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Research in Other Countries => Canada => Topic started by: barryd on Sunday 11 August 13 16:42 BST (UK)
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I have basic information on this soldier and additional information on where/parish he was married to Elizabeth WOOD. Elizabeth was married THREE times in England. This does not seem to be evident in any published genealogy. Known Canadian residences of Robert are Malton and Scarborough, Ontario.
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What year/years are you looking at. What was his profession and was he still married to Elizabeth when in Canada. Do you have date of death. More info will help fellow rootschatters find him.
Lilybell
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Robert was either still in the Canadian Army on marriage day 28 April 1919 or had been "demobbed" and was still in England. His civilian occupation was Labourer and he was 21 years old when he married. However if his age on enlistment day was correct he would actually have been 19 years, 11 months and 24 days old when he married. Born 4 March 1899. Obviously the prospect of getting his parents' (in Canada) permission for the marriage did not appeal to him. Robert died 1 May 1955, Scarborough, Ontario.
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What type of information are you looking for?
He enlisted 9 Jan 1917 in W. Toronto, Ontario
Ernest Rollings
Reg # 1024533
Next of kin - father, Thomas William Rollings, Malton, ON.
b. 4 March 1899
If my math is correct, he would have been 20 years and almost 2 months at time of marriage in 1919. If in the military, he would not have needed his parents permission to marry, only his superior officer.
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www.collectionscanada.gc.ca/databases/cef/index-e.html
I forgot to put this link in the last post. You can order his military file using the information from his attestation papers at the site above.
You can access the 1901 and 1911 census for free at both of the following sites
http://www.bac-lac.gc.ca/eng/census/Pages/census.aspx
http://automatedgenealogy.com
You can also access the 1921 census through ancestry.ca for free. It is not indexed and you have to sort through pages of census and it is helpful if you know the district and ward. You do have a bit of info to go by as you have the district from 1911 and you can also check under Malton. If will be time consuming but you may get lucky and find something.
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Trying to multi task and it is not working too well at present.
1901/Ontario/Peel/Toronto Township
Rollings, Wm, age 45
Frances, age 45
William, age 13
Charley, age 9
Louisa, age 7
Alice, age 4
Ernest, age 2, 4 March 1899
also Minnie Rollings, age 18, servant in the household of Daniel Allen
1911/Ontario/ District Peel/Sub Dist Toronto
Rollings, William, 54, Occupation - engineer
Francis, 57
Louise, 17
Alice, 14
EArnest, 12, March 1899
Separate
Rollings, Charles, age 20 in Peel, Toronto
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Redg June 1919 - Marriage.
Robert E Rollings to Herman Lanchester 10a 797
Elizabeth Herman to Rollings Lanchester 10a 797
Sandra
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Elizabeth Rollings travelled London to Montreal arriving 5 Oct 1919 on the Tunisian. Elizabeth aged 24 years. Going to join husband - Malta Ontario.
Sandra
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From a message board post :- "Robert Ernest Rollings,who married a Elizabeth Woods in April 28,1919 in Harelow Church, Annfield Plain,Eng.C/O Durham during his war service"
http://genforum.genealogy.com/woods/messages/7067.html
Sandra
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I just checked the 1921 census for Malton and found the parents Thomas and Frances on York St. but didin't find Ernest and Elizabeth
Ontario/Peel/Subdistrict 30 Toronto Township? page 10, lines 1 and 2
Have you contacted the Scarborough library to ask for an obituary lookup.
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Many thanks for all of your help. The background of the Rollings family in Canada was new to me as I was concentrating on the English side and the Russian side of Elizabeth's second husband. Not one "message board post" of the ones on the Internet have any knowledge of the second husband of Elizabeth. I was hoping that some relatives of the Rollings, especially in Canada would be RootsChatters but there has been no response yet.
Sandra indicates the marriage as:
Robert E Rollings to Herman Lanchester 10a 797
Elizabeth Herman to Rollings Lanchester 10a 797
Which breaks down to:
1st Marriage Elizabeth Wood/Thomas Hudson Jun Qtr. 1914, Lanchester. Gunner Thomas Hudson killed 22 October 1916, Contalmaison, France.
2nd Marriage the now widow Elizabeth Wood Hudson marries Private Arthur C. Herman, Canadian Infantry, Dec Qtr. 1917, Lanchester. Arthur C. Herman died Warrington, Lancashire, 1 April 1918. In Warrington there was a "shell shock" hospital. This is possibly why he died there. His body is brought to Harelaw, County Durham and is buried there with a Commonwealth War Graves Commission marker. Arthur's birthplace is Mohil(i)ev, Russia (now Belarus). Parents Benjamin and Pearl Herman emigrated to New York City with Arthur. Then Arthur alone moved to Canada where he was a Cheesemaker. The marriage lasted a maximum of 6 months and a minimum of 3 months, possibly the latter if the marriage occurred at Christmas leave time 1917.
3rd Marriage widow Elizabeth Wood Hudson Herman married Robert Ernest Rollins 28 April 1919 at St. Thomas, C of E Parish of Collierley, Harelaw, County Durham. The church is 100 yards + from the grave of Arthur.
The question remains how did Arthur (a Russian born, New York raised Private Soldier in the Canadian Army) get to County Durham and marry Elizabeth. I believe it may have been a act of kindness by (friend) Robert Rollings taking him on leave with him. Then Robert married his widow who he probably knew at the time of her marriage.
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It appears that your main request is about Arthur Herman. Your best bet to get some answers would be his military file. The file will have where he was at all times in England. Where he was stationed and when, his dates of leave, his time in military hospitals and where, transfers between battalions. The files are very precise.
There are two sets of Attestation Papers for Arthur Herman.
Reg. # 171785
83rd Battalion
b. 24 Nov. 1885, Russia
NOK - Pearl Herman, Mother, 743 N 26th St. Philadelphia, PA
enlisted Aug 7, 1915, Toronto
he was fit for duty so only his military file will tell why he re-enlisted in 1916
Reg. # 775632
126th Overseas Battalion
address 168 Spadina Ave. Toronto
b. Russia
father Benjamin Herman
731 N 26th St. Philadelphia, PA
b. Nov 24, 1886
enlisted 21 Jan 1916, Toronto
On his Attestation Papers it states he transferred from 126th BN to 234th BN on 5/9/16.
I went back to Ernest Rollings Attestation Papers and the BN wasn't listed on it so I went to the list of Regimental numbers given to the battalions in WW1 and his Reg # is for the 234th Battalion. so at some point they were in the same battalion. It was also listed on his Attestation Papers that he was not to be sent overseas until after his 19th birthday.
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does anyone have any photos of Elizabeth or Arthur Herman ? From his service file - Private Arthur Herman 775632 died on 1 April 1918 while int he hospital in England. He had been transferred to the 3rd and shows as a 3rd Bn casualty.
He attested with the 126th in Toronto on 21 January 1916 at 29 years of age. He was born on 24 November 1886 in Mohlup Russia and listed his next of kin at his father Benjamin who resided at 731 N 26th St Philadelphia. His calling was that of a cheesemaker, who was not married. He was 5' 2 1/2" 125lbs with a dark complexion, brown eyes and black hair. His address in Toronto was 168 Spadina Ave.
While undergoing training in Canada he had some trouble adapting to military life as he was given 7 days confined to barracks, 28 days detention and 7 days CB for refusing guard duty. He was AWL for 5 days also. Between 21 July 1916 and 5 Sept 1916 he was in Kapuskasing Hospital for a hernia. As a result of his troubles he was transferred to the 234th Bn prior to going to England.
He departed Canada from Halifax on 18 April 1917, and arrived in Liverpool England aboard the SS Scandanavian on 1 May 1917 and was sent to the 12th Res Bn with the majority of his mates, at East Sandling.
In mid-November 1917 he was to be sent to the 3rd Bn but was given permission to marry Mrs. Elizabeth Rollings of 50 Annfield Place, Annfield Plain, Durham England, before he left for France on 12 Nov 1917. In late-December 1917 he was taken in by 12 Cdn Fd Amb and sent to No. 18 CCS. He was PUO (pyrexia of unknown origin (PUO) refers to a condition in which the patient has an elevated temperature (fever) but despite investigations by a physician no explanation has been found.)
On 27 Jan 1918 he was diagnosed as having epilepsy and within a month diagnosed as having a mild nervous breakdown. He was hopsitalized for in early March for "mental observation and was SOS'd from the 3rd and put into a Labour Pool on 18 March 1918 in England. On 21 March 1918 a doctor noted that he was "mentally inaccesible." On 26 March 1918 he was considered seriously ill and sent to Lord Derby War Hospital in Warrington, where he died as a result of cardiac failure. Itis noted in his medical file, in some detail that he had breakfast at 8am, egg, milk and some tea. At 9:30am he collapsed with no struggle.His cardfiac was sow and he died a few minutes later. It seems as though he was to be returned to Canada, but died prior to leaving England. He is buried in Stanley (Harelaw) Cemetery, Durham, United Kingdom.