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Research in Other Countries => Australia => Topic started by: kerryargent on Friday 16 August 13 06:39 BST (UK)
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I am looking for my grandfather's father and the only listing is on grandfathers birth cert. dated 1896 in the district of Frome, South Australia. any help would be great-fully accepted
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Good morning Kerry and welcome to Rootschat
http://en.geneanet.org/search/?name=schmidt&place=australia&ressource=arbre
16 trees for Schmidt on the above site in Australia ...register for free and then have a look for Herman Henry and see if he is in any of the trees -
this one tree is substantial
http://gw.geneanet.org/annettec?lang=en&v=SCHMIDT&m=N
do you recognise anyone in this tree ?
if so ,let me know and I will message you and pass over their email address
good luck
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There is a Hermann Heinrich Schmidt born in 1871 in South Australia http://www.genealogysa.org.au/
(but the site is not behaving currently :( ). From memory (who am I kidding ;D) the father was Johann Schmidt and mother was Mathilde Zimmerman.
This site about blacksmiths http://blacksmiths.mygenwebs.com/australia-1.php suggests that this man married Louisa Mary Baker in 1898 (so not quite a match for the birth of your 1896 grandfather ... ??? ) . However it does tell us that he became known as Herman Henry Smith.
The 1898 marriage notices refer to him as Herman Henry Schmidt, youngest son of Mr G Schmidt of Whyte-Yarcowie http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article29431163 and http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article87790049
Well it isn't looking very promising but it may help to exclude a possibility
regards,
Ros
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May be an illegitimate birth.
SCHMIDT Horace Rolan
5 Nov 1896
Father Herman Henry SCHMIDT Mother Florence Isabel Grace GARRETT
At Quorn Fro X 593/476
GARRETT Horace Rolan
5 Nov 1896-11-05
Father Herman Henry SCHMIDT Mother Florence Isabel Grace GARRETT
At Quorn Fro X 593/476
X. Cross referenced Registration. Major Spelling Variation between Registar and Informant. Confusion butween given and surnames and ambiguity of which parents surname is to be used for the child.
Birth
SCHMIDT Hermann Heinrich
11 Mar 1871
Father Johann George SCHMIDT Mother Mathilde ZIMMERMANN
At Blumberg Tal 95/320
Ros I'm having internet problems with the display on TROVE.
Who did Herman marry in this announcement and I'll check his age. I can't see it so far on the indexes.
Cando
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Hi Cando,
It was a marriage to Louisa Mary Baker (Louie)
MARRIAGES.
SCHMIDT — BAKER. —On the 28th December,
1898, at the residence of the bride's parents, by
the Rev. J. D. Langsford, Herman Henry,
youngest son of Mr. G. Schmidt, of Whyte-
Yarcowie, to Louisa Mary (Louie), eldest daughter
of Mr. W. H Baker, Broken Hill, late of Burra.
Hmm all internet connections are a bit flakey for me at the moment
cheers,
Ros
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Kerry
I think you will find H H SCHMIDT was registered at birth and death as Hermann Adolph but may have also had Heinrich (Henry) as another middle name since his father was named Heinrich. Mother was named Anna KILIAN.
Hermann * SCHMIDT was born 2 Dec 1872 at Stockwell in the Angaston district. Reg #119/332
The SCHMIDT family moved from Stockwell to Quorn in the 1880s.
Some interesting details of his life at the bottom of this page.
http://www.southaustralianhistory.com.au/gordon.htm
His Obituary.
The Advertiser (Adelaide, SA : 1931 - 1954) Friday 7 September 1945
Mr. Hermann Schmidt, who died recently at his home at Gordon (NSW) at the age of 71, was well known for many years in the northern areas of South Australia and the Broken Hill district, where at different times he was a boundary rider, shearer, colt breaker, athlete, mail driver, scalper, publican, race horse owner and trainer. He twice crossed the continent from Adelaide to Darwin with saddle and packhorse. During his horse training days he bred Valour, Lord French, Pastoral, Lady French, French King, Lady Gordon and Zaika, among others. After driving the Innaminka mail for a number of years for the late Mr. Oakes, of Merty Merty Station, Mr. Schmidt purchased the Innamincka Hotel. Later he was in business at the Lyndhurst, Wilson and Gordon Hotels. After spending about two years in Adelaide he returned to Gordon, with his wife, son and daughter a few years ago.
(Gordon was not in NSW)
Hermann married Evelyn TURVEY on 28 Jun 1913 in Adelaide. The TURVEY family were resident in the Frome district for some years.
A daughter, Hazel Victoria Evelyn SCHMIDT born at Gawler 17 Jan 1911
Married Jack Vincent FARGHER on 10 Jul 1931 at Quorn.
A son, Rounsevelle Herman Heinerig SCHMIDT born at Goodwood 7 Jul 1917
Hermann Adolph SCHMIDT recorded age 71y died 9 Jul 1945 at Gordon.
Evelyn SCHMIDT recorded age 81y of Quorn died 3 Oct 1962
Both are buried at Quorn
Essie
ADDED:
Hermann's middle name was given as Heinerig on his marriage record and on the birth record of his son.
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I am looking for my grandfather's father and the only listing is on grandfathers birth cert. dated 1896 in the district of Frome, South Australia. any help would be great-fully accepted
What is your grandfather's name please?
Is this his birth?
SCHMIDT Horace Rolan
5 Nov 1896
Father Herman Henry SCHMIDT Mother Florence Isabel Grace GARRETT
At Quorn Fro X 593/476
GARRETT Horace Rolan
5 Nov 1896-11-05
Father Herman Henry SCHMIDT Mother Florence Isabel Grace GARRETT
At Quorn Fro X 593/476
X. Cross referenced Registration. Major Spelling Variation between Registrar and Informant. Confusion butween given and surnames and ambiguity of which parents surname is to be used for the child.
Cando
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thanks for the reply my grandfather was Horace Rolan Schmidt born 5/11/1896 but changed his name to Rolan Horace Argent as his mother married George Spencer Argent
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Hi Cando,
It was a marriage to Louisa Mary Baker (Louie)
MARRIAGES.
SCHMIDT — BAKER. —On the 28th December,
1898, at the residence of the bride's parents, by
the Rev. J. D. Langsford, Herman Henry,
youngest son of Mr. G. Schmidt, of Whyte-
Yarcowie, to Louisa Mary (Louie), eldest daughter
of Mr. W. H Baker, Broken Hill, late of Burra.
Hmm all internet connections are a bit flakey for me at the moment
cheers,
Ros
So this may be a half-sibling to Horace ;D
Birth
REG 29123 Yr 1899 SCHMIDT Dorothy V
Father HERMAN H
Mother LOUISA M
At BROKEN HILL
Sue
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Thanks Sue...and with father [Johan] George sounds a likely candidate.
Can you see a marriage or death for Rolan?
My ISP has slowed my internet speed as I've exceeded my monthly allowance. NSW bdm just sits when loading and can't bring up Ancestry's bdm's at all BUT rootschat still loads reasonably quickly :D. Back to full speed midnight tonight.
Cheers
Cando
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The marriage took place in Broken Hill...can't access the registration number at the moment.
1898
SCHMIDT Herman H
BAKER Louise M
District Broken Hill
Cando
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Thanks Sue...and with father [Johan] George sounds a likely candidate.
Can you see a marriage or death for Rolan?
My ISP has slowed my internet speed as I've exceeded my monthly allowance. NSW bdm just sits when loading and can't bring up Ancestry's bdm's at all BUT rootschat still loads reasonably quickly :D. Back to full speed midnight tonight.
Cheers
Cando
No, but there is a digitised WW1 service record for him.
Contains letters and addresses of interest.
He had his share of illness and hospital stays!
Without sighting a death it is only speculation that this is actually the daughter of Herman and Louisa SCHMIDT, but it may be-
Marriage-
Reg 12643 IN 1927 BRADY Victor W L
to SCHMIDT Dorothy V
At Leeton
The couple were divorced by 1947.
Her full name Dorothy Victoria Schmidt .
Divorce papers Dorothy Victoria Brady - Victor William Laurence Brady
Date range:
1945 to 1947
Item Number Or Control Symbol: 5247/1945
Divorce papers Dorothy Victoria Brady - Victor William Laurence Brady
Effect- Open
Location Western Sydney Records Centre, Kingswood
There are Electoral Roll listings for her from 1930 to 1980
Sue
ADDING this is the NSW marriage reg number you mention, Cando.
7538
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Horace Rolan Schmdit (Rolan Horace Argent) was born 5th November 1896 @ Quorn SA, he married Dora Rose Moss in 1921, Moved to Tasmania in 1929 and died in Hobart in 1970
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So, Kerry, It seems you have Rolan well-mapped ;D
What were you wanting to find out about his father in particular (apart from what we have given to date)?
Sue
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A little about Rolan's divorce in Tasmania
http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article69275465
http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article26742872
http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article52795471
regards,
Ros
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They Anglicised SCHMIDT to SMITH and Herman to Herbert. The names of their parents match.
Death
SMITH Louisa Mary 89 years
Father William Mother Matilda
District Perth 1965 Reg#2632
Dau of W H BAKER on marriage notice.
Birth
BAKER Louisa Mary
30 Dec 1875
Father William Henry BAKER Mother Matilda WALL
At Booborowie Bur 160/21
Death
SMITH Herbert Henry 99 years
Father Johann G Mother Matilda
District Perth 1970 Reg#3260
Birth
SCHMIDT Hermann Heinrich
11 Mar 1871
Father Johann George SCHMIDT Mother Mathilde ZIMMERMANN
At Blumberg Tal 95/320
Cando
They are both buried at the same location at Karrakatta Cemetery
http://www2.mcb.wa.gov.au/NameSearch/search.php
They are on WA Electoral Roll in 1936 but I can't bring up a clear image today.
Cando
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Herman/Herbert's siblings
SCHMIDT Theodor George
4 Feb 1861
Father George SCHMIDT Mother Mathilde ZIMMERMANN
At Blumberg Tal 22/539
SCHMIDT Louise Auguste Mathilde
18 Nov 1862
Father George SCHMIDT Mother Mathilde BIMMERMANN
At Blumberg Tal 25/528
SCHMIDT Gustav Adolph
3 Nov 1864
Father George SCHMIDT Mother Mathilde ZIMMERMANN
At Blumberg Tal 34/257
SCHMIDT Eduard Alexander
18 Apr 1867
Father Georg SCHMIDT Mother Mathilde Auguste ZIMMERMANN
At Blumberg Tal 53/89
Cando
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And parent's marriage
SCHMIDT George 36 years Status not recorded Father Johann SCHMIDT
ZIMMERMANN Mathilde 33 years Status not recorded Father Freidrich ZIMMERMANN
15 Apr 1860
At the residence of Adolph Zimmermann, Lyndoch Valley BaW 42/167
Cando
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Births in WA
SCHMIDT Glenville Baker Parents Herman Henry & Baker Louisa Mary at BROWN HILL. 499 Yr1904
SCHMIDT Harold Mervyn Parents Herman Henry & Baker Louisa Mary at E COOLGARDIE. 1363 Yr 1901
Sue
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Births in WA
SCHMIDT Glenville Baker Parents Herman Henry & Baker Louisa Mary at BROWN HILL. 499 Yr1904
Sue
Burial record for Glenville
http://www2.mcb.wa.gov.au/NameSearch/details.php?id=KC00102997
Cando
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And
Harold Mervyn [three on the indexes but think this would his his]
http://www2.mcb.wa.gov.au/NameSearch/details.php?id=KC00102997
So you have Herman's birth, parents, parent's marriage, siblings, marriage, death, place of burial, and chn. Not much more unless there are some news items/personal notices on TROVE and I can't search that today.
Cando
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thank you for your assistance
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Do you think we have found the correct Herman?
Have we helped you with your grandfather's information at all?
A little bit of feedback would be appreciated.
Cheers
Cando
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Hi Kerry,
I hope you will not mind that I venture to say you are perhaps rather new to family history research :D
We all started somewhere in our searches and learnt as we went along.
One of the most valuable things you can do for those who come after, in order that they may appreciate your family tree work, is to ensure it is as accurate as possible. This will never be the case unless you have sighted original documentation for every entry possible.
The work done here for you on this thread is unsubstantiated by documentation and therefore open to error. So the next step is up to you. Otherwise sadly, what you construct may be absolute rubbish!
Perhaps you will have a chance to pop back in at some time soon and tell us what further you have discovered.
Sue
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Wondering where you got to with your search. I am a great grand daughter of Herman Heinrich Schmidt/Smith born 1871 and married to Louisa Baker.