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Scotland (Counties as in 1851-1901) => Scotland => Perthshire => Topic started by: mothermacree on Saturday 27 July 13 02:00 BST (UK)
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Hi everyone
Any assistance in the following would be appreciated:
I am looking for information about ANNE STEWART ROBERTSON born 6 March 1827 Blairgowrie Perthshire. Her residence at birth was Milltown of Drumlochie. Her father was a labourer working on a farm at Milltown at the time. Her parents were DONALD (DANIEL) ROBERTSON born 1786 Blair Atholl Perthshire and REBECCA BUTTARS born 1788 Blairgowrie Perthshire Kirkmichael. Rebecca or also listed as Rebekah died in 1835 in Blairgowie Perthshire and this may have prompted Donald to emigrate with the family. Donald was listed as a stonemason on ships records to Australia. The family emigrated to Australia in 1838 when Anne was 11. Anne married in Australia a JAMES MCDONALD who was born in 1825 in Edinburgh but who emigrated to Australia himself in 1849 but lived in Dumfrieshire in 1849 before emigrating. ANNE may have gone under ANNE STEWART or ANNE ROBERTSON. On the ship to Australia the surname was listed ROBINSON and ROBERTSON? The family who emigrated were of 10 sons and 3 daughters.
I am travelling to Scotland in 3 weeks time and would like to find graves, family connections, anything really. One son's middle name was McLeod Robertson so there may be a connection to the McLeods.
Any help would be appreciated. I may be lucky and find relies..would love to think so.
Cheers
Mothermacree
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Rebekah Buttar marriage 6 March 1807 Lethendy and Kinloch, Perth spouse Donald Robertson
Children listed on familysearch
Alexander birth 13 Aug 1807 Blairgowrie
Angus ch 3 Dec 1809 Blairgowrie
James Birth Date: 19 Jul 1813 Blairgowrie
John ch 07 May 1815 Blairgowrie
Susanna birth 30 March 1822 ch 07 Apr 1822 BLAIRGOWRIE,PERTH,SCOTLAND
Peter Birth 01 Sep 1829
Anne ch 18 March 1827 Blairgowrie
Duncan ch 4 Nov 1832 Blairgowrie
so we are missing 4 sons and a daughter from that source unless there are different spellings involved.
Can you post the missing children here with dates and if you have them the names of Rebekah and Donald's parents.
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Hi
Rebekah Buttars born Feb 1788.
Other children are:
Catharine b 1811 d 1898
Donald or Daniel born 1816 d 1894
David b 1818 d 1884
Upon checking, my error, only 10 sons 3 daughters.
Rebekah's parents not confirmed
Donald's parents are: ALEXANDER DUNCAN ROBERTSON and KATHARINE (Catherine) CAMPBELL
Blairgowrie Church entry indicates Rebekah died Nov 1838. She married Donald on 6 Mar 1807.
James' middle name was McLeod, maybe his mother Rebekah was a Buttars and McLeod??
Any assistance appreciated, any ideas where they might be buried?
Cheers from Australia
Mothermacree
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Any assistance appreciated, any ideas where they might be buried?
I'd guess either Lethendy (marriage parish) or Blairgowrie but as you have a year to check why not contact the "horses mouth"? ;D http://www.pkc.gov.uk/article/2850/Burial-Grounds-and-Registers
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We still have a missing boy this is only 12 children and all 3 girls are there.
Alexander birth 13 Aug 1807 Blairgowrie [named after Donald's father]
Angus ch 3 Dec 1809 Blairgowrie [if this is the second son then this may also be Rebekah's father's name]
Catharine b 1811
James Birth Date: 19 Jul 1813 Blairgowrie
John ch 07 May 1815 Blairgowrie
Donald or Daniel born 1816 [Donald and Daniel are interchangeable names in this time period]
David b 1818
Susanna birth 30 March 1822 ch 07 Apr 1822 BLAIRGOWRIE,PERTH,SCOTLAND
Anne ch 18 March 1827 Blairgowrie
Peter Birth 01 Sep 1829 Blairgowrie
Duncan ch 4 Nov 1832 Blairgowrie
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Hi Fifer1947
Thanks for your assistance. I will check the connection for burials. I will be in Scotland in 2 WEEKS so all this information will be of assistance to me. We had considered a trip next year but my husband decided now was a better time so we are extremely excited about our impending visit.
I have checked my online tree...the other child is Robert b 30 Sept 1821 Blairgowrie.
Thanks for your help.
Cheers
Mothermacree
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Hi Fifer1947
Further to my last post, I should mention I have the Death Certificate for Donald the father
who died in Australia. On it, it states he was a farmer/shepherd and his father was Duncan Robertson and mother Catherine Campbell. As Stewart is used in Anne's name I am assuming this could be her mother Catherine's mother's surname. I have found in researching that the female used the mother's surname at times in at least one of the children's names so the link remained in that way. Only an assumption. I will have to investigate that further, perhaps at a later time now. Of course, it could have been Duncan's mother's surname also?
Cheers
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This looks like the marriage of Donald's parents, maybe not in exactly the same area but shepherds went where the work was, is this the marriage you have? This is near Glen Lyon (above the river Lyon) above Loch Tay near Kenmore.
http://www.rootschat.com/links/0vir/
Name: Alexander Robertson
Spouse's Name: Katharine Campbell
Event Date: 03 Dec 1776
Event Place: Fortingall,Perth,Scotland
This could be Donald's ch not all children (particularly if residence was distant from church) were christened soon after birth, some were several years old and "done" in batches ;D
Name: Donald Robertson
Gender: Male
Christening Date: 21 Feb 1790
Christening Place: FORTINGALL,PERTH,SCOTLAND
Father's Name: Alexander Robertson
Mother's Name: Catharine Campbell
From experience I would advise looking at the films of the parish records, time consuming but sometimes very worthwhile spending a day doing just that.
Re Rebekah: there are Butter's registered in Lethendy BUT where money was short girls often weren't christened or the parish clerk was absent minded forgot to record them or indeed just because Scots were misogynists! ;D I have a family link where I thought they hadn't had any daughters until by sheer chance I found one daughter listed on her brother's family stone and her name was the same as her mother. However there was absolutely no trace in the parish records, so I presume 2 earlier daughters named for the paternal and maternal grandmothers likewise hadn't been christened.
In Rebekah's case there is perhaps a wee clue from her childrens names ....... there is a Susanna Butter chr Fortingall 1793?
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Hi
My Donald was born June 1786 and baptised July 1786 Blair Atholl. He married Rebekah Butter (on her marriage entry) on 6 Mar 1807 Lethendy and Kinloch Perthshire. His father was Alexander Duncan Robertson.
Cheers
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Hi
The site below is worth searching
http://www.borenich.co.uk/Annual%20Births/1718_1739/Births_1718.html
Yours Aye
BruceL
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Right found him
Donald Robertson , Christening 09 Jul 1786 , BLAIR ATHOLL , PERTH , SCOTLAND
Father Alexr. Robertson , Mother Katharine Campbell.
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Bingo! This looks like his parents marriage
Alexr. Robertson marriage: 29 March 1764 Blair Atholl,Perth,Scotland spouse:Katharine Campbell
If so there's a good chance Alexr was born in 1745 to Duncan Robertson and Margaret [not Mcleod but] McLaren.
Alexander Robertson , Christening 4th May 1745 , BLAIR ATHOLL , PERTH , SCOTLAND
Father Duncan Robertson , Mother Margaret Mclaren.
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Alexander Robertson and Katharine Campbell were both living (presumably with their parents) at Tullich when they married in 1764 (Blair Atholl OPR).
All of these children were born at Toulich (Tullich): Duncan, 1767; Janet, 1770; James,1771; John,1775; Donald, 1778. We don't have the records for Alexander (b 1 Apr 1784), nor Donald (b 9 Jul 1786), but they are available on Scotland's People if you want to check.
Alexander's father is almost certain to be Duncan, but probably Alexander was born earlier than 1745, as men tended not to marry until about 30. Also the parentage location (Monzie, in Glen Fender) is a bit far away.
We are assuming that the Tullich mentioned is in Glen Errochty and not the one opposite Blair which had only one tenant as far as we know - John Morrison, the Duke of Atholl's shepherd.
Tullich / Toulich / Tulloch was next to Bochonie (which still exists) on the south side of the river on the road from Struan to Trinafour.
Hope this helps,
Throth (www.borenich.co.uk)
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Hi Troth and Fifer1947
Thanks for the information which has been extremely helpful.
Cheers
Mothermacree
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Hi I'm new to RootsChat. Saw this thread when I was searching for info on Rebekah Buttar (she's my 4g grandmother on the Robertson side). I have another son listed to Rebekah and Daniel/Donald -
William b.1823. He is on the passenger list and was 15 at the time of embarkation.
There is also Robert b. about 1821. He may have died in Scotland prior to the family emigrating.
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Hi
Thanks eeyore42 for contacting me. I am very interested in keeping contact re the Robertson family. Yes I have a William b 1823 and also a Rober b 1821 in my tree. Rebekah is my 3g grandmother on the Robertson side. I would be interested to know which one of her children you are descended from please? From my research she had 13 children. During my trip to UK/Scotland in Aug/Sept 2013 I was not able to look for my Robertson connections, time was too short. What else can you tell me? I have a tree on ancestry, are we able to provide each other with email addresses on here????
Wait to hear from you. Cheers mothermacree
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Hi ,
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Hi Mothermacree, Sorry that you didn't have time to visit your Robertson ancestors at Tulloch of Glen Errochty. Fancy a virtual visit?
Firstly we need to get you on the map. The following link will put you through to the on-line maps at the National Library of Scotland (NLS)
http://geo.nls.uk/search/mosaic/#zoom=6&lat=56.71138&lon=-4.9&layers=000B0000000
Now you need to 'Select a map group' - the box is on the left hand side.
Pull down to select 'OS Six Inch 1843-1882'
This is first edition of Ordnance Survey for the area and a really good scale, but next we need your location site.
Top left is a box to enter a National Grid Reference (NGR). Tulloch is 'NN77526352'
If you hit your return key, you should be there. Bochonie should be to the east and Kinaldy to the north.
Now for the clever bit - top right there is a box to alter your view called 'background'. Drag it down to 'Bing Aerial'. Nothing will happen until you more the 'volume bar' top middle. It moves left and right and moderates a transition between the OS map and aerial photograph view taken about 6 months ago.
You should be able to see the actual ruins of Tulloch in front of the forestry plantation.
Have fun and get back to us if you get stuck.
Throth (www.borenich.co.uk)
P.S. This is a really useful tool. We can check whether ruins still exist before spending hours climbing hillsides, only to find that the ruins are no longer there.
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I believe I am a descendant of the same Robertson family. I have a handwritten piece of paper that lists the Robertsons who came to Australia in 1838 on the Lady Kennaway. Anne is listed on the paper with the birthdate March 6 1827 and so are her siblings. I have only 9 boy and three girls. I was missing Robert. Whichever family member wrote this list also wrote at the top that "Grandmother died in Blairgowrie Perthshire Scotland. Grandfather and the family came out to Australia in a ship called the Lady Kennaway. Grandfather died on the Shoalhaven River"
My Great grandmother was Janet Robertson (Born 1858, Shoalhaven) who married John Wingfield. I think therefore that Janet's father must have been one of Anne's brothers. Which one I don't know and would like to find out.
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The last post for this family was three years ago, I am in Blairgowrie at the moment researching the same family and can possibly help if still needed.
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Hello, I am descended from Catherine, Rebecca's daughter. I am going to Blairgowrie this coming weekend, and very happy to have come across this thread. I hope it's still active. My grandmother and I are looking for Rebecca's final resting place. Any help would be appreciated! Very curious to find out where Rebecca's birth information was found, this has been something my grandmother has been stuck on for years! Many thanks.
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Hi Rachaelandtheboo, my direct descendant is Ann Robertson born 1827, sister Catherine born 1811, died Ballina 1898, married John Rutherford and Joseph Goodwin. I have been researching this family for many years, Donald (Daniel) Robertson and Rebecca Buttars were married in Hill Church Blairgowrie, the Church is closed at the present time but volunteers are busy restoring the churchyard as many of the headstones have fallen over, but at the present time do not know if Rebecca is buried there. The house where the children were born at Millton of Drumlochy still stands, an extra story was added some years ago. I can go back three generations from Donald who came from Tulloch which is now ruins and the graveyard badly overgrown, can be reached by a road from the House of Bruar (out of Blairgowrie on the road north to Inverness) but is a back road and there is a ford to drive through enroute. Hope this has been helpful
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Thank you so much! This is very exciting to know the house still stands. I doubt I’ll be prepared enough to drive through a ford to get there on this visit but maybe next year. I can’t seem to find the extra story in the thread though. Are you based in Australia or Scotland?
You probably already know this but Ann is buried in Kiama (curiously where my mother lives!). I am based in London so will have more opportunities to go to to Blairgowrie next year.
Thank you so much.
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Hi again, I stupidly didn't realise you meant an extra story on the HOUSE, I thought you meant the thread! I've tried to find where this house would be- but when I google Milltown of Drumlochy only a farmhouse for sale comes up- would you have an address for it? I also spoke to my grandmother, and shared your message with her, she was wondering if you had anything else on John Rutherford, as she doesn't have much on him.
Also, in an earlier post mothermacree mentions Rebecca's birthday, being in February 1788- I'd love to know if there's a birth certificate, or how she found this out. To find Rebecca's parent's names would be amazing- though a long shot I know. Very much looking forward to my weekend in Blairgowrie!
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https://www.geograph.org.uk/gridref/NO1646
Official address according to Post Code finder
Milton Of Drumlochy Farm
BLAIRGOWRIE
PH10 6TD
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Rachaelandtheboo, enjoy your trip to Perthshire, very pretty countryside, but maybe not so warm this time of year. Millton of Drumlochy is north of Blairgowrie, there is a signpost on the roadside and the farmhouse is directly behind, a GPS might be of help. I have had a lot of help from Blairgiwrie Genealogy Centre (situated in the library building), the two volunteer ladies I saw there were wonderful. Robertson and Buttar are two very common names in that area, Rebecca was born in February 1788, in Blairgowrie, births then were mainly parish registered, and hard to find out if this was birth or baptismal date. To date have not been able to find names of parents, work in progress, but thought she could have been buried in Hill Church - this is just up behind the town centre, the gates are locked while restoration work is being carried out but you can look through them. I have her death and funeral registration details. There are so many variations of the name Buttar which makes it even harder. Will look back into the paperwork to see if I have anything on John Rutherford, from memory Catherine came out to Australia some years after her father and family as a widow with 2 children. I live in Sydney but will be in the UK again next September. After this post I should be able to send you a private message with my e-mail address which will enable me to scan certificates, etc.
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Hello everyone who has been 'threading'
I have only just seen these threads so it is very interesting to read them all. I haven't done research on this branch of the family for some time. Without going into my paper trail at the moment I am pretty sure I got Rebekah's birth/baptism entry from ScotlandsPeople. I will have to go back and see if I can find it. Today I google info for The Lady Kennaway into Sydney 1838 and found IFHAA Shipping Pages which detailed the passengers, their ages, religion, read/write, native place and trade. The Robinsons are there. As I said in a very early thread they were actually Robertson but clerically mispelt! as it is them. I note there is another family also those of Robert Robinson and possibly another that of John Robinson. I haven't look closely into that yet but they all came from Dundee. The IFHAA Shipping Pages site also has the typed out version of the hand notes written by the Captain about the voyage. It is quite interesting to read and also there is a list of births on the voyage and I note there is a girl born to Mrs Robert Robertson and a girl born to Mrs James Robertson and also a girl to Mrs John Robertson. No deaths listed under their name. I have had suggestions on Ancestry for parents of Rebekah Buttars but without evidence I don't want to use them. If anyone has other information I'd love to hear. While in Scotland we did not get to find any graves or visit the related churches. LEANNE JANETTE...your Janet Robertson is the daughter of ANGUS ROBERTSON b1809 and married GEORGINA MCPHERSON. Angus was Anne's brother.
rachaelandtheboo ...it would be interesting to know if you have managed to locate Rebekah's final resting place? Macpherson ...I was interested to read your thread abt the house and other info. I'd be interested to hear more if you find things out. Yes, Catherine had 2 children Isabella Rutherford b 1836 and Daniel b 1839 both born in Scotland. Daniel married a Mary Upton and Isabella married a William Brown. Isabella had a large family, not sure about Daniel but I know he did have one daughter and Daniel married a couple of times. Cheers mothermacree
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Completely irrelevant to this topic but I have relatives who also travelled on the Lady Kennaway, arriving in Australia on 12 August 1838.
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Mothermacree, Donald Robinson did migrate on The Lady Kennaway with 10 of his 12 children aged between 30 and 6 years of age. The third son James was married to Mary Frazer who gave birth to a baby daughter (no name noted) enroute on the 17th Jujy, 1838. The other two children - Catherine a widow with two children migrated in 1854 and Donald/Daniel born 1816 migrated to Port Philip Bay (Melbourne) in 1848 but living in NSW by 1854, together with his wife Jane McLaclhlan and daughter Nancy aged 1. Four other children followed.
Ann born 1827 (my gg.grandmother) married James MacDonald in 1850. He was born 1818 in Lerwick, Shetland Islands, son of Neil Macdonald (Chelsea pensioner, born in Barra, Western Isles) and Barbara Jamieson from Shetland. On the wedding certificate bride is listed as Anne Robertson or Stewart. Still working on where the name Stewart came from - at the time of marriage Ann had a daughter by the name of Jane, so maybe took the name of Stewart for 'respectability'. Jane took the name of MacDonald but doubtful James was her father. They went on to have five more children. James died in 1893 and is buried in the Presbyterian Cemetery Kiama; Ann in 1898 and is buried in Presbyterian Cemetery Nowra. Looking at James's death certificate I think they may have been estranged at the time of his death.
Still hopefully of finding where Rebecca Buttar Robertson is buried, in Blairgowrie and surrounds, as in a lot of other parts of Scotland, volunteers with some help from the local Councils neglected graveyards and cemeteries are being restored/cleaned-up, so keeping an eye on Hill Church being the most probable.
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Dear All, Thank you so much for responding to my message earlier this week, your information has been really exciting, as my grandmother had been stuck for so long, and she'd been doing the family history for many years (since I was a child and I'm 45) by microfiche.
Mothermacree and Macpherson, I"m not sure how the website works but if we could exchange emails at some point that would be great. My nan is based in the Shoalhaven (Bomaderry) and she would love to speak to you at some point if you'd be willing?
There is also a gentleman- David McAndrew Western Australia- with whom I've been in touch with, who would be very interested in your information regarding Donald and his parentage. I've emailed him tonight telling him about this thread, and hopefully in some way he will be able to join the conversation. I am going to try to share the link with him. But if that doesn't work (and if Macpherson doesn't mind) I'd like to introduce you via email at some point.
I love that we are talking about this! And I"m emailing from Blairgowrie at this moment! It feels quite special. I have an appointment with Wilma from the genealogy society tomorrow so if there's anything else to share I shall let you know. And I will be lurking around that house!
I will also be in Nowra after Christmas and my mother and I will be going to visit Ann, and to tidy up her grave if it needs it.
Thank you again for your responses, it means a lot,
Cheers from Blairgowrie!
Rachael.
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Rachaelandtheboo, I have sent you a personal message