
Son – Shem
Edward Roberts and James Edwards of Gwernafield miners (executors)
http://hdl.handle.net/10107/564179
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Not sure that it does, really - just proved that he's the wrong father, wilcoxon. see previous posts :)
from Hennig:
but Thomas Tatum and Margaret Cheney need knocking off the top of the family tree as this was evidently false information
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Yes, I have read through it , it`s all a bit complicated. I`ll leave it here anyway, it may be of use to someone else.
At least it`s discounted some names in the family.