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Wales (Counties as in 1851-1901) => Merionethshire => Wales => Merionethshire Lookup Requests => Topic started by: jones9 on Tuesday 06 August 13 23:19 BST (UK)
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If anyone has access to the Llandrillo parish records could they please see if there's a Thomas Jones baptised around 1776/1778, son of Thomas Jones also.
Many thanks!
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There are two around that time ;D
9 April 1775 to Thomas and Margt, of Aberalwen (maybe a bit early)
22 Sep 1778 Thos to Thomas and Mary, of Bodheulog
Deirdre
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1775 is very interesting!!!!
Corwen parish registers have one in 1776 to Thomas and Margaret in Aberalwen, Corwen - undoubtedly the same place!!
I've found a will dated 1817 which I think is the father (Thomas) who lives in Corwen but has land in Llandrillo.
Can you tell me as much as you can find out about this family! Was there an Edward and John born to them/their marriage??
Thanks this is a great help! :D
By the way are you using the Clwyd FHS booklets? I'll by a copy if there's enough weight to convince me it's the right people! Thanks so much!!
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Is there a burial perhaps for the 1775 birth? I don't want to get carried away and presume it to be the same family just yet!
Also, which Llandrillo is this - Llandrillo-yn-Rhos or Llandrillo-yn-Edeirnion?
Thanks!
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By the way are you using the Clwyd FHS booklets? I'll by a copy if there's enough weight to convince me it's the right people! Thanks so much!!
Haven't got those sorry; will look at the rest later ;D
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Ok thanks Deridre,
I found an 1817 burial on familysearch which has a birth date of 1740 - so this one seems likely!
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Was there an Edward and John born to them/their marriage??
Not found an Edward but there is a John at Llandrillo, 3 July 1781, to Thomas and Margaret of Trewyn?
Both baptisms (John and Thomas) just say Llandrillo, not yn Rhos (not seen yn-Edeirnion).
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Ok thanks for this!
Llandrillo-yn-Rhos is up on the North Coast by Llanduno. I think Llandrillo-yn-Edeirnion is just Llandrillo - if it's in Merionethshire it's the right place anyway!
Corwen parish registers have the exact same entry on the same date - John Jones son of Thomas and Margaret of Trewyn. Could this be a mistake with the transcribing maybe?
What about an 1740 birth/marriage between Thomas and Margaret?
Many thanks for your time this is a great help! :D
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This is the Llandrillo in question-5 miles S.W. of Corwen
http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/wal/MER/Llandrillo/
Regards
Roger
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What about an 1740 birth/marriage between Thomas and Margaret?
There's a marriage in Llandrillo on 9 Jan 1759 for Thomas Jones of Llanarmon and Margaret Roberts of Llandrillo. Thomas and Margaret signed x
Witnesses John Evans and Edward Jones.
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Quite a few Thomas Jones baptisms around that time sorry ;D
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Ok thanks for looking this up.
I've found a marriage license on the NLW for that date and it has Llandrillo-yn-Rhos although that could be a transcription error?
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Also, is there any way to get the other details from such as parents' names from a parish record on familysearch? the Llandrillo ones at least just have name of child and date.
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https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/KCGR-Z1Z
This one for example just has name and date??
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Just noticed that 9 April 1776 Corwen there is the same baptism for Thomas Jones, Aberalwen that took place in Llandrillo 9 April 1775 - I presume this is likely to be an error in at least one case?
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I suspect the marriage on NLW may be a mis-transcription(though one is Jan 3,the other Jan 9,perhaps different banns).
The main point is that the record Deirdre 784 quoted has Samuel Mytton as the minister,and he is the minister of Llandrillo,Merionethshire-his will is at the National Archives.
Regards
Roger
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Just noticed that 9 April 1776 Corwen there is the same baptism for Thomas Jones, Aberalwen that took place in Llandrillo 9 April 1775 - I presume this is likely to be an error in at least one case?
Just checked this - the transcription index says 1775 but the actual entry says 1776 (sorry :-[)
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Roger,
Thanks for this bit of detective work!
Deirdre,
Thanks for your help!
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Do you think it's unlikely to be the same family of the Thomas Jones mentioned in the will?
He appears to have lived in Corwen but been from Llandrillo originally as he asks to be buried in the same grave as his father there - I think that marriage is perhaps unlikely if he was born ca.1741 as the burial record 15 Feb 1817 suggests, also as he would most likely have been 'of Llandrillo', but perhaps married in a different parish?
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Do you have any info for the John Jones that has been mentioned born in 1781?
Regards
William Russell Jones.
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The truth is I'd be delighted for any link to a John Jones who with his wife Mary had three children born in Glyndyfrdwy,Mary(1898),Margaret(1799) and John(1801).Needless to say perhaps that I am a direct descendant of the family!
Regards.
William Russell Jones.
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Assuming you are referring to the will of Thomas Jones,1817,Corwen,Gent - as I said could that possibly relate to a death of 1814(when the will was written)- Thomas Jones of Bonwm aged 87 ?
There is a Llandrillo 1726 record for Thomas Jones son of Edward and Margaret of Bodheulog,which might then tie in with the 1778 record cited by Deirdre784.
Regards
Roger
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Roger thanks for your reply. I'm not sure that it is the correct man in the will anyway (as father to Thomas born 1776). There doesn't seem to be an Edward Jones born to him - I am expecting to see an Edward somewhere however as Thomas' (b.1776) son was called Edward. The most likely person is Thomas Jones of Plas Adda, Tre'r Ddol and his wife Catherine. Their Thomas however was born 1770 so too early for my ancestor. As per the 'William Jones grocer Corwen" thread I'm back to trying to find Thomas' parents!
WRJ,
The John Jones I have born 1781 was baptised in Trewyn, Corwen (which is out towards Glyndyfyrdwy way). His parents were Thomas and Margaret Jones. Did your John Jones marry in Glyndyfrywdy? I can look at the Corwen registers for a marriage if you think he may have married here. Also the John Jones did survive beyond infancy - they had a John Jones born 1772 who died later that year previously. As to their parents that's what I'm trying to work out for sure - at least I'm narrowing down possibilities.
In the Corwen parish registers there's the burial of a Thomas Jones in 1793 and the year later his wife Margaret. This is my last lead however looks unlikely as there was a Thomas and Margaret who had children in the parish ca. 1750 who have had no burial accounted for in the registers!
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I'm not sure where John Jones and Mary married.With names like that it is pretty difficult to pinpoint a marriage!
Regards
William Russell Jones.
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WRJ,
There's also a John Jones baptised 12 Sept 1780, son of John and Mary of Cwm, Carrog. In addition to the one I mentioned in 1781 (who I now think actually died in infancy also!), there's a John Jones baptised 4 Nov 1781 son of Richard and Catherine, (just) of Corwen. Carrog definitely is quite towards Glyndyfrydwy so perhaps this one is more likely? There aren't any convincing marriages in Corwen, the closest is between John Jones and Magdalen Thomas in 1797. Also in 1797 is John Jones and Margaret Beans, although I don't suppose either of them are particularly likely! There are quite a few on familysearch - a possible one in Wrexham 1797?
I've found another will now of Thomas Jones of Plas Newydd, Carrog, d.1829 - he had a son Thomas and there is an Edward Jones as a witness. There's a grandchild, Thomas Jones (son of John) who I notice from the 1851 census (if same family) was born ca.1820. I can't find a burial in Corwen however so perhaps it was in Carrog. Can anyone find his burial record for age at death? Would he have been born early enough for his son Thomas Jones to be born around 1776? I know this one's maybe unlikely again but a death in the 1820s would seem logical as their son returned for a brief period around that point.
There's also a will for Margaret Jones d.1826 Pen y Bryn, Mwstwr, Corwen - an apparent burial at this time suggests she was born ca.1745, so this could be possible also! If anyone can find her husband it would be a great help - can't find any other wills at Pen y Bryn except for Edward her son, I'd imagine. I'm trying to see if there's a Thomas Jones connected to this farm who might be her husband.
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Thanks,there may also be marriages for a John Jones and my Mary at Llangollen which is not that far away really.
Regards
William Russell Jones.
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I'm not sure which burial relating to the Plas Newydd family you are l;ooking for.However I think the reference for 1841 is HO107 1428 3/5 4 where the head of household is Richard Jones(1766).He may of course not be the father or grandfather of Thomas/John.
Regards
Roger
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The will is Thomas Jones 1829 Plas Newydd at NLW. I missed that census record however his eldest son to whom he gives his farm is Richard Jones - so that may be the man in question. Can you perhaps find a burial in Carrog around that time? Thanks for you help Roger.
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I'm interested in the dates of births for his children/his wife to see if it could be the right family at last!
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If it is Richard Jones burial you are looking for(and,if not,please specify the name and any dates associated) - I haven't found that,but his will written in 1837 and proved in 1844 is at NLW under Plasnewydd Cwm Carrog,Montgomery!
Regards
Roger
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Edit: I've found Richard born 1768, son of Thomas and Ann of Plas Newydd - this is their only birth in the area.
I've noticed on family search there's a Thomas Jones baptised 9 December 1778 Llansantffraid Glyndyfrdwy (i.e. Carrog), amongst others - could anyone please look this up/this area in general and see when their other children were born as they don't appear in the Corwen parish registers and I think Carrog (originally called Llansantffraid Glyndyfrdwy) had it's own parish around this point? - correct me if I'm wrong in thinking this!
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Roger thanks for finding that will - his fathers' here: http://cat.llgc.org.uk/cgi-bin/gw/chameleon?sessionid=2013080818270109849&skin=profeb&lng=en&inst=consortium&function=EXTERNAL_CONTENT&externalurltype=856u&externalurl=http%3a%2f%2fdams.llgc.org.uk%2fintegration%2fbehaviour%2fllgc-id%3a959820%2ffedora-bdef%3azoom%2fllgc-id%3a959818%2f193.61.220.233%2fen
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Carrog was part of the Parish of Llansaintffraid Glyndyfrdwy but it was never known as such.
Regards
William Russell Jones.
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The baptism you specified is not the one ,but there is one for Jan 3 1773 under Llansantffraid Glyndyfyrdwy for Thomas son of Thomas Jones and Ann of Carrog.
It's too late now to look for other siblings-I'll try tomorrow.
Regards
Roger
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Hi, had a quick look from 1763 to 1783 and only found one apart from Thomas in 1773:
Catherine 26 Jun 1770
Deirdre
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Ok thanks for your help all!
It doesn't look like this is the right Thomas then, I think 1773 is a bit too early!
The 1776 Corwen baptism is definitely the right one I think. So I'm in search of his parents Thomas and Margaret again - there are burials in 1782/3 but I think they're likely to be for the Thomas and Margaret who had children abut 10/20 years earlier?
I'm starting to think it's probably likely that Thomas and Margaret moved to Chester in the 1780's, although I'm having a hard time finding any evidence for this - but then it puzzles me why their son Thomas would return to Corwen for a few years in the 1820s, where he had a daughter Margaret b. ca. 1826 to his wife Margaret (this is attested for in several censuses although can't find baptism as of yet).
That said, there's still this burial for Margaret in 1826 who was born ca.1745 although this is annoyingly not been published online by the NLW for some reason. Found here: http://cat.llgc.org.uk/cgi-bin/gw/chameleon?sessionid=2013080818270109849&skin=profeb&lng=en&inst=consortium&host=localhost%2b9901%2bDEFAULT&patronhost=localhost%209901%20DEFAULT&searchid=1&sourcescreen=INITREQ&pos=1&itempos=1&rootsearch=SCAN&function=INITREQ&search=AUTHID&authid=6990784&authidu=1003
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Given your latest opinion it may not matter,but there was an Edward Jones (1771) under Llansantffraid Glyndyfyrdwy,the parents were "of Carrog",but their names were missing due to damage,not just illegible.
I'm also struggling to find the 1776 baptism you refer to-where does that come from?
Regards
Roger
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Roger,
Many thanks for your help - I really do appreciate everyone's efforts here. I've been studying all the records I can find for Thomas Jones to try ans solve this problem. I've narrowed down quite a few possibilities and it would seem the 1776 9 April baptism for Thomas Jones, son of Thomas and Margaret is the only possibility in Corwen.
However, without appearing to be moving along at too much of a whirlwind pace, I've re-posted a more refined question, based on what I've narrowed my search down to, here: http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=657015.new
I know my search appears to have drifted off on a tangent from my initial question but I'm definitely getting closer!
Thanks,
Jones9