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Some Special Interests => Travelling People => Topic started by: Rintey on Friday 26 July 13 18:03 BST (UK)
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HI, I'm new to this site. I am looking for information about my grandmother's parents. Her maiden name was Matilda Anderson and she was born in 1895. She was married to Walter Bibby in 1925 at Eastwood in Essex. I have been told that her parents were Edward Anderson and Sarah Livermore but I cannot find any records to support this. I am hoping that someone may know something.
Thanks.
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Hi and welcome to Rootschat
Do you know which county she was born in? There are no matches to those parents on the 1901 census.
Do you have a copy of the 1925 marriage cert showing her age and her fathers name and occupation
Marriages June qtr 1925
Matilda Anderson/Walter Bibby Rochford 4a 1416
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What year did she die and where as there is no death for a Matilda Bibby with an 1895 birthyear
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Thanks for your reply.
Unfortunately I can't find any records where her parents are mentioned, and as she was a traveller I don't know where she was born. She died in Norwich in 1992. No one in the family ever spoke about them so I know very little, only what I have posted.
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She doesn't appear to have died as Bibby.
The only death in Norwich in 1992 with a birthyear 1895 was Matilda Morris. Did she re-marry?
With an additional christian name - also with a birthyear of 1895 and a death in 1992 Norwich is Sophia Matilda Tennant
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A Matilda Bibby married Thomas H Morris in 1936 in Billericay Ref December qtr 1936 Billericay 4A 1564
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Walter Bibby born 1900 died 1934 Billericay so she was 5yrs older than him
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The Matilda Morris death reg shows her full birthdate as 17.5.1895 and she was 97 when she died
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There is no birth reg for a Matilda Anderson fitting that birthdate so here's my theory:
In 1925 she was 30 so I think she may have been married before and Anderson was not her birth surname but her previous married name
You need to buy a copy of her 1925 marriage cert as it will show if she was a widow and will show her fathers name which will give you her birth surname
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Thanks for your replies.
My grandfather, Walter Bibby, died young and my grandmother remarried to Tom Morris. The marriage certificate to Walter Biiby states her father as Edward Anderson but there is no mention of her mother. Every search I try there is no documentation and it is only hearsay that her mother was Sarah Livermore. I think the only way I will know for certain is if someone knows through family history. I think it is more difficult to trace traveller families due to the nature of their lifestyle, especially over 100 years ago.
Thanks again for your help.
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What age is shown for her on the 1925 cert and what was Edward's occupation
Who were the witnesses
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hi there, I have p.m you but will just list these so all can view if necessary or of use.
matilda Anderson 24yrs, father Edward Anderson to Walter bibby 25 yrs, father Walter bibby 1st July 1925 at eastwood church, witnessed by Sidney bibby & Harriet smith
possibly matilda brother Edward Anderson 24yrs, father Edward Anderson married to Louie Livermore, father joseph Livermore 29/12/1919 again at eastwood church witnessed by William and Celia Devonshire (nee Webb/bibby)
and a Kate Anderson 25 yrs, father Edward Anderson, married to Levi draper 25 yrs father Ambrose draper 21/06/1920, same church witnessed by Edward Anderson & Louisa loveridge
Frederick Anderson, 22yrs father Edward Anderson to lenda (Linda) Buckley 20 yrs,father john buckley02/08/1926.
there is a Sarah Livermore death 06/05/1912 aged 74yrs. Edward Anderson death 14/03/1996 79yrs. Esther Anderson 28/05/1970 54yrs & joseph Anderson 13/12/197? 62 years, same grave. Stephen Livermore 18/11/1975 74yrs & Sarah Livermore 25/11/1986 85 yrs. Sarah Livermore 19/12/1947 56? years I think it reads, lenda Anderson 18/03/1937 30yrs of the "bungalow" woodcutters ave. Edwards Anderson 24/03/1959 68yrs, Louie Anderson 14/07/1972 74yrs, same grave.
hope this helps :)
at least if you are searching a census form it will show you the names of the siblings, father/mother if alive and if they match the above names then maybe you will know if your on the right path :) kushti bok.
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this thread might help also
eastwood church, eastwood essex (on the roots chat sight) :)
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oh and this thread as well :D
Re: BIBBY - TRAVELLERS - WALTHAMSTOW/ESSEX. 1850-1900'S
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Hi,
Edward (Ted) Anderson is buried with Sarah Livermore at Eastwood Church.
The headstone says 'Family of Edward Pearce'. Anderson was a name he used and and past to his children. This is what i have been told by Uncle and hope it might be of help.
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Hi Rodders 1881,
I haven't been on this site for a while as I had almost given up hope of finding anymore information, so I was delighted to see your reply. I have been to the cemetery and I saw the grave for Sarah Livermore in a Pearce plot. However I had no idea that Edward Anderson had changed his name from Pearce. There was no mention, on the headstone, of Edward Anderson being in the same grave. I have heard that they were not married and wonder if you have any information on that and also any information on any of their parents. Thanks again for your help.
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Hi Rintey,
As far as i know they were not married, nor was Sarah married before.
I have her parents as Sarah Ann (1838-1912) and Herbert Livermore (1836-) courtesy of Ancestry site. Family names were not always changed officially which can make paper trails very difficult now, and different names used as they moved areas.
I have Sarah Ann Livermore listed at The Bohemian Est at time of death.
I hope you find this of help.
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hi all, thought this might interest people who are searching for ancestors living in or stopping at, Eastwood Essex
see this link on ROOTS - YEARLY MEETING OF Eastwood Essex (BOHEMIA ESTATES)
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I have her parents as Sarah Ann (1838-1912) and Herbert Livermore (1836-) courtesy of Ancestry site. Family names were not always changed officially which can make paper trails very difficult now, and different names used as they moved areas.
Dubious about that parentage
see
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=580228.new#new
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i agree with lizzieL
always had an inkling Sarah was a nee Webb (also connected with andersons/pearce) and that as she had remarried a Livermore who died abroad (possibly no grave over here - wartime) that she went in with her own blood line rather than her previous husband?
its a theory anyway.
i have some paperwork regarding all this.
but i may also be on the wrong track ::) :P
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Hi, my name is Yvonne Bibby .i am also a great grand daughter of Edward Anderson. My Grand father was also Edward Anderson. As far as I know with what has come down with family history. So what is truth and what is hearsay I have no idea. My mother and her sisters all said that they could have taken the names Anderson Pearse or Stone. We're the Stone surname came from I have no idea. When I applied for Edward Anderson Senior death certificate, the name written on it was Edward Anderson also known as Spearse. It was not Pearse at all. He also gave the name Spearse when he was living with my Grand parents in a census not sure of the date. But I found them all living in powells field Witham in the 1901- 1911. Census. As far as I know there were two sons of Edward Anderson both called Edward Anderson. My Grandfather was the elder,and Sarah Livermore was not his birth mother. I think she had three children before she meet Edward Anderson. All I know is my mother always called Sarah Aunt Sal. Hoping that this clears a few questions, although looking at it I think you will be left with more questions than answers .
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thanks Yvonne
will pm you over weekend when my head is awake lol. have lots to ask you regarding webb/pearse/bibbys/etc
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Hi All,
I have just registered so it might be that I need to post this elsewhere but I thought i would start here as it is all possibly related to the same people.
I have been researching my Bibby/Pearse line for the last couple of months but I am getting DNA Matches to Anderson and I wanted to explore my theory on the Pearse connection.
I have 10 children of John Pearse and Sarah Matthews who married in Chemsford in 1838, as with all these families they have been difficult to follow through the years but I have lost their two sons Edward born 1862 Moulsham and Walter b 1865 Moulsham but Baptised as David.
I have DNA matches to desendants of both of these sons if they used the Anderson name instead of Pearse.
i have read a lot of these threads but i know it's a difficult frustrating trail to follow so i am posting to see what others think.
Walter: I am waiting to hear back from my DNA Match I think he appears as Walter Anderson age 27 Travelling Hawker born Chelmsford on the 1891 Census St Lawrence Maldon
Edward: I have him in 1881 as Pearce age 19 Hawker born Chelmsford in Writtle, Edney Common
I suspect he changed his name after this and uses Anderson later on but there are two of them on the 1911 Census and I suspect he could be listed twice, both times as a soldier, once with his father and once with his Aunt now Elizabeth Bixby.
i hope my post makes some sense and that i have given enough information.
Kind regards
Amanda
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Hi Amanda, I am also related to the Anderson Pearce family. I have tried so long to find where my Great Grandfather, Edward Anderson hails from he just seemed to appear from no where. I can tell you also about why the name was changed,but I will private message you on that subject. I will message you more when I sort out all the information I have about the family. But we are definitely related,as my sister in Australia Mrs Sylvia Munro. Has had a message from the D.N.A to say that there is a match. Many thanks for providing the missing link we have been looking for, Yvonne
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Hi Yvonne,
How Fab.
Happy New Year to you, I had no idea where this might lead yesterday, I was just hoping it would!
I think I have also found his brother Walter but that's another lead yet to be proved
Kind regards
Amanda xx
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hi Amanda & Yvonne
I have also just re registered on ancestry, so have been delving, (when time allows), halleluiah :D
Could i ask you yvonne if its possible fo ryou to also share the name change info via p.m
I would really like to see if it corresponds to my findings regarding webb/pearse/anderson/bibby links
thanks :)
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Hi All,
I have found what I think is Walter, not with Rhoda in 1939 she is under Anderson but there is Walter Pierce in 1939 born 1865 which is very close in age in Mayland.
There is also a Burial in the same Parish for David Pearse in March 1943 aged 78 so I think that sorts this one out!
I have PDF's for two of their children's Birth but the MMN is Webb so there is another mystery to solve.
Happy to swop info with anyone who is searching and compare notes.
Kind regards
Amanda