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Title: mystery ann e
Post by: dwalin on Tuesday 14 June 05 11:58 BST (UK)
 ::)hi i have a gggranma ann e.(married name lyton or leighton)she was born 1857 in most possibly okengates shropshire(unsure of correct spelling so sorry if im wrong)she married a john l layton/leighton.they had quite a few children.in clueding my ggranma mary elizabeth layton.born 1883.someone has helped me find them in co durham where they were in 1891.does anyone have a ann e (something).who married and moved to the north or who jut movd to the north.i know its a very long shot but well i can only try.thanks julie.
Title: Re: mystery ann e
Post by: ggrocott on Tuesday 14 June 05 12:32 BST (UK)
Do you know Anne's maiden name?  The 1881 census shows an Ann Heathcote wife of James born 1857, Okengates Shropshire - James could have died and she re-married. 

Gill
Title: Re: mystery ann e
Post by: ec on Tuesday 14 June 05 13:04 BST (UK)
This looks like them in 1881

John LEIGHTON   Head   M   Male   23   Baguilt Flint Wales   Coal Miner     
Eliz. LEIGHTON   Wife   M   Female   24   Oakengates Shropshire
Margt. LEIGHTON   Daur      Female   4   Croxdale, Durham
Joseph HUGHES   Lodger   U   Male   22   Flint, Wales   Coal Miner Putter 

Tudhoe, Durham, England
RG11  4958 / 107
Page  13


Age and place of birth look right for the wife - she was probably Elizabeth Ann/Ann Elizabeth
Title: Re: mystery ann e
Post by: ec on Tuesday 14 June 05 13:39 BST (UK)
I think this is John with his family in 1871.  They are down as Latton, but if you look at the 1881 record, the same Joseph Hues/Hughs is with them and also the same Stephen (lodger) that was with them in 1891 is a possible brother to John

Latton
John Latton b1818  Flint, Wales Head 
Mary Latton b 1819  Flint, Wales Wife 
William Latton b 1856  Flint, Wales Son 
John Latton b 1858  Flint, Wales Son 
Benjamen Latton b 1860  Flint, Wales Son 
Stephen Latton b 1863  Flint, Wales Son 
Joseph Hues b1859  Flint, Wales Grandson

RG10/4912 folio 22 page 37
RD    Stockton
SubRD   Sedgefield
ED   18
Parish Trimdon

Title: Re: mystery ann e
Post by: dwalin on Tuesday 14 June 05 13:51 BST (UK)
thank you .this could possibly be them.but where is his wife ann/elizabeth.in her place is a mary.could ann elizabeth be his second wife.its a good point about the lodger though.quite a big coinsedence.did they change names as much as this i have now three different spellings on the name layton.thank you julie.
Title: Re: mystery ann e
Post by: dwalin on Tuesday 14 June 05 13:53 BST (UK)
Do you know Anne's maiden name?  The 1881 census shows an Ann Heathcote wife of James born 1857, Okengates Shropshire - James could have died and she re-married. 

Gill
i dont know if im ansering you right but im afriad i dont have her maiden name at all.oh shes a challenge.thank you.
Title: Re: mystery ann e
Post by: dwalin on Tuesday 14 June 05 13:55 BST (UK)
This looks like them in 1881

John LEIGHTON   Head   M   Male   23   Baguilt Flint Wales   Coal Miner     
Eliz. LEIGHTON   Wife   M   Female   24   Oakengates Shropshire
Margt. LEIGHTON   Daur      Female   4   Croxdale, Durham
Joseph HUGHES   Lodger   U   Male   22   Flint, Wales   Coal Miner Putter 

Tudhoe, Durham, England
RG11  4958 / 107
Page  13


Age and place of birth look right for the wife - she was probably Elizabeth Ann/Ann Elizabeth
yes i think this is them.im going to have to dig a bit deeper to find the rest.but i thank you very much.julie
Title: Re: mystery ann e
Post by: ec on Tuesday 14 June 05 13:56 BST (UK)
Julie

The 1871 record with John and Mary as wife is your John with his parents (before he married Ann/Elizabeth).
Title: Re: mystery ann e
Post by: dwalin on Tuesday 14 June 05 14:16 BST (UK)
 ::)hi sorry i have reread it and i now see what you mean.i have only been doing this for about five months or so and still get confused with things.would this be normal then for the names to change so much.i now have john and ann leighton  in 1881 thanks to you i can see its the same family.as they also have john hughes as a lodger.i do thank you.julie.
Title: Re: mystery ann e
Post by: ec on Tuesday 14 June 05 14:26 BST (UK)
Hi Julie

Some guesses for you.

John (b1858) married Ann/Elizabeth most likely in Co. Durham - although she is originally from Shropshire he is already in Durham in 1871 (with his parents).  I guess you are looking for an Ann/Elizabeth born Shropshire who was also in Co.Durham by 1876 when Margaret (oldest child) was born.

John (b1818) married to Mary (b1817).  I am guessing this is a second marriage for one or more possibly both of them.  Their oldest child in 1871 was born 1856 (William) this would have meant they were in their late 30's before having children - I can't find them together in 1861 and I can't find either William or Benjamen (Leighton) in 1861 either.

This is John (b1818) and Mary with the other brothers and sisters of John (b1858) in the 1881 census

John LEIGHTON   Head   M   Male   66   Holy Well, Flint, Wales   Coal Miner     
Mary LEIGHTON   Wife   M   Female   60   Flint, Flint, Wales       
Benjamin LEIGHTON   Son   U   Male   20   Bagillt, Flint, Wales   Coal Miner     
Stephen LEIGHTON   Son   U   Male   18   Bagillt, Flint, Wales   Coal Miner     
Margaret DAVIS   G Daur   U   Female   17   Brandon, Durham, England       
Joseph LEIGHTON   Boarder   M   Male   34   Bagillt, Flint, Wales   Coal Miner     
Robert LEIGHTON   Nephew   U   Male   21   Holywell, Flint, Wales   Coal Miner     
Samuel ATKINSON   Boarder   U   Male   23   Wigan, Lancashire, England   Coal Miner     

Windlestone Colliery Cottage  Chilton, Durham, England
 
RG11 4903 / 20 page 33

You will note that they have a 17 year old grand daughter - nearly as old as their children, so they obviously (between them) have older children.

I will have another look
Title: Re: mystery ann e
Post by: ec on Tuesday 14 June 05 16:16 BST (UK)
Hi Julia

I am pretty sure this is your mysterious Ann E

Anne E CADWALLENDER - shows as married John LEIGHTON 1875 in Durham


Marriage DEC QTR 1875 Durham 10a 560
CADWALLENDER  Ann Elizabeth     
LEIGHTON  John   

This marriage also shows on the Durham records index as definitely the two that married each other

http://www.durham.gov.uk/gro/newgro.nsf/search?open&C0425009140614062005$

I have also found her with her family in 1871, in Wombridge Shropshire



RG10/2810 Folio 26 page 45
RD Wellington
SubRD  Wombridge
ED   4
Civil Parish Wombridge 
Ecclesiastical parish Oakengates 
Town Oakengates 


Thomas Cadwallader b 1821  Wombridge, Shropshire Head  Coal Miner
Margaret Cadwallader b 1825  Wombridge, Shropshire Wife 
Enoch Cadwallader b 1847  Wombridge, Shropshire Son     
John Cadwallader b1848  Wombridge, Shropshire Son 
Isabella Cadwallader b 1852  Wombridge, Shropshire Dau 
Ann Elizabeth Cadwallader b1857  Wombridge, Shropshire Dau 
Eliza Cadwallader b 1860  Wombridge, Shropshire Dau   
Rosannah Cadwallader b1862  Wombridge, Shropshire Dau 
Thomas Cadwallader b 1864  Wombridge, Shropshire Son 
William Cadwallader b 1866  Wombridge, Shropshire Son 

The street address is Ketley Bank

There are a number of CADWALLENDER/CADWALLADER family members in the Durham area by 1881 giving place of birth as Ketley/Kelly Bank so it looks like they all moved up there.  Also she names one of her children Enoch.....

Hope this helps
 
Title: Re: mystery ann e
Post by: Sisterjane on Tuesday 14 June 05 17:46 BST (UK)
Hi all, Here is the link for Julies other post that i did this morning for the same family in 1891/1901

http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,65634.msg267461.html#msg267461
Joe
Title: Re: mystery ann e
Post by: alnat on Monday 20 June 05 20:46 BST (UK)
Here's Ann Elizabeth's father in 1841 Census with his family

John 45 miner, Mary 45, THOMAS 20 miner, Samuel 12 miner, John 9, Robert 5. Address is Ketley Bank.

They were the only family in Wellington area with that surname so it's quite possible that the other families found later in Durham could be Thomas' brothers relations.
Title: Re: mystery ann e
Post by: wolliter on Thursday 01 March 18 17:03 GMT (UK)
Hi
Did you cadwallader change their name to waliter/walliter/woliter by any chance  I have a William cadwallader born 1762 married Sarah Luther had awilliam wolleter born 1826 
Thanks karen