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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => England => Yorkshire (West Riding) => Topic started by: BonnieDownUnder on Saturday 27 July 13 08:52 BST (UK)
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Hello,
I think that Moses Nutt was married three times but would appreciate if someone could have a look at the following, thanks.
Moses Nutt bc1829 Ripon (baptism not found) to parents Moses & Elizabeth Nutt as shown on C1841.
In 1851 he married Jane Turner - GRO Q2 23/766 York and C1851 piece 2353, folio 389 page 3 shows him married but wife not shown with him?
C1861 unable to locate Moses & Jane (nor their subsequent children)
C1871 Moses & Jane (aged 44) and children Martha M (Matilda) 17, and Moses H (Henry) aged 12. piece 4745 folio 23 page 18.
1878 - A Jane Nutt dies Q2 9d/5 York aged 55 years
1880 - Marriage of a Moses Nutt to a Hannah Wormersley Q2/1880 9d/100 York and it would seem that Hannah died Q3/1880 9d/8 York, aged 36 as in ....
C1881 - Moses shown as a widower, living with daughters Elizabeth (born 1852) and Matilda (Martha) piece 4718, folio 27 page 4
C1891 - Moses with wife Annie (unable to find marriage registration) and their children Frederick Arthur aged 7 and Charles Ernest 5. piece 3888 folio 82 page 24.
1905 Moses dies aged 76 years Q1/1905 9d/22 York
C1911 - Annie Moses, shown as widow, aged 50 with sons Frederick (Arthur) 27, Charles (Ernest) 25, Walter 19 and Percy (Parkinson) 16.
1919 - An Annie Moses passes away in 1919 aged 60 years York Q3, 9d/27
So, what I would like to find out is
- where is Jane Nutt nee Turner in 1851
- where are Moses & Jane in 1861
- when did Moses married Annie ? possibly her maiden name Parkinson?
Many thank for any help Bonnie
PS Just to let you know, I have full information on all of Moses's children, their births, marriages and deaths
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Bonnie,
It is possible that Moses and Jane were living in Leeds, West Yorkshire in 1861 (although I have been unable to locate them in the 1861 census.)
The reason why I say this is I noticed that their daughter Martha (Matilda) was born in Leeds in 1854. I have located the possible burials of two of Moses and Jane's children which took place at Leeds General Cemetery (Woodhouse) in 1855 and 1857. Here are the details.
Grave Number 860
2nd September 1855 burial of Moses Nutt aged 8 months. Died 28th August 1855. Cause of death Dysentery. Birth place Leeds. Abode Carlton Place, Leeds. Parents names Moses and Jane Nutt. Fathers occupation Saddler. Informants signature Moses Nutt.
Grave Number 809
5th September 1857 burial of Annie Maria Nutt aged 6 weeks. Died 2nd September 1857. Cause of death Diarrhoea. Birth place Leeds. Abode Upper North Street, Leeds. Parents names Moses and Jane Nutt. Fathers occupation Saddler. Informants signature Moses Nutt.
I know that this information does not answer any of your original questions but I thought that I would post the information for you just in case you didn't already have it and I also thought that the addresses which Moses and Jane were living at in 1855 and 1857 might narrow down your search if they were still living in Leeds in 1861.
I hope that this information is of use to you and if I can be of any further help, please just ask.
Best Wishes
CJL
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Hello CJL - Thanks your response.
I did know that Moses and Jane had a son Moses 1854-1855 but didn't know they also had a daughter Annie Marie who died at 6 weeks - how terrible sad for them.
I had trawl on C1861 looking for them in the Leeds area but so far no joy.
I am pretty sure that he married again in 1880 to 2nd wife Hannah, who died the same year - a pity there isn't a parish record on line of their nuptials. Also mystery nothing comes up on FreeBDM with a marriage registration to Annie
Thanks for your very detailed response, it is much appreciated. Bonnie
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Hi
Could this be Jane 1851?
Ripon Westgate
Jane Turner 24 draper's daughter Ripon
Elizabeth 22 draper's daughter Ripon.
Jane has had her relationship to the head of the household crossed through and altered to Head.
It seems Miriam Turner age 50 draper on the 1841 census has just died and the daughters are sorting out the household.Could her sudden death have overshadowed the marriage and led to a slightly odd 1851 entry?
Ciderdrinker
ps Turns out Miriam Turner 61 widowed draper Grantley Yorks is visiting elsewhere Bridge Hewick the Christopher Hebden 68 widowed farmer and his family.
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Hi everyone,
I wonder whether this might help if the family were in the Leeds area in 1861 :
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http://www.findmypast.co.uk/help-and-advice/knowledge-base/census/known-issues#3
Missing pieces of the 1861 census
There are a number of enumeration books missing, or parts of enumeration books (usually missing start or finish), from the 1861 census. Below is a list of the books affected that we know of, both those missing in their entirety (M) and those which are incomplete (I) in the National Archives.
3388 West Yorkshire Leeds West Leeds (3) Leeds NW Ward M
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The (M) would mean the books were missing in their entirety.
Kind regards,
Pels.
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when did Moses married Annie ? possibly her maiden name Parkinson?
I have full information on all of Moses's children, their births, marriages and deaths
Do you have any of their birth certificates to confirm both mother's maiden names?
The last child of Moses & Annie appears to be Percy P Nutt born 1895 here's his birth entry
Percy Parkinson Nutt Apr-May-Jun 1895 York Volume: 9d page 16
obtaining this may be the only way of finding out his mother Annie's maiden name
unfortunately Yorkshire BMD doesn't give it ???
This is the only christening I have found
Charles Ernest Nutt Birth Date: 6 Dec 1885 Christening Date: 30 Jan 1886 York
Father's Name: Moses Nutt Mother's Name: Annie
I can't see a marriage for a Moses to an Annie after 1880 and the only two that appear on
Yorkshire BMD are
1851 St Clement Bishophill Senior York to Jane TURNER
1880 York District Marriages, York to Hannah WORMERSELY
The name Hannah has many variants: Ann, Anna, Anne, Annie etc… from the censuses
1891/01/11 Annie's pob given as Featherstone dates vary born c1853/59/61
You mention Moses is widowed on the 1881 census which would suggest another marriage to an Annie - perhaps Moses & Annie were just living together as man & wife and never married ???
1901c Moses & Annie children Frederick A, Charles, Walter & Percy R (1895)
surname transcribed as RUTT
RG13; Piece: 4441; Folio: 117; Page: 12
I think Pels must be right about the 1861 census as Nutt family nowhere to be found ???
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Hello All ... many thanks your responses
Ladyhawk No, I don't have any birth certificates of the children born to Moses and Annie and as you suggested, the way to go is to buy one of these to ascertain the maiden name of the mother. Thanks also C1901, I haven't found that.
PELS Thanks info on C1861
Ciderdrinker Thanks info on Jane Turner C1851. See on C1841 Miriam and daughters Jane and Elizabeth shown in Ripon
I was told that Moses Nutt married Jane Turner at St Marys Bishophill Senior Church York on 03 May 1851 and he married Hannah Wormersley 17 May 1880 at The Lendal Chapel York though I wasn't given nor have sighted a copy of the actually marriage certificates.
It could well be that Hannah was known as Annie and the death of a Hannah Nutt in 1880 is not her.
At the York Cemetery there are 20 Nutts listed as being buried there. I have found in the past that the volunteers are very helpful in searching records though the problem for me is transferring funds (extremely expensive) from here to there to obtain details.
Thanks once again ... it is actually Moses sister Martha who is my ancestor but became curious about him - what a name MOSES NUTT!
Regards Bonnie
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Hello
I have just joined rootschat and that you are interested in the Nutt family( of York ) family tree. My grandmother was Daisy Augusta Nutt . She died in 1966. Her parents were Moses Nutt and Matilda Jane Nutt. She was born in South Africa.
Did you know that Moses Nutt , born 1758 was a "foundling", left at the Foundling Hospital in London.
He was apprenticed to a farmer in Yorkshire when he was 10.
If you want more information, I am happy to help. I do have two photographs of "Moses 3" and various Nutt certificates.
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Hello Verainkent, welcome to Rootschat and thanks for making contact.
I was in contact (not on this site), about 4 years ago, with another descendant of Moses NUTT bc1758 d 1840 and she kindly gave me all the information about the Foundling hospital, Moses apprenticeship to farmer, James Clarke, etc.,
His son, MOSES NUTT bc1796 d1868 married ELIZABETH TEBB 1824. I descend from their daughter MARTHA NUTT bc1824 d1896 being my 2xggm. She married a JOHN COOK and their daughter MARTHA b1857 d1955 was my great grandmother.
For us to exchange PM's (private messages) on this site, you will need to do two (2) more postings.
Look forward to hearing from you soon
Bonnie
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Hi. Just joined Roots chat this minute. Just like to say that my father just before he died left me the original parchment apprenticeship contract for Moses Nutt with the farmer James Clark in 1768 when Moses, aged 10, left the Foundling Hospital and went to be taught 'husbandry'. I recently gave the document to my sister who has had the document photographed because of its age and condition and subsequent copies made from the photo. Like to hear from you.
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Hi Tramore,
Welcome to Rootschat and thanks for making contact.
How wonderful that you have such a historical record - an amazing heirloom.
I haven't worked on the NUTT family tree for some time so will need to have a look through my research notes. However, think that I found some more information since my posting but will get back to you.
By the way, what is your connection. Mine is from Moses' son, Moses Nutt c1796-1868 (3rd ggf), to his daughter Martha c1824-1896 (2nd ggm)
Bonnie
PS: I never heard back from "verainkent"
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Hi and welcome Tranmore :)
Just remember you will have to wait to exchange private messages (post 3 times in total)
No private e mail addresses to be posted in open forum.
Brian
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Thanks very much for your very prompt reply. I am only just starting to trace my family history so I can't answer your question at the moment. My father, Arthur Nutt, born in York, found the document in a writing case belonging to his father, my grandfather, after he died. My father told me that he didn't know anything about Moses Nutt or his family history other than he had been told one of his relatives named Nutt used to drive a stagecoach in York.
As soon as I have researched any of the family tree I will definitely be back to you.
P.S. It was my daughter who Googled Moses Nutt and found your post on Rootschat on the first page and I felt you would be interested in the document.
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Hi Tramore,
I have had a quick look at my notes on the NUTT family and have quite a bit of information. I was lucky enough to connect with a person, a number of years ago, who told me the story about Moses Nutt and the Foundling Hospital etc., along with quite a lot more details, all of which has been verified.
What was your grandfather's name and do you know when he was born or died?
You will need to do one more posting then your able to send me a PM and happy to pass over what info I have.
Bonnie
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Here is Moses Nutt's first marriage entry to Jane Turner. Note that the word 'dead' has been written where her father's name should be
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Thanks Jay55.
Can I ask a favour thanks. Would you mind checking if the witnesses, John Aspinall and Ellen Braithwaite, were also witnesses for other marriages around the same time.
Bonnie
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Hi Bonnie,
Unfortunately yes it looks like John & Ellen were regular witnesses to marriages at St Mary's so no clues there to help you with your mystery
Jay55
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Thanks Jay55.
Just to add a bit more info post, I had confirmation from York Cemetery that in grave number 15753
are buried the following
Jane Nutt (nee Turner) DOD 16 Apr 1878 age 55 (Moses first wife)
Eleanor Nutt DOD 07 Aug 1880 age 36 **
Moses Nutt DOD 14 Jan 1905 age 76
Moses Henry Nutt DOD 18 Sep 1909 age 49 (son of Moses and Jane)
Annie Nutt DOD 22 Aug 1919 no age shown
** There is no death registration for an Eleanor Nutt however Hannah Nutt (nee Wormersley) died on this date and it is believed they are one of the same person. The researcher at York Cemetery also did not find a marriage registration of Moses Nutt to Annie.
Anyone requiring more info, please drop me a message. Bonnie
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Hi Bonnie, Sorry for the delay in answering. My grandfathers name was Frederick Nutt. Which from your first post would be a son of Moses Nutt and his wife Annie. In 1891 Frederick was seven years old. Would this be correct? Tramore.
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Hello,
I think that Moses Nutt was married three times but would appreciate if someone could have a look at the following, thanks.
Moses Nutt bc1829 Ripon (baptism not found) to parents Moses & Elizabeth Nutt as shown on C1841.
In 1851 he married Jane Turner - GRO Q2 23/766 York and C1851 piece 2353, folio 389 page 3 shows him married but wife not shown with him?
C1861 unable to locate Moses & Jane (nor their subsequent children)
C1871 Moses & Jane (aged 44) and children Martha M (Matilda) 17, and Moses H (Henry) aged 12. piece 4745 folio 23 page 18.
1878 - A Jane Nutt dies Q2 9d/5 York aged 55 years
1880 - Marriage of a Moses Nutt to a Hannah Wormersley Q2/1880 9d/100 York and it would seem that Hannah died Q3/1880 9d/8 York, aged 36 as in ....
C1881 - Moses shown as a widower, living with daughters Elizabeth (born 1852) and Matilda (Martha) piece 4718, folio 27 page 4
C1891 - Moses with wife Annie (unable to find marriage registration) and their children Frederick Arthur aged 7 and Charles Ernest 5. piece 3888 folio 82 page 24.
1905 Moses dies aged 76 years Q1/1905 9d/22 York
C1911 - Annie Moses, shown as widow, aged 50 with sons Frederick (Arthur) 27, Charles (Ernest) 25, Walter 19 and Percy (Parkinson) 16.
1919 - An Annie Moses passes away in 1919 aged 60 years York Q3, 9d/27
So, what I would like to find out is
- where is Jane Nutt nee Turner in 1851
- where are Moses & Jane in 1861
- when did Moses married Annie ? possibly her maiden name Parkinson?
Many thank for any help Bonnie
PS Just to let you know, I have full information on all of Moses's children, their births, marriages and deaths
George Nutt registered Micklegate York 1881
Frederic A Nutt Micklegate York 1884
Charles E Nutt registered Micklegate York 1885
Percy P Nutt registered Micklegate York 1895
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Hi Tramore, have sent you a PM with info.
Hi dodfarm - thanks your info.
Regards Bonnie
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Hi Bonnie
first large top box in link multi region search click on 'UKBMDsearch'
I forgot to post the repository where to find the births of siblings
Highlight the time frame 1880 to 1904 (25 year search max) in year table
Do a surname (Nutt) only by leaving first name blank or do direct full naming and year of each child in link.
http://www.ukbmdsearch.org.uk/
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also
Births Dec 1881
NUTT George York 9d 24
http://www.freebmd.org.uk/cgi/search.pl
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Thanks dobfarm.
It would appear that George Nutt born Q4/1881 9d/24 York died soon after birth, Q4/1881 9d/19.
Percy P Nutt, birth registered 1895, middle name was Parkinson which lead me to think that this may of been his (and along with Frederick, Charles and Walter's) mother's maiden name. Bonnie
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Its possible Moses and Annie marriage late 1880 or 1881 in York will be held at York local register office as they have their own records of the original BMD registers with their own number system different from the National register at Southport England, and it was/is not uncommon for the odd BMD to be missed off the national GRO BMD register.
My brother died who drowned in the canal by accident playing. His death was recorded at the local register office but was missing in the GRO quarter index.
Mind you ! unrecorded 'jumping over the brush - marriage' was common accepted them days in less religious families as well.
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Sorry to hear of the tragic death of your brother, dobfarm.
When I contacted the York cemetery some time back, I am pretty sure the researcher checked the Yorkshire records for marriages however my notes are not to hand at present so not 100% positive on that.
Bonnie
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Hi,
I am new to the site having just found this forum on a google search. I've recently dug out a family tree I started 20 years ago (and haven't looked at since!) to try to add more to it. My interest was sparked by the indenture mentioned by Tramore along with family bibles. My great grandfather was Frederick Nutt (This thread has confirmed many names and dates recorded in the family bible which is great, but also introduced some siblings I wasn't aware of). I realize the thread was started several years ago but maybe someone's still out there.........
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Hi Karma2
The original member - thread owner -request -first poster BonnieDownUnder was active 2 days ago and so! may answer your post the next time she comes on this website.
Allow for time difference between the UK and Australia
https://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?action=profile;u=195996
Dobbie :)
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Hi Karma2
Welcome to RootsChat and thanks for making contact.
Like yourself, I haven't worked on the Nutt family tree for sometime so need to do a refresh on what the latest developments were.
I am located in Sydney and there is a massive electrical storm brewing so not keen to be on the computer ... will be back in touch soon.
Regards Bonnie
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Percy P Nutt, birth registered 1895, middle name was Parkinson which lead me to think that this may of been his (and along with Frederick, Charles and Walter's) mother's maiden name.
You probably already have this information...........but just in case I'll post anyway
You were correct in your assumption that the children of Moses & Annie her maiden name was PARKINSON, confirmed from GRO Indexes
Percy Parkinson NUTH mmn PARKINSON
1895 J Quarter in YORK Volume 09D Page 16
Frederick Arthur NUTT mmn PARKINSON
1884 M Quarter in YORK Volume 09D Page 19
Charles Ernest NUTT mmn PARKINSON
1885 D Quarter in YORK Volume 09D Page 34
Walter NUTT mmn PARKINSON
1891 D Quarter in YORK Volume 09D Page 30
Did you ever find a marriage for Moses NUTT to Annie PARKINSON?
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Unfortunately I still have not been able to find a record of a marriage between Moses NUTT and Annie PARKINSON. I also checked again to see if she may have been a widow when she married Moses but alas no luck.
I descend from Moses' sister Martha bc 1824 died 1896. She married John COOK in 1845 and her daughter Martha 1857-1955 was my great grandmother.
Sorry my delay in replying.
Regards Bonnie