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Research in Other Countries => Australia => Topic started by: MegMS on Monday 05 August 13 06:20 BST (UK)
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When my aunt visited Callaghan cousins in Letterkenny, Donegal, Ireland in the early 1980s, she was shown a newspaper clipping about a Doherty relative referred to in the article as The Lumber King of Rochester in Australia. I did some googling and didn't find anything about Rochester having been a lumber town... My gggrandmother was Mary Doherty. The clipping may have been sent to her before 1883 or later to her daughter, whose children were showing it to my aunt.
Sadly, all I know about Mary Doherty is her name and that she married James Callahan probably before she had my ggrandmother Annie in 1868, all probably in Donegal.
Anyone out there descended from a Lumber King?
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Hi there,
May I ask for a tad more info please :)
Who migrated?
When were they born?
Which colony did they migrate to? New South Wales, Tasmania, Western Australia, South Australia, Victoria, Queensland, or perhaps New Zealand?
When did they migrate?
What were their parents' names?
I wonder if "lumber king of Rochester" could actually be referring to Rochester, America (USA), although there's Rochester in Victoria and Rochester in South Australia. It is just that "lumber" is not a word that regularly crops up in newspaper articles.
Here's a link to the free to search digitised historic newspapers sites for Australia and for New Zealand
Australia : http://trove.nla.gov.au/ndp/del/home
New Zealand : http://paperspast.natlib.govt.nz/cgi-bin/paperspast
Cheers, JM
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http://trove.nla.gov.au/ndp/del/article/93840482
South Australian Weekly Chronicle 18 December 1886
Rochester Lumber Company
Cheers, JM
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http://trove.nla.gov.au/ndp/del/article/115197038 Riverine Herald 23 Aug 1913
The Northern Timber and Hardware Co Pty Ltd Doherty St, Rochester (Victoria)
Cheers, JM
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http://trove.nla.gov.au/ndp/del/article/93840482
South Australian Weekly Chronicle 18 December 1886
Rochester Lumber Company
Cheers, JM
Mentioning news snippets not only from Australia and the profits of the Rochester Lumber Company are expressed in dol. Dollars.
Cando
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Trove references:
Candidates in the Shire of Echuca, mentions "Cr. Doherty" and "the King of Rochester"
http://trove.nla.gov.au/ndp/del/article/89442180?
http://trove.nla.gov.au/ndp/del/article/88567486?
cheers :)
cupoflife
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Certainly not a lumber king......not a complimentary title at all. Local politics ::)
Cando
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http://trove.nla.gov.au/ndp/del/article/90024049 16 Aug 1916 Bendigo Advertiser
:) Newly appointed as a Justice of the Peace at Rochester ....
James Patrick Doherty, only son of the late Cr Doherty JP, :)
Cheers, JM
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http://trove.nla.gov.au/ndp/del/article/115039188 Riverine Herald 8 August 1902
Hotelkeeper at Rochester, transferring licence of the Victoria Hotel, perhaps from father to son ?
Adding,
Late James Patrick Doherty of Rochester, involved part Probate NSW Supreme Court
http://trove.nla.gov.au/ndp/del/article/16672070 SMH 27 June 1930.
NSW SRO Deceased Estates index gives date of death for James Patrick DOHERTY of Rochester, Victoria as 3 March 1930, and the NSW Duty paid 30 Aug 1932. His occupation was noted as grazier :)
http://srwww.records.nsw.gov.au/indexes/searchform.aspx?id=15
His sister in High Court Action against Taxation Office
http://trove.nla.gov.au/ndp/del/article/61722127 Townsville Daily Bulletin 15 Apr 1933
Cheers, JM
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Thank you, JM and all for these great links! I especially liked the one that included this 'news:' "Mr. Newland does not care whether His Satanic Majesty or the Angel Gabriel sits in judgment of him." ;D
Unfortunately, I have no further info on my Dohertys-- only that Mary said she was born in England, married James Callahan and had Annie in 1868 (the latter two events probably in Donegal, but I have found no birth or marriage record--YET). That clipping is about a relative, though. Annie (my ggmother) mentioned cousins in Australia. One was a woman who was a writer, but that's all we know. Whether she was ever published or what her name was, we don't know. I don't know that Annie knew of the clipping and the (Lumber?) King of Rochester. She and her sister who stayed in Letterkenny wrote every week, but neither saved the letters! :'(
So, I'm going to pursue this King of Rochester that you found, this Cr. (Councilor?) Doherty. Are you guessing, JM, that his first name was James and he was the one transferring the license to his son?
Cando, would an Australian company's profits have been in pounds in 1886?
Thanks again! I love the people on this site!
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This is an obit to Patrick Doherty the councillor
http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article91386517
cheers,
Ros
adding : his photo :) http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article91378854
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Ooh, Ros, this is lovely! Thank you so much!
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http://trove.nla.gov.au/ndp/del/article/93840482
South Australian Weekly Chronicle 18 December 1886
Rochester Lumber Company
Cheers, JM
Mentioning news snippets not only from Australia and the profits of the Rochester Lumber Company are expressed in dol. Dollars.
Cando
Cando, would an Australian company's profits have been in pounds in 1886?
Yes. Perhaps you missed the news snippets not only from Australia in my reply.
Cando
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I didn't miss it, Cando. I know Australia uses dollars now, but I didn't know when they started to. I now know it was only in 1966. I live in Rochester, NY and our Rochester Lumber Company was started in 1909. Several pages of google results showed no other Rochester Lumber Company, though there are several other Rochesters in the world.
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Your profile is not complete and you didn't mention you country of residence on the thread. Well you have learned a little more about the history our currency.
Cando ;D
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I cannot find a Patrick DOHERTY of the right age ie born c1832 arriving in 1852 in either the Assisted or Unassisted Records at Public Records of Victoria.
http://prov.vic.gov.au/index_search?searchid=24
Perhaps he arrived in 1855 as an assisted immigrant.
DOHERTY Patrick 20 years arrived Feb 1855 on the CONSTANT Book 12 Page#53
The Victorian gold rush was well and truly underway by 1855 and the statement he arrived in 1852 and proceeded to Bendigo by 1864 doesn't make sense if he was digging for gold. It is usually accepted that the rush ended in the 1860's.
Rochester was gazetted as a township in 1855 and....
Rochester (via Rowechester) was named after Dr John Pearson Rowe, who had a hotel here before the township was gazetted in 1855. The Post Office opened on 11 May 1863 and the town was reached by the railway line from Bendigo (connecting it to Melbourne) in 1864.
Perhaps this is Patrick in Bendigo in 1861.
The Bendigo Advertiser 6 Jul 1861
A Mr. Patrick Doherty applied for a prospecting claim on Wednesday last, having discovered gold in Whipsnake Gully, about a quarter of a mile below the claim of Barnes, the prospector, but Antoni Harlovitch, who owns the next claim, has objected to this grant, having obtained more gold than Doherty since they went to work.
The Bendigo Advertiser 14 Nov 1868 - at Bull Street, Bendigo
CROWN LANDS SALE.
A sale of Crown lands was held yesterday at the rooms of Mr H. Mirks, Bull-street. There was a good attendance, and very fair competition for the different lots. The following is a list of lots sold :
Town Lots.
Rochester, county unnamed, parish of Rochester,
ln the township of Rochester, on the Murray River Railway, line.
Upset price £8 per acre.
Lot 1—2r 21 p ; Patrick Doherty, £5 10s
Lot 2—2r28p; Thomas Heward, £5 8s
Lot 3—2r l3p; John M'Mullen, £7
Lot 4—2r; John Glover, £4 10s
Lot5—2rj Henry Colman, £4
Lot 6—2r; Patrick Doherty, £4
Lot 11—lr lp; John Colvin, TA 5s
Lot 12—2r 13p; Hugh McDevitt, £6 5s,
......and so forth. Crown land also sold in other areas as well.
P. Doherty was the owner of the Victoria Hotel.
View across to the Victoria Hotel in Rochester which was first licensed in 1870. I am unsure if this is the original structure - taken c1970. It appears to have been demolished and the site is not occupied by a branch of the Commonwealth Bank of Australia.
http://nla.gov.au/nla.pic-vn5215784
Former site of the hotel on the left of this image
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Rochester_Gillies_Street.JPG
Marriage in Victoria
DOHERTY Patrick born Donegal
BRENNAN Mary born Waterford
1871 Reg#496
Births in Victoria to Patrick DOHERTY and Mary BRENNAN all at Rochester.
DOHERTY Honora 1874 Reg#11552
DOHERTY Catherine 1875 Reg#25394
DOHERTY James 1878 Reg#18549
DOHERTY Grace 1880 Reg#18293
DOHERTY Mary 1883 Reg#11944
A photo of Patrick's and family headstone is available from Carole by emailing her - address on this website. Wonderful free service from a kind lady.
http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~ausvsac/Rochester.htm
DOHERTY Patrick, Mary, Grace, James Patrick, Margaret Josephine
Patrick's Will and Probate file on
http://prov.vic.gov.au/index_search?searchid=54
Cando
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This is a wonderful lot of info, Cando; thank you!
I'm trying to establish the link I think exists between Patrick and my gggmother Mary. Patrick's mother, Hannah Gibbons, may be the key. My Mary's daughter came to Pgh, PA to live with her aunts Ann and Kate Gibbons.
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Is the Australia Death Index cited by ancestry.com different from the NSW site http://www.bdm.nsw.gov.au/bdm_fh/bdm_bdsch.html (http://www.bdm.nsw.gov.au/bdm_fh/bdm_bdsch.html)? I found William Doherty and Patrick Doherty with death dates coinciding with the newspaper links you folks have so kindly provided, but a search on the NSW gov. site brings up nothing to match those. The newspaper William is much older, and is on the NSW gov. site with parents Edward and Jane. Can anyone explain, please? Where are these 2?
Here is what ancestry has:
Name: Wm Doherty
Death Place: Rochester, Victoria
Age: 48
Father's Name: Doherty Mich
Mother's Name: Hannah Gibbons
Registration Year: 1897
Registration Place: Victoria
Registration number: 10409
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1849
Name: Patrick Doherty
Death Place: Rochester, Victoria
Age: 84
Father's Name: Doherty Michael
Mother's Name: Hannah Gibbons
Registration Year: 1916
Registration Place: Victoria
Registration number: 12129
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1832
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NSW is a different state to Victoria.
Here is Victorian BDM http://www.bdm.vic.gov.au/home/family+history/
cheers,
Ros
Each state NSW, VIC, WA, Queensland, Tasmania, South Australia, Northern Territory, A.C.T has its own BDM - very annoying :( so ancestry is useful for searching across states.
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Gah! I feel like such an idiot! Of course! And I did just notice that on a map the other day when trying to learn where Rochester is. Y'know, I saw dot gov and in my haste to find something (anything!) I assumed it would include the whole country.
Ok, I'm slinking off to study up on your great country (and states and districts) :-[
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Don't worry MegMS - we all get confused about another country's geography etc ;D That's why rootschat is so useful :) :)
cheers,
Ros
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No need to pay to search records from Vic bdm. Many of us have resources. Just ask what you would like us to search for.
Only travelled through Rochester a few weeks ago :)
Cando
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It may be helpful to ask Carole for a photo of this headstone at Rochester Cemetery as well.
DOHERTY Thomas, William, Mary Ethel
Wm appears to have been a farmer at Rochester West.
DOHERTY William born Donegal
ROURKE Mary Theresa born Dandenong [this is Victoria]
1877 Reg#1780
Children born to Wm and Mary at Rochester
DOHERTY Elizabeth 1878 Reg#4822
DOHERTY Hannah 1880 Reg#4602
DOHERTY Mary Ethel 1881 Reg#25696
DOHERTY Hugh 1884 Reg#5081
DOHERTY William 1886 Reg#13397
DOHERTY Catherine Giles 1890 Reg#16921
DOHERTY Michael Thomas 1893 Reg#16566
Australian Electoral Roll
1903
DOHERTY Elizabeth Rochester West HD
DOHERTY Hannah Rochester West HD
DOHERTY Mary Ethel Rochester West HD
DOHERTY Mary Teresa Rochester West HD
Will see what I can find on my resources.
There is also some more about Patrick re transfers of land etc, hotel licences etc etc.
Australian Electoral Roll
1903
DOHERTY Grace Moore Street, Rochester Shop Assistant
DOHERTY Kate Moore Street, Rochester Shop Assistant
DOHERTY James Patrick Moore Street, Rochester Hotelkeeper [Patrick's son]
DOHERTY Mary Moore Street, Rochester HD
DOHERTY Patrick Moore Street, Rochester Storekeeper
Cando
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Wow! You're good and you're fast, Cando; thank you!
Do you think any of your sources might include a townland birth location for Patrick and/or William Doherty? Anything (besides same parents' names) to indicate they might have been brothers, though 17 years apart?
I wondered whether a death record would include birth townland? I looked at Victoria bmd but they don't even show you the index entry unless they get $.99 and your credit card info!
I searched the Trove site for an obit for William, but only the older one got a mention--the one who died in Wee Waa whose parents are Edward and Jane (not Michael and Hannah).
I feel on the edge of discovery here, but to make the connection, I need a sister Mary for these boys and much younger sisters or nieces for Hannah named Ann and Kate (sigh). Plus, my Mary was said to have been born in England, but returned to Donegal ...
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Marriage notice for Patrick and Mary Brennan - Patrick is eldest son of Mr Michael Doherty of County Donegal
http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article113588652
cheers,
Ros
adding : http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article119589641 This obit to Patrick says he was born in Churchill 10 miles from Letterkenny and that he had 2 younger brothers William in West Rochester and Hugh in NSW
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When I saw "King of Rochester" and Church Hill in the obit, I knew then that he was "ours!" This is so exciting! For at least 15 years I've been combing the internet to find anything about my ggmother's parents and this is the first clue; thank you so much!
So, he's likely a brother to my my gggmother Mary Doherty. His mother was likely sister to William Gibbons, father of the women who took in my ggmother at 15. She called them aunt, but technically they would have been first cousins once removed. Maybe I'll find someone like you and Cando and JM in Donegal who can guide me to document the connections. ;D
And, my goodness, what a fine upstandin' fella he was, too!
Really, this is wonderful! Thank you all. If there's any way I can help you, I'd be delighted!
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Great news MegMS :) :) Pleasure to help.
cheers,
Ros
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Patrick arrived as an unassisted immigrant on the SHALIMAR Nov 1862
http://prov.vic.gov.au/index_search?searchid=23
Cando
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I guess you found brother Hugh Doherty's death in Narrandera, NSW with parents Michael and Hannah in 1914.
He married in 1898 in Victoria to Eliza (Elizabeth) Fitzgibbon
http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article89467448
MARRIAGE.
Doherty—FitzGibbon.—On the 7th February, at St. Kilian's Church, Bendigo, by the Rev.
Father Moore, Hugh Doherty, of New South Wales (brother of Mr. P. Doherty, of Rochester),
to E., daughter of Mr. J. FitzGibbon, of Axe Creek. Rochester papers please copy.
Then there are a number of births to Hugh and Eliza or Elizabeth in Narrandera, NSW
1899 Joseph M
1902 Hugh and Hannah (twins I think - adjacent registration numbers)
1903 Mary A
1906 William J
cheers,
Ros
adding : obit to Eliza - wife of Hugh http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article101246526
and a small obit to Hugh http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article108152954
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Thank you, Cando and Ros!
Hugh's arrival there in 1890 means that he could be the uncle Hugh my ggmother remembered and said my father reminded her of. He left after she did. I hope for Hannah's sake that Hugh was the youngest-- she bore Patrick in 1832 and Hugh in 1855; that's a long stretch. It also indicates there may be many children (more than just William and, I'm hoping, my Mary) in between.
I cannot find them in Ireland! or England or Scotland, on Family Search, ancestry, Donegal Resources or this new Irelandxo. Not birth, marriage or death or census abstracts. Grr!
I wonder why, since Patrick and his brothers did so well for themselves, they didn't offer to take my ggmother. She came to USA to live with people who must have been strangers to her. Certainly Patrick could have afforded to send enough to keep her and her sisters for the few years until they married.
My ggmother corresponded regularly with her sister Mary but neither kept the letters. I wonder if they also corresponded with their relatives in Australia and whether any letters survive.
It's wonderful to have all this on these three guys!
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This seems to be Hugh's grave (he died Dec 31 1914) which indicates he was born in 1845 ???
http://www.findagrave.com/cgi-bin/fg.cgi?page=gr&GSln=DO&GSpartial=1&GSbyrel=all&GScntry=15&GSsr=841&GRid=76565348&
The obit was hard to read - perhaps age was 69 ...?
cheers,
Ros
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Hmm; odd. That makes him 53 at his marriage; 45 when he arrived. The ancestry version of the death record does not give a birth year; though it does for the Hugh Doherty who died in Nov. 1913-- he was born about 1845. Our Hugh's death was registered in Narrandera, NSW. The other fella died and was registered in Bairnsdale, Victoria. Unless the findagrave data enterer got confused, I have to assume the newspaper reporter messed up his math by 10 years. The paper says 60 for sure, I zoomed right in. Well, I'm relieved on Hannah's behalf, anyway. Maybe William was her last in 1849. ;)
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I am not sure what to say - but I have read through the comments and I believe that the Michael Doherty and Hanna Gibbons discussed are the grandparents of my grandfather. My grandfather was Hugh Doherty - twin with Hannah Norah Doherty B: 4/5/1902
I am trying to trace my family history and am working on my grandfathers side. Anything you can share would be great and I would be happy to do the same.
Nols
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Hi, Noleen!
Sadly, what you've read in these 4 pages of comments is all I know. I have not been able to establish that Michael and Hannah Gibbons Doherty had a daughter Mary, much less whether if they had, it was my gggmother. The circumstantial evidence is compelling-- the clipping of the "Lumber King" article being still in family possession, the fact that my ggmother, Annie Callahan was sent to America to live with Gibbons sisters, that Annie's sister was named Hannah; and I can't remember how I traced it now, but the 1901 census has a Michael Doherty living in Tirargus with a nephew visiting named Henry who was the right age to be Annie's sister Mary's son, and somehow I did connect Michael with parents Michael and Hannah but I can't recall now how I did that. Tirargus was the home townland of Annie's sisters Mary and Bridget when they married in 1892 or so. Annie told my aunt that her mother (Mary) was born in England, but I have nothing at all to support that. I cannot find a marriage cert for Mary Doherty and James Callahan, or birth records for Annie or Mary Callahan.
I'm excited to hear from you. I hope we can work together to make a connection!
Meg
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Here is a longer obit to Hugh DOHERTY who died in 1914 http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article141941233
and http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article108152954
And a touching memoriam notice http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article141841191
Ros
adding : an obit to Eliza, Hugh's wife
http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article101246526
an obit to Hannah Nora RUSSELL - a daughter http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article101633525
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;D
That is a great obituary.
Entire family network of Hannah Nora RUSSELL all nicely laid out for the future researcher ;D
Sue
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Hi Noleen,
Is there anything we can help you with (within Australia)?
I'll check for a probate packet for Hugh DOHERTY died 1914 at NSW state records the next time I am there.
Ros
Yes it is a good obit Sue :)
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Just for completeness, the third son of Hannah and Michael DOHERTY, William DOHERTY, died in Victoria in 1897
1897 Death Wm DOHERTY. father Mich DOHERTY, mother Hannah GIBBONS, at Rochester age 48
Death notice http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article170171401
Obit http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article183748667 (not much family info)
Ros
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so much information to take in - my head is in a spin. These are definitely related to me and it will take some time to try to put it all together.
I live in Australia and was born and raised in Matong NSW - I have been trying to research the family of Michael Doherty and Hannah Gibbons - and follow the line down from there.
My grandfather Hugh Patrick Doherty B.1902 married Amy Dooley (nee Gillespie) - Amy's side of the family has proved difficult to follow through as well. Amy Gillespie married Albert Dooley who died young and then she remarried Hugh Patrick - I can't find any information of the Dooley side so I have moved onto the Doherty clan
Any help would be very much appreciated.
Nols
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There is a probate packet for Hugh Patrick DOHERTY died 1964
https://www.records.nsw.gov.au/item/1114317
I'll photograph this for you next time I am there
Ros
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Hugh Patrick is my grandfather and he died suddenly of heart attack in 1964. Thank you any info you find would be greatly appreciated. I get very lost trying to find and put together our history. I think I need to go back to Michael and Hannah to follow through. I am not sure how I check back in Ireland records and also assume the children came out here
thank you again
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Perhaps you should post a question on the Ireland board about Hannah Gibbons and Michael DOHERTY and their children - Patrick, William and Hugh came to Australia - but there may have been other children (hopefully a Mary for MegMS :) ). The children were apparently born in Churchill, near Kilkenny.
Here is the Kilkenny, Ireland board http://www.rootschat.com/forum/kilkenny/
Hopefully they can give more help about the Irish origins
Ros
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Thank you again Ros - I am new to this and very new to this site - I will try to do what you suggest.
I seem to waste so much time and probably looking in the wrong place at time. What I have learnt is to not take the information in other family trees as true - this always seems to lead me in a wrong direction. Thank you again
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Pleasure to help Nols :)
Yes there is a lot of rubbish in some trees - but they can be useful to give a hint which you can then try to establish if it is true or not.
Here are some obits to Albert John DOOLEY just in case you don't have them
http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article145321099
http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article141852561
http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article101402744
funeral http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article141854297
http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article141854263
memoriam http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article142587008
http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article141833276
http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article141964086
Ros
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Ros you are awesome. I didn't have any of this. I have not been able to find any info on him. This gives me a start. I have checked find a grave but could not come up with anything. I need you here to show me how you can do this so quickly. I have not used TROVE and obviously should learn how to use it. My grandmother is Amy Dooley/Doherty (Gillespie) - I have spent so much time following her family. Her grandmother (Harriett Cross Munro)was not easy to follow and I am still going but making headway - I found this sight while looking for information on her. I will get better I guess. I did post on the Kilkenny site
Once again thank you
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Hi
May help http://australianroyalty.net.au/individual.php?pid=I37044&ged=purnellmccord.ged
Muss
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Hi
Arthur Dooley married Mary Tripp Wagga Wagga no 3248/ 1866
Albert J Dooley birth 23443/1878 father Arthur mother Mary Wagga Wagga
Muss
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Thanks for the good wish! Michael and Hannah were said to be from Churchill or Church Hill in Donegal; about 8 miles from Letterkenny, not Kilkenny. I've posted on the Donegal forum, but not in a long time. I hope Noleen will have more luck as she has some actual documentation.
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Thank you Muss - this is awesome - gives me more to work with. I did have the parents but the detail now confirms what I had.
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Oh dear sorry Nols I lead you astray with Kikenny - where did I get that from? A blonde moment I'm afraid. :(
We can ask the moderator to move it to the Donegal board.
Ros
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I wondered why???? How do I move it? I have lots of blonde moments and I am a brunette
Where do you live Ros. I am so grateful for your assistance. I have learnt so much today alone
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NSW Electoral Roll 1878 THE MURRUMBIDGEE
Arthur DOOLEY, Newtown, residence, Wagga Wagga.
NSW ER 1870 THE MURRUMBIDGEE
Arthur Dooly, Wagga Wagga, residence, The Murrumbidgee (JM notes the surname spelling without an ‘e’)
JM
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Hi
Arthur Dooley married Mary Tripp Wagga Wagga no 3248/ 1866
Albert J Dooley birth 23443/1878 father Arthur mother Mary Wagga Wagga
Muss
likely this would be Mary's obit . http://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/145072838 7 May 1907 Wagga Express. Many names of family included there.
ADD
http://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/145072819 further information, same newspaper etc.
JM
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NSW ER 1902, BLAND polling at Wagga.
DOOLEY
Albert John, Baylis Street, groom
Arthur, Docker St, labourer
Jessie, Fitzmaurice St, domestic duties
Mary, Cartwight’s Hill, domestic duties
JM
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It's OK Nols - I asked the moderator to move it :) I live in Sydney and I'm a brunette too ;)
adding : And there was just a message that it has been moved ...
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My grandfather Hugh Patrick Doherty B.1902 married Amy Dooley (nee Gillespie) - Amy's side of the family has proved difficult to follow through as well. Amy Gillespie married Albert Dooley who died young and then she remarried Hugh Patrick - I can't find any information of the Dooley side so I have moved onto the Doherty clan
Any help would be very much appreciated.
Nols
Marriage
6225/1922
DOHERTY Hugh P
DOOLEY Amy
At JUNEE
Birth 14667/1902
DOHERTY Hugh
Parents Hugh & Eliza
At NARRANDERA
Birth
29605/1888
GILLESPIE Amy
Alexander & Annie
At JUNEE
Death
25113/1985
DOHERTY Amy
Parents Alexander & Annie
There was a considerable age difference. Is that correct?
Amy's parents were married in Victoria
1875/1007
GILLESPIE Alexander (born Aberdeenshire)
MUNRO Annie (born Longwood)
There were children there and it looks like they then moved to Junee.
Further information is available if you do not already have it.
Sue
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Alexander died suddenly at Grong Grong where the family lived in 1905
http://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/130440608
GILLESPIE Alexander
2178/1905
Father John G
At NARRANDERA
He was buried at Grong Grong where it is recorded he was born in 1854.
Here is the death of wife Annie, though the father's name seems wrong.
GILLESPIE Annie
18634/1914
Father CROSS
Aged 58 YRS
At Narrandera
Sue
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At least 2 of Amy's (Nee GILLESPIE) brothers enlisted for WW1.
Both listed her as their Next of Kin.
http://www.naa.gov.au/collection/search/
The files are digitized for reading.
One, John GILLESPIE was born in Victoria, as were others to his parents, and his birthdate was about 1877. I do not see him under the name John, but there is a James.
He was killed in action.
Mrs Dooley advised of the death of her brother J Gillespie
http://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/result
GILLESPIE, James
Parents Alexander & Annie MUNRO
Murchison
1877/10475
Sue
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Grace DOHERTY died in 1937 in Victoria.
1937 Grace DOHERTY father Patrick, mother Mary Brennen, place of birth Rochester Vic, place of death Toorak, Vic
She was a wealthy spinster and left 1000 pounds to her cousin in Letterkenny Annie O'Callaghan and property to her 3 nieces Mary Claire Graham, Annie Graham, Grace Graham, and the residue of the estate in trust for a cousin, a sister, and the children of another sister.
http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article172567898
You can download her will for free from here https://www.prov.vic.gov.au/explore-collection/explore-topic/wills-and-probates
No sorry you can't as it is not yet digitised - only up to 1925 are digitised (another blonde moment :) ) but perhaps someone in Victoria can photograph it for you.
Ros
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BUT she had property in NSW so there is a probate packet at NSW state archives
https://www.records.nsw.gov.au/item/621344 and I can photograph this for you.
Hopefully it will have an exact address for her Irish relatives to whom she left money.
Ros
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Thank you Ros - I live on the Gold Coast now and obviously trying to get into my family history. I love it but i do take a long time to find things and then am not sure - I am getting there.
Sue - thank you for the work you have done - and yes there was a considerable age difference - my Granfather Hugh Patrick was only about 20 when he married Amy Dooley Gillespie - she had two young children. I beleive his family were not impressed with his choice. They had another 3 children. The trouble I have had is following her family back - mother Annie Munro Cross and her family. I have been working on it for some time. Annie Cross Munro used both names - I have her parents as Harriett Cross and Henry Arthur Munro - I believe Harriett had two children out of marriage and then married Henry Arthur Munro - this is where is got complicated - children used different names both Cross and Munro - and were raised by family as Harriett died aged 40 from Child birth. I am still trying to piece this together. Anything you have will always be helpful - if only to back up what i have found. I very much appreciate your work
What a wonderful site - thank you all
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sue - I have continued to read your posts. Yes Amy had two brothers who served in WW1 - one died at the battle of Bullie Court in 1917 - John Gillespie and the other returned - Robert Gillespie - I have read the records for John. We actually have letters that they wrote from the trenches - very sad
I have the marriage cert for Annie and Alexander and I have the death cert of Annie and also for Alexander - the names of parents don't add up. Different names - I believe Annie was raised by family of her father Henry munro and this could be why she has different names on the cert - she used there names as she was only very young when her mother dies.
I have had a lot of trouble following Harriett Cross (Annie's mother)
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Hi
Information re Cross Family on this site ( Rootschat) "Mary Jane Cross" posted 25 th July 2011 RAYLEN
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=545937.0
Muss
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NSW Electoral Roll 1878 THE MURRUMBIDGEE
Arthur DOOLEY, Newtown, residence, Wagga Wagga.
NSW ER 1870 THE MURRUMBIDGEE
Arthur Dooly, Wagga Wagga, residence, The Murrumbidgee (JM notes the surname spelling without an ‘e’)
JM
From Trove
http://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/145055977
Wagga Express 25 Nov 1874
Arthur DOOLEY cautioned and discharged re drunkenness
http://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/101935667
Wagga Express 22 August 1877
Luke HYLAND and Arthur DOOLEY re taking and using a horse
http://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/101938793
Wagga Advertiser 24 July 1878
Arthur DOOLEY cautioned re drunkenness
http://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/145214614 and
http://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/145214612
Wagga Express 18 June 1879
Arthur DOOLY fined 5/- with 2/6 costs.
http://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/101931268
Wagga Advertiser 2 July 1884
Arthur DOOLEY, drunk and disorderly, 10/- or one week in gaol.
http://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/101941663
Wagga Advertiser 12 March 1887
Arthur DOOLEY, Keeping unregistered dog 14/- with 4/10 costs
http://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/101897067
Wagga Advertiser 20 Sept 1890
Truant Inspector (Mr Tompson) …. Not sending their children to school … Arthur DOOLEY fined 10/- with 4/10 costs, second offence,
JM
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https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:XTZX-PHV
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:XTX2-ZJY
Arthur John DOOLEY, baptised Wagga 20 Feb 1870, born 1 August 1867, parents as Arthur and Mary DOOLEY.
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:XTZX-PHG
Alice Elizabeth Mary DOOLEY, baptised Wagga 20 Feb 1870, born 22 November 1868, parents as Arthur and Mary DOOLEY
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:XT8T-LHG
Alice Mary DOOLEY, baptised St Michael’s, Wagga, 2 November 1894, born 28 Nov 1870, parents as Arthur DOOLEY and Mary TRIPP (NSW BDM seems to have this birth as 1869 :) or perhaps there were two daughters baptised Alice ... )
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:XTZX-LHZ
Hannah Chapman DOOLEY, baptised Wagga 19 Nov 1871, born 28 Oct 1870, parents as Arthur and Mary DOOLEY
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:XT8T-LX6
Jessie Theresa Gertrude DOOLEY baptised St Michaels Wagga 10 Dec 1894, born 8 April 1887, parents as Arthur DOOLEY and Mary TRIPP.
JM notes that there may be transcription error, as there’s a birth registered in April 1881, but not in 1887 at NSW BDM online index.
NSW BDM Online INDEX – registered Wagga district DOOLEY, parents Arthur & Mary
1867 – Arthur J, #17072
1869 – Alice E M #18849
1875 – Agnes #20903
1878 – Albert J #23443
1881 – Jessie #22114
NSW BDM online INDEX registered Wagga, Arthur & Mary …
1870 – Hannah DEWLLEY #18178 … this spelling is likely a transcription error
Jessie’s 1881 birth registration should include the details of all her older siblings, as well as her parents origins etc. The Official Transcription of that civil registration will have all the same details as a real deal certificate.
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=369703.0 NSW resources board
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,300394.0 Transcription Agents
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,546609.0 elusive blanks on NSW marriage certs.
JM
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WOW. Thank you. That is so much information for me to work with. I should be able to put. The Dooley side well and truely on my tree. Although I am not blood related - as he was my grandmothers first husband- but his children were my aunt and uncle. Thank you
I would like to ask one more question of you - my father was raised as a ward of the state in South Australia. How do I go about getting information in relation to this. He was raised in foster homes. I have a lot of his family history but would like to have info on why he was given into car - mi know his father was not a good person in and out of the courts and gaol. His mother remarried and had another 12 children. Thank you again for all this help
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Hi Nols,
Sorry I can't help you with finding out info about S.A wards of state.
But I have sent you a personal message with links to the probate records. To read personal messages just click on MY MESSAGES in the brown banner at the top of the page.
Ros
(sent you the same pm Meg :) )