RootsChat.Com
Scotland (Counties as in 1851-1901) => Scotland => West Lothian (Linlithgowshire) => Topic started by: Chrisvp on Thursday 08 August 13 18:56 BST (UK)
-
Hello,
I have started doing my wife's genealogy and have hit a brick wall on finding her ancestor
William Maxwells parents. William Maxwell was married to Martha Dallas/Dallis/Daules in Bathgate West Lothian on 28 Mar. 1864. I have found their marriage record and children on Familysearch
But am unable to pin down when or where William and Martha were born.
Their Son, my wife's ancestor was George Niven Maxwell and he was born 15 May 1874 in Torpichen.
Any help would be much appreciated.
Regards,
Chris
-
Hi Chris,
Have you looked at William and Martha's marriage certificate on Scotland's People?
The original cert. should provide you with both bride and groom's parents names.
Looby :)
Added- Should also have ages of William and Martha recorded which will give you a better idea of their D.O.B's.
-
Hi Looby,
I try to use pay sites to the minimum, I have wasted some money on following false leads.
I will use it as a last resort if I have to.
Thanks,
Chris
-
Ok Chris,
Sorry I can't help any further.
Looby :)
-
Hi Chris,
Looking at the 1891 for the Maxwell family, William was born c.1831, Glasgow and Martha was born c.1838, New Monkland,
JJ
Added - the 1881 shows William born c.1835 and Martha c.1843 ???
1871 - William c.1835, Barony Parish, Glasgow and Martha c.1841, New Monkland
-
Hi JJ,
Now why did I not see that when I Looked :o Once again you have come to the rescue!
I guess I shouldn't research 4 or 5 families at the same time.
Many Regards,
Chris
-
Hello Chris,
Woodbank Cemetery, Torphichen
George Maxwell, Westriggs, died 19/11/1946 aged 73 years. He is the only one buried in the lair.
There are 12 Maxwell burials in Woodbank. Willing to type up if they will be of help. Woodbank burials are dated between 1899 and 1945.
Mags
-
Hello Mags,
This well could be a relative of my wife's family. Her great Grandfather was George Niven Maxwell
B.1875 d.1950, he died in Cumberland, British Columbia, Canada and most of his relatives remained in Scotland and England. It would be wonderful if you transcribed those graves, it might give me more leads.
Many thanks,
Chris
-
Hello Chris,
Have sent you a PM.
Mags
-
Thank you again :D
-
There was a George Maxwell a miner, Armadale, who has five kids listed in Bathgate Mortality Records, 1891-1922, John, Janet, Rachel, Mary & George.
Skoosh.
http://www.lothianlives.org.uk/
http://www.wlfhs.org.uk/
http://www.armadale.org.uk/indexhistory.htm
-
Hello Chris,
Had a "middle of the night" moment. Where were they buried before 1899? Looked at the Bathgate records and there is family from Woodend from 1876 to 1898. Have sent you a PM.
Mags
-
Me again Chris.
Martha was living in Armadale at the time of her death. She is buried in the same lair as William. Info in PM.
Mags
-
Hi Chris,
On the 1851 Census there is a Martha Dallas lodging 77 Hall Craig Street, Airdrie New Monkland. She is a 14 year old Factory girl (d.o.b 1836/37?) born New Monkland.
Martha is lodging with a family called Roberts.
Also lodging at this address are-
George Niven age 27 Ironstone Miner born Glasgow
James Niven age 18 Ironstone Miner born New Monkland.
Looby :)
-
Just a suggestion,
Maybe Martha's name (the one she was christened with) was actually Margaret.
There is a Margaret Dallas born at New Monkland 3 Nov 1836 and christened 11 Dec 1836 - her father is George Dallas her mother Margaret Niven.
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/XY7H-SW1
This would make sense with Martha calling her son George Niven Maxwell.
Also wonder if the girl I found on 1851 Census lodging along with 2 Nivens (George and James) is perhaps alone with cousins or uncles??
Looby :)
-
Deaths of three kids of William Maxwell, miner, Woodend, Lewis J, Maggey & Janet, 1876/77, in Bathgate Mortality Records.
Skoosh.
-
Hello Skoosh,
Martha is buried in same lair as William. Section H Lair 55, Glasgow Road Paulville. Have sent PM to Chris with the information of all in lair.
Mags
-
Hi Again Chris.
Margaret Nivin married George Dallas at New Monkland Aug 1836.
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/XT1W-G4J
Margaret Niven married Alexander Lamond at New Monkland Jul 1840
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/XT1W-XJ6
Suspect this is the same woman - George Dallas probably died :(
1841 Census Graham Street, Airdrie , New Monkland
Alexander Lamond age 25 Coal Miner born outside Census County
Margret Lamond age 25 born Lanarkshire
Martha Lamond age 4 born Lanarkshie
George Lamond age 3 born "
Robert Lamond age 5 months born "
I'm sure this is Martha in 1841 on the Census with her stepfather's surname.
Margaret Niven and George Dallas also had a son George in 1838 -https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/XT1W-XJ6
Can't find a birth for Robert Lamond but would assume he was Alexander Lamond's son going by the dates.
And can't find any of the family ( bar Martha lodging with the Roberts and with the 2 Nivens) on the 1851.
Looby :)
-
You guys are great!
I just started to make some connections and you have managed to tie up many loose strings.
I also have found the Maxwell Tombstone and it also confirms many of the facts that you have found for me. I also found on the Armadale website a question from a lady living in Peterborough, Ontario, Canada who is originally from the UK and a Maxwell, she is also researching the family. I have sent her an email with much of the info you guys have provided. I believe she is my wife's second cousin.
Cheers,
Chris
-
Hi there
William was born in Glasgow about 1835
Martha was born in airdrie about 1843martha dallas Maxwell died 24 jan 1912 she died at lower bathville armadale aged 74
William died 23 march 1898 aged 62 he was a miner from woodend
Both are buried in paulville cem Bathgate and if you want any more details re grave and who is in it let me know one last thing who was george maxwells wife
Terry and usher
ps if you want to more please send a p message as i find this site takes a lot of time for blind people who use screen readers
-
Hi: I just happened to find this site when researching my grandfather.
My grandfather was George Niven Maxwell......born in Torpichen in 1874. He immigrated to the U.S (I do not know what year) and in 1909 his wife Isabella (Sharpe) Maxwell and daughter Barbara left Scotland and joined him. (Ship's name was "California" ). In 1910 they left the U.S. and came to Canada to settle in Merritt B.C. Four more children were born in Merritt...William, James, Douglas and Jessie.
I am trying to find the year that George left Scotland and immigrated to the U.S. would you happen to have this info?
mekennedy
-
Hi MeKennedy,
I am not sure when George immigrated to the US, I'll ask my wife if she has any idea and I will have a look around the net. I know he left Scotland to mine in the Southern States and then came up to Canada to mine. George is my wife's great Grandfather.
Regards,
Chris
-
Hi MeKennedy,
Just talked to my wife and she thinks roughly between 1903 and 1904. I will check familysearch and see if they have any records.
-
Thanks so much Chris......I will check as well. I know he spent time in Arkansas working In the mines and also went to Australia to work in the mines there. I only met him a few times so it is interesting to find out more about him.
mekennedy
-
Hi,
So you must know (*) and James Shaw? My wife is (*).
(*) Moderator Comment:
Edited in accordance with RootsChat policy of not publishing details of living people here, or details of people who may still be living. This is to protect all concerned from spam, identity abuse, internet abuse, etc, etc.
Please use the Personal Message (PM) system for exchanging personal data.
-
Jimmie shaw.....Osoyoos? Was his mother Barbara? My parents took me to visit Jimmie when I was young. I remember Auntie Barbara. We often visited her in Penticton.
-
Yes, Jimmie was my wife's father, he was one of Barbara's children. He passed away in 1982.
The family still have the orchards in Osoyoos. Jimmies wife (*) still lives on the orchard at 87 years of age. My wife would like to know who you are, she thinks your one of her relatives in the states.
(*) Moderator Comment:
Edited in accordance with RootsChat policy of not publishing details of living people here, or details of people who may still be living. This is to protect all concerned from spam, identity abuse, internet abuse, etc, etc.
Please use the Personal Message (PM) system for exchanging personal data.
-
(*) , William Maxwell's daughter. ( His sister was Barbara). I live in Vancouver. My father was very fond of his nephew Jimmie.
(*) Moderator Comment:
Edited in accordance with RootsChat policy of not publishing details of living people here, or details of people who may still be living. This is to protect all concerned from spam, identity abuse, internet abuse, etc, etc.
Please use the Personal Message (PM) system for exchanging personal data.
-
Ok, (*) knows you now, her sisters (*) live in the Lower mainland, Surrey, Maple ridge. I am still looking for info on George and will let you know if I find any thing. There is quite abit of info. On familysearch.org about the Maxwell family and of course on this forum.
Regards,
Chris
(*) Moderator Comment:
Edited in accordance with RootsChat policy of not publishing details of living people here, or details of people who may still be living. This is to protect all concerned from spam, identity abuse, internet abuse, etc, etc.
Please use the Personal Message (PM) system for exchanging personal data.
-
Hi Chris: Thanks for the info.....I am trying to join the dots.. Barbara had a large family and I have only heard of them through stories my father would tell. Was it one of Margot's sisters who had triplets? I remember my dad telling me that they were born in maple ridge.
M.
-
Yes, those are (*)
Although (*) is the youngest she certainly knows the her family history, if you have any questions for her let me know.
(*) Moderator Comment:
Edited in accordance with RootsChat policy of not publishing details of living people here, or details of people who may still be living. This is to protect all concerned from spam, identity abuse, internet abuse, etc, etc.
Please use the Personal Message (PM) system for exchanging personal data.
-
Wow! Tell (*) thank you very much. (I have a lovely photo of the triplets as babies.)
My dad passed away in 1995 and I am working on trying to fit the pieces together of his family.
I will take your suggestion and try family search as a starter.
Thanks much.
M.
(*) Moderator Comment:
Edited in accordance with RootsChat policy of not publishing details of living people here, or details of people who may still be living. This is to protect all concerned from spam, identity abuse, internet abuse, etc, etc.
Please use the Personal Message (PM) system for exchanging personal data.
-
Hi Chrisvp and mekennedy,
I am glad that you have managed to find each other, and are so excited with this, but you are quoting living persons name's and these could be used by others in identity and other internet scams, please use the Personal Message (PM) system. Under the other person's name, is a small icon that looks like a "letter" with 3 lines on it. Clicking on that allows you to PM that person, hope this helps, and you continue your joint research.
Tom
-
I try to use pay sites to the minimum, I have wasted some money on following false leads.
I will use it as a last resort if I have to.
In the case of Scotland's People, it should be almost your first port of call, because it is the only place where you get orginal birth, marriage, and death information, and census records. Even if you get information from another sourse, you still need to check it against the original to make sure it is correct.
The 1871 census will tell you where they were both born, and the marriage certificate will tell you the names of both sets of parents. These two bits of information will cost you 12 credits on SP, which amounts to just under £2.80, which is less than the cost of one pint of some brands of beer; and anyone else kind enough to look them up for you will have to pay exactly the same.